One must also remember that much of the early work was done from memories and there was very little documentation available to these early members. My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with very little information as to who they were and in fact usually they were listed as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 people named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to know which one he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much information so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records on microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one surname, or trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in Herefordshire in the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers were not available I know what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not online which I believe would be a great benefit for English research is the post 1858 principal probate registry index for Great Britain and I am surprised that no one has considered putting it online as yet. In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old Joseph Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had to requisition records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was family group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am amazed at what our early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting temple work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. Steve Kelsey . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Allen" <aiallen@iinet.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 >I think we have to be careful not to pass judgment upon the people who have > submitted some of these "Mr. & Mrs." For temple work. I have one of these > in one of my own lines. This has been a difficult line for me to > trace--early 1800's NY state, can't find any indication of my gg > grandmother's family there, even though she is listed on the 1850 census > with her husband and in all the censuses I've found her in, her birthplace > is listed as NY. Her individual ordinances (and maybe her sealing to > husband) was done in the 1930's--it's a long story and only interesting to > me, so I won't share it here so your eyes don't glaze over. > > Back when the IGI & Ancestral File were on CD's (1990's), I discovered > that > someone had sealed her and a brother to "Mr. & Mrs. Davey." Over these > many > years I've been grumbling to myself as to why someone would do that, and > how > did they find out my gg grandmother had a brother, since I never found a > trace of this family. Last fall I was contacted by a descendent of my gg > grandmother, who had found me on nFS and was delighted to discover me, and > hoped I had information on this family--especially did I know who our gg > grandmother's parents were? Thankfully I did not rant & rave about the > "Mr. > & Mrs" whom they were sealed to, but I told him that's all I know. Then > he > told me this story: > > His aunt had a history written by our gg grandmother, and he had read it > many times. He had noted many times that she related being orphaned at an > early age--naturally she didn't tell who here parents were, when they > died, > etc. But at some point he was prompted to read that history again, and > eventually he did. What he had never noticed before was that our gg > grandmother told of her younger brother Sam, who was 2 years younger than > she was, and that they had been placed in different orphanages and she > never > saw him again. Since he had his gg grandmother's birth date, he > calculated > the brother's birth date, added "of" to the county they were from, and > submitted his name for temple work. He was also prompted to seal both of > them to their parents, but he was never able to find out who they were. > He > calculated their birth dates, added "of" to the county and state, and the > submission was accepted. Now, this was the 1990's, and as I recall things > were loosened up quite a bit about that time as far as submitting for > temple > work. > > He has not stopped hunting for their real names, and I have been > hunting,too. I have a trip to Salt Lake planned in the next couple of > weeks, and looking through probate and guardianship records is #1 on my > list > for the day my daughter has promised me I can have at the FHL while her > family does some touristy things. > > So at least in this case, this was a "guided by the Spirit" thing and not > "junk" genealogy. There may be others out there with a similar story, who > knows! > > Alice > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helle T. > Hirschmann > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 3:20 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 > > Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. > > Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. > They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have > to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. > > Str. Helle Hirschmann > Center Director > Slagelse ward > Denmark Copenhagen stake. > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >