Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. Str. Helle Hirschmann Center Director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen stake. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af David Sendt: 1. juni 2013 00:52 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 I first heard about this type of action being taken by those that just had to get their pedigree back one more generation from one of our non-member center staff people. The people, as identified, do / did exist but this sort of action just leaves a bad taste about the quality of research and does not comply at all with the spirit of the First Presidency letter of 16 June 1995 (Ensign, Sept. 1995, 80) "Because of the sacred nature of this work, members should be diligent is assuring the accuracy of all information submitted for ordinance work." How are you to come to know your ancestors if all you do is add a title to the name of the spouse? 2 cents, David, San Diego District ---- Jean Ohai <jbohai@comcast.net> wrote: I have seen this a lot in Scandinavian lines. I offered to help my daughter-in-law with some research and found that someone had gone to all the end-of-line lines, added Jens and Mrs. Jens, Christen and Mrs. Christen, Hans and Mrs. Hans, etc., etc. and reserved temple work for them. No attempt was made at any kind of research or documentation. Once something like this is allowed to go through, who is going to go in to see what if any documentation can be found? Say, such as checking for the death and burial records to determine actual names? What kind of an identity is that? Jean Ohai On 5/31/2013 12:55 PM, [1]lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:21:30 -0300 Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree T " Well, I have the impression that assumptions were somewhat encouraged. I have seen a lot of end-of-line John Does getting sealed to Mr. and Mrs. Doe, born approximately 25 and 21 years before John in the same location. . . " Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think we have to be careful not to pass judgment upon the people who have submitted some of these "Mr. & Mrs." For temple work. I have one of these in one of my own lines. This has been a difficult line for me to trace--early 1800's NY state, can't find any indication of my gg grandmother's family there, even though she is listed on the 1850 census with her husband and in all the censuses I've found her in, her birthplace is listed as NY. Her individual ordinances (and maybe her sealing to husband) was done in the 1930's--it's a long story and only interesting to me, so I won't share it here so your eyes don't glaze over. Back when the IGI & Ancestral File were on CD's (1990's), I discovered that someone had sealed her and a brother to "Mr. & Mrs. Davey." Over these many years I've been grumbling to myself as to why someone would do that, and how did they find out my gg grandmother had a brother, since I never found a trace of this family. Last fall I was contacted by a descendent of my gg grandmother, who had found me on nFS and was delighted to discover me, and hoped I had information on this family--especially did I know who our gg grandmother's parents were? Thankfully I did not rant & rave about the "Mr. & Mrs" whom they were sealed to, but I told him that's all I know. Then he told me this story: His aunt had a history written by our gg grandmother, and he had read it many times. He had noted many times that she related being orphaned at an early age--naturally she didn't tell who here parents were, when they died, etc. But at some point he was prompted to read that history again, and eventually he did. What he had never noticed before was that our gg grandmother told of her younger brother Sam, who was 2 years younger than she was, and that they had been placed in different orphanages and she never saw him again. Since he had his gg grandmother's birth date, he calculated the brother's birth date, added "of" to the county they were from, and submitted his name for temple work. He was also prompted to seal both of them to their parents, but he was never able to find out who they were. He calculated their birth dates, added "of" to the county and state, and the submission was accepted. Now, this was the 1990's, and as I recall things were loosened up quite a bit about that time as far as submitting for temple work. He has not stopped hunting for their real names, and I have been hunting,too. I have a trip to Salt Lake planned in the next couple of weeks, and looking through probate and guardianship records is #1 on my list for the day my daughter has promised me I can have at the FHL while her family does some touristy things. So at least in this case, this was a "guided by the Spirit" thing and not "junk" genealogy. There may be others out there with a similar story, who knows! Alice -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helle T. Hirschmann Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 3:20 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. Str. Helle Hirschmann Center Director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen stake.

YAY! There are so many like this, and it has always bothered me while doing ordinances, to see this, especially those born in the 1800s when I know it is just lazy research or no research that has led to this. Betty Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helle T. Hirschmann" <helle@hirschmann.dk> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:19:59 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. Str. Helle Hirschmann Center Director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen stake.