David, I agree that this answer is clear. I personally keep a 3 by 5 index card that says: Persons born within the last 95 years Obtain permission from the closest living relative 2009/1914 Born with in the last 110 years Death date or knowledge of death required 2009/1899 Wait one year from death date to submit temple work Church Family History websites www.familysearch.org labs.familysearch.org new.familysearch.org My husband prints them out for me using 3 x 5 cards that will print 9 at a time from a computer and I put them out on the Family History table I have set up. To make it more clear for others I am thinking that I will add under born in the last 110 years if death date is not known to "also obtain permission from closest living relative." I went to the Help Center and under Training and Resources there is the same wording that we have been talking about in previous posts that we had a major discussion. I could not find it worded in the clear format that they sent you. What I found was a PDF file from the User's Guide and I am thinking that it is the same reference that I had made to the User's Guide previously in our past discussion. You can also access that information by just clicking on "How to Use Family Search" and going to the Guides on the Home Page of NFS. I would like to see them to post this answer to you in the Documents section so that it can be made more clear unless it really does exist somewhere that I could not find it. I have had somewhat heated discussions with my FH class with the members who do not think that they should be needing to obtain permission for the nearest living relative. I even had a phone call last Friday at the Columbus Office temple from a member who had just printed off a request for someone to do work for his brother who was born in the last 95 years. The mother is living and she asked if permission needed to be gotten from her as someone had mentioned it to her. I said that permission was needed from the living mother and then went and read the order of the listing for the 95 year rule. She said that she had not opened the document that says that you are agreeing with church policies. (I am thinking that she just assumed that she already knew the church policies.) She also said that she was just printing it for someone else. Even if she was just printing it for someone else the fact that she called me to ask about the policy meant that she was not aware of it. Somehow we need to get this urgent message to more members who when they see the word, "Ready" are off in a race to the finish line but don't really see signs and cautions that "The Work is Already Done". If you could reply to Support and ask them if the wording they sent you exists in the Guides, I would appreciate it. I could not find that. I would love to see it worded exactly the way they sent it to you so that members cannot misunderstand. Thanks for sharing, Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 08:29 PM To: LDS Ward Consultant Subject: [LDS-WC] 95/110 birth year rule - finally clear answer Finally got the reply to the question of 95/110 rule from birth date. 1. 95 years or less, must have permission from closest living relative. 2. 95 years to 110 years, if no death date is found, ordinances are delayed to 110 years and permission must be obtained from closest relative. Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support. The following are current temple submission policies related to your question: For individuals who have been born in the last 95 years, Church policy states that permission must be obtained from the closest living relative before submitting anyone born within the last 95 years. ("Temple and Family History Work," section 9 of the Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 2: Priesthood and Auxiliary Leaders [2006], 263). This would be in the following order: un-divorced spouse, adult children, parents, and siblings ("Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work," FamilySearch, 7). Please note, this date changes each year; for this year any individual who was born in 1914 or later requires permission. (The above-mentioned "Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work" is available as a printable PDF document in New FamilySearch. After logging on to New FamilySearch, select "Help Center" and "Overviews and Guides." It is listed as one of the "Guides.") Additionally, if there is no death date available, the length increases to 110 years. In other words, for those individuals with no death date, permission from the closest living relative must be obtained for those born within the last 110 years. (Currently, it would be anyone born 1899 or later.) These policies help ensure that living people are not accidentally submitted and also that the closest living relatives have the first opportunity to perform proxy work. They also help to ensure that the feelings of others are considered and relationships are not damaged by the work we do. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You left out one very important detail - death dates as explained in the ruling I posted. Nancy Scott wrote: > David, > > I agree that this answer is clear. I personally keep a 3 by 5 index card > that says: > > Persons born within the last 95 years > Obtain permission from the closest living relative > 2009/1914 Clarification - if already have death date. No permission required if over 95 years. > Born with in the last 110 years > Death date or knowledge of death required > 2009/1899 Clarification - 95 to 110 years, WITHOUT death date, still requires permission, no permission required if over 110 years. David Samuelsen

I have redone my 3x5 card because this being clear about the 95/110 year rules is so important to me and I do not want members to misunderstand the message. The redo is much more detailed but I am willing to sacrifice some to make a clearer message. Any comments suggestions are welcomed. I have it in 8 pt type that will fit a 3x5 card. I think for the most part that I am happy with the way it reads but still welcome responses and/or ideas from the group. To Submit Temple Work For: 1. Persons born within the last 95 years & death date is known, Obtain permission from the closest living relative, in order, Un-divorced spouse, adult children, parents, then siblings. Birth years 1915-2009 require above permission. 2. Persons born within the last 110 years, if death date is not Known, ordinances are delayed to 110 years & obtain permission. Birth years 1899-2009 require death known. 3. Most persons, wait one year from death date to submit. Church Family History Websites: New.FamilySearch.org, Labs.FamilySearch.org, www.FamilySearch.org The index card idea originally started out to help me because I did not want to refigure every time where dates fell for the 95/110 year rules. I then widened it to the first FH SS class that I taught at a help for them and lastly I have put them out on the FH table in the hall. I carry the card in my purse so that it is always handy for myself. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:36 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] 95/110 birth year rule - finally clear answer You left out one very important detail - death dates as explained in the ruling I posted. Nancy Scott wrote: > David, > > I agree that this answer is clear. I personally keep a 3 by 5 index card > that says: > > Persons born within the last 95 years > Obtain permission from the closest living relative > 2009/1914 Clarification - if already have death date. No permission required if over 95 years. > Born with in the last 110 years > Death date or knowledge of death required > 2009/1899 Clarification - 95 to 110 years, WITHOUT death date, still requires permission, no permission required if over 110 years. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message