So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying get rid of PAF and get another program?  I don't like NFS as a working program and  at my age will most likely never process another name with it.   Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when I was teaching it.   Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM Harry: Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS Church's desktop database manager. PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were not derived from Ancestral Quest. Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 > Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all together different? >  > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM > > > Peter: > > I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal > Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". > > A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created > from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline > Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and > thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of > Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral > File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest > (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You > will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is > mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the > ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. > > Gaylon Findlay > Incline Software > > > Peter F. Thorne wrote: >    >> Hi! >> >>    >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >>    >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >>    >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>    >>      > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >    Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all especially Harry, I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many of us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has to be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to others. I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs but I know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those whom I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. I enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the 'friend' of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will get hooked into the work. Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is concerned You can't be older than I am! Kathy I ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a working program and at my age will most likely never process another name with it. Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when I was teaching it. Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM Harry: Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS Church's desktop database manager. PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were not derived from Ancestral Quest. Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 > Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all > together different? > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM > > > Peter: > > I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal > Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". > > A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created > from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline > Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and > thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of > Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral > File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest > (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You > will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is > mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the > ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. > > Gaylon Findlay > Incline Software > > > Peter F. Thorne wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >> the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >> recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >> by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >> they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >> for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >> you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy and others: As you say, "PAF is my 'friend' and ... it is the 'friend' of most members ...". Ever since we gave the Ancestral Quest code to the Church over 10 years ago, we have recognized this friendship relationship between PAF and the members. And we know that if "most members" will just take a look at Ancestral Quest, they will feel like they are still in the house of a friend. It will be a comfortable adjustment to use the new tools, like NFS syncing, for most members, as AQ and PAF are so much alike, except for the newer features, which aren't in PAF. One of the other cool things about AQ's relationship with PAF is that you can use most PAF add-on utilities with it. For example, you should be able to use FamilyInsight and PAF Companion with it. (AQ can let you use either of two database types: PAF and its own. If you will use the .paf database, then you can continue to use PAF, FamilyInsight, PAF Companion and other PAF add-ons with AQ.) Gaylon Kathy Scott wrote: > To all especially Harry, > > I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it > difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many of > us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then > teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because > the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has to > be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to others. > > I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs but I > know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those whom > I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. I > enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the 'friend' > of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable > with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will > get hooked into the work. > > Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is > concerned You can't be older than I am! > Kathy > > I ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:11 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying > get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a working > program and at my age will most likely never process another name with it. > > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could > put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when > I was teaching it. > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: > >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all >> together different? >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >