Paper still works! Barbi in Manahawkin NJ USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Todeschini To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Gaylon/ What genealogy program do I select? The leader should have said "we no longer need PAF _for_temple_submission_." We still need a tool to research genealogy -- mostly for recording information and sources. nFS is a tool for temple submitting, only. It can help a bit with research as you search for duplicates, but that's it. You know, I have even told some people who do not want to "keep two databases" and "learn two computer systems" that they can submit with nFS and research/record info on paper sheets with pedigree charts and family group records. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kathy Scott" <kathyscott1@ntlworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:32 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Gaylon/ What genealogy program do I select? > Thank you Gaylon for such a helpful answer. I think I will move onto > Ancestral Quest myself as a starter. My sensitivity about PAF comes from a > careless leader's remark " We no longer need PAF". and that, after my > spending years teaching how to use it for data gathering and Temple work!!! > > God bless us in our efforts to be helpful to each other. > Kathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gaylon Findlay" <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > >> Kathy and others: >> >> As you say, "PAF is my 'friend' and ... it is the 'friend' of most >> members ...". Ever since we gave the Ancestral Quest code to the Church >> over 10 years ago, we have recognized this friendship relationship >> between PAF and the members. And we know that if "most members" will >> just take a look at Ancestral Quest, they will feel like they are still >> in the house of a friend. It will be a comfortable adjustment to use the >> new tools, like NFS syncing, for most members, as AQ and PAF are so much >> alike, except for the newer features, which aren't in PAF. >> >> One of the other cool things about AQ's relationship with PAF is that >> you can use most PAF add-on utilities with it. For example, you should >> be able to use FamilyInsight and PAF Companion with it. (AQ can let you >> use either of two database types: PAF and its own. If you will use the >> .paf database, then you can continue to use PAF, FamilyInsight, PAF >> Companion and other PAF add-ons with AQ.) >> >> Gaylon >> >> >> Kathy Scott wrote: >>> To all especially Harry, >>> >>> I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it >>> difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many >>> of >>> us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then >>> teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because >>> the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has >>> to >>> be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to >>> others. >>> >>> I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs >>> but I >>> know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those >>> whom >>> I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. >>> I >>> enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the >>> 'friend' >>> of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable >>> with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will >>> get hooked into the work. >>> >>> Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is >>> concerned You can't be older than I am! >>> Kathy >>> >>> I ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> >>> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>> >>> >>> So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here >>> saying >>> get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a working >>> program and at my age will most likely never process another name with >>> it. >>> >>> Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, >>> could >>> put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it >>> when >>> I was teaching it. >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >>> are when we learn our past >>> >>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM >>> >>> >>> Harry: >>> >>> Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS >>> Church's desktop database manager. >>> >>> PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived >>> from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. >>> >>> Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were >>> not derived from Ancestral Quest. >>> >>> Gaylon >>> >>> >>> Harry Laughman wrote: >>> >>>> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >>>> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something >>>> all >>>> together different? >>>> >>>> Harry >>>> >>>> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who >>>> we >>>> are when we learn our past >>>> >>>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter: >>>> >>>> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >>>> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >>>> >>>> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >>>> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >>>> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >>>> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >>>> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >>>> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >>>> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >>>> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >>>> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >>>> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >>>> >>>> Gaylon Findlay >>>> Incline Software >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>>>> the >>>>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>>>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>>>> recording >>>>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>>>> by >>>>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>>>> they >>>>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>>>> insights >>>>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>>>> for >>>>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>>>> you >>>>> might recommend. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter F. 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