Hi Dennis, Many many thanks for the information. The address of 106 Willow Brook Road confirms things, as this is the address in the school records of 1914 when Eliza Pawley was listed as guardian to Annie Bradshaw. Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dennis jackson" To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? The 1911 transcript on findmypast shows the same names RG14 / 19261 / schedule 284 106 Willow Brook Road Leicester DAWLEY, Eliza Head Widow F 54 1857 Neadelwork At Home Banbury Oxon DAWLEY, Sarah Daughter F 26 1885 Boot Machinist Leicester Leicestershire DAWLEY, Madel Daughter F 20 1891 Hosery Ternetts Machine Leicester Leicestershire BEADSHAIN, Anne Lodger F 11 1900 School Leicester Leicestershire Having looked at the image it certainly looks like "D" at the beginning of the surname. Although the "D" in Daughter is a completely different shape letter. Likewise, it looks like Beadshain ... it's difficult to read Bradshaw. One thing not included in the transcript (and crossed out by the enumerator) is that the columns for number of children have been filled in. These show total children = 5 and children alive = 5. on 20/2/12 11:30 -0800, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:30:48 -0800 > From: Paul Roberts <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? > To: Leicestershire <[email protected]> > > Hi Derek, > > I don't have access to the 1911 census of England. I use the online > index at: http://www.1911census.co.uk > > However, I do have a little trick for assembling a household, knowing > where one person was. I did that for your Eliza DAWLEY and Anne > BEADSHAIN and came up with the following household: > > *Schedule type* *Last names* *First names* *Sex* *Birth year* *Age > in 1911* *District / other* *County / other* > HOUSEHOLD BEADSHAIN ANNE F 1900 11 Leicester Leicestershire > HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY ELIZA F 1857 54 Leicester Leicestershire > HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY MADEL F 1891 20 Leicester Leicestershire > HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY SARAH F 1885 26 Leicester Leicestershire > > I think you can be pretty sure that these are your PAWLEYs because of > the following two birth registrations that match the daughters in the > above census: > > Births Sep 1891 (>99%) > Pawley Mabel Leicester 7a 243 > > Births Jun 1885 (>99%) > Pawley Sarah Leicester 7a 266 > > There are no corresponding birth registrations for DAWLEYs. > > Even more convincing is the 1901 census which shows the same individuals > (except Annie, of course): > > William Pawley 45 Bricklayers Labourer Wigston Leicestershire > Eliza Pawley 44 Banbury Oxfordshire > Ernest Pawley 20 Shoemaker Heel Attacher Leicester > William Pawley 17 Bricklayers Labourer Leicester > Sarah Pawley 15 Shoe Machinist Leicester > Percy Pawley 12 Leicester > Mabel Pawley 9 Leicester > > And, the clincher: if you go back to the household from the 1911 census > and plug in "Banbury" as the place of birth, up pops Eliza DAWLEY! > > Hope that helps. > Paul

We like an alternative don't we <g> >From Ancestry 1911 England Census about Eliza Rawley Name: Eliza Rawley Age in 1911: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Leicester County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street Address: 106 Willow Brook Road Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: Neadelwork At Home Registration district: Leicester Registration District Number: 407 Sub-registration district: North East Leicester ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Piece: 19261 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Rawley 54 Sarh Rawley 26 Mabel Rawley 20 Anne Beadshaw 11 RG14; Piece: 19261. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The 1911 transcript on findmypast shows the same names > > RG14 / 19261 / schedule 284 > 106 Willow Brook Road Leicester > DAWLEY, Eliza Head Widow F 54 1857 Neadelwork At Home Banbury Oxon > DAWLEY, Sarah Daughter F 26 1885 Boot Machinist Leicester Leicestershire > DAWLEY, Madel Daughter F 20 1891 Hosery Ternetts Machine Leicester > Leicestershire > BEADSHAIN, Anne Lodger F 11 1900 School Leicester Leicestershire > > Having looked at the image it certainly looks like "D" at the beginning of > the surname. Although the "D" in Daughter is a completely different shape > letter. Likewise, it looks like Beadshain ... it's difficult to read > Bradshaw. > > One thing not included in the transcript (and crossed out by the enumerator) > is that the columns for number of children have been filled in. These show > total children = 5 and children alive = 5. >

BBC RADIO 4 is on the internet so anyone anywhere can listen in regards Terry > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:30:17 +0000 > Subject: [LEI] It's that pie again ! > > For UK listeners who can pick up BBC Radio4 : They'll be in Melton Mowbray > in a programme at 3pm today chatting with the locals about pork pies, > Stilton cheese and, since it's Shrove Tuesday, pancakes. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01c7pqn > > Jill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1911 transcript on findmypast shows the same names RG14 / 19261 / schedule 284 106 Willow Brook Road Leicester DAWLEY, Eliza Head Widow F 54 1857 Neadelwork At Home Banbury Oxon DAWLEY, Sarah Daughter F 26 1885 Boot Machinist Leicester Leicestershire DAWLEY, Madel Daughter F 20 1891 Hosery Ternetts Machine Leicester Leicestershire BEADSHAIN, Anne Lodger F 11 1900 School Leicester Leicestershire Having looked at the image it certainly looks like "D" at the beginning of the surname. Although the "D" in Daughter is a completely different shape letter. Likewise, it looks like Beadshain ... it's difficult to read Bradshaw. One thing not included in the transcript (and crossed out by the enumerator) is that the columns for number of children have been filled in. These show total children = 5 and children alive = 5. on 20/2/12 11:30 -0800, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:30:48 -0800 > From: Paul Roberts <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? > To: Leicestershire <[email protected]> > > Hi Derek, > > I don't have access to the 1911 census of England. I use the online > index at: http://www.1911census.co.uk > > However, I do have a little trick for assembling a household, knowing > where one person was. I did that for your Eliza DAWLEY and Anne > BEADSHAIN and came up with the following household: > > *Schedule type* *Last names* *First names* *Sex* *Birth year* *Age > in 1911* *District / other* *County / other* > HOUSEHOLD BEADSHAIN ANNE F 1900 11 Leicester Leicestershire > HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY ELIZA F 1857 54 Leicester Leicestershire > HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY MADEL F 1891 20 Leicester Leicestershire > HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY SARAH F 1885 26 Leicester Leicestershire > > I think you can be pretty sure that these are your PAWLEYs because of > the following two birth registrations that match the daughters in the > above census: > > Births Sep 1891 (>99%) > Pawley Mabel Leicester 7a 243 > > Births Jun 1885 (>99%) > Pawley Sarah Leicester 7a 266 > > There are no corresponding birth registrations for DAWLEYs. > > Even more convincing is the 1901 census which shows the same individuals > (except Annie, of course): > > William Pawley 45 Bricklayers Labourer Wigston Leicestershire > Eliza Pawley 44 Banbury Oxfordshire > Ernest Pawley 20 Shoemaker Heel Attacher Leicester > William Pawley 17 Bricklayers Labourer Leicester > Sarah Pawley 15 Shoe Machinist Leicester > Percy Pawley 12 Leicester > Mabel Pawley 9 Leicester > > And, the clincher: if you go back to the household from the 1911 census > and plug in "Banbury" as the place of birth, up pops Eliza DAWLEY! > > Hope that helps. > Paul > > On 20/02/2012 8:39 AM, Derek wrote: >> Hi Paul, >> >> I am wondering if you have access to the 1911 census, as I have just >> been doing some digging around (again!) looking for Annie's guardian >> ELIZA PAWLEY and have found an Eliza DAWLEY, age 54, living in >> Leicester and living with her is an ANNE BEADSHAIN, aged 11. >> This looks a definite possibility for Selina's daughter, but I don't >> have full access to the census. Can you help please ? >> >> TIA >> Derek. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Thank you for your response. >> >> I have been helping Gail Durst with her BRADSHAW research for nearly >> 7 years and have exhausted my ideas for trying to find deaths etc. for >> Selina or William, so I thought I would look to the combined knowledge >> of the List for any other avenues to follow. >> >> Incidentally, the postings on the websites you give are both from Gail >> Durst. >> >> Unfortunately the 1911 census that you quote is not Selina's daughter >> - it is for Annie Maria daughter of Deborah Bradshaw, born June Qtr >> 1901. It is possible that Selina's daughter, Annie, is listed under a >> different surname on the 1911 census, as a School Exemption Register >> for July 1914 gives her guardian as Mrs Eliza Pawley, parents not known. >> >> Derek. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul ROberts >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? >> >> >> HI Derek, >> >> Presumably you are aware of Gail Durst who was posting in 2006 and 2009 >> about this mystery. Another person brought to Gail's attention another >> daughter Annie, who was living with Selina in Leicester in 1901 and with >> Deborah Alice MOLLETT (nee BRADSHAW) in Blaby in 1911. >> >> If you go here: >> >> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Family-research/story-12899005-detail/ story.html >> >> you will find Gail's post and her email address. >> >> Also, someone posting here: >> http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498555.msg3553357.html >> claims to have information for all 9 of William and Selina's children. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Paul >> >> >> On 19/02/2012 12:50 PM, Derek wrote: >>> I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily >>> Post giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being >>> sentenced to three years penal servitude. >>> Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve >>> her sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this >>> date. >>> >>> I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent >>> death or marriage record for her. >>> >>> She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester >>> and married WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) >>> at All Saints Leicester on 7 October 1877. >>> >>> Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census >>> after 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 >>> February 1896, when his son was in court for stealing. >>> >>> Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Derek Bradshaw.

One of my paternal lines can be traced back to a William Campion who lived in Loughborough for the first half of the 19th century. He was born c. 1783, married in Loughborough in 1808, and died there in 1848. Campion is an odd surname to trace as it occurs in enclaves across England and Ireland too. There are those that think it is a corruption of a French surname - Champion? - and perhaps is of Huguenot origins. Whatever, this William was recorded on the 1841 census as being born outside of Leicestershire, and my guess, as I cannot trace back further, is that his family moved to Loughborough from Nottingham. His occupation, from various sources, is either recorded as a Machine Smith, Blacksmith, or Whitesmith. Two of his sons, George b. 1813 and William b. 1822 followed on as machine smiths, George remaining in Loughborough, but William moving to the Sneinton area of Nottingham in the 1840s. Following George's death in 1858 in Loughborough, two of his sons William and Henry moved to Nottingham along with sisters Emma and Ada. This William then formed a company with his uncle William in Nottingham as Sewing Machine Manufacturers, employing brother Henry. Another brother, George, also moved to Nottingham as a Frame Smith. The two Williams worked together for a few years before dissolving the partnership. There are dozens and dozens of patents taken out by a William Campion over this period and later, some minor, some major, but it is impossible on many of them to determine exactly which William it was. Yet another instance of our ancestors using the same Christian names, just to confuse future genealogists! The elder William then concentrated more on industrial knitting machines, whereas the younger William opened a factory making home Sewing Machines following him establishing a patent on the Jenny Lind machine. He also visited France and saw the production of bicycles, which led him to start cycle production alongside making Sewing Machines. One of his early employees was a Thomas Humber, who subsequently founded his own cycle works in Beeston, Notts, before expanding into motorised tricycles. He opened a factory in Coventry to produce Motor Cars, which then became The Humber Car Company. Brothers George and Henry both moved from being smiths into the pub trade, with differing outcomes, and incidentally both Williams also ran pubs in later life - a boozy family! But back to Campion Cycles. These proved very popular, and William, now with his eldest son Edwin, developed the company and opened several retail premises in Nottingham, and as far as Mansfield, Ilkeston, Long Eaton and Newark. They also had three branches in Leicester; 12 Welford Place, St. Nicholas Street, and 45 Braunston Gate. The company was now making motor cycles and motor tricycles, and even a small car. But their cars never took off as had the ones of their former worker, Thomas Humber. In researching the Campions, (and I have a lot more detail than I can include here), I wondered what happened to the company, and this is where I found another Leicester connection. The retail side was apparently bought by Curry's in 1927, and this is when I discovered that the firm of Curry's was in fact founded in Leicester, and also started out as a cycle maker and retailer. This is their entry from Wikipedia. Curry's was founded in 1884 by Henry Curry (born in Leicester in 1850), when he started to build bicycles full time in a shed at the back of his garden at 40 Painter Street, Leicester, England. He opened his first shop in 1888 at 271 Belgrave Gate, Leicester. In 1890 he moved to larger premises at 296 Belgrave Gate, then in 1900 to 285-287 Belgrave Gate. The company was put on a proper financial footing in 1897 when Henry formed a partnership with his sons, calling the company H. Curry & Sons. The business continued to grow and floated on the stock exchange in 1927. By this time the shops sold a wide variety of goods including bicycles, toys, radios and gramophones. Curry's pulled out of cycle manufacturing in 1932 when they closed their Leicester factory but continued to retail Hercules bikes (badged as Curry's) until the 1960s. It would appear that Campion continued with making and selling motor cycles as they are listed as such in phone books in Leicester and Nottingham well into the 1930s. Another Leicester connection is that Edwin Campion once owned and lived in Wymeswold Hall. To find partnerships, patents etc which add so much to the meat of Family History when you have ancestors who were in Manufacturing, it is easy to search The London Gazette site for free - www.london-gazette.co.uk Brian Binns Loughborough _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2113/4822 - Release Date: 02/20/12

For UK listeners who can pick up BBC Radio4 : They'll be in Melton Mowbray in a programme at 3pm today chatting with the locals about pork pies, Stilton cheese and, since it's Shrove Tuesday, pancakes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01c7pqn Jill

