I reviewed the links below and was astonished at what I read in the first one. It states two different things. First it states that unnamed children should be referred to as "Son" or "Daughter". Then, in Implemented Rules #5 below that, it states that the new FamilySearch checks for valid names if it is a single name. "Son" and "Daughter" are not valid names. No. 6 states that it checks for a relationship description in the surname. Again, it states (again) that "Son" and "Daughter" are invalid. I also spoke to the recorder at the Mesa Temple where we work. He showed me what it states in "A Member's Guide to Temple and Family History Work" page 10. It states there that if a wife's given and maiden names are not known to write "Mrs." plus the husband's name. When a child's name is not known, record the child's sex and the father's surname. Descriptions are NEVER used as part of a person's name. The recorder was shocked that some insist on using "Son" or "Daughter". He also stated that in these cases they should be referred to as "Miss" or "Mister". I also asked, to clarify, if this was Mesa Temple policy or Church policy. Since it is in the above referenced guide it is Church, worldwide, policy. Amy Griffin Paulden Ward Prescott Stake > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:48 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named wives/mothers > > https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/781/106565_f.SAL_Member.html > https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/170/100380_f.SAL_Member.html > > These are for those submissions with no names, or no given names. > > These were referred to by support in my case of several un-named infants > who died before they had Catholic rites of baptisms giving them the names. > > The references failed in my case because all of my entries exceeded the > requirements. > > The support called me this morning to give me good news, whatever was > blocking the submissions were cleared to allow the submissions for sealings. > > W. David Samuelsen > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is my opinion that one of the main points of the resolution links below is UNLESS THE PERSON IS OTHERWISE UNIQUELY IDENTIFIED and the source given is THE FIRST PRESIDENCY. The resolution states: "It is the decision of the First Presidency that ordinances are not valid if the given name of the person is not known, unless the person is otherwise uniquely identified." Now that we are able to link individuals to each other when submitting for temple work, we may be able to establish a son, daughter, Miss, Mister or Mrs. as unique person if we are not able to find the given name in our research. This should not make us lazy in our research but only used if after reasonable effort has been made to find the given name and the given name cannot be found. I believe that guideline is still trying to say that these are not valid given names AND without a father or family that will uniquely identify them that we can only use given names. It is my opinion, but I could be wrong, that when Bro. Samuelson changed the son and daughter to sohn and tochter for German records that the computer believed these were proper given names and accepted them as such. I do not think that the program was smart enough to realize that it was simply son and daughter in German. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amy griffin Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:58 PM To: LDS Ward Consultants Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named wives/mothers I reviewed the links below and was astonished at what I read in the first one. It states two different things. First it states that unnamed children should be referred to as "Son" or "Daughter". Then, in Implemented Rules #5 below that, it states that the new FamilySearch checks for valid names if it is a single name. "Son" and "Daughter" are not valid names. No. 6 states that it checks for a relationship description in the surname. Again, it states (again) that "Son" and "Daughter" are invalid. I also spoke to the recorder at the Mesa Temple where we work. He showed me what it states in "A Member's Guide to Temple and Family History Work" page 10. It states there that if a wife's given and maiden names are not known to write "Mrs." plus the husband's name. When a child's name is not known, record the child's sex and the father's surname. Descriptions are NEVER used as part of a person's name. The recorder was shocked that some insist on using "Son" or "Daughter". He also stated that in these cases they should be referred to as "Miss" or "Mister". I also asked, to clarify, if this was Mesa Temple policy or Church policy. Since it is in the above referenced guide it is Church, worldwide, policy. Amy Griffin Paulden Ward Prescott Stake > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:48 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named wives/mothers > > https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/781/106565_f.SAL_Member.html > https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/170/100380_f.SAL_Member.html > > These are for those submissions with no names, or no given names. > > These were referred to by support in my case of several un-named infants > who died before they had Catholic rites of baptisms giving them the names. > > The references failed in my case because all of my entries exceeded the > requirements. > > The support called me this morning to give me good news, whatever was > blocking the submissions were cleared to allow the submissions for sealings. > > W. David Samuelsen > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message