Hello Colleen, I do not know Margaret's maiden name. They were active church member's. Margaret was a petit lady, her health was bad towards the end. Not sure where they are buried. But, my guess is in East Rutherford. As James has other Lee relatives buried in East Rutherford. [cem. unk] James was known by his family as Uncle Ottis. Uncle Ottis drove me to this cemetery once. My thoughts were not on checking for the name of it. I am sure we were in East Rutherford or really close. And Uncle Ottis had at least one brother who's name was John Mathew Lee and wife was Frances E. Washington. And about 4 or 5 children. One or more of there children were born in Passaic, New Jersey. [most living] Tonia Descendants of James Ottis Lee Generation No. 1 1. JAMES OTTIS2 LEE (//1) was born 16 December 19081, and died 11 December 1992 in Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey1. He married MARGARET LEE, daughter of .. She was born 11 March 19142, and died May 1978 in Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey2. Notes for JAMES OTTIS LEE: US Nany: about 1928 - 1930's Individual: Lee, James Birth date: 16 Dec 1908 Death date: 11 Dec 1992 Social Security #: 158-16-4414 Last residence: 07070 State of issue: NJ More About JAMES OTTIS LEE: Social Security #: Social Security #: 158-16-44143 SSN Issued in: State of issue: NJ3 Notes for MARGARET LEE: Individual: Lee, Margaret Birth date: 11 Mar 1914 Death date: May 1978 Social Security #: 158-16-2679 Last residence: NJ 07070 State of issue: NJ Zip of last payment: 07070 More About MARGARET LEE: Social Security #: Social Security #: 158-16-26794 SSN Issued in: State of issue: NJ4 On Sat, 22 May 2004 01:09:47 -0600 Colleen <[email protected]> writes: > Hi Tonia, > > Can you give us names, dates, etc.? I don't live in NJ, but might > have > a help or two for you, while others on the list might have still > more. > > Colleen > > > Tonia M. Lee wrote: > > >Hello Everyone, > >I would like to ask a question if in you > >would not mind, please. > >I have an Afro American Lee family in > >New Jersey. That I sure could use a > >bit of assistance on. > >If anyone would have a kind heart you > >could E-mail directly. > >Every time I have asked for any help. > >No one was willing to even do an obit > >look up, nothing. > >Thank you in advance for your time > >and listening to me. > >Tonia > > > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > To leave the LEE mailing list, send only the word Unsubscribe > in the subject line and in the body of an email to: > [email protected] -- if you subscribe in Mail Mode > [email protected] -- if you subscribe in Digest Mode > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Tonia, Can you give us names, dates, etc.? I don't live in NJ, but might have a help or two for you, while others on the list might have still more. Colleen Tonia M. Lee wrote: >Hello Everyone, >I would like to ask a question if in you >would not mind, please. >I have an Afro American Lee family in >New Jersey. That I sure could use a >bit of assistance on. >If anyone would have a kind heart you >could E-mail directly. >Every time I have asked for any help. >No one was willing to even do an obit >look up, nothing. >Thank you in advance for your time >and listening to me. >Tonia >

Hello Everyone, I would like to ask a question if in you would not mind, please. I have an Afro American Lee family in New Jersey. That I sure could use a bit of assistance on. If anyone would have a kind heart you could E-mail directly. Every time I have asked for any help. No one was willing to even do an obit look up, nothing. Thank you in advance for your time and listening to me. Tonia On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:17:28 -0600 Colleen <[email protected]> writes: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick message to let you know that I am the new list > administrator. I'll let you all know my guidelines in the > next day or two. > > You should also know that I've made a few changes in the list > controls, the most important of which is that those of you who > subscribe to the digest are now receiving one every 12 hours or > when the level of combined messages reaches 20,000 bytes. > > In the meantime, if you have any questions, you're welcome to > contact me at <[email protected]>. > > Colleen Pustola > > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > Remember to include these five basic items in your posts to the > list: > WHO (complete name), WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these > folks live?), WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach > you?). > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Welcome Colleen!! Looking forward to your instructions and thoughts. :) Robin J.

