Maybe the Citation here might shed some light on where Philip died.  Sir Philip Le Despenser M, b. circa 1365, d. 20 June 1424      He married Elizabeth De Tibetot.1 Philip was born circa 1365.1 Philip died on 20 June 1424.1 Child of Sir Philip Le Despenser and Elizabeth De Tibetot * Margery Despenser+ d. c 1478 Citations 1. [S39] Frederick Lewis Weis and Jr. assisted by: David Faris with additions and Corrections by: Walter Lee Sheppard, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists~who came to New England between 1623 and 1650 The lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their Descendants , pg 165. ________________________________ From: Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:20:51 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo: Help with abbreviations The one with "spms" is Philip Despenser, titled Baron Despenser, born about 1365 of Nettleshead, Suffolk, England.  The "spms" is in the death place field. The one with "spm" is Robert Tiptoft, titled Baron Tybotot, born about 1340 also of Nettleshead.  The "spm" is in the death place field. I looked them both up in nFS, and amongst the many combinations, both abbreviations show, so that means that it must have come from AF or PRF, right? Does this help? Joan in NC On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jorge Todeschini < jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > Maybe the Latin is not "out to lunch." Who put the abbreviations there? > They > might not have known what it meant, either, and just assumed it might be a > place. Or they might have known, but could not think of another place to > put > (such as source or notes). > > I think it boils down to "where did this information come from?" > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peter" <Family.History.Research@shaw.ca> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:27 PM > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo:  Help with abbreviations > >  > At 07:51 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: > >>OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name > >>fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what > >>place SPMS or SPM might be. > >>      David, San Diego District > >> > >>---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > >> > > SPMS > >> > > SPM > >>and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > >>      They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at.  It > >> doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's > why > >> I asked the list.  Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. > >>      Joan in NC > > > > Joan, maybe if you let us know the surnames and other places for this > > family maybe that will provide clues or at least will narrow down the > > possibilities? > > > > > > Groetjes > > Peter > > > >                                  "Dutch Indians wear wooden moccasins" > >                                                - Fred J. Eaglesmith > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message