Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Glen said: "I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being released to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released?" I disagree with the previous answer that they are checked for duplicates. I find marriage extraction records all the time that have to be merged with previously entered info and/or individuals who have had their temple ordinances completed. As an example, I was looking just last week at the NFS entry for my great-grandmother and great grandfather, whose ordinances I did 30 years ago. I searched for duplicates and found that they had an extracted marriage record in NFS. So I merged them. Again, I find this often, and I don't understand even why extraction programs are entered into NFS anyway. Yes, the extracted marriages I find (including my great-grandmother and great grandfather) did not have their temple ordinances done. But why do they put the outcome of an extraction project into NFS? Why don't they put it in a FAMILY SEARCH program? I always feel lucky that these extracted marriages don't have temple ordinances done for them. But they do create a second entry for an individual and their spouse, with no surrounding family. I would like to have a list for the county I am working in of the extracted marriages so that I can go through and merge them before someone comes along and does their temple work. But this is a problem to me. Karen ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 2:01:11 AM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Glen Parker) 2. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Randy Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:57:24 -0600 From: Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted > to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the > temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to > NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting > to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though they > say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs and > names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening and > spoke to > SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just gasped in > the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same > challenge with the slips already printed. This isn't an isolated problem. I >just > > can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:18:37 +0000 From: Randy Bryson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. It's built in. Randy Bryson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Parker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were > converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or > "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards > and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 > page print out of names waiting to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even > though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs > and names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year >ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they > just gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that > time had the same challenge with the slips already printed. This > isn't an isolated problem. I just can't believe there isn't a way to > fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. 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Karen, what you say makes sense. If records _were_ being checked, I wonder who is checking them. And HOW. Individual records are only part of a more complete family history, where multiple records are combined and made sense of (especially when mutually conflicting). Also, I think extracted (indexed) records are being released without any consistency check. Yesterday, I witnessed a number of baptisms of people called "Je." Per extraction rules, abbreviations are to be typed as written on the original records. BUT, everyone knows that "Je" is short for "Jose" -- just like "Wm" is short for "William." -----Mensagem Original----- From: Karen Jorgensen Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LDS-WC] Extracted records released to the Temple Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]b.com> Glen said: "I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being released to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released?" I disagree with the previous answer that they are checked for duplicates. I find marriage extraction records all the time that have to be merged with previously entered info and/or individuals who have had their temple ordinances completed. As an example, I was looking just last week at the NFS entry for my great-grandmother and great grandfather, whose ordinances I did 30 years ago. I searched for duplicates and found that they had an extracted marriage record in NFS. So I merged them. Again, I find this often, and I don't understand even why extraction programs are entered into NFS anyway. Yes, the extracted marriages I find (including my great-grandmother and great grandfather) did not have their temple ordinances done. But why do they put the outcome of an extraction project into NFS? Why don't they put it in a FAMILY SEARCH program? I always feel lucky that these extracted marriages don't have temple ordinances done for them. But they do create a second entry for an individual and their spouse, with no surrounding family. I would like to have a list for the county I am working in of the extracted marriages so that I can go through and merge them before someone comes along and does their temple work. But this is a problem to me. Karen ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 2:01:11 AM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Glen Parker) 2. Re: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 (Randy Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:57:24 -0600 From: Glen Parker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest >version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to >restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were converted > to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or "Unknown" when the > temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards and transferred them to > NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 page print out of names waiting > to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, > allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even though > they > say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs and > names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a year > ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and > spoke to > SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they just gasped in > the realization that every single temple up to that time had the same > challenge with the slips already printed. This isn't an isolated > problem. I >just > > can't believe there isn't a way to fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch > became available, and these cards display as reserved by "Unknown" or by > "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status of the ordinance, it > may be possible to release the reservation on a particular person, > allowing > you to reserve it and perform the ordinances. Please contact Support, and > they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of >the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:18:37 +0000 From: Randy Bryson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. It's built in. Randy Bryson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Parker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being release to the Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search before they are released? > From: [email protected] > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:01:05 -0600 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >[email protected] If you prefer the digest >version, >use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to >restrict >the size of your post. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: releasing names to Temples (Shanna Jones) > 2. Re: releasing names to Temples ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:01:58 -0600 > From: Shanna Jones <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Q: > Then there are the thousands upon thousands of names which were > converted to "in progress" or more currently "Family Search" or > "Unknown" when the temples took the cards on hand in their cupboards > and transferred them to NFS back in 2007-2008. I still have an 8 > page print out of names waiting to > be released from that limbo. :-) > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > Extraction records that show "Ready" can be reserved by you even > though they say they are reserved by the FamilySearch Extraction Program. > See Knowledge Document 109130 > or search Help Center "reserved by unknown" > > Shanna Jones > St. George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] releasing names to Temples > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yep. I spoke with them. Sent them the excel file with all the PIDs > and names and may 1/10 th were released if that. That's been almost a > year >ago. > :-) > > BTW It isn't just me. Back in 2009 when I realized what was happening > and spoke to SL engineers (not missionaries, not local helpers), they > just gasped in the realization that every single temple up to that > time had the same challenge with the slips already printed. This > isn't an isolated problem. I just can't believe there isn't a way to > fix it. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 3/25/2012 4:04:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > A: Some older cards were released to the temple before the new > FamilySearch became available, and these cards display as reserved by > "Unknown" or by "LDS Church Temple Records." Depending on the status > of the ordinance, it may be possible to release the reservation on a > particular person, allowing you to reserve it and perform the > ordinances. Please contact Support, and they will assist you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email > to [email protected] > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to >[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70 > ************************************************** Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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On 3/28/2012 10:49 AM, Karen Jorgensen wrote: > Glen said: > "I see by some of the posts that extracted records are being released to the > Temple. Are these records being checked for duplicates on new Family Search > before they are released?" > > I disagree with the previous answer that they are checked for duplicates. I find > marriage extraction records all the time that have to be merged with previously > entered info and/or individuals who have had their temple ordinances completed. > As an example, I was looking just last week at the NFS entry for my > great-grandmother and great grandfather, whose ordinances I did 30 years ago. I > searched for duplicates and found that they had an extracted marriage record in > NFS. So I merged them. I have to agree with Karen Jorgensen. Even today I find these children and merged, effectively any further ordinances because they were already done. David Samuelsen