According to the rather detailed work "THE LOST CHILD OF RICHARD LEE OF DITCHLEY " by Mrs. Merillat Moses, the seven children of the subject couple are: ` Elizabeth/Betsy m. Major Peter CONWAY Mary m Charles LEE Letitia m. James BALL Judith m. David GALLOWAY Kendall m. Betty HEALE Anne m. Grorge KERR Lucy* m. Baldwin Matthews Smith *controversial-HH The later two were derived by significant research as they were not named in Richard's will. This finding does not leave room for a Thomas or a Stephen, both candidates in other research as the missing children. It is suggested in message from <[email protected]> in part: << **** one of the Lelands (claiming descent from Lucy Smith) repeated claims made by Ludwell Lee Montague regarding Lucy Smith as last child of Richard and Judith This claim and was rejected by Edmund Jennings Lee and again by Casanave Lee.(genealogist Society of Lees) Every thing changed after the death of Casanave Lee. Ludwell Lee Montague gained control as president of the Society of Lees; Lucy Smith, of course, became Lucy Lee, daughter of Judith and Richard Lee. Hugh wanted me to know that primogeniture did not apply somehow in the case of a son. Stephen Lee couldn't be the seventh child of Judith and Richard because Richard would have divided property between sons. {nor could Thomas-HH] Perhaps, it is best not to comment further re. the Seven Children of Ditchley-Richard and Judith, their children and numerous claimants. An examination of sources and the claims made has resulted also in an examination of the Lee pedigree and includes discovery that the Bible which was used a proof was a forgery (result claim and counterclaim) I make no claims except I think that whatever we accept should be based on sound criteria. >> _______ I have no bias in this case, but I would observe that the case for Lucy LEE as the seventh and last child is very strong as presented by Mrs. Merillat Moses. In Richard's will two children were not named although five children were named. This has to be curious. Their seems to be agreement that Anne was one of the two unnamed children. The other has a number of candidates of which Lucy, Stephen and Thomas seem to be most prominent. A good case has be made for Lucy. No similar case has been presented for the male candidates--why? As I have stated before, Captain Thomas LEE of Hawkins Co., TN (died 1816) is alleged to be a son born 1729. If so, he would have been 6 when Richard LEE wrote his will. Why wouldn't he be in the will? When Casanava LEE and Edmund Jennings LEE rejected the Lucy LEE claim was it because it lacked evidence or because the evidence was fraudulent. These criticisms can be corrected and new or other evidence can be presented over time. I just don't know the basis for the rejection. It would be folly just to accept their rejection at face value. To understand it would lead to a better assessment. I cannot comment meaningfully on the politics of the LEE Society except to observe that we have two contending groups who have used their power to influence the situation. There may be more to this story than meets the eye. In any case, the information is apparently available among the Franke papers now most readily available to Lee, Will Franke's niece. It would be generous of her if she would share the detailed discussion of the rejection with us. Best regards, Hugh

Hi everyone, This is just a quick message to let you know that I am the new list administrator. I'll let you all know my guidelines in the next day or two. You should also know that I've made a few changes in the list controls, the most important of which is that those of you who subscribe to the digest are now receiving one every 12 hours or when the level of combined messages reaches 20,000 bytes. In the meantime, if you have any questions, you're welcome to contact me at <[email protected]>. Colleen Pustola

In a message dated 5/20/04 8:50:29 PM, [email protected] writes: << If anyone other than me is interested in this family and knows if it Is related to Robert E. Lee's family please let me know. >> ___________ Marsha, There are claims that Richard who married Mary Gresham/Grisham was of the LEEs of VA (From Richard I). I do not have proof. There is plenty of proof of the children of Richard LEE and Mary Gresham. Richard LEE I is the ancestor of R. E. LEE. Robert Edward LEE (Henry, Henry, Henry, Richard II, Richard I). Your Richard is claimed by Ernie <[email protected]> to have a link to the LEEs of VA. Check out the claim yourself. Ask for sources, etc. His work is also carried by LDS on the net. Best regards and good luck, Hugh

Is anyone tracing the family of Richard Lee of Northhumberland Co., VA md to Mary Young...son Richard Lee b abt 1730 of Goochland to Buckingham Co., Va md Mary Gresham ...whose son Sgt. Wm Lee b Jan 24, 1754 md Drusilla Staples? Bible records for this family. Fall, 1996 This one is from the "Central Kentucky Researcher" Spring, 1989 Copy of Bible Record (Lee), submitted by Aileen McKinley Births Jackin Lee was born Feb. 3rd, 1794 Elisabeth T., his wife, was born Feb. 6th, 1800 Henry Gresham Lee was born May 21st, 1823 (Died 5th day of April 1837 in~ the 14th year of his age) William Lee was.born 24th Janry*1754............my ancestor................. Drusilla Lee was born Decr. 1764 Polly M. E. Lee was born 10th Janry., 1784 Saml. Lee was born 12th May, 1786 William C. Lee was born Febry. 17th, 1789 Nancy Lee was born Oct. 25th, 1791 Jackin Lee was born Febry. 3rd, 1794 Robert P. Lee was born April 6th, 1797 Betsey Lee was born Sept. 23rd, 1799 Gresham Lee was born July 30th, 1802 Phoebe W. Lee was born Febry. 22nd, 1805 Sally C. Lee was born June 7th, 1807...........my ancestor Marriages Jackin Lee and Elisabeth Cook was married 18th Decr., 1821 Deaths Jackin Lee died lst day of November, 1882 in the eighty-ninth year of his age Elisabeth T. Lee, his wife, died the 20th day of October, 1882, in the eighty-third year of her age. NOTE: I do not have proof of Mary Grisham being Richard's wife. If you ever get it, please let me know, because I would be interested. "Ancestors and Descendants of Gresham Lee" identifies her as Mary Gresham. If anyone other than me is interested in this family and knows if it Is related to Robert E. Lee's family please let me know. Thank you, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 6:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LEE] LEE reference found in error- LEE listers, I'm getting a lot of flak on Lee Lists and also by direct Email from one individual over the issue of who was the LEE at Stony Point, NY (15-16 July 1779) and Paulus Hook, NJ (19 Aug 1779). My research tells me that the most prominent LEE at both of these actions/raids was Major Henry/Harry LEE, later to become known as Light Horse Harry LEE and become a Major General. He was the son of Henry and Lucy (Grymes) LEE. He married twice: first, to Matilda LEE (cousin) by whom he had children, and second, to Ann Hull Carter. By Ann Carter he had among several children, Robert Edward LEE, of Civil War fame. I am more a historian than I am a genealogist, but both endeavors try to find sources as to fact. There is a reference, The West Point Atlas of American Wars, Vol. I, pub'd 1959 which says in effect that Brig. Gen. Anthony Wayne and Colonel Richard Henry LEE were the principals at Stony Point and Paulus Hook. I happen to be studying the Stony Point raid in some detail and was checking who took part. Among the senior officers mentioned in several accounts were BG Anthony Wayne, Colonel Christian Febiger, Colonel Butler, Colonel Meigs and a number of field officers (Lt. Cols. and Majs) of whom Major Harry LEE was among them. There was no other LEE mentioned. I wanted to learn of Major LEE's role. It was that of reconnaissance and security for the force that actually attacked Stony Point. Major LEE wrote a letter to BG Wayne requesting that his men participate in the distribution of the booty gained at Stony Point. Said letter is a primary document. This identity lead to biographies of Major LEE where I was to learn that the he commanded and lead the attack at Paulus Hook. For this action the Continental Congress awarded him a gold medal. The citation is preserved. So far no mention of a Colonel Richard Henry LEE. Henry/Harry LEE did not have the first name of Richard. In fact he is the third Henry of his line. There was such a stark difference between what the Atlas identified as Richa rd Henry LEE and the readings of the actual battles which only mentioned Major Henry/Harry LEE that I wrote to the History Department at USMA (West Point) regarding the issue as the editor of the Atlas was head of the Dept. at one time and since dead. I was to learn that the Atlas was no longer a text at West Point and that the cite of Colonel Richard LEE was in fact in error and the officer named LEE was indeed Major Henry/Harry LEE. My intent was to notify the Lists concerned with LEEs of this fact. I knew that the Atlas was being cited as a source document to give RW service credit to a Richard Henry LEE, a person other than Henry LEE. My research found that Light Horse Harry was indeed the LEE at the two battles mentioned above. I would be glad to entertain any other view, if reasonably researched and objectively presented. In sum, the Atlas was admittedly in error, and there is documented proof of Major Henry/Harry LEE being present and prominent at both actions. This seems to me to be a strong case to say, at least, that Colonel Richard Henry LEE was not evident. If Richard Henry LEE (Colonel or otherwise) was there, surely, the claimant can produce the documents to support his/her view. 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LEE listers, I'm getting a lot of flak on Lee Lists and also by direct Email from one individual over the issue of who was the LEE at Stony Point, NY (15-16 July 1779) and Paulus Hook, NJ (19 Aug 1779). My research tells me that the most prominent LEE at both of these actions/raids was Major Henry/Harry LEE, later to become known as Light Horse Harry LEE and become a Major General. He was the son of Henry and Lucy (Grymes) LEE. He married twice: first, to Matilda LEE (cousin) by whom he had children, and second, to Ann Hull Carter. By Ann Carter he had among several children, Robert Edward LEE, of Civil War fame. I am more a historian than I am a genealogist, but both endeavors try to find sources as to fact. There is a reference, The West Point Atlas of American Wars, Vol. I, pub'd 1959 which says in effect that Brig. Gen. Anthony Wayne and Colonel Richard Henry LEE were the principals at Stony Point and Paulus Hook. I happen to be studying the Stony Point raid in some detail and was checking who took part. Among the senior officers mentioned in several accounts were BG Anthony Wayne, Colonel Christian Febiger, Colonel Butler, Colonel Meigs and a number of field officers (Lt. Cols. and Majs) of whom Major Harry LEE was among them. There was no other LEE mentioned. I wanted to learn of Major LEE's role. It was that of reconnaissance and security for the force that actually attacked Stony Point. Major LEE wrote a letter to BG Wayne requesting that his men participate in the distribution of the booty gained at Stony Point. Said letter is a primary document. This identity lead to biographies of Major LEE where I was to learn that the he commanded and lead the attack at Paulus Hook. For this action the Continental Congress awarded him a gold medal. The citation is preserved. So far no mention of a Colonel Richard Henry LEE. Henry/Harry LEE did not have the first name of Richard. In fact he is the third Henry of his line. There was such a stark difference between what the Atlas identified as Richa rd Henry LEE and the readings of the actual battles which only mentioned Major Henry/Harry LEE that I wrote to the History Department at USMA (West Point) regarding the issue as the editor of the Atlas was head of the Dept. at one time and since dead. I was to learn that the Atlas was no longer a text at West Point and that the cite of Colonel Richard LEE was in fact in error and the officer named LEE was indeed Major Henry/Harry LEE. My intent was to notify the Lists concerned with LEEs of this fact. I knew that the Atlas was being cited as a source document to give RW service credit to a Richard Henry LEE, a person other than Henry LEE. My research found that Light Horse Harry was indeed the LEE at the two battles mentioned above. I would be glad to entertain any other view, if reasonably researched and objectively presented. In sum, the Atlas was admittedly in error, and there is documented proof of Major Henry/Harry LEE being present and prominent at both actions. This seems to me to be a strong case to say, at least, that Colonel Richard Henry LEE was not evident. If Richard Henry LEE (Colonel or otherwise) was there, surely, the claimant can produce the documents to support his/her view. Best regards, Hugh

