Hawkins County, TN. Cemeteries Book Vol. 1-4 were published by the Hawkins County Genealogical & Historical Society in 1988. In Volume 1 there is an entry-- M.A. Lee, died 12 Nov. 1774 age 47 year 9 months 27 days , wife of T.G. Lee A close examination of the grave marker suggest otherwise. Six aspects raise questions as to the authenticity of the Volume 1 entry. First, the year 1774 is eroded as it appears as 1_74. The residual of the second numeral does not appear to be a 7, but more likely an 8 as the lower right is curved or rounded. Second, the husband's middle initial G. is eroded and it could be a C. Third, the grave is among those of the family PANGLE. Fourth, the grave site of Martha Ann (Pangle) LEE is not otherwise found in Hawkins Co., TN. She died in 1874. Her husband, Thomas C. LEE, remarried in 1785 and is buried elsewhere in Hawkins Co., TN with his second wife, Mary A. (Mooney) LEE. Fifth, there is no record of a M. A. LEE marrying a T. G. LEE before 1774 or of such a death. Sixth, there is no record of a T. G. LEE in Hawkins Co., TN at that time. What was the basis of the first determination as entered in Volume 1 by the Society? Will this issue be reopened by the Society for a new look? Best regards, Hugh

I didn't notice this on the other listing when I read it, but I guess there's a typo on the 2nd marriage that should probably read 1875 i/o 1785. Does anyone know the parents of Edward B. LEE who married Sarah TENSLEY and were the parents of Thomas C. LEE? EB ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [LEE] Re: LEE-PANGLE, Hawkins Co., TN 1854 > > Hawkins County, TN. Cemeteries Book Vol. 1-4 were > > published by the Hawkins County Genealogical & Historical Society in 1988. > > In Volume 1 there is an entry-- > > M.A. Lee, died 12 Nov. 1774 age 47 year 9 months 27 days , wife of T.G. Lee > > A close examination of the grave marker suggest otherwise. Six aspects raise > questions as to the authenticity of the Volume 1 entry. > > First, the year 1774 is eroded as it appears as 1_74. The residual of the > second numeral does not appear to be a 7, but more likely an 8 as the lower > right is curved or rounded. > > Second, the husband's middle initial G. is eroded and it could be a C. > > Third, the grave is among those of the family PANGLE. > > Fourth, the grave site of Martha Ann (Pangle) LEE is not otherwise found in > Hawkins Co., TN. She died in 1874. Her husband, Thomas C. LEE, remarried in > 1785 and is buried elsewhere in Hawkins Co., TN with his second wife, Mary A. > (Mooney) LEE. > > Fifth, there is no record of a M. A. LEE marrying a T. G. LEE before 1774 or > of such a death. > > Sixth, there is no record of a T. G. LEE in Hawkins Co., TN at that time. > > What was the basis of the first determination as entered in Volume 1 by the > Society? > > Will this issue be reopened by the Society for a new look? > > Best regards, > Hugh > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > Please contact me at [email protected] with any comments, > questions or problems you may have regarding your subscription. > Thanks, Manager, LEE Mailing List > List Info Page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/l/lee.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

What cemetery does the book say that it's in? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [LEE] Re: LEE-PANGLE, Hawkins Co., TN 1854 > > Hawkins County, TN. Cemeteries Book Vol. 1-4 were > > published by the Hawkins County Genealogical & Historical Society in 1988. > > In Volume 1 there is an entry-- > > M.A. Lee, died 12 Nov. 1774 age 47 year 9 months 27 days , wife of T.G. Lee > > A close examination of the grave marker suggest otherwise. Six aspects raise > questions as to the authenticity of the Volume 1 entry. > > First, the year 1774 is eroded as it appears as 1_74. The residual of the > second numeral does not appear to be a 7, but more likely an 8 as the lower > right is curved or rounded. > > Second, the husband's middle initial G. is eroded and it could be a C. > > Third, the grave is among those of the family PANGLE. > > Fourth, the grave site of Martha Ann (Pangle) LEE is not otherwise found in > Hawkins Co., TN. She died in 1874. Her husband, Thomas C. LEE, remarried in > 1785 and is buried elsewhere in Hawkins Co., TN with his second wife, Mary A. > (Mooney) LEE. > > Fifth, there is no record of a M. A. LEE marrying a T. G. LEE before 1774 or > of such a death. > > Sixth, there is no record of a T. G. LEE in Hawkins Co., TN at that time. > > What was the basis of the first determination as entered in Volume 1 by the > Society? > > Will this issue be reopened by the Society for a new look? > > Best regards, > Hugh > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > Please contact me at [email protected] with any comments, > questions or problems you may have regarding your subscription. > Thanks, Manager, LEE Mailing List > List Info Page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/l/lee.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I sent a query to a friend who is a lighting engineer and specialist with minerals, asking if examining an old gravestone with different wavelength lights might be useful in determining the original engraving. Mineralogists do specialty field work at night with portable UV lights. His response: << It is very possible that UV or IR photography might see the difference. As the gravestone (granite or other stone) weathers it could look different than the newer material (especially under IR or UV). I do not know for sure, and it might take some work to find out since UV or IR photography (film or digital) could take several exposures. However, that is just a guess on my part, I have no first hand knowledge on the subject. Don Newsome UV SYSTEMS, Inc.>> If anyone has tried this kind of experiment, I would be interested in the results. Best regards, Darcy Howard scientific illustrator On Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 08:49 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > First, the year 1774 is eroded as it appears as 1_74. The residual of > the > second numeral does not appear to be a 7, but more likely an 8 as the > lower > right is curved or rounded.

