But putting things in is not limited to the immediate relatives. I have some distant shirt tail kin that I've put in because I had the data. They're eligible for temple work by the standard of one year past death. They are not open to me yet as I don't have a close enough relationship to do them without either gaining permission (not easy to do since I don't know their family), so it's there for a closer relative, or when the time is expired, if nobody else has done it, I'll do it. Thing is, when I have complete data on some of these people, I'd rather have it where people can find it and maybe do their temple work. While my health issues are not, at present, life threatening, I also know that sometimes things can change in a big hurry. If such is the case that I can't after the expiration into open to do without closer relatives permission, the data is where someone can find it someday. I just wish I could do something about my growing list of "no known survivors" out of my obituary extractions. Karen In a message dated 4/10/2009 12:21:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hwhitcomb@gmail.com writes: Susanne brings up an interesting point. I remember going with the youth in my Ward and watching (and crying a bit) as a proxy was baptized for my grandmother. It was a great experience for me.. and for the other youth I later did the confirmation. It's a shame that I did not think ahead and reserve the work for my grandmother's siblings. There will have to be some controls in the software in nFS in the future to prevent such family squabbling (in this case between me and some distant cousins).. Until then.. (1) trick the system - but do the work after waiting one year or (2) don't submit to nFS until ready to do the work yourself. Alan W. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, <susanne@katskraft.com> wrote: > My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able to > do > his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, to > bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his > information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already > completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and many > of > her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled to > Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous > experience > . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track > sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well as > the dead. > > Just my little take on what's been discussed. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > > > Please do not misunderstand me. > > I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think > I > was. > > I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by > the > daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. > > The daughter still has the rights of precedence. > > Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that > the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. > > The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right > to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system > until after the one year period. > > I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. > > I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to > go > to the person we are struggling with about a matter. > > We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work > it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple > department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps > another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put > forth in a compassionate and logical way. > > Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to > her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the > letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, > the > presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. > > In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking > if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this > cousin. > > Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the > person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. > Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that > there > isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > > Oh, please! > > I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple > work for my own mother (or father). 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Dear All I have only recently subscribed to LSD-WC and I have found it fascinating reading your contributions. It really gives me a feeling of belonging to a whole host of 'family' out there whose aims are the same as mine. I am still trying to get members onto nFS, let alone sort out who is going to do the work for their parents; so to get ahead with the problems that might come up is very helpful. I subscribe to what Karen says about putting in those who are not your immediate line relatives so that those closer relatives in their searches benefit from your data. While Temple ordinances are our prime reason for doing this work, on the way to achieving that is the linking with those living who have a connection with us in some way. The how? when? and where? really only evolve as one does the work ....is that not true? I look forward to being instructed further through this particular medium. Thanks Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sahara346@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > But putting things in is not limited to the immediate relatives. I have > some distant shirt tail kin that I've put in because I had the data. > They're eligible for temple work by the standard of one year past death. > They > are not open to me yet as I don't have a close enough relationship to do > them > without either gaining permission (not easy to do since I don't know their > family), so it's there for a closer relative, or when the time is expired, > if nobody else has done it, I'll do it. Thing is, when I have complete > data on some of these people, I'd rather have it where people can find it > and > maybe do their temple work. While my health issues are not, at present, > life threatening, I also know that sometimes things can change in a big > hurry. If such is the case that I can't after the expiration into open > to do > without closer relatives permission, the data is where someone can find > it > someday. > > I just wish I could do something about my growing list of "no known > survivors" out of my obituary extractions. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 4/10/2009 12:21:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hwhitcomb@gmail.com writes: > > Susanne brings up an interesting point. I remember going with the youth > in > my Ward and watching (and crying a bit) as a proxy was baptized for my > grandmother. It was a great experience for me.. and for the other youth > I > later did the confirmation. It's a shame that I did not think ahead and > reserve the work for my grandmother's siblings. > > There will have to be some controls in the software in nFS in the future > to > prevent such family squabbling (in this case between me and some distant > cousins).. Until then.. (1) trick the system - but do the work after > waiting > one year or (2) don't submit to nFS until ready to do the work yourself. > > Alan W. > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, <susanne@katskraft.com> wrote: > >> My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able >> to >> do >> his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, > to >> bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his >> information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already >> completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and > many >> of >> her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled >> to >> Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous >> experience >> . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track >> sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well > as >> the dead. >> >> Just my little take on what's been discussed. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> >> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >> >> >> Please do not misunderstand me. >> >> I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't > think >> I >> was. >> >> I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by >> the >> daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. >> >> The daughter still has the rights of precedence. >> >> Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and >> that >> the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. >> >> The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the > right >> to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the > system >> until after the one year period. >> >> I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. >> >> I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us >> to >> go >> to the person we are struggling with about a matter. >> >> We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot > work >> it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and >> temple >> department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, >> perhaps >> another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put >> forth in a compassionate and logical way. >> >> Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter >> to >> her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward > the >> letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, >> the >> presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. >> >> In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and > asking >> if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this >> cousin. >> >> Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the >> person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that > opportunity. >> Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that >> there >> isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. >> >> Mary Scott >> Northville Ward >> Westland Michigan Stake >> >> Detroit Michigan Temple >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >> >> Oh, please! >> >> I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do >> temple >> work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. >> >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************Worried about job security? 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