Megan, That is a good point. I was helping a friend learn to sync with RootsMagic 4 last week and she had twins that were in NFS as Mr. and Miss and we were able to sync and search fine. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Megan Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 09:17 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! Please don't put "unnamed child" in to get around the system - the system will accept "Mr." or "Miss". When we see "unnamed child" at our Temple, we put a note on the cards for the patron the speak with the Recorder. Just last night I found the death certificate of a baby who lived 5 hours. She was unnamed, and the system took her as "Miss Cardstensen" just fine, so it does work and is appropriate. Megan Smith Las Vegas Nevada Temple District ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > This is very interesting. Once I found a _civil_ birth record, which > detailed the names of parents and grandparents with their origins... But > the > newborn was not named! I assume this happened because the boy would only > get > a name at baptism -- and he was baptized only a few days later. > > Brother Samuelsen, may I suggest you enter "unnamed child" as a name -- > only > to get around the system. > > Of course, if my suggestion becomes standard practice, the system may > start > suggesting that all the "unnamed children" be merged together. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:10 AM > To: "LDS Ward Consultant" <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > >> What I sent to Feedback..... >> >> I am seeing a few rejects because of the program glitch NOT recognizing >> unnamed sons and daughters >> >> "Needs More Information" >> >> Good grief! The only reason they did not get any given name is because >> the families were CATHOLIC. >> >> When a child die BEFORE they get the Catholic baptisms, they do NOT get >> given names, period. >> >> Please fix the glitch so I can seal those "rejected" children in my >> large German Catholic family. >> >> W. David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If we don't use Mr or Miss for the unnamed child, the temple's computer will designate the appropriate one before the family file card is printed. (This is another reason the proper gender needs to be selected.) We are told not to use descriptive words in place of names -- baby, son, daughter, unnamed child, etc. A surname and gender is enough to generate the proper "Mr" or "Miss" designation. If the individual needs more information to be sealed, look at the parents' ordinances. There is probably a reason found in their ordinances which prevent the system to process the child and thus the phrase "more information needed". New FamilySearch will not allow a child who died under the age of 8 years old to be sealed to their parents unless the parents' individual ordinances and sealing to spouse ordinances are completed. This is illustrated by patrons having a family in their reserve list. They choose the child and then the parents' individual and sealing ordinances are also marked with a check. Remove the child's checkmark and the checkmarks remain in the parents' boxes. Sometimes it helps to explore New FamilySearch and see what happens with the choices we make. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > If we don't use Mr or Miss for the unnamed child, the temple's computer will designate the appropriate one before the family file card is printed. (This is another reason the proper gender needs to be selected.) > > We are told not to use descriptive words in place of names -- baby, son, daughter, unnamed child, etc. A surname and gender is enough to generate the proper "Mr" or "Miss" designation. I already have surname, gender and parents, all in the right places. I tried "Edit" to see if I can get around this rejection, nothing to indiciate that it is unnamed child that is already known by all other identifications. It was not a problem when TempleReady was used in past. The record said Tochter or Sohn and surname, (German for daughter and son), name of parents, dates and place of birth and death). Already have complete information for parents for the ordinances along with the rest of their children. I am waiting for reply to the feedback I sent yesterday. Just remember that the German Catholic Church was very strict about the babies who died before they could be "baptized", they are rejected and no given names are listed. Simply not recorded in church records, not even mentioned in burial records and as the consequence the civil registration records are only records showing these un-named children. David Samuelsen > > If the individual needs more information to be sealed, look at the parents' ordinances. There is probably a reason found in their ordinances which prevent the system to process the child and thus the phrase "more information needed". > > New FamilySearch will not allow a child who died under the age of 8 years old to be sealed to their parents unless the parents' individual ordinances and sealing to spouse ordinances are completed. > > This is illustrated by patrons having a family in their reserve list. They choose the child and then the parents' individual and sealing ordinances are also marked with a check. Remove the child's checkmark and the checkmarks remain in the parents' boxes. > > Sometimes it helps to explore New FamilySearch and see what happens with the choices we make. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >