When you reserve names and have the youth in your ward do the baptisms, what do you do with the names afterwards? Do you release them to the all temples file? I have lots of names when the baptisms were done and nothing else. I wonder how many people only get that far and then get overwhelmed and do nothing!! Family history consultants ought to be assisting folks they have helped to complete the work in a timely manner. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 2:44:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks Tom, for your insight. The presenters at the conference were the two who straighten out the really knotty problems for folks. They gave the "Top Ten Mistakes..." session from which my notes originate. Whether names for myself or names for the temple, if I submit them, they all go into my one temple file to process and wait. I was told that male endowments given to the temple are taking about 2 years to complete. (They used to take longer, by the way. This is an improvement.) The "reasonable period of time" may be different for me if I move to the Antarctic compared to the Intermountain West. But when a questioner asked, they suggested a couple of months. I usually try for a six month supply to get me from one ward youth baptism to the next. I do not leave them on my list all that time, but re-select them as I need them. That's how I noticed that others have been completing them. What a blessing! Last year I worked with another submitter to take some of the names she had on her submission list. She was reducing it per the request of NFS due to problems she was experiencing with the program. She couldn't get a printout, one of the concerns the presenters mentioned. Her goal was to reduce from 4,000 to 200. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: temple ordinances (Jerry Cowley) 2. Re: temple ordinances (Tom Kemp) 3. Re: temple ordinances ([email protected]) 4. Re: temple ordinances (W David Samuelsen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:54:34 -0700 From: "Jerry Cowley" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting how this conversation has morphed. I know people who work and struggle for years to get any names for temple work. Others have names "pour out of the computer" so to speak. Our circumstances are not always alike. Two Rootsweb conference speakers reminded attendees that we should submit no more names than we can do in a "reasonable amount of time, probably a few months." If a researcher has dozens of temple-going family members or a supportive ward, they can probably get more names done than one who doesn't have that, but they cautioned us about having more than 200 names in the temple file at a time because of the difficulty it gives the program. For example, names may not print properly on an FOR. They urged us not to feel guilty about not being able to do all the work we find all at once. I have experimented by putting a few family names into the program without tapping them for temple work--or more than just baptism, etc.-- right away. Nearly half have already been picked up and completed. Conversely, I have also found names that were begun by others or through extraction that I've been able to complete. I would rather have the names waiting in the program than in my computer. It's one step closer for them. It's also an excellent way of making contact with other researchers. And if the names wait until the Millennium, the data is in place to support the effort when the time comes. I have also assisted people whose health is precarious, who have no immediate LDS family, with putting all their data into the program, rather than leave it in their own computer files should they die. They are attending the temple as often as their circumstances permit. We should not begin unauthorized extractions of lists of persons such as Holocaust victims. That is actively discouraged. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6876 (20120211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:09:45 -0500 From: Tom Kemp <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 OK. I have rechecked the current two publications on Family History - the "A Member's Guide..." and "To Turn the Hearts" Both speak of doing "all" work for our "ancestors" and our "kindred dead" Yes, we are talking about submitting only relatives - no self created extraction projects. There is no mention of limiting the flow of names. I have heard of not "reserving" more names than we can reasonably do ourselves through personal Temple attendance - but have never seen any instructions about not "submitting" names to the general Temple file (not reserved - simply entered in to nFS and submitted for Temple work for all Temples to pull from. It is my experience that female names are completed within six months (with the baptisms etc. being completed within 2 weeks) and that male names will take ten months. Most names are completed sooner than that. So, the need is there. Given the painfully low number of names waiting for female baptisms - it would seem like a real assist to the Church to document and submit as many names - particularly female names, as possible. That way the Temples will have more than enough names in reserve to meet the needs of a world-wide Church. ?Once we have received them for ourselves [Ordinances] and for our families, we are obligated to provide these ordinances vicariously for our kindred dead, indeed for the whole human family? (Boyd K. Packer, in Conference Report, Apr. 1987, p. 27; or Ensign, May 1987, p. 24). On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting how this conversation has morphed. ?I know people who work and > struggle for years to get any names for temple work. Others have names "pour > out of the computer" so to speak. Our circumstances are not always alike. > Two Rootsweb conference speakers reminded attendees that we should submit no > more names than we can do in a "reasonable amount of time, probably a few > months." If a researcher has dozens of temple-going family members or a > supportive ward, they can probably get more names done than one who doesn't > have that, but they cautioned us about having more than 200 names in the > temple file at a time because of the difficulty it gives the program. For > example, names may not print properly on an FOR. They urged us not to feel > guilty about not being able to do all the work we find all at once. > > I have experimented by putting a few family names into the program without > tapping them for temple work--or more than just baptism, etc.-- right away. > Nearly half have already been picked up and completed. Conversely, I have > also found names that were begun by others or through extraction that I've > been able to complete. I would rather have the names waiting in the program > than in my computer. It's one step closer for them. ?It's also an excellent > way of making contact with other researchers. And if the names wait until > the Millennium, the data is in place to support the effort when the time > comes. > > I have also assisted people whose health is precarious, who have no > immediate LDS family, with putting all their data into the program, rather > than leave it in their own computer files should they die. ?They are > attending the temple as often as their circumstances permit. > > We should not begin unauthorized extractions of lists of persons such as > Holocaust victims. That is actively discouraged. > > Jerry > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6876 (20120211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:47:32 -0500 (EST) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It is now taking 18+ months to get male names through. Endowments are the worst..they wait up to a year between initiatory and endowment and then sometimes nearly that long for sealings. I believe we should do all the "legal" (meaning far enough back and not self-extraction projects) names we can. I do all the descendants of my direct ancestors as far down as I can do them. I submit them immediately to the temple file because we don't have enough temple goers to try to coordinate that. Better than waiting until the millenium when there will really be a backlog!!! I wish all those folks who reserve names would just do them or send them to the temple file..I have so many many names in my ancestry....even newer ones who get the baptisms done and then just sit some since 1999, some since 2009 and all years in between...hundreds of souls waiting for completion of their ordinances. I think we have a responsibility to proactively tell our patrons if they can't get the names done quickly, to submit them to the NFS temple file to be completed. Even if they have printed cards, we should assist them to send them on to the temple. I think a lot of people hold on to the cards feeling guilty that they aren't getting them done...and do nothing because they do not know what to do. Michele In a message dated 2/11/2012 10:11:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: OK. I have rechecked the current two publications on Family History - the "A Member's Guide..." and "To Turn the Hearts" Both speak of doing "all" work for our "ancestors" and our "kindred dead" Yes, we are talking about submitting only relatives - no self created extraction projects. There is no mention of limiting the flow of names. I have heard of not "reserving" more names than we can reasonably do ourselves through personal Temple attendance - but have never seen any instructions about not "submitting" names to the general Temple file (not reserved - simply entered in to nFS and submitted for Temple work for all Temples to pull from. It is my experience that female names are completed within six months (with the baptisms etc. being completed within 2 weeks) and that male names will take ten months. Most names are completed sooner than that. So, the need is there. Given the painfully low number of names waiting for female baptisms - it would seem like a real assist to the Church to document and submit as many names - particularly female names, as possible. That way the Temples will have more than enough names in reserve to meet the needs of a world-wide Church. ?Once we have received them for ourselves [Ordinances] and for our families, we are obligated to provide these ordinances vicariously for our kindred dead, indeed for the whole human family? (Boyd K. Packer, in Conference Report, Apr. 1987, p. 27; or Ensign, May 1987, p. 24). On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Cowley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting how this conversation has morphed. I know people who work and > struggle for years to get any names for temple work. Others have names "pour > out of the computer" so to speak. Our circumstances are not always alike. > Two Rootsweb conference speakers reminded attendees that we should submit no > more names than we can do in a "reasonable amount of time, probably a few > months." If a researcher has dozens of temple-going family members or a > supportive ward, they can probably get more names done than one who doesn't > have that, but they cautioned us about having more than 200 names in the > temple file at a time because of the difficulty it gives the program. For > example, names may not print properly on an FOR. They urged us not to feel > guilty about not being able to do all the work we find all at once. > > I have experimented by putting a few family names into the program without > tapping them for temple work--or more than just baptism, etc.-- right away. > Nearly half have already been picked up and completed. Conversely, I have > also found names that were begun by others or through extraction that I've > been able to complete. I would rather have the names waiting in the program > than in my computer. It's one step closer for them. It's also an excellent > way of making contact with other researchers. And if the names wait until > the Millennium, the data is in place to support the effort when the time > comes. > > I have also assisted people whose health is precarious, who have no > immediate LDS family, with putting all their data into the program, rather > than leave it in their own computer files should they die. They are > attending the temple as often as their circumstances permit. > > We should not begin unauthorized extractions of lists of persons such as > Holocaust victims. That is actively discouraged. > > Jerry > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6876 (20120211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:28:30 -0700 From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] temple ordinances To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >From ONE village in Germany, I count on less than 2 hands LDS descendants. Image me doing more than 100,000 descendants of that village (I have in my possession the entire database sent to me from a distant cousin in Germany) Can you fathom the size of it without any help from my ward or friends. David S. On 2/10/2012 11:20 AM, Alice Allen wrote: > I'm guilty of having put names in the system in hopes someone more closely > related than I am would find them and do their work. I should have realized > that since I seem to be the only one researching these people, there's > probably not a line-up of people waiting to do their Temple work, either. > > Guess what I'll be dong later today. > > Alice Allen > Ward Family History Consultant > Oakhurst Ward, Vancouver WA Stake ------------------------------ To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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