In a message dated 31/12/2011 22:01:17 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dear List Members, Could someone one be christened with the father's surname when their parents weren't married yet? Please, this is my dilemma. Yes, sometimes. I have met christenings and birth certificates in my 40 years of genealogy. Usually the mother's name is used but not infrequently both mother's and father's in a double barrelled form and occasionally just the father's. I suspect that the parents may have been living together without being married and the officiating minister may have been unaware of this

[email protected] On 31-Dec-11, at 4:18 PM, Yvonne Peberdy wrote: > Hello List > > I have lost the latest email address for June Fleetwood of Bradford > in England so June if you read this post can you contact me with > your current email please. > > Yvonne Peberdy > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hello Again from New Zealand   I would be grateful if someone is able to sort out a problem of two William ROYCEs both born, according to the censuses in Sewstern (I think but can't check as I don't have access to Ancestry) and both registered in the June Q 1849 as below.   Births Jun 1849 (>99%) ________________________________ Royce William Oakham 15 755   Royce William Melton Mowbray 15 232 I believe one is the son of Joseph ROYCE and Susannah BURROUGHS, both born in Sewstern and living there in 1851. The other being the son of Mark ROYCE and Elizabeth SELBY, he of Buckminster and she of Sewstern and living in Sewstern in 1851 also.   Sewstern and Buckminster are both in the Melton Reg Dist so who is whose son?   Further one of the boys married Emma CUTTS in the Chesterfield Reg Dist in the Mar Q 1872; again, which one?   Any help gratefully received.  I am going to try the Derby list too.   As they are only small twigs from my wife's CHATTERLEY family tree, her grandmother was a ROYCE, I am not willing to purchase the certificates!!  I would need to win "Lotto" to buy all the certificates to clear my twiggy brick walls!!   Mike [email protected]

Dear List Members, Could someone one be christened with the father's surname when their parents weren't married yet? Please, this is my dilemma. John Wills & Ann Hill appeared to have been married 17 Feb 1824 in Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England. Ann was born calculated 1802 in Kirkby Mallory, Leicestershire, according to the 1851 census (residence: Edgbaston, Warwick, England; Source information: HO107/2049, Registration district: Kings Norton, Sub-registration district: Edgbaston, ED: 2e, Folio: 192, Page: 10, Household schedule number: 38) I couldn't find Ann Hill's christening on familysearch, but I did find a Sarah Wills, chr. 28 Dec 1823 in Kirkby Mallory, Leicester, parents: John & Ann Wills. According the New York passenger list (arrival date: 16 Sep 1851, ship: Jersey) they had a daughter Sarah Wills, born calculated 1823 (but she was not with them on the 1841 or 1851 censuses). (The rest of the children were christened in St. Phillips, Birmingham.) If this is indeed their daughter she would have been christened 1 month 20 days before they were married, but I would think she would have the mother's name for a surname. Could the parents have gotten married two different times? Hopefully the answer lies in the Kirkby Mallory Bishop's Transcript. Thank you, Celia ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4eff85642deac713eb2st02vuc

Hi, The IGI record in Family Search (hopefully correct, but not always!) shows the following : William Royce married Emma Cutts on 24th March 1872 in Bolsover, Derbys. His father shown as Joseph Royce. Hope that helps. Regards, Marianne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Wells Sent: 31 December 2011 03:49 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [LEI] Another ROYCE problem!! Hello Again from New Zealand   I would be grateful if someone is able to sort out a problem of two William ROYCEs both born, according to the censuses in Sewstern (I think but can't check as I don't have access to Ancestry) and both registered in the June Q 1849 as below.   Births Jun 1849 (>99%) ________________________________ Royce William Oakham 15 755   Royce William Melton Mowbray 15 232 I believe one is the son of Joseph ROYCE and Susannah BURROUGHS, both born in Sewstern and living there in 1851. The other being the son of Mark ROYCE and Elizabeth SELBY, he of Buckminster and she of Sewstern and living in Sewstern in 1851 also.   Sewstern and Buckminster are both in the Melton Reg Dist so who is whose son?   Further one of the boys married Emma CUTTS in the Chesterfield Reg Dist in the Mar Q 1872; again, which one?   Any help gratefully received.  I am going to try the Derby list too.   As they are only small twigs from my wife's CHATTERLEY family tree, her grandmother was a ROYCE, I am not willing to purchase the certificates!!  I would need to win "Lotto" to buy all the certificates to clear my twiggy brick walls!!   Mike [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My reply was in response to this request: Hello List I am getting a Mac computer and if anyone out there uses FTM for the Mac I would be interested to know if you are happy with its performance. Thank you for your help. Marilyn in Oregon USA Happy New Year to all. Jeanette

Hello Again from New Zealand ? I would be grateful if someone is able to sort out a problem of two William ROYCEs both born, according to the censuses in Sewstern?(I think but can't check as I don't have access to Ancestry)?and both registered in the June Q 1849 as below. ? Births Jun 1849 (>99%) ________________________________ Royce William Oakham 15 755 ? Royce William Melton Mowbray 15 232 I believe one is the son of Joseph ROYCE and Susannah BURROUGHS, both born in Sewstern and living there in 1851. The other being the son of Mark ROYCE and Elizabeth SELBY, he of Buckminster and she of Sewstern and living in Sewstern in 1851 also. ? Sewstern and Buckminster are both in the Melton Reg Dist so?who is whose son? ? Further one of the boys married Emma CUTTS in the?Chesterfield Reg Dist in the Mar Q 1872; again, which one? ? Any help gratefully received.? I am going to try the Derby list too. ? As they are only small twigs from my wife's CHATTERLEY family tree, her grandmother was a ROYCE, I am not willing to purchase the certificates!!? I would need to win "Lotto" to buy all the certificates to clear my twiggy brick walls!! ? Mike Information sent off line.

I have an iMac with OS X 10.6.8 and I use all of these: iFamily and MacFamilyTree and Reunion 9. They all have their charms, but if I had to choose only one it would be the MacFamily Tree for the brilliant three dimensional graphics it produces! Reunion 9 is a very conservatively presented system which is easy to use. Good luck. Jeanette

Hi Jeanette Not sure what post you are replying to as you haven't included a part of it Thought I would mention that the latest FTM 2012 for Mac is due for release on the 11th January If anyone wants price etc let me know Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have an iMac with OS X 10.6.8 and I use all of these: iFamily and MacFamilyTree and Reunion 9. > > They all have their charms, but if I had to choose only one it would be the MacFamily Tree for the > brilliant three dimensional graphics it produces! > Reunion 9 is a very conservatively presented system which is easy to use. > > Good luck. > > > Jeanette

Hello List I am getting a Mac computer and if anyone out there uses FTM for the Mac I would be interested to know if you are happy with its performance. Thank you for your help. Marilyn in Oregon USA

I found this site on the Staffordshire site.I checked it out and it is very interesting.Maybe some of the readers would like to check it out. Regards Terry Ratcliffe ---------------------------- I would like to introduce you to:- http://www.biblerecords.com ... both to receive and to give. ------------------------------ ********************************************* -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 149 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Terry What appears to be your John KELHAM was a soldier in the 44th Regt of Foot He appears in Colchester in 1861 as follows on Ancestry 1861 England Census about John William (KELHAM on page and correction added) Name: John William Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Gender: Male Where born: Stanton On Bardue, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Colchester St Botolph County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: Colchester Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward ED, institution, or vessel: Colchester Infantry Barracks Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 1097 Folio: 157 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age <snip> John William 19 <snip> RG9; Piece: 1097; Folio: 157; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542753. His service record of six pages can be found on Findmypast He appears in their index as John KELHAM b1842 Loughborough "Manton on Burton" (it does say Manton on Burdin on the page which suggests the scribe did not recognise the place name) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) I went to school with a KELHAM , not the commonest of names is it > Dear List > > I was wondering if anyone could suggest any solutions to my problem below. > > On the 1851 census for Stanton Under Bardon Leicestershire I have a John Kelham aged 62 (born 24 > Jul 1788) there is also a John Kelham grandson aged 8. On the FreeBMD web site the only one that > comes up is a John Kelm born about 1843 in the Mkt Bosworth district. I am unable to locate this > mysterious grandson again and have no idea where he comes from or who he belongs to. Any help or > suggestions most welcome. > > > > Regards Terry Kelham

