The words had to be in that language to be accepted as such. These children already have all and more unique identifications (full name of father, full name of mother, full date of birth, full date of death, full name of birthplace, full name of death place and the birth and death records were very specific.) So unique there can be no mistakes herein. But the nFS rejected son and daughter, do not recognize mister or miss because they're not in German! It has to be sohn and tochter to be accepted for sealings. This is what in phone call from headquarters. Duh! David Samuelsen > It is my opinion that one of the main points of the resolution links below > is UNLESS THE PERSON IS OTHERWISE UNIQUELY IDENTIFIED and the source given > is THE FIRST PRESIDENCY. > > The resolution states: "It is the decision of the First Presidency that > ordinances are not valid if the given name of the person is not known, > unless the person is otherwise uniquely identified." > > Now that we are able to link individuals to each other when submitting for > temple work, we may be able to establish a son, daughter, Miss, Mister or > Mrs. as unique person if we are not able to find the given name in our > research. This should not make us lazy in our research but only used if > after reasonable effort has been made to find the given name and the given > name cannot be found. > > I believe that guideline is still trying to say that these are not valid > given names AND without a father or family that will uniquely identify > them > that we can only use given names. > > It is my opinion, but I could be wrong, that when Bro. Samuelson changed > the > son and daughter to sohn and tochter for German records that the computer > believed these were proper given names and accepted them as such. I do > not > think that the program was smart enough to realize that it was simply son > and daughter in German. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amy griffin > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:58 PM > To: LDS Ward Consultants > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named > wives/mothers > > > I reviewed the links below and was astonished at what I read in the first > one. It states two different things. First it states that unnamed children > should be referred to as "Son" or "Daughter". Then, in Implemented Rules > #5 > below that, it states that the new FamilySearch checks for valid names if > it > is a single name. "Son" and "Daughter" are not valid names. No. 6 states > that it checks for a relationship description in the surname. Again, it > states (again) that "Son" and "Daughter" are invalid. > > I also spoke to the recorder at the Mesa Temple where we work. He showed > me > what it states in "A Member's Guide to Temple and Family History Work" > page > 10. It states there that if a wife's given and maiden names are not known > to > write "Mrs." plus the husband's name. When a child's name is not known, > record the child's sex and the father's surname. Descriptions are NEVER > used > as part of a person's name. The recorder was shocked that some insist on > using "Son" or "Daughter". He also stated that in these cases they should > be > referred to as "Miss" or "Mister". I also asked, to clarify, if this was > Mesa Temple policy or Church policy. Since it is in the above referenced > guide it is Church, worldwide, policy. > > Amy Griffin > Paulden Ward > Prescott Stake > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:48 -0600 >> From: dsam52@sampubco.com >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LDS-WC] References for un-named children AND un-named > wives/mothers >> >> https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/781/106565_f.SAL_Member.html >> https://help.familysearch.org/publishing/170/100380_f.SAL_Member.html >> >> These are for those submissions with no names, or no given names. >> >> These were referred to by support in my case of several un-named infants >> who died before they had Catholic rites of baptisms giving them the >> names. >> >> The references failed in my case because all of my entries exceeded the >> requirements. >> >> The support called me this morning to give me good news, whatever was >> blocking the submissions were cleared to allow the submissions for > sealings. >> >> W. 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