I am helping a young man in our ward put together a pedigree chart prior to leaving on a mission in July. His parents were married in the temple and he was BIC. All the work is done on both sides for his ancestors. However, his father has recently been excommunicated from the church. On the pedigree chart, should I leave the ordinances blank for his father or include them? I realize he is currently a non-member, but if I leave the ordinance information off it will appear as if the son is not sealed to his parents and they did not have a temple marriage. How does this affect the mother's temple sealing to her husband and the childrens' sealings to her? Also, will this pedigree chart without ordinances showing result in embarrassment for the young missionary? What is the proper thing to do in this situation? Thx. Gay Davis

I would leave the pedigree chart as it stands with the ordinances on it. It's a personal call. If his dad rejoins the church during his life time, his baptism date will be restored to the original date anyway. No need for embarrassment, let the young missionary be proud. No need for any explanation then either. Your heart is in the right place. Christine Las Vegas, Nevada, USA > From: grdavis@centurytel.net > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:32:26 -0700 > Subject: [LDS-WC] Pedigree Chart Information > > I am helping a young man in our ward put together a pedigree chart prior to leaving on a mission in July. His parents were married in the temple and he was BIC. All the work is done on both sides for his ancestors. However, his father has recently been excommunicated from the church. > > On the pedigree chart, should I leave the ordinances blank for his father or include them? I realize he is currently a non-member, but if I leave the ordinance information off it will appear as if the son is not sealed to his parents and they did not have a temple marriage. How does this affect the mother's temple sealing to her husband and the childrens' sealings to her? Also, will this pedigree chart without ordinances showing result in embarrassment for the young missionary? > > What is the proper thing to do in this situation? Thx. > > Gay Davis > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1

Just thought I'd pass the word that nFS is moving very fast in Utah/Idaho. The registered consultants in the Draper Utah temple district received emails today giving them early access to nFS and access to the training! I know that the Draper temple will have their software installed to handle FOR's on July 14th, so, I would bet we go live soon after that! SueM

That fits with what I was told by someone "in the know" in the Las Vegas Temple after I attended a session while on business there last week. I was told that the push is on to have all the remainder of the temples and stakes in Idaho and Utah up and going by the end of July. By the way .. I took a FOR to Las Vegas with me and used it when I went through the session there. The new procedure is FANTASTIC and soooooo easy. > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:38:21 -0600 > From: smaxwl@earthlink.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] Draper Temple early access to nFS > > Just thought I'd pass the word that nFS is moving very fast in > Utah/Idaho. The registered consultants in the Draper Utah temple > district received emails today giving them early access to nFS and > access to the training! I know that the Draper temple will have their > software installed to handle FOR's on July 14th, so, I would bet we go > live soon after that! > > SueM > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gay wrote: I am helping a young man in our ward put together a pedigree chart prior to leaving on a mission in July. His parents were married in the temple and he was BIC. All the work is done on both sides for his ancestors. However, his father has recently been excommunicated from the church. On the pedigree chart, should I leave the ordinances blank for his father or include them? I realize he is currently a non-member, but if I leave the ordinance information off it will appear as if the son is not sealed to his parents and they did not have a temple marriage. How does this affect the mother's temple sealing to her husband and the childrens' sealings to her? Also, will this pedigree chart without ordinances showing result in embarrassment for the young missionary? What is the proper thing to do in this situation? Thx. Gay, I have a couple of responses for you. First of all, think of this as a historical record. The past ordinances occurred, so they need to be recorded. If you leave them off, others will come and say your records are wrong and try to show you that they were performed. I keep a private note to myself about an excommunication, and then if it isn't taken care of during this lifetime, it will need to be resolved later. If the father returns to the Church, he will be rebaptized--and the baptism date will change. Then, the First Presidency will perform an ordinance called a restoration of blessings, and the original temple ordinances will be in force again. This is a situation where the baptism date will be after the ordinances, but they are all valid. Another reason to record all of the ordinances is exactly the issue you brought up. If you don't, it would look like the young man had never been sealed to his parents, and he has been. That ordinance is still in effect, regardless of the worthiness of his parents. We receive the blessing of an eternal family through the marriage sealing of our parents (if we are born in the covenant), but that covenant is still between the Lord and us. Elder Cree L. Kofford wrote a beautiful Ensign article in 1998 that I think should be mandatory reading for every member of the Church. He gives the plainest explanation of a marriage sealing and the various elements of that sealing that I have ever seen. It was titled, "Marriage in the Lord's Way, Part One," and it was published June 1998, starting on page 7. (There is also a second part.) He discusses four elements of the temple sealing: 1st Individual covenants and their associated blessings - Both the husband and the wife make individual covenants with our Heavenly Father and will receive individual blessings based on individual worthiness. These individual covenants remain in force, based on individual worthiness, even if the spouse later becomes unworthy. 2nd Joint covenants and blessings - The two individuals at the altar also make joint covenants with our Heavenly Father that are received jointly and are based on their joint worthiness. These promises are available to the couple as one and are received as a single unit. Both individuals in the couple need to be worthy to receive these blessings. 3rd Joining in celestial marriage - This element allows the couple to live as husband and wife, according to the laws of the land, but they are also united for eternity to form a new family unit that will last forever, if they are faithful. 4th Blessings for children born in the covenant - All children born after a marriage sealing are born into the covenant and are promised the blessing of an eternal family. They are entitled to the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant, which include the blessings of the Gospel, the priesthood, celestial marriage, and eternal life. Elder Kofford also said: "It is revealing to know that even if the two of you cease to be faithful in keeping the covenants you make in the temple, these blessings will still flow to your children." When parents who were sealed in the temple divorce, they do not impact the Lord's covenant with their children. It remains in force, and it needs to remain on the records that the children were born in the covenant. We can record a sealing as canceled (if it was), but that continues to acknowledge that it occurred and shows why the children were born in the covenant. Here's one more quote. President Joseph Fielding Smith has said: "We have the assurance that the Lord will reward every soul according to his or her works. He will judge each of us by the intent of the heart. . . . "If a man or a woman who has been sealed in the temple for time and eternity should sin and lose the right to receive the exaltation in the celestial kingdom, he or she could not retard the progress of the injured companion who had been faithful. Everyone will be judged according to his works, and there would be no justice in condemning the innocent for the sins of the guilty." Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, 176-7) I have a sacrament meeting talk I gave on this subject a couple of years ago. Since I have consistently tried to help others understand this concept of not losing individual blessings because of the unworthiness of others, I wrote it out entirely. I have it in PDF format and would be willing to share it with anyone who is interested. If you would like a copy, please respond to me privately so that we don't clog the email list. Hope this is helpful, Jill Crandell