Bring the kids to the netherlands, our ward has a youth baptism every month (on Thursday) and most of them bring their own names, you can do 5 temple names but 15-20 own names, same goes for confirmation. We have some new converts and the first 2 times they did temple names and now they are bringing their own, they love fam. Hist. and doing baptisms (they are adults)as soon as new adults are being baptized into the Church they (missionaries or bishop) introduce them to me properly as the consultant and from there on I work with them they love doing the work and I love their enthousiasm! They can't wait to be endowed they feel the spirit very strong and testify that every 1st Sunday! The problem in our temple is that many who have been called as worker do not follow their commitment! I've enjoyed and learned a lot from this conversation. Just my 2 cents Alie from the Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com Sent: donderdag 4 juni 2009 3:48 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 246 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Youth temple work (Jill N. Crandell) 2. Re: Youth temple work (RAY FRIESS) 3. Re: Youth temple work (JCBrooks@aol.com) 4. Re: Youth temple work (JCBrooks@aol.com) 5. Re: Youth temple work (RAY FRIESS) 6. Re: Youth temple work (Sahara346@aol.com) 7. Re: Youth temple work (Jill N. Crandell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:30:32 -0600 From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FA90DB5490CE40FA9A5FDD6FE7557A0A@JILLS0033000064> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Michele wrote: "It seems to me that some areas suffer who are not yet on NFS. When your temple is on NFS, the REGULAR stake assignments have adequate names to pull from as the temple downloads the expected need." The reality is that all temples are different, which is partly what I have been trying to communicate in support of David's request for temple cards for a youth temple trip. I live in Provo, and you have to realize that not only do we have a large number of youth growing up here who want to attend the temple, but we also have literally thousands (tens of thousands?) of single BYU and Utah Valley University students who are taught to attend the temple regularly. Until they are endowed, they are going to the baptistry. This is not an nFS issue, and I don't believe nFS will solve the problem. It seems to me that the Provo Temple downloads baptisms based on the number of endowments that can be done, and that is far lower than the number of baptisms that we have a demand for. A number of years ago the missionaries at the MTC were told that they could no longer perform baptisms, in order to save the baptistry names for those who are still unendowed. The baptisms were moving so rapidly that the names were sitting for years before the endowments could be performed. It's just the nature of the demographics in our temple district. The baptistry is now open fewer hours than the rest of the temple, and our regular stake assignments aren't even close to "enough" for our kids to attend the temple. Our assignment is for 10 kids, once a year. Yes, there are five names per proxy each year, but we have many more kids than this who want to attend the temple, and they want to go more regularly than once a year. They definitely want to go more than once in all of their six Mutual years. The youth leaders are trying to meet that need and encourage this positive desire, but it is very difficult to produce the number of names needed. If a group of kids wants to attend the temple outside of their regular assignment, they have to bring the cards. That's the rule. I was interested in the comment that it's hard to get adults to go to the baptistry. Based on the problem we have, adults feel guilty if they go to the baptistry! We feel like we need to give our kids that experience rather than being "selfish" and wanting to do it ourselves. I joined into this conversation, because I think we have a potential to help each other. If you or your ward members are having trouble getting baptisms done, or if you are sending them to the temple file rather than do them yourselves, please consider sending them to someone in Utah to share with their local youth. Personally, I would love to send my kids and their friends to the temple each week throughout the summer. They could help anyone who would like to give and receive that service. I also agree that we are not doing work for names but for people, but changing the word "names" to "people who need their ordinances performed" or something like that to avoid confusion with proxies and other "people" I'm referring to, I find it easier to say "names." :-) Jill Crandell ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:40 -0600 From: RAY FRIESS <rayfrijr@msn.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: lds-ward-consultant <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY139-W2692C41EEC683D8A93DC35CA4A0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At the Salt Lake Temple, those who are baptized for the dead are usually limited to five or six names per person. That was instituted a long time ago, partly because, as I was told, the number of baptisms done were far outnumbering the number of endowments being done. So they cut back on the number of baptisms per person to try and get things evened out a bit, which they never have succeeded in doing. A lot of adults do feel guilty because they feel they are taking away from the youth if the adults do any baptisms, but I try to educate them that that is NOT the case. When an adult does the baptising, he can always be baptised himself by the next adult coming into the font to baptize. And the women usually have no more of a reason than they dont want to get their hair wet. To me, that's just a case of not understanding or having a testimony of the work. I can sympathize with you in the Provo area having a lot of unendowed youth and young adults for baptisms. While we dont have that problem in our stake to the same extent, I frequently get requests from the youth leaders in my own ward as well as in OTHER wards in the stake for family names. That's because the word has gotten out that my parents were the only ones in my line to joing the church. They are now on the other side of the veil, and since I took over researching my lines, I have found over 3 thousand ancestors that I have qualified for temple ordinances. So, knowing that, I often get calls asking for family names when the temple requires family names for certain sessions our youth go on for baptisms. For a long time I was supplying names, because there is no way I can do all this work myself. However, recently I started politely declining because I thought that the temple requiring family names MIGHT inspire more members in the stake to get going on their own research instead of easily relying on me for family names. It remains to be seen whether I am right or not. Personally, I love not only DOING the baptising, but also being baptised myself, especially if it is for my own ancestors. Before the 5 name limit was instituted and I was a veil worker in the Salt Lake Temple, I would often fill time by baptizing. On some occasions I would be in the font for over an hour baptising those who came and would officiate for a couple hundred names before getting out of the font. If adults are educated AND they are helped to get the Spirit of Elijah, they will realize that they can and should be baptized and they will WANT to as well. But, as long as we are at only about 5 percent of church members who even do ANY family history work, that isnt going to change much. > From: jncrandell@broadweave.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:30:32 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work > > Michele wrote: > "It seems to me that some areas suffer who are not yet on NFS. When your > temple is on NFS, the REGULAR stake assignments have adequate names to pull > from as the temple downloads the expected need." > > The reality is that all temples are different, which is partly what I have > been trying to communicate in support of David's request for temple cards > for a youth temple trip. I live in Provo, and you have to realize that not > only do we have a large number of youth growing up here who want to attend > the temple, but we also have literally thousands (tens of thousands?) of > single BYU and Utah Valley University students who are taught to attend the > temple regularly. Until they are endowed, they are going to the baptistry. > This is not an nFS issue, and I don't believe nFS will solve the problem. It > seems to me that the Provo Temple downloads baptisms based on the number of > endowments that can be done, and that is far lower than the number of > baptisms that we have a demand for. > > A number of years ago the missionaries at the MTC were told that they could > no longer perform baptisms, in order to save the baptistry names for those > who are still unendowed. The baptisms were moving so rapidly that the names > were sitting for years before the endowments could be performed. It's just > the nature of the demographics in our temple district. The baptistry is now > open fewer hours than the rest of the temple, and our regular stake > assignments aren't even close to "enough" for our kids to attend the temple. > Our assignment is for 10 kids, once a year. Yes, there are five names per > proxy each year, but we have many more kids than this who want to attend the > temple, and they want to go more regularly than once a year. They definitely > want to go more than once in all of their six Mutual years. The youth > leaders are trying to meet that need and encourage this positive desire, but > it is very difficult to produce the number of names needed. If a group of > kids wants to attend the temple outside of their regular assignment, they > have to bring the cards. That's the rule. > > I was interested in the comment that it's hard to get adults to go to the > baptistry. Based on the problem we have, adults feel guilty if they go to > the baptistry! We feel like we need to give our kids that experience rather > than being "selfish" and wanting to do it ourselves. I joined into this > conversation, because I think we have a potential to help each other. If you > or your ward members are having trouble getting baptisms done, or if you are > sending them to the temple file rather than do them yourselves, please > consider sending them to someone in Utah to share with their local youth. > Personally, I would love to send my kids and their friends to the temple > each week throughout the summer. They could help anyone who would like to > give and receive that service. > > I also agree that we are not doing work for names but for people, but > changing the word "names" to "people who need their ordinances performed" or > something like that to avoid confusion with proxies and other "people" I'm > referring to, I find it easier to say "names." :-) > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:14:11 EDT From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d69.42fa63cb.375879e3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Jill I think this percentage of unendowed v. endowed is the same all over the church. (Remember BYU/UVSU also have a ton of