Hello, I have no idea who andrew Lee's parents were. I am stuck with him. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "cora esch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [LEE] Pearson Lee > Sandra, Do you have ant info on the parentage of Andrew who married Margaret > Daniels? Thanks Cora > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:51 AM > Subject: [LEE] Pearson Lee > > > > Hello, I am looking for PEARSON LEE born to ANDREW LEE AND MARGARET > DANIELS. Pearson was born @1811 in KY and married Sarah Jackson in 1828. > Henry andrew was his son and born Oct 18, 1832 KY. > > > > any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank You > > Sandra > > > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the LEE message board, > > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > > Since the poster might not be a member of our LEE mailing list, > > they may only see your response when it is made through the board. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > LEE Resource Page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/l/e/LEE/ > LEE MailListPage: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/l/lee.html > LEE List Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEE > LEE Genealogy Forum: http://www.genforum.com/lee/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Harlan Co Ky. Cora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzette Northcutt Rhodes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [LEE] Pearson Lee > Where in KY? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:51 AM > Subject: [LEE] Pearson Lee > > > > Hello, I am looking for PEARSON LEE born to ANDREW LEE AND MARGARET > DANIELS. Pearson was born @1811 in KY and married Sarah Jackson in 1828. > Henry andrew was his son and born Oct 18, 1832 KY. > > > > any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank You > > Sandra > > > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the LEE message board, > > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > > Since the poster might not be a member of our LEE mailing list, > > they may only see your response when it is made through the board. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > FamilySearch w/online LDS records - http://www.familysearch.org/ > Ancestry with over 2 Billion names - http://www.ancestry.com/ > Rootsweb with multiple searches in one - http://www.rootsweb.com/ > WConnect - http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Sandra, Do you have ant info on the parentage of Andrew who married Margaret Daniels? Thanks Cora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: [LEE] Pearson Lee > Hello, I am looking for PEARSON LEE born to ANDREW LEE AND MARGARET DANIELS. Pearson was born @1811 in KY and married Sarah Jackson in 1828. Henry andrew was his son and born Oct 18, 1832 KY. > > any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thank You > Sandra > > > ==== LEE Mailing List ==== > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the LEE message board, > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > Since the poster might not be a member of our LEE mailing list, > they may only see your response when it is made through the board. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