Industrial minerals geologists' suggestions for dating a stone that can't be read: A discussion with Palmer Sweet, retired, and David Spears, Virginia Geological Survey. If the cemetery in question is in Lee county, or southwest Virginia, local quarries have been producing limestone for monuments since the 1600s. Local stone was generally used for markers up through the 1800s, as transportation was difficult. A knowledgeable geologist with a keen eye may be able to trace the exact quarry the stone was produced from. (Indian stone artifacts from my home state of Arkansas have been followed around the country this way.) As one quarry played out, new sections of stone operations would be opened, resulting in a headstone that by appearance would be the same, but have slightly varying chemistry, such as the amount of sand, silt, and calcium carbonate. These factors can influence the rate of degradation of the engraving. Acid rain can render engraving on limestone streaked or unreadable in 80 - 100 years. Suggestions for dating a stone include 1. Find out from the county historical society when the cemetery was first started. That fact should give you the earliest date the headstone could be. 2. Find another stone in the cemetery of similar design, but in a different orientation, such as under a tree, or facing a different direction from prevailing rains. That similar stone may not have eroded as quickly, due to environmental factors, as the stone in question. By association, an approximate date should be able to be determined. 3. Contact a local monument firm to find out about history of local production of headstones used at this cemetery. Can lettering styles and design of monuments be determined by the period of the artwork and manufactuing style. 4. If the above is not possible, contact a large monument firm such as Rock of Ages, whose beginnings are in Vermont but now service the entire east coast, and find out some history, including styles of lettering and engraving methods used in the different manufacturing eras. Does someone have a photo of the headstone in question? Hope someone in Lee Valley can do these things, and let the rest of us know. Best regards, Darcy Lee Howard Mabelvale, AR On Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 08:49 AM, [email protected] wrote: > A close examination of the grave marker suggest otherwise. Six > aspects raise > questions as to the authenticity of the Volume 1 entry. > > First, the year 1774 is eroded as it appears as 1_74. The residual of > the > second numeral does not appear to be a 7, but more likely an 8 as the > lower > right is curved or rounded. > > Second, the husband's middle initial G. is eroded and it could be a C. >

Hugh, According to Hawkins Co., TN marriage records.... Thomas C. Lee married Martha A. Pangle on May 5, 1854. This is from Hawkins Co. Marriages 1847-1858. I don't know if this helps but thought I would pass the info along. I found this through the Hawkins Co. Genealogy link from the following website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnhawkin/index.html . Lorraine At 09:49 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >Hawkins County, TN. Cemeteries Book Vol. 1-4 were > >published by the Hawkins County Genealogical & Historical Society in 1988. > >In Volume 1 there is an entry-- > >M.A. Lee, died 12 Nov. 1774 age 47 year 9 months 27 days , wife of T.G. Lee > >A close examination of the grave marker suggest otherwise. Six aspects raise >questions as to the authenticity of the Volume 1 entry. > >First, the year 1774 is eroded as it appears as 1_74. The residual of the >second numeral does not appear to be a 7, but more likely an 8 as the lower >right is curved or rounded. > >Second, the husband's middle initial G. is eroded and it could be a C. > >Third, the grave is among those of the family PANGLE. > >Fourth, the grave site of Martha Ann (Pangle) LEE is not otherwise found in >Hawkins Co., TN. She died in 1874. Her husband, Thomas C. LEE, remarried in >1785 and is buried elsewhere in Hawkins Co., TN with his second wife, Mary A. >(Mooney) LEE. > >Fifth, there is no record of a M. A. LEE marrying a T. G. LEE before 1774 or >of such a death. > >Sixth, there is no record of a T. G. LEE in Hawkins Co., TN at that time. > >What was the basis of the first determination as entered in Volume 1 by the >Society? > >Will this issue be reopened by the Society for a new look? > >Best regards, >Hugh > > > >==== LEE Mailing List ==== >Please contact me at [email protected] with any comments, >questions or problems you may have regarding your subscription. >Thanks, Manager, LEE Mailing List >List Info Page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/l/lee.html > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237