returned missionaries.) What compounds it is every youth does 15 names in a time period generally equal to one endowment. So one youth baptism assignment per day with 20 youth (generous for some wards) participating would give 300 names ready for initiatory and endowment. I'm sure the Provo Temple easily does more than 300 endowments in a day. Even our small temple probably averages 250-300 (9 sessions times 53 seat max..and midday not full to capacity). So if the temple can only baptize 300 and the patrons can do multiples of that in initiatory and endowments, then NFS drawdowns would be a big help both ways in those temples. Am I missing something? Michele In a message dated 6/3/2009 3:31:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: It seems to me that the Provo Temple downloads baptisms based on the number of endowments that can be done, and that is far lower than the number of baptisms that we have a demand for. **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:15:33 EDT From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <be6.4ded70ea.37587a35@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I read this and that comment by Jill after I posted. Wow. Our temple does about 15 names per youth. And our wards get 2-3 assignments a year. Bring your kids to California!! :-) Michele In a message dated 6/3/2009 4:02:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rayfrijr@msn.com writes: At the Salt Lake Temple, those who are baptized for the dead are usually limited to five or six names per person. **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:29:22 -0600 From: RAY FRIESS <rayfrijr@msn.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: lds-ward-consultant <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY139-W61B917919F6775C14B72CCA4B0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not to take away from or denigrate any temple district, but you may be allowed more in your temple district because the number of endowments being done are not lagging behind the number of baptisms. Remember, the membership in Utah and Salt Lake City is much more heavily populated by members than other areas of the country, so other temples may be more closely matched on the number of endowments and baptisms being done. Here, for some reason, the baptisms are done more often and by more members ... especially the youth ... then endowments being done by the adults. It's strange ... but appears to be true, even though we are getting two new temples here in the valley. > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:15:33 -0400 > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work > > I read this and that comment by Jill after I posted. Wow. Our temple > does about 15 names per youth. And our wards get 2-3 assignments a year. > > Bring your kids to California!! :-) > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/3/2009 4:02:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > rayfrijr@msn.com writes: > > At the Salt Lake Temple, those who are baptized for the dead are usually > limited to five or six names per person. > > **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.d > oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:40:13 EDT From: Sahara346@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d06.5615fb8e.37587ffd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Our kids get about three or four sessions a year for baptisms here in Nebraska too, and we're try to get our new members in at the same time so that they can experience the Temple as well. Our ward has considerably fewer youth than most wards, but there's about the same number of Temple trips scheduled for all the wards in the area. Karen In a message dated 6/3/2009 8:21:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JCBrooks@aol.com writes: I read this and that comment by Jill after I posted. Wow. Our temple does about 15 names per youth. And our wards get 2-3 assignments a year. Bring your kids to California!! :-) Michele In a message dated 6/3/2009 4:02:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rayfrijr@msn.com writes: At the Salt Lake Temple, those who are baptized for the dead are usually limited to five or six names per person. **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:48:07 -0600 From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8009F1F118C64CF5ACB8BC6364A22D7B@JILLS0033000064> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Michele wrote: So one youth baptism assignment per day with 20 youth (generous for some wards) participating would give 300 names ready for initiatory and endowment. I'm sure the Provo Temple easily does more than 300 endowments in a day. Even our small temple probably averages 250-300. The assignments are different from what you are thinking. Absolutely, the Provo Temple does more than 300 endowments a day. However, you are assuming one youth baptism assignment per day. When our 10 kids arrive to do their 50 names (they only get 5 per person), there is a group in the font area and one in the chapel area waiting. By the time they leave, there is another group in the chapel behind them and another arriving at the recommend desk. There are multiple group assignments every day, in addition to walk-ins for family file. I don't know at this point if Provo does more baptisms than endowments each day. I suspect it is more in balance because of the rules that are in place, but the font is open an average of about 13 hours per day. That's a lot of baptisms! Jill Crandell ------------------------------ To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 246 ***************************************************