You can find the Latin word list at familysearch.org by the following link. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=WLLatin.asp SueM David wrote: > Without knowing the context this is just a guess: > > SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies there were female children. > > SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add surviving. This implies there were male children that died. > > If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 "Latin for Genealogical Research". > > David, San Diego District > ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > SPMS > SPM > >

They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. Joan in NC On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Sue Maxwell <smaxwl@earthlink.net> wrote: > You can find the Latin word list at familysearch.org by the following > link. > > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=WLLatin.asp > > SueM > > David wrote: > > Without knowing the context this is just a guess: > > > > SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies > there were female children. > > > > SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add > surviving. This implies there were male children that died. > > > > If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 > "Latin for Genealogical Research". > > > > David, San Diego District > > ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > > > SPMS > > SPM > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was contributed to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who lives in Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very happy to work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until she has access? Doris Bateman

At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was contributed >to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who lives in >Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very happy to >work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until she has >access? > >Doris Bateman No and yes. No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" Yes she has to wait. Groetjes Peter At least egoist don't gossip.......

Doris, you could contact her and ask her. She would need to give you her last five digits of her membership number to do that. But it is possible. That way the correction would show as her name also. There will not be contact info for her changes until she gains access, just like you already discovered. SueM DORIS BATEMAN wrote: > Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was contributed to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who lives in Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very happy to work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until she has access? > > Doris Bateman > >

Doris You can not sign in as a helper to have her claim her contribution. If you do, the person signing in as the helper ends up claiming it. I already did this one. I was the helper and we had to have Salt Lake take me off and the person that wanted to claim her contributions had to wait until our temple went live with nFS. The person claiming has to be registered in nFS. Hope this helps! Christine Las Vegas, NV > From: Jenealogist66@msn.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:52:57 -0600 > Subject: [LDS-WC] NFS question > > Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was contributed to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who lives in Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very happy to work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until she has access? > > Doris Bateman > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009

Some of my relatives used the place fields in PAF very creatively--one used it to record the wills she found and the dates, instead of putting them in sources and notes, and one relative, if she did not know where someone was from, put "Lost" in the place field. Others, knowing the ancestor was from Dorset, England, added that info. So AF, PRF, and NFS have a lot of my people recorded as being from Lost, Dorset, England; Lost, Malmo, Sweden; Lost, Yorkshire, England; etc. ( none of which have ever existed.) I can laugh now about how hard I looked for those places until I suddenly realized what had happened. I would suspect that your abbreviations are someone's personal shorthand for something they knew about the person and might not even relate to a geographical place you can identify. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter<mailto:Family.History.Research@shaw.ca> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo: Help with abbreviations At 07:51 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name >fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what >place SPMS or SPM might be. > David, San Diego District > >---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com<mailto:joanie13@gmail.com>> wrote: >Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > > SPMS > > > SPM >and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com<mailto:joanie13@gmail.com>> wrote: > They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It > doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why > I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. > Joan in NC Joan, maybe if you let us know the surnames and other places for this family maybe that will provide clues or at least will narrow down the possibilities? Groetjes Peter "Dutch Indians wear wooden moccasins" - Fred J. Eaglesmith Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what place SPMS or SPM might be. David, San Diego District P.S. Sue Maxwell, Thanks for the on-line Latin Location ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > SPMS > > SPM and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. Joan in NC > David wrote: > > Without knowing the context this is just a guess: SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies there were female children. > > SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add surviving. This implies there were male children that died. > > > > If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 "Latin for Genealogical Research". > > David, San Diego District On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Sue Maxwell <smaxwl@earthlink.net> wrote: > You can find the Latin word list at familysearch.org by the following > link. > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=WLLatin.asp > > SueM

At 07:51 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name >fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what >place SPMS or SPM might be. > David, San Diego District > >---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: >Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > > SPMS > > > SPM >and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It > doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why > I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. > Joan in NC Joan, maybe if you let us know the surnames and other places for this family maybe that will provide clues or at least will narrow down the possibilities? Groetjes Peter "Dutch Indians wear wooden moccasins" - Fred J. Eaglesmith

To Peter--thanks for the answers to my question. To Paula--My understanding is that changes can not be made directly to the ancestral file, but when that error shows up in New Family Search, it can be changed by the person who submitted it, if they claim the Ancestral File contribution, which is called a Legacy contribution in NFS. But that is assuming the error wasn't copied and submitted by a zillion other people. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Goodfellow<mailto:sootica@mac.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] NFS question Can anyone make changes to problems from Ancestral File? I thought it was only Pedigree Resource File stuff that could be changed, after you've claimed the submission as your own. But it's been awhile since I checked into it. Paula On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Peter wrote: > At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was >> contributed >> to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who >> lives in >> Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very >> happy to >> work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >> possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >> contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until >> she has >> access? >> >> Doris Bateman > > No and yes. > No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" > Yes she has to wait. > > > Groetjes > Peter > > At least egoist don't gossip....... > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You might be very right. But the impression I got from the help people once was that ancestral file was so messed up that those couldn't be changed. And, my guess is that many of those submitters are no longer with us-- of course their descendants could claim the submissions. Paula On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:32 AM, DORIS BATEMAN wrote: > To Paula--My understanding is that changes can not be made directly > to the ancestral file, but when that error shows up in New Family > Search, it can be changed by the person who submitted it, if they > claim the Ancestral File contribution, which is called a Legacy > contribution in NFS. But that is assuming the error wasn't copied > and submitted by a zillion other people

Hi. I am trying to clean up some NFS records, and have found something that is just so wrong. A whole family, the children born 1776-1790 had their temple baptisms done in the Salt lake Temple in 1928. All of the children show death dates in NFS that are the date the temple baptism was done, making them about 180 years old when they died. For several of the children, we do not have a correct death date, so you can not change it in the summary. This just makes the record so wrong--do you think I should dispute it, send it on to Feedback, or just not worry about it? Doris Bateman

I think we should always keep in mind that someday nfs or its successor will be open to the general public. We should really try to make it as accurate and reliable a source as possible. So I'd dispute it, and send it on to Feedback. But, do we know what will happen with the data in nfs if it's replaced with familytree or whatever the plan is? Will all the corrections we've made be passed along? Paula On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:55 PM, DORIS BATEMAN wrote: > Hi. I am trying to clean up some NFS records, and have found > something that is just so wrong. A whole family, the children born > 1776-1790 had their temple baptisms done in the Salt lake Temple in > 1928. All of the children show death dates in NFS that are the date > the temple baptism was done, making them about 180 years old when > they died. For several of the children, we do not have a correct > death date, so you can not change it in the summary. This just > makes the record so wrong--do you think I should dispute it, send it > on to Feedback, or just not worry about it? > > Doris Bateman > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message