Hi Terry, According to Family Search (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7H7-MQK), he appears to be in Colchester in 1861. I can't find the record on Ancestry but if someone can check Find My Past, it may turn up there. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Kelham Sent: 28 December 2011 17:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] -Help Please Dear List I was wondering if anyone could suggest any solutions to my problem below. On the 1851 census for Stanton Under Bardon Leicestershire I have a John Kelham aged 62 (born 24 Jul 1788) there is also a John Kelham grandson aged 8. On the FreeBMD web site the only one that comes up is a John Kelm born about 1843 in the Mkt Bosworth district. I am unable to locate this mysterious grandson again and have no idea where he comes from or who he belongs to. Any help or suggestions most welcome. Regards Terry Kelham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe he passed away which is why you can't spot him again Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%) Kelham John Market Bosworth 7a 50 Might be best to get the birth cert Good Luck Antony Lambert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Kelham Sent: 28 December 2011 17:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] -Help Please Dear List I was wondering if anyone could suggest any solutions to my problem below. On the 1851 census for Stanton Under Bardon Leicestershire I have a John Kelham aged 62 (born 24 Jul 1788) there is also a John Kelham grandson aged 8. On the FreeBMD web site the only one that comes up is a John Kelm born about 1843 in the Mkt Bosworth district. I am unable to locate this mysterious grandson again and have no idea where he comes from or who he belongs to. Any help or suggestions most welcome. Regards Terry Kelham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List I was wondering if anyone could suggest any solutions to my problem below. On the 1851 census for Stanton Under Bardon Leicestershire I have a John Kelham aged 62 (born 24 Jul 1788) there is also a John Kelham grandson aged 8. On the FreeBMD web site the only one that comes up is a John Kelm born about 1843 in the Mkt Bosworth district. I am unable to locate this mysterious grandson again and have no idea where he comes from or who he belongs to. Any help or suggestions most welcome. Regards Terry Kelham

I have ROYSE/ROYCE from the Castleton area in Derbyshire. Have found both spellings but mostly with an 's'. They married into our SLACK family. Do any of yours originate from Castleton? Sue Woodcock Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:02 AM Subject: [LEI] ROYCE 1780+ Exton etc Hello from NZ again Looking for more ROYCE information. Is anyone able to send me any information about the families of the following, please? Marriages, children and so on? Mark ROYCE b 1764; Exton Rutland Edward ROYCE b 1766; Exton, Rutland. Mike Kawerau 3127 [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello from NZ again   Looking for more ROYCE information.   Is anyone able to send me any information about the families of the following, please?  Marriages, children and so on?   Mark ROYCE b 1764; Exton Rutland Edward ROYCE b 1766; Exton, Rutland. Mike Kawerau 3127 [email protected]

The October 16 1710 poll taken in Rutland shows William ROYCE Allen ROYCE both showing freeholds in Wing jim On 20-Dec-11, at 10:02 AM, Michael Wells wrote: > Hello from NZ again > > Looking for more ROYCE information. > > Is anyone able to send me any information about the families of the > following, please? Marriages, children and so on? > > Mark ROYCE b 1764; Exton Rutland > Edward ROYCE b 1766; Exton, Rutland. > > Mike > Kawerau 3127 > > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Hi Judy I use familysearch (both sites) virtually every day and have not seen a different home page for a few weeks since they introduced the latest one with the search boxes under the names But they do have a history of changes being added without warning, perhaps the one you saw was a trial and may be in the pipeline to be rolled out at some point I can't see a mention of it anywhere even on the fs blogs but thats not to say its not going to happen :-) Since its inception it has got better over time and no doubt will continue to do so Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hi Lin, The page I was talking about was the newest search page (3rd version of the search page) on New Family Seach, we all had the white page then it was changed to another white one with various options below the search boxes. For some reason only some people had the latest 3rd version which was dark grey with photos on it, it seemed to be a worldwide searchpage as it listed the 3 latest worldwide databases added to the site aongst other things. Presumably which search page you got depended on which browser and operating was being used.However saying all this the super duper grey page has disappeared and I seem to have gone back to the second version which is the one Nivard has given you the link for. I think the databases have stayed the same throughout. Judy

Hi Lin, The page I was talking about was the newest search page (3rd version of the search page) on New Family Seach, we all had the white page then it was changed to another white one with various options below the search boxes. For some reason only some people had the latest 3rd version which was dark grey with photos on it, it seemed to be a worldwide searchpage as it listed the 3 latest worldwide databases added to the site aongst other things. Presumably which search page you got depended on which browser and operating was being used.However saying all this the super duper grey page has disappeared and I seem to have gone back to the second version which is the one Nivard has given you the link for. I think the databases have stayed the same throughout. Judy From: Linda Chapman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011, 4:08 Subject: Re: [LEI] New familysearch website hi Judy can you please tell me what the website address is for the new version thanks lin On 8 December 2011 08:24, Judy Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > You need "eagle eyes" for this latest version of Family Search! They seem > to have released this new version gradually over to last 2 weeks and I've > been exploring it for about a week. As you say the home page only has name > boxes BUT if you look just below these boxes you will see in white writing > "more search options", click on this and you can put your place names in. > Judy > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message