Jill, If you spoke to Support, you should be able to find a record in "My Cases" in the New FamilySearch Help Center. You open the Help Center, click on the third tab, "My Cases" and you can choose "View Closed Cases" or open a current case that you are dealing with. I have used this feature in the past to look up information that I emailed to Support but did not keep a record that I could find. It works very nicely. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill N. Crandell Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 01:38 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Contributing research on unrelated people to NFS Alan wrote: What information do you have about conditions for a future time when our submissions to nFS may be extracted? Hi Alan, I had a feeling when I wrote that that I might need to back it up! I just went looking in the Help Center to find the "answer" that I had been reading, and for the life of me, I can't find it tonight. All I can do is tell you the gist of what I read, and if someone else finds it, please give me the document number. I'm sorry I didn't mark it. I was searching about submissions to NFS of unrelated individuals and looking at information about performing ordinances. As you are all aware, we are not to submit names of unrelated persons for ordinance work. Whatever document I was reading in the Help Center that night said that we are not to submit unrelated persons for ordinance work. Related persons may find our work and submit it later, and the temples will also download information that was submitted but the ordinances were not requested. I found that very interesting. I wrote to Support to ask some questions, and I think I referenced the help document. Unfortunately, those questions do not go through our emails, and when Support answers, they don't have a copy of our original question included in the email. I wish they did. I could probably give you a more detailed response if they did. What I can tell you is that my question included the idea that the temples could extract my research and have the ordinances done, and the response confirmed that concept. I don't believe this is "future," I believe it's happening now--but I may be wrong. My reference to the future is that a temple needs to "find" my research before it will go through that process. As individuals, we are not to submit the unrelated names to do ourselves, and we are also not to submit them to the temple file. That would still tie our names to the submission. The only appropriate thing to do with unrelated names is to submit the research to NFS and "hope" that it gets found by someone with the right to do the work--a relative or the Church. Hope this helps, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy wrote: If you spoke to Support, you should be able to find a record in "My Cases" in the New FamilySearch Help Center. Thank you, Nancy!!! I had no idea this existed. As much as I have explored NFS, I didn't realize I could go back and look at the cases with Support. I went to my question a few minutes ago, and the reason I couldn't find what I was looking for is that it was not in the help "documents." If you go to "Learn How to Use FamilySearch" and select "Doing Temple Ordinances for your Ancestors," look at slide number 7 of 11. It says, "If you do not have FamilySearch hold the ordinances for you, they will be available for anyone who uses FamilySearch. Or the temple may give the name to someone who did not bring a family name." In my email last night, I was summarizing a number of answer documents that I had seen, but this point was not in any of them. My question to Support was to clarify this last statement of the temple giving it to someone. The answer was lengthy and involved details that I'd rather not put out on a public forum, but it confirmed that the temple is using NFS to download work that is ready to be done. However, I don't believe they are downloading anything that anyone has reserved or is currently working on. Those are expected to be in the process of completion already. So, if you are waiting for someone who is working on your ancestors, this situation will not solve that particular problem. What this practice does is complete work that we have submitted for unrelated persons so that it doesn't stay forever in limbo. It makes it worth submitting information that we have when we can't reserve and do the ordinances ourselves. Jill Crandell

This has brought up my petty reason for witholding names for nFS. ANY name in nFS can be read by anyone.. and if the Temple work is not reserved, can be done by anyone. But I believe we have discussed this before.. and I know that nFS is inspired. Jill wrote: " What I have learned is that there may be a time when the temples will "extract" information from NFS for individuals that has been entered but the temple work has not been done." In reality FamilySearchIndexing is part of nFS, because in time these documents WILL be linked to nFS(1). This was told to people at a F.S. Developers meeting that is still accessable via the net. And in time thousands of non-members will participate in this work (2). IMHO there will come a time when all those whose names we have extracted WILL have their opportunties, similar to the extraction process, but I was wondering if a G.A. had said this. Alan W. (1) FS Developers Conferene - listen to Gordon Clark https://devnet.familysearch.org/events/recorded-presentations/developers-conference-2009 (2) Questions and Ancestors - interview on " Digitizig the Granite Mountain Vault Records" http://www.byub.org/questionsandancestors/episodes.asp On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net > wrote: > Nancy wrote: > If you spoke to Support, you should be able to find a record in "My Cases" > in the New FamilySearch Help Center. > > Thank you, Nancy!!! I had no idea this existed. As much as I have explored > NFS, I didn't realize I could go back and look at the cases with Support. I > went to my question a few minutes ago, and the reason I couldn't find what > I > was looking for is that it was not in the help "documents." If you go to > "Learn How to Use FamilySearch" and select "Doing Temple Ordinances for > your > Ancestors," look at slide number 7 of 11. It says, "If you do not have > FamilySearch hold the ordinances for you, they will be available for anyone > who uses FamilySearch. Or the temple may give the name to someone who did > not bring a family name." > > In my email last night, I was summarizing a number of answer documents that > I had seen, but this point was not in any of them. My question to Support > was to clarify this last statement of the temple giving it to someone. The > answer was lengthy and involved details that I'd rather not put out on a > public forum, but it confirmed that the temple is using NFS to download > work > that is ready to be done. However, I don't believe they are downloading > anything that anyone has reserved or is currently working on. Those are > expected to be in the process of completion already. So, if you are waiting > for someone who is working on your ancestors, this situation will not solve > that particular problem. What this practice does is complete work that we > have submitted for unrelated persons so that it doesn't stay forever in > limbo. It makes it worth submitting information that we have when we can't > reserve and do the ordinances ourselves. > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alan wrote: This has brought up my petty reason for witholding names for nFS. ANY name in nFS can be read by anyone.. and if the Temple work is not reserved, can be done by anyone. Alan, I can't say that a G.A. said this, but it's on the website that I'm sure was approved at some level of authority. It reflects what is being done, and I'm sure the process of temple submissions was approved at high levels. As for withholding information because "anyone" can submit it, I know how you feel. If I put in the work and can't submit it because I'm not related, why would I put it out there for someone else not related, who is not following the rules, who didn't do the research, to submit it anyway. For myself, I have decided that I can't think that way. I'm doing the work for the Lord, and I want to be obedient to the authorities of the Church. If someone else comes along and is disobedient, they will have to answer for that. In the meantime, I have been a tool to allow someone in the Spirit World to receive their ordinances. I prefer to think about a new convert getting involved in the work and finding my accurate research just sitting there waiting for them to stand as a proxy. What a blessing it would be to them. I will give my free will offering and let the Lord take care of the rest. Lest any of you think that I am neglecting my own family while I research unrelated lines, know that I do a great deal of research professionally in various settings that produces a good amount of detailed information on unrelated lines. It's part of how I make my living. I would be making my living anyway--I'm just lucky that my way of producing income also produces eternal blessings for others. The information I submit is with the permission of my clients. My own personal family research is done in my "off-work" hours, just like everyone else. One last thought. The way NFS is set up, I would think it would be hard to find names ready for temple work that are not connected to our own lines. We would have to be searching for someone specific or following lines that are connected to us. It isn't like our personal databases where we can tell the program to list everyone in the file whose work has not been done. Yes, the information is out there for anyone to see, but it isn't easy to come up with a list of names to submit who are not related--at least I wouldn't know how to do that! If there IS a way to do it, please DON'T put it out on this list to tell everyone how!!!! :-) Jill Crandell