Have you come across Journal Jars? Google them for detailed info and examples, but basically, they are a jam jar full of slips of paper, each with a question or phrase to prompt a memory. The idea is that you give the jar, with all the slips of paper and a blank notebook as a present. When the recipient has some spare time, they take out a slip of paper, read the question and answer in it the book you gave them. Because they are only answering one question at a time, it is less daunting. However, if they are 'on a roll' they could answer a few at a time. Just remember to ask them periodically how they are getting on and remind them that you would like their book back Hope this helps Heather PS I started prepping some jars for my parents and others of their generation. Unfortunately, Mum and Dad weren't that keen on the idea so I didn't take it any further. However, I'd be happy to share the questions I'd thought of if that would help anyone. On 19/02/2012 18:38, Louis Mills wrote: > It's appropriate to capture these memories. One thing I did to capture some of my mother's memories before her death was to write down some questions and tape record a session with her. My mother was in her 20s when World War II started and lived near Trafalgar Square in London for a few years while serving as a WAAF. > > It was not as easy to do as I had hoped. My mum was showing signs of early Alzheimer's. Her memory of her youth was strong, but she'd quickly forget the questions I had asked. I noticed, too, that her accent thickened the further back we went in time. And she mumbled more. She cried during a lot of it, even when the events were pleasant ones. I was very uncomfortable, but stuck with it. She had been in a teenage dance troupe that toured England, Clifton's Cabaret Kids, an had once been in a show with Louis Armstrong. She remembered him vividly, although she wasn't on the stage at the same time as he. > > My mum took a job in a chocolate shop as a young woman, thinking she'd love to be able to sample the wares they sold. But she said that after a week, she couldn't stand the smell of chocolate any more and left after three weeks. It was years before she could eat chocolate again. > > So I'm recommending everyone on the list find mum or dad or some relative willing to talk about the old times, record them and save it for prosperity. It would be great if you could save it on the Internet in a Portable Document file, maybe with a few photos, but the tape itself will be worth more than gold to you after this person passes on. > > Lou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Heather, My cousin did this for my Aunt's 90th birthday two years ago. However, some of the papers just had memories a family member had of her. (No homework involved unless my aunt wanted to enlarge on someone else's memory.) My Aunt Bette is still very sharp at 92, has always liked reading, word and number puzzles, and her personality could be described as enthusiastic about almost everything. She is still working on her memories. She was supposed to do one a day for a year. (365 pieces of paper takes a bigger jar!) Memories and questions were submitted by the whole extended family regardless of age, and my cousin did some editing so there were no duplicate questions. Sometimes, Aunt Bette did more papers a day because she thought it was fun. Some days she did none. It all worked out in the end. She finished the year and had so much fun with it that she is going back through the jar again this year supplementing her recollections with more information! Our family has greatly benefitted by this remarkable project. --Carolyn, in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Quineys Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] Recording memories/Journal Jars Have you come across Journal Jars? Google them for detailed info and examples, but basically, they are a jam jar full of slips of paper, each with a question or phrase to prompt a memory. The idea is that you give the jar, with all the slips of paper and a blank notebook as a present. When the recipient has some spare time, they take out a slip of paper, read the question and answer in it the book you gave them. Because they are only answering one question at a time, it is less daunting. However, if they are 'on a roll' they could answer a few at a time. Just remember to ask them periodically how they are getting on and remind them that you would like their book back Hope this helps Heather PS I started prepping some jars for my parents and others of their generation. Unfortunately, Mum and Dad weren't that keen on the idea so I didn't take it any further. However, I'd be happy to share the questions I'd thought of if that would help anyone. On 19/02/2012 18:38, Louis Mills wrote: > It's appropriate to capture these memories. One thing I did to capture some of my mother's memories before her death was to write down some questions and tape record a session with her. My mother was in her 20s when World War II started and lived near Trafalgar Square in London for a few years while serving as a WAAF. > > It was not as easy to do as I had hoped. My mum was showing signs of early Alzheimer's. Her memory of her youth was strong, but she'd quickly forget the questions I had asked. I noticed, too, that her accent thickened the further back we went in time. And she mumbled more. She cried during a lot of it, even when the events were pleasant ones. I was very uncomfortable, but stuck with it. She had been in a teenage dance troupe that toured England, Clifton's Cabaret Kids, an had once been in a show with Louis Armstrong. She remembered him vividly, although she wasn't on the stage at the same time as he. > > My mum took a job in a chocolate shop as a young woman, thinking she'd love to be able to sample the wares they sold. But she said that after a week, she couldn't stand the smell of chocolate any more and left after three weeks. It was years before she could eat chocolate again. > > So I'm recommending everyone on the list find mum or dad or some relative willing to talk about the old times, record them and save it for prosperity. It would be great if you could save it on the Internet in a Portable Document file, maybe with a few photos, but the tape itself will be worth more than gold to you after this person passes on. > > Lou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

been following this tread with interest . I have some old reel to reel tapes which contain something of my parents and paternal grandfather but technology has moved on since then so would like to warn you all that make sure that any records move foreward with technology and that if they are sent to any archives they will be updated .I was aware that my maternal grandfather did an interview with Radio Leicester but that it was some years ago about his career on the Great Central Railway from about 1914 to 1960 ish but did mot know where they were anyway one of my daughters found they had been lodged with Leics University and has obtained me a copy . It was strange to hear his voice after all this time - only regret that I had had the skills etc to have done my own research whilst they were all still alive .Have to many recollections of " aunts and uncles" who were not related or for whom we did not have surnames or know their relationships with whom in the family Mick Wilson .

Hi Carolyn As I said I didn't think you were saying that yours was transported Millbank was coming to the end of its life then and stopped having inmates from 1886 I can't see a logical reason why anyone from Leicester would be sent there In fact Millbank was supposed to be a military prison from 1870, borne out by the 1881 census where all appear to be soldiers or military , was he a soldier? If they ended their days in Broadmoor it suggests they had some serious behavioral problems The majority of people clearly had a desire to be in England, despite being sentenced here, at least those born here Plenty of those that were transported also attempted to return, some managed it despite the difficulties The main driver to leave these shores was usually money or the potential of earning/gaining some More left for Australia in some gold rush years than were ever transported there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, Nivard, > No. my relative was not "transported." He actually died in 1896 in > Broadmoor Hospital in England. I did learn that "transporting" ended before > 1883 when I was doing my research on Millbank. I wondered if many Leicester > courts sent their offenders to Millbank. Did judges (or whoever made the > final decision) have discression about where convicted people were sent? > > Derek's request for information just started me imagining that perhaps he > had not yet thought that he should look farther afield for Selina, as at > that point, she might not have been wanting to remain in England. (Penal > servitude--whether the transgression was my fault, or not-- would not make > me feel very "warm and fuzzy" about the country that put me in prison!) > --Carolyn

That could be tricky. As far as I know I'm the oldest surviving member of my family (parents died 36 years ago). If anyone is interested I have recorded a few of my own (mostly WW 2) childhood memories on my web site at http://www.jimella.me.uk/memories.cfm Nothing to do with Leicestershire, though. I grew up in Swindon, Wilts. My Leicestershire ancestors were 16th century, and presumably before that. It's past time I sent some details to this list in case I have distant relatives here or possibly even someone can help me track some ancestors down. I'll try a separate message so the subject matches the content. Jim Fisher On 19 Feb 2012 at 10:38, Louis Mills wrote: > It's appropriate to capture these memories. ---- snip ---- > So I'm recommending everyone on the list find mum or dad or some relative > willing to talk about the old times, record them and save it for > prosperity.  It would be great if you could save it on the Internet in a > Portable Document file, maybe with a few photos, but the tape itself will > be worth more than gold to you after this person passes on. -- My web site is now at http://www.jimella.me.uk Family history, Gardening, Humour, Politics and more ...and blogs at http://jimella.livejournal.com and http://jimella.wordpress.com

My ancestor Humphrey JASPER was curate at Stoke Golding, near Hinckley, from 1607 to 1634 (when he moved with his family to South Cerney, Gloucestershire as vicar). He originated in Guilsfield, Montgomeryshire, but at some point while in Stoke Golding he married Joanne MABELL Does anyone know if there is anywhere on-line I could find a record of the marriage please? Joanne's father was Amias MABELL, who, I understand, was a somewhat notorious character (in trouble with the authorities on two occasions for "fornication"). I would like to find out more about him, especially where and when he was born and where, when and who he married. Any suggestions, please? Jim Fisher -- My web site is now at http://www.jimella.me.uk Family history, Gardening, Humour, Politics and more ...and blogs at http://jimella.livejournal.com and http://jimella.wordpress.com

____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 2/20/2012 3:50:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time Subj: Memories - We, my husband & I have an excellent set of videos, probably now available on DVD, The Award Winning PBS Series on the History of the English Language "The Story of English". Those interested in dialects may find it interesting. Incidentally, my earliest memory is as a two year old. It was the day after Hitler bombed Nottingham - 1942. We lived in a Terrace house on Lowdham Street, Nottingham. The bottom half of the street was totally obliterated. My memory is of my mother giving me a kettle to hold so that we could queue for water. I was puzzled, why was everyone around me crying, everyone is so bad tempered and sad, who were the big men in coats (must have been fireman), where did the big pipes come from (must have been hoses - my mother had to lift me or better still drag me over them). So much water, my feet are wet. I look down, water is lapping over my shoes and I'm cold. Where was all the smoke coming from, what was that smell. And strangely enough, I can still close my eyes and see it all and yet it is all in "black & white" like in the movie Schlider's List! Carole Bell (Wakefield) Colorado. USA

____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 2/20/2012 3:50:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time Subj: Memories - We, my husband & I have an excellent set of videos, probably now available on DVD, The Award Winning PBS Series on the History of the English Language "The Story of English". Those interested in dialects may find it interesting. Incidentally, my earliest memory is as a two year old. It was the day after Hitler bombed Nottingham - 1942. We lived in a Terrace house on Lowdham Street, Nottingham. The bottom half of the street was totally obliterated. My memory is of my mother giving me a kettle to hold so that we could queue for water. I was puzzled, why was everyone around me crying, everyone is so bad tempered and sad, who were the big men in coats (must have been fireman), where did the big pipes come from (must have been hoses - my mother had to lift me or better still drag me over them). So much water, my feet are wet. I look down, water is lapping over my shoes and I'm cold. Where was all the smoke coming from, what was that smell. And strangely enough, I can still close my eyes and see it all and yet it is all in "black & white" like in the movie Schlider's List! Carole Bell (Wakefield) Colorado. USA

Hi Mel, Carolyn & Nivard. Thank you for your suggestions, most of which have been explored over the years but without success - so far !! Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nivard Ovington To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? Hi Carolyn I think its just the way it reads and I don't think you are saying that your 1883 offender was transported, as the last ship to reach Australia with convicts was 1868 For Derek I had checked the outgoing passenger lists for Selina as BRADSHAW - HARCOT - BODYCOT 1 BRADSHAW b1884 leaving 1919 to Canada 1 BODYCOTT b1909 leaving 1923 to Canada nil HARCOT Trouble is she could have died, remarried or left the UK under a false name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Just a wild guess, Derek, but I have a relative who stood trial in > Leicester > in 1883. He was found guilty and sentenced to penal servitude in Millbank > Penitentiary in London. Millbank was the famous prison where people were > relocated to Australia. However, all of that had stopped by the time your > Selina went on trial in 1902. However, if you can't find them in 1911, do > you think it possible that they might have emigrated? --Carolyn, in > Minnesota, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul, Thank you for your response. I have been helping Gail Durst with her BRADSHAW research for nearly 7 years and have exhausted my ideas for trying to find deaths etc. for Selina or William, so I thought I would look to the combined knowledge of the List for any other avenues to follow. Incidentally, the postings on the websites you give are both from Gail Durst. Unfortunately the 1911 census that you quote is not Selina's daughter - it is for Annie Maria daughter of Deborah Bradshaw, born June Qtr 1901. It is possible that Selina's daughter, Annie, is listed under a different surname on the 1911 census, as a School Exemption Register for July 1914 gives her guardian as Mrs Eliza Pawley, parents not known. Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul ROberts To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? HI Derek, Presumably you are aware of Gail Durst who was posting in 2006 and 2009 about this mystery. Another person brought to Gail's attention another daughter Annie, who was living with Selina in Leicester in 1901 and with Deborah Alice MOLLETT (nee BRADSHAW) in Blaby in 1911. If you go here: http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Family-research/story-12899005-detail/story.html you will find Gail's post and her email address. Also, someone posting here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498555.msg3553357.html claims to have information for all 9 of William and Selina's children. Hope that helps. Paul On 19/02/2012 12:50 PM, Derek wrote: > I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily > Post > giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to three > years penal servitude. > Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve her > sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this date. > > I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent > death > or marriage record for her. > > She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and married > WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints > Leicester > on 7 October 1877. > > Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census after > 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February 1896, > when his son was in court for stealing. > > Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much > appreciated. > > Derek Bradshaw. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hear Hear Carolyn well said Margaret On 20/02/2012 14:46, Charles Sidebottom wrote: > Hi, Brian, > I think I was the first to "name" you as the originator of this interesting > discussion going on with the sharing of your letters. The site was pretty > quiet for quite awhile, and your letters sparked a lot of personal memories > of Leicester and surrounding areas that I think have rejuvenated the members > and reminded us all that genealogy is important; but putting our ancestors' > lives in context as much as possible allows us to understand them and the > lives they led more fully. I think the discussion about list members' > personal recollections is marvelous. We are preserving memories before they > are lost to time or physical disability--exactly as it should be. To honor > the past, we need both the technical details from our ancestors's lives and > details about the times and places in which they lived. Thank you for so > gently and eloquently reminding us of that fact. > > My grandfather was born in Hugglescote and grew up there before moving to > Barnsley to follow coal mining opportunities. He emigrated to the USA in > 1883. Being an American, I really have no idea most of the time about the > dialect or the places being discussed. I still find all of the discussion > fascinating, and I am reading every word. What strikes me the most is my > realization that even though the words and the place names might be > different--my personal memories of growing up in a small town in the central > United States are virtually the same. We are separated by geography and > governments, but it is remarkable how much the human condition over time > periods remains the same! > > My second observation is that I think, through this memories discussion, we > are beginning to put human faces on the members of the list which can only > strengthen the bonds that tie us together as family historians--and that can > only be a good thing as we strive to help each other with our common goals. > > I can't wait for June to finish her collating project! > --Carolyn, in Minnesota, USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Binns > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LEI] memories > > It would appear that I have been "named" as the person who started this > thread with my Victorian Letters. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2113/4820 - Release Date: 02/19/12 > >

Hi Derek, I don't have access to the 1911 census of England. I use the online index at: http://www.1911census.co.uk However, I do have a little trick for assembling a household, knowing where one person was. I did that for your Eliza DAWLEY and Anne BEADSHAIN and came up with the following household: *Schedule type* *Last names* *First names* *Sex* *Birth year* *Age in 1911* *District / other* *County / other* HOUSEHOLD BEADSHAIN ANNE F 1900 11 Leicester Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY ELIZA F 1857 54 Leicester Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY MADEL F 1891 20 Leicester Leicestershire HOUSEHOLD DAWLEY SARAH F 1885 26 Leicester Leicestershire I think you can be pretty sure that these are your PAWLEYs because of the following two birth registrations that match the daughters in the above census: Births Sep 1891 (>99%) Pawley Mabel Leicester 7a 243 Births Jun 1885 (>99%) Pawley Sarah Leicester 7a 266 There are no corresponding birth registrations for DAWLEYs. Even more convincing is the 1901 census which shows the same individuals (except Annie, of course): William Pawley 45 Bricklayers Labourer Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Wigston Leicestershire Eliza Pawley 44 Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Banbury Oxfordshire Ernest Pawley 20 Shoemaker Heel Attacher Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Leicester William Pawley 17 Bricklayers Labourer Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Leicester Sarah Pawley 15 Shoe Machinist Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Leicester Percy Pawley 12 Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Leicester Mabel Pawley 9 Leicester Leicester Formerly Saint Margarets Leicester And, the clincher: if you go back to the household from the 1911 census and plug in "Banbury" as the place of birth, up pops Eliza DAWLEY! Hope that helps. Paul On 20/02/2012 8:39 AM, Derek wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I am wondering if you have access to the 1911 census, as I have just > been doing some digging around (again!) looking for Annie's guardian > ELIZA PAWLEY and have found an Eliza DAWLEY, age 54, living in > Leicester and living with her is an ANNE BEADSHAIN, aged 11. > This looks a definite possibility for Selina's daughter, but I don't > have full access to the census. Can you help please ? > > TIA > Derek. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? > > > Hi Paul, > > Thank you for your response. > > I have been helping Gail Durst with her BRADSHAW research for nearly 7 > years > and have exhausted my ideas for trying to find deaths etc. for Selina or > William, so I thought I would look to the combined knowledge of the > List for > any other avenues to follow. > > Incidentally, the postings on the websites you give are both from Gail > Durst. > > Unfortunately the 1911 census that you quote is not Selina's daughter > - it > is for Annie Maria daughter of Deborah Bradshaw, born June Qtr 1901. > It is possible that Selina's daughter, Annie, is listed under a different > surname on the 1911 census, as a School Exemption Register for July 1914 > gives her guardian as Mrs Eliza Pawley, parents not known. > > Derek. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul ROberts > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? > > > HI Derek, > > Presumably you are aware of Gail Durst who was posting in 2006 and 2009 > about this mystery. Another person brought to Gail's attention another > daughter Annie, who was living with Selina in Leicester in 1901 and with > Deborah Alice MOLLETT (nee BRADSHAW) in Blaby in 1911. > > If you go here: > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Family-research/story-12899005-detail/story.html > > > you will find Gail's post and her email address. > > Also, someone posting here: > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498555.msg3553357.html > > claims to have information for all 9 of William and Selina's children. > > Hope that helps. > > Paul > > > On 19/02/2012 12:50 PM, Derek wrote: >> I have a newspaper report, dated 2 January 1902, in the Leicester Daily >> Post >> giving details of SELINA BRADSHAW, 43, laundress, being sentenced to >> three >> years penal servitude. >> Unfortunately the report does not say in which prison she would serve >> her >> sentence and I have been unable to find any trace of her after this >> date. >> >> I cannot find her on the 1911 Census and have not found any subsequent >> death >> or marriage record for her. >> >> She was born SELINA HARCOT BODYCOT on 5 June 1857 in Leicester and >> married >> WILLIAM BRADSHAW (born Barrow Upon Soar, 4 May 1858) at All Saints >> Leicester >> on 7 October 1877. >> >> Her husband is also a mystery, as I have not found him on any census >> after >> 1881 - although he is mentioned in a newspaper report of 29 February >> 1896, >> when his son was in court for stealing. >> >> Any help in tracing Selina or her husband William would be much >> appreciated. >> >> Derek Bradshaw. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn I think its just the way it reads and I don't think you are saying that your 1883 offender was transported, as the last ship to reach Australia with convicts was 1868 For Derek I had checked the outgoing passenger lists for Selina as BRADSHAW - HARCOT - BODYCOT 1 BRADSHAW b1884 leaving 1919 to Canada 1 BODYCOTT b1909 leaving 1923 to Canada nil HARCOT Trouble is she could have died, remarried or left the UK under a false name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Just a wild guess, Derek, but I have a relative who stood trial in Leicester > in 1883. He was found guilty and sentenced to penal servitude in Millbank > Penitentiary in London. Millbank was the famous prison where people were > relocated to Australia. However, all of that had stopped by the time your > Selina went on trial in 1902. However, if you can't find them in 1911, do > you think it possible that they might have emigrated? --Carolyn, in > Minnesota, USA

Hi, Nivard, No. my relative was not "transported." He actually died in 1896 in Broadmoor Hospital in England. I did learn that "transporting" ended before 1883 when I was doing my research on Millbank. I wondered if many Leicester courts sent their offenders to Millbank. Did judges (or whoever made the final decision) have discression about where convicted people were sent? Derek's request for information just started me imagining that perhaps he had not yet thought that he should look farther afield for Selina, as at that point, she might not have been wanting to remain in England. (Penal servitude--whether the transgression was my fault, or not-- would not make me feel very "warm and fuzzy" about the country that put me in prison!) --Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LEI] What happened to SELINA BRADSHAW ? Hi Carolyn I think its just the way it reads and I don't think you are saying that your 1883 offender was transported, as the last ship to reach Australia with convicts was 1868