All, Over the past few weeks there has been what appears to be heated discussions about certain LEE relationships to which discussion I have been a party, What you have seen is that part of the discussion sent via Lists. The private exchanges (more of the same) have not been exposed to public scrutiny. It is obvious that there is an impasse in points of view. Of what has been exposed, you will have to judge for yourself. I am going out of town for a while so this thing will have an opportunity to simmer down. Several of you have written supportive notes and one has been critical. All have been sincere. I hope when I return from my sojourn the atmosphere will be less charged and we can discuss given events in a detached and unemotional way. In the mean time look up what facts, as you can find them, which might bring clarity and/or linkage to these controversial issues: -Children of Richard and Judith (Steptoe) LEE of Ditchley Hall, VA -Parentage of Captain Thomas LEE (c1729-1816), died in Hawkins Co., TN -Identity of Thomas LEE of Ditchley as entered in Griffin Bible. -Identity of A. M. and T. _. LEE on gravestone in Hawkins Co., TN dated 17_4 -Destiny of Thomas LEE, s/o John LEE, Sr. (Esq.) of Johnston Co., NC -Parentage of Colonel Greenberry LEE of Richmond Co., GA (c1748-1784) who married Elizabeth FEW there in 1774 -Identity of Thomas (Greenberry?) LEE who married Mary Agnes LEE (Lee cousin). Best regards, Hugh

In a message dated 5/16/04 1:52:26 PM, [email protected] writes in part: << Hugh's response was to send me Internet links where one of the Lelands (claiming descent from Lucy Smith) repeated claims made by Ludwell Lee Montague regarding Lucy Smith as last child of Richard and Judith This claim and was rejected by Edmund Jennings Lee and again by Casanave Lee.(genealogist Society of Lees) Every thing changed after the death of Casanave Lee. Ludwell Lee Montague gained control as president of the Society of Lees; Lucy Smith, of course, became Lucy Lee, daughter of Judith and Richard Lee. Hugh wanted me to know that primogeniture did not apply somehow in the case of a son. Stephen Lee couldn't be the seventh child of Judith and Richard because Richard would have divided property between sons. Perhaps, it is best not to comment further re. the Seven Children of Ditchley-Richard and Judith, their children and numerous claimants. An examination of sources and the claims made has resulted also in an examination of the Lee pedigree and includes discovery that the Bible which was used a proof was a forgery (result claim and counterclaim) I make no claims except I think that whatever we accept should be based on sound criteria. >> __________ Dear Lee, How can anyone disagree with your final sentence? The problem is getting to acceptance of the sound criteria. Of course, some discourse of other known work is part of understanding the whole of the problem. I am sure that reiteration of various points of view is boring and for those who have listened several times, it must almost be irritating. But that's the way newbys learn. Apparently the work of Mrs. Merillat Moses which I sent to you made presentation of old information which was turned down by the LEEs of VA Society initially. Subsequent leadership in the Society apparently approved the work or the conclusion of the work. I don't see a problem with this, unless the system is corrupt. The initial turndown was for reasons not explained, so perhaps they were cleared up. To take a stand based on someone else's work is a precarious endeavor. That person could be terribly wrong for whatever reason. For that reason I was showing you Mrs. Merillat Moses' work as a possible solution to eliminate Thomas LEE (1729-1816) and Stephen LEE as candidate sons of Richard and Judith (Steptoe) LEE. To my eye it is obvious that no one has done other than make a claim/assertion about the paternity of Thomas LEE. The work of Mrs. Moses that shows that Thomas and Stephen LEE were not sons, shows diligence and meticulous attention to documentation. If she has defrauded us with bogus data I think she should be exposed, otherwise we should seriously consider her work. Because Casanova LEE and the LEE Soc. at one time refuted the view Mrs. Moses presents doesn't invalidate it. LEE research did not end with Casanova LEE and Will Franke, and I am sure both fine gentlemen would be the first to agree. Hope this finds you well, Hugh

Gerry.... Thanks, well said! I agree completely. I grew up being told R.E. Lee was a cousin (distant, but a cousin) and to date I have found no proof of that. I have limited resources but love to search...in lots of places....to find the truth. Lorrain At 01:15 AM 5/17/2004, you wrote: >Circa 1960 Donald Lines Jacobus lamented in an article in "The American >Genealogist" that he feared for the quality of genealogical research. He >said that there were so many published family histories at that point that >people would rather use someone else's work than to do their own research. >This he said could only compound the errors that he was finding in even >the best of genealogies. Imagine how he would view "Ancestral File" or the >many internet sources of family trees. Anyone with a genealogy program and >an internet connection can download, merge and publish a family history in >a matter of a few weeks. Plagiarism abounds and errors are so often >repeated that it is nearly impossible, at times, to find the occurrence >of the original error. As another contributor has pointed out, many people >who have published errors seem little concerned about them when they are >pointed out by others. >We need to applaud Hugh and others like him who dig hard for primary >evidence and share it with with us. Errors and family MYTHS are hard to >dispel even when proven wrong. Most of us are probably not related to >Robert E. Lee, even if great grandmother said we are. Most of us, too, >have more questions than answers. >There is not an abundance of good information, easily available, >concerning the battle of Stony Point. I commend you Hugh for your tenacity >and perseverance. Thank you too, for the many good pieces of information >you have contributed toward Lee family research in the past. > >Gerry Shepard > > >==== LEE Mailing List ==== >To leave the LEE mailing list, send only the word Unsubscribe >in the subject line and in the body of an email to: >[email protected] -- if you subscribe in Mail Mode >[email protected] -- if you subscribe in Digest Mode > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Circa 1960 Donald Lines Jacobus lamented in an article in "The American Genealogist" that he feared for the quality of genealogical research. He said that there were so many published family histories at that point that people would rather use someone else's work than to do their own research. This he said could only compound the errors that he was finding in even the best of genealogies. Imagine how he would view "Ancestral File" or the many internet sources of family trees. Anyone with a genealogy program and an internet connection can download, merge and publish a family history in a matter of a few weeks. Plagiarism abounds and errors are so often repeated that it is nearly impossible, at times, to find the occurrence of the original error. As another contributor has pointed out, many people who have published errors seem little concerned about them when they are pointed out by others. We need to applaud Hugh and others like him who dig hard for primary evidence and share it with with us. Errors and family MYTHS are hard to dispel even when proven wrong. Most of us are probably not related to Robert E. Lee, even if great grandmother said we are. Most of us, too, have more questions than answers. There is not an abundance of good information, easily available, concerning the battle of Stony Point. I commend you Hugh for your tenacity and perseverance. Thank you too, for the many good pieces of information you have contributed toward Lee family research in the past. Gerry Shepard

One should never take the LDS material as written in gold. Remember: It is only as good as the researcher who submitted it. They just copy the research onto the internet or film. I have found that there are many mistakes and the researcher has no evidence to back it up or when you write them, they don't answer! We can all disagree, but hopefully come to the right answer together. As far as the DAR is concerned, I understand that years ago, they were accepting the research as submitted with weak evidence...times have changed and without proper documentation, one will not enter the realm of DAR. I have friends that are desperately trying to find documentation so that the person can qualify for membership. This is the result of so many falsifications on the applications. This was many, many years ago and it is finally becoming important to prove with documentation or evidence your qualification for DAR. Remember, the research is only as good as the researcher! Please don't flame me for that statement...most of us have documentation to back it up these days or try to verify what we have found. We have learned to do this from past experience and we have become good family researchers with all the technology and material available today. Hugh, you have done a wonderful job verifying your position with the "Lees of VA". Since I have two lines of Lees in my tree (and one is from VA), I have yet to verify where these ancestors came from much less who they are connected to in the past. Of course, in SC, too many events in the Rev. War as well as the Civil War gives us little to research.....but I love to try! For everyone, good luck with your research! We have a great group of people on line to help us in many ways with our search for our ancestors...Thanks everybody! However, we are all able and willing to "take great leaps of faith" and "shots in the dark" to help us along the way! I am very guilty of that...but I call it, for what it is worth, "common sense" until I am proven wrong by others or myself! This has happen often!

The correspondence on "Col." Richard Henry Lee intrigued me and I found a site which suggests that he was indeed not a Col. in the Revolutionary Army. It indicates that he was a very great and influential politician who was a leader in the Revolution and was trusted by the other leaders of the Revolution, including General George Washington and Samuel Adams. The site I reference is: http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/l/lee.pdf. Lots of interesting information there for anyone seeking truth. Just wanted to pass this along. Lorraine

Hugh, I think you are doing a great job of explaining your position...I am having some difficulty understanding the complaint against your information. You are absolutely right that LDS has a disclaimer on their site that says they DO NOT guarantee the information and that it is simply information obtained from people submitting it. See below: "About Ancestral File: Ancestral File is a collection of genealogical information taken from Pedigree Charts and Family Group Records submitted to the Family History Department since 1978. The information has not been verified against any official records. Since the information in Ancestral File is contributed, it is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy." I have, personally, found several errors regarding my family (grandfather) which I know, and can prove, are wrong. I am a veritable novice at this genealogy think and it is really easy to just take someone's word for what they say...after all...haven't they worked hard at it and just look at all the information they found....but, we have to be careful that the information is correct. It is also very important how we tell someone their information is NOT correct and I think you are doing a great job of that Hugh. Keep up the good work! Thanks for your help, Lorraine At 07:55 AM 5/16/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/15/04 9:18:46 AM, [email protected] writes:

I agree with Hugh. The LDS and DAR are repositories for the research of individuals, and they are not always correct. I have found errors in information found at both of these sites in researching other family lines. Some of the early researchers who sent their info to the LDS or DAR did not have the advantage of some of the info that has become available in recent years. Unless the researcher has provided the appropriate documentation, you cannot accept the info from these sites as "gospel" but only as "clues" that need to be confirmed. Some of the info at these sites were sent in many years ago and have been disproved by more recent researchers on many occasions. Much of the info is based upon supposition and family rumours. My advise to researchers is to take the info that they obtain from these sources only at face value until they locate the documentation that the info is indeed correct. I applaud Hugh's diligent efforts in researching the Lee family lines. Marla Timmons Houston