Sometimes I have seen submissions on NFS for people who have not been dead a year. They are marked "not available" and no one can clear them. Was the mother a member? If so, she will be in NFS for everyone to see once the death date is entered. If she wasn't a member, then the cousin has to enter her information. This still would not give the cousin the right to do the ordinances. Perhaps the sister should ask to talk to someone who is a supervisor at New FamilySearch. Meanwhile, she could express my love and admiration to the cousin. Before tempers and feathers fly, tell this cousin how much she appreciates the interest she has on doing her mother's work. Then the friend should explain to the cousin that because this is her own mother, the friend needs to do the work herself -- particularly since she wants to be sealed to her parents. I would also put the cousins name on the prayer roll and/or pray and fast for her. She is definitely out of bounds in trying to do the mother's work. Nonetheless I think that the cousin should be lovingly taught about rights of precedence and waiting for a year after someone dies. This is an example of how the adversary uses family history and temple work to cause contention and hard feelings between  members. Hope my feedback helps out in this situation. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake   ________________________________ From: Gay Davis grdavis@centurytel.net I have a ward member who wants to do her mother's temple work.  ...

Those are good thoughts, Mary. The mother was of another faith but wanted her daughter to do her temple work. Her name and vitals have been entered into nfs by the cousin, including the death date. I don't think there is any way around this unless talking to the cousin as you suggest or taking with someone in Salt Lake is helpful. These situations are unfortunate. The ward member sobbed as she told me of her dilemma. She was very close to her mother. It reminded me of the importance of getting permission from next of kin before submitting names for temple work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Sometimes I have seen submissions on NFS for people who have not been dead a year. They are marked "not available" and no one can clear them. Was the mother a member? If so, she will be in NFS for everyone to see once the death date is entered. If she wasn't a member, then the cousin has to enter her information. This still would not give the cousin the right to do the ordinances. Perhaps the sister should ask to talk to someone who is a supervisor at New FamilySearch. Meanwhile, she could express my love and admiration to the cousin. Before tempers and feathers fly, tell this cousin how much she appreciates the interest she has on doing her mother's work. Then the friend should explain to the cousin that because this is her own mother, the friend needs to do the work herself -- particularly since she wants to be sealed to her parents. I would also put the cousins name on the prayer roll and/or pray and fast for her. She is definitely out of bounds in trying to do the mother's work. Nonetheless I think that the cousin should be lovingly taught about rights of precedence and waiting for a year after someone dies. This is an example of how the adversary uses family history and temple work to cause contention and hard feelings between members. Hope my feedback helps out in this situation. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake ________________________________ From: Gay Davis grdavis@centurytel.net I have a ward member who wants to do her mother's temple work. ... Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, please! I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:20 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > Sometimes I have seen submissions on NFS for people who have not been dead > a year. They are marked "not available" and no one can clear them. > > Was the mother a member? > > If so, she will be in NFS for everyone to see once the death date is > entered. > > If she wasn't a member, then the cousin has to enter her information. This > still would not give the cousin the right to do the ordinances. > > Perhaps the sister should ask to talk to someone who is a supervisor at > New FamilySearch. > > Meanwhile, she could express my love and admiration to the cousin. Before > tempers and feathers fly, tell this cousin how much she appreciates the > interest she has on doing her mother's work. Then the friend should > explain to the cousin that because this is her own mother, the friend > needs to do the work herself -- particularly since she wants to be sealed > to her parents. > > I would also put the cousins name on the prayer roll and/or pray and fast > for her. She is definitely out of bounds in trying to do the mother's > work. > > Nonetheless I think that the cousin should be lovingly taught about rights > of precedence and waiting for a year after someone dies. > > This is an example of how the adversary uses family history and temple > work to cause contention and hard feelings between members. > > Hope my feedback helps out in this situation. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gay Davis grdavis@centurytel.net > > I have a ward member who wants to do her mother's temple work. ... > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please do not misunderstand me. I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think I was. I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by the daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. The daughter still has the rights of precedence. Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system until after the one year period. I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to go to the person we are struggling with about a matter. We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put forth in a compassionate and logical way. Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, the presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this cousin. Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that there isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple   ________________________________ From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Oh, please! I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying.