This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: weekendinparis Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.leduc/536/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Everyone... I have hit a brick wall and have been going round and round for the past year with no luck (ugh!). So, I thought I would try a different angle and see if someone on the message board might be able to help. I will try not to be too confusing... I will have to do a little history beforehand, though. I am sorry for the length but I wanted to make sure I put all the information out there that I could. The ancestor I am looking for is CHARLES MADOX and whom he may have married. Charles is the father of PELAGIE MADOX. ================== Part One..... Pelagie Madox married Jean Baptiste St. Francois 18 April 1803 at Detroit, L'Assomption de Sandwich de Windsor (Douin Records). She was JB's 2nd wife. The marriage record states that Pelagie was the "natural" daughter of Charles Madox and that Charles was a "Convert." I also know from Charles' burial record that he was a meat caterer/trader "at the post." Witnesses for the Groom: JEAN BAPTISTE LEDUC, DOMINIC LEDUC, Andre Peltier, Joseph Amable Bigras, Francis Champagne and Pierre Giroux. Witnesses for the Bride: Jean Baptiste Ouellette, Charles Ouellette, Alexander Ouellette, Alexis Delisle and Henry Blondin. ================== Part Two:..... Jean Baptiste St. Francois' 1st wife was Genevieve Cloutier, daughter of Zacharie Cloutier and Marie Josephe of the Sauteaux Nation. I do not know if they had any children before she died. Witnesses for the Groom: JEAN BAPTISTE LEDUC, Andre Peltier and Marie Josephe Peltier wife of Jean Baptiste Pare. Witnesses for the Bride: Charles Spinard (?), Andre Goupille, Claude Reaume and Jean Baptiste Pare. ================== Elisabeth Peltier was the Godmother of JB and Pelagie's son, Jean Baptiste St. Francois JEAN BAPTISTE LEDUC was the Godfather of JB and Pelagie's daughter, Pelagie St. Francois Jean Baptiste Proux was Godfather and Victoire Ouellette was the Godmother of JB and Pelagie's daughter, Louisa ================== JEAN BAPTISTE LEDUC was a witness to both of JB St. Francois' marriages. Were they related????? Or maybe just very good friends..... I am wondering if Charles being a "Convert" was married to an Indian woman and I have not a clue how to go about researching. Another question is where did he do his trading (he died about 1788)? Where would I find records for "traders?" Also, Pelagie is mentioned as the "natural" daughter of Charles so was her mother Indian??? I have read that a "natural child" is a child of an Indian. Again, I am lost and do not know where to begin researching. This is all new territory for me... Did Pelagie choose the witnesses to her marriage because they were family members? I don't know anything about how witnesses were chosen. Another thing to add to the confusion (sorry) is that all of the St. Francois family were killed on 2 Oct 1813 except for Pelagie (mother) and daughter Scholastique (my ancestor). According to Fr. Christian Denissen, "Genealogy of the French Families of the Detroit River Region 1701-1936," the family were "scalped by the Indians." I don't speak or read French so I had the burial records translated and nowhere does Fr. Gabriel Richard state they were "scalped." Does anyone know if there are more records out there that would indicate they were scalped????? The dates of their deaths are close to the day Tecumseh died (5 Oct 1813). They all lived in Monguagon (now Trenton) Michigan. I do not know if Pelagie remarried or where she went after her family's deaths. I could never find any records if she remarried. I have Scholastica in the Monroe, Michigan 1850 Census married and have had no trouble tracing her to me. Sorry for the lengthy and confusing post. I know I have lots of questions and like I said, I have hit a brick wall. Anything, and I mean anything, you can suggest would be wonderful to me. Thank you!!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.