Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people > have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may have > some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same > goes for other people's submissions. He does have LDS relatives. I know of one. Just that it is inappropriate to try to submit more distant relatives that are less than 110 years without permission. David Samuelsen

The number of years is 95 years not 110 years.   For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work.   Rebecca Christensen --- On Wed, 5/20/09, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:22 AM Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people > have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may have > some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same > goes for other people's submissions. He does have LDS relatives. I know of one. Just that it is inappropriate to try to submit more distant relatives that are less than 110 years without permission. David Samuelsen

Rebecca Christiansen wrote: "The number of years is 95 years not 110 years.   For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. ..." ******* This topic is one that we sometimes try painting various shades of grey but  clearing names for temple ordinances should include the rights of precedence as the main consideration. Clearing names has to do with whether it is approved or not by the policies of the Church -- based on the rights of precedence. The rights of precedence are (1) undivorced spouse; (2) adult children; (3) parents; (4) brother or sister. The rights of precedence are not dismissed just because we are a direct descendant of the person we are trying to submit. The following paragraph is from the document "Temple Policies and the New FamilySearch" (dated 31 Oct 2008). To do ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 95 years, please obtain permission and honor the wishes of close relatives. Relatives may not want the ordinances performed or may want to do the ordinances themselves. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse, an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister.   Rights of precedence guidelines are something that we really need to be careful in following.   It doesn't matter if the undivorced spouse is not our biological mother or father.   If the undivorced spouse is a step-parent, that spouse STILL has the FIRST right to say yea or nay about the ordinances being completed in the temple. We may not agree but we should do it anyway.   This is difficult in our age of multiple marriages but following the policies is the right thing to do.   We don't change the policies to fit our own opinions. We follow the guidelines and policies as outlined by the Church because it is the right thing to do. It also keeps our integrity in order.   As the hymn states "Keep the commandments. In this is safety and peace."   It also has to do with loving our neighbor and respecting their feelings and opinions.   When we follow the rights of precedence, we will never have a feeling that we bent the rules so we could do what we wanted.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

reverse the dates 95 years from marriage date, 110 years from birth if there is no death date. This has been a long standing policy since at least 1975. If you look in the old manuals for consultants for that year, you will find it's 110 years from birth date if no death, or permission from closest living relative (in the order, undivorced wife, child, parents) The erroreous 95 years from birth was pointed out to the FS and they have not corrected the Knowledge Database for some time. Too many are living beyond 95 years of age nowadays. You said 110 years after death - good grief! David Samuelsen Rebecca Christensen wrote: > The number of years is 95 years not 110 years. For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. > > If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:22 AM > > > Sahara346@aol.com wrote: >> We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people >> have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may > have >> some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same > >> goes for other people's submissions. > > He does have LDS relatives. I know of one. Just that it is inappropriate > to try to submit more distant relatives that are less than 110 years > without permission. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >