Names released to the temple system in 2009 and before have a glitch. I'd give you a KD but the whole system is down. You have to go in and release each one and reserve them again to ever get them going again because there are too many for the engineers to work with. Shanna -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:24 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple Rather than hearing from 3rd party, I called Newport Beach Temple's recorder office. Here is what they said. This is the system they developed to serve 16 stakes. It is working very well. Patrons bring in their cards to be filed with their stake file drawers that are set up in foyer area. Each week the stake coordinators come in to pick up the completed cards and take back to their stakes to be returned to the persons. (the stake do maintain membership lists within their stakes, which is possible through stake/ward website via lds.org) To each temple a system is developed whatever work best. The ones I released to temple system are still there since 2009. My stake is assigned to 3 different temples due to language restrction at Salt Lake Temple which is English only. My stake has 4 different languages, English, Japanese (Dai Ichi, oldest Japanese speaking ward), Spanish and ASL (sign language.) This is something your stake might consider as a way forward to help members get more done. W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Called headquarters - 503 Service Unavailable. They said they are working on it - it is whole server place. And should be back online in late afternoon (that's more than 4 hours waiting. David Samuelsen

Rather than hearing from 3rd party, I called Newport Beach Temple's recorder office. Here is what they said. This is the system they developed to serve 16 stakes. It is working very well. Patrons bring in their cards to be filed with their stake file drawers that are set up in foyer area. Each week the stake coordinators come in to pick up the completed cards and take back to their stakes to be returned to the persons. (the stake do maintain membership lists within their stakes, which is possible through stake/ward website via lds.org) To each temple a system is developed whatever work best. The ones I released to temple system are still there since 2009. My stake is assigned to 3 different temples due to language restrction at Salt Lake Temple which is English only. My stake has 4 different languages, English, Japanese (Dai Ichi, oldest Japanese speaking ward), Spanish and ASL (sign language.) This is something your stake might consider as a way forward to help members get more done. W. David Samuelsen

Why create a new bucket system? - Especially one that is paper-driven. The Provo Temple is serving 80 stakes. How many drawers will this approach take there? How long will it take to find cards that are filed in the wrong stake drawer/box? Isn't this really yesterday's approach? We're computerized now - let's run with that approach. Wouldn't it equalize the speed and perceived fairness, by using the new "Share" button and sharing our submitted names with all Temples - and not having them sidelined to the one where we happen to live? That way - all submitted names will be completed in the order in which they were submitted. All Temple goers and "name submitters" would have the satisfaction of knowing that they are helping out fellow Church members around the world - by doing the work and by providing names for the Temple coupled with the quiet satisfaction of seeing that their names are getting done. Let's equalize the flow - otherwise we'll all have to move to Provo if we want to ever see our names completed. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: > All family files and cards at the temple unless taken there personally to do > the work have been > foirbidden in the temples that I know of. I used to take 4 or 500 baptism > cards and 800 or > so sealings cards per week to the Salt Lake Temple and would pick them up > the next week > and leave a batch for the next week. This worked well and everyone seemed > pleased about it. > In January of 2011 this was supposed to be stopped entirely on a temple-wide > basis. > Any names for the temple to do were to come in through the system and not > through individuals > leaving them at the temple. This is strictly enforced in Salt Lake, Jordan > River, and Oquirrh > temples and I thought strictly enfored temple wide but now find that is not > the case. My > temple-shared names number more than 4,000 in the backlog--many from 2010. > Most > of these are children to parent sealings and male endowments. Baptisms and > sealing to > spouse seem to go very quickly. Others go very, very slowly. Female > endowments about > 5 to 6 months, male endowments about a year. I am puzzled why the children > to parents > sealings take so long--some from 2 years ago. > The idea behind this was to make patrons use the system to send names to the > temple. I > have followed this strictly for 2 years. If I can do something else to get > them done more > quickly, it would be great. BUT I am trying to follow the guidelines which > were certainly > strict starting in 2011. In fact, shortly after this went into effect and > was clearly stated > to temple workers not to do, a temple worker did take names and attempt to > leave them > and was severely reprimanded for not follow the protocol. > > Steve Kelsey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:55 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > >> Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, >> the >> Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can >> leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by >> patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name >> slips, >> patrons can do family names for others in their stake. >> >> While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo >> the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple >> file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small >> temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will >> decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that >> names are >> directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the >> whole >> FamilySearch temple system. >> >> I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the >> FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. >> >> How are they getting away with this? >> >> Is it happening at any other temples? >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is just an opinion from a Family History Consultant and Temple Patron. I like the idea of having a place for our Stake Temple Names to be done. We have a large Temple the Portland Temple. I think it would help us draw closer as a Stake. I would be delighted to work on Stake names as well as my own. Of course I know we need to do what is best. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Shanna Jones <shannasjones@msn.com> wrote: > Names released to the temple system in 2009 and before have a glitch. I'd > give you a KD but the whole system is down. You have to go in and release > each one and reserve them again to ever get them going again because there > are too many for the engineers to work with. > Shanna > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David > Samuelsen > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:24 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > Rather than hearing from 3rd party, I called Newport Beach Temple's > recorder > office. Here is what they said. > > This is the system they developed to serve 16 stakes. > > It is working very well. > > Patrons bring in their cards to be filed with their stake file drawers that > are set up in foyer area. > > Each week the stake coordinators come in to pick up the completed cards and > take back to their stakes to be returned to the persons. (the stake do > maintain membership lists within their stakes, which is possible through > stake/ward website via lds.org) > > To each temple a system is developed whatever work best. > > The ones I released to temple system are still there since 2009. > > My stake is assigned to 3 different temples due to language restrction at > Salt Lake Temple which is English only. My stake has 4 different languages, > English, Japanese (Dai Ichi, oldest Japanese speaking ward), Spanish and > ASL > (sign language.) > > This is something your stake might consider as a way forward to help > members > get more done. > > W. David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well said. Go with the system. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Jay Kemp" <thomas.j.kemp@gmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > Why create a new bucket system? - Especially one that is paper-driven. > The Provo Temple is serving 80 stakes. > How many drawers will this approach take there? > How long will it take to find cards that are filed in the wrong stake > drawer/box? > Isn't this really yesterday's approach? > We're computerized now - let's run with that approach. > > Wouldn't it equalize the speed and perceived fairness, by using the > new "Share" button and sharing our submitted names with all Temples - > and not having them sidelined to the one where we happen to live? > > That way - all submitted names will be completed in the order in which > they were submitted. > > All Temple goers and "name submitters" would have the satisfaction of > knowing that they are helping out fellow Church members around the > world - by doing the work and by providing names for the Temple > coupled with the quiet satisfaction of seeing that their names are > getting done. > > Let's equalize the flow - otherwise we'll all have to move to Provo if > we want to ever see our names completed. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: >> All family files and cards at the temple unless taken there personally to >> do >> the work have been >> foirbidden in the temples that I know of. I used to take 4 or 500 >> baptism >> cards and 800 or >> so sealings cards per week to the Salt Lake Temple and would pick them up >> the next week >> and leave a batch for the next week. This worked well and everyone >> seemed >> pleased about it. >> In January of 2011 this was supposed to be stopped entirely on a >> temple-wide >> basis. >> Any names for the temple to do were to come in through the system and not >> through individuals >> leaving them at the temple. This is strictly enforced in Salt Lake, >> Jordan >> River, and Oquirrh >> temples and I thought strictly enfored temple wide but now find that is >> not >> the case. My >> temple-shared names number more than 4,000 in the backlog--many from >> 2010. >> Most >> of these are children to parent sealings and male endowments. Baptisms >> and >> sealing to >> spouse seem to go very quickly. Others go very, very slowly. Female >> endowments about >> 5 to 6 months, male endowments about a year. I am puzzled why the >> children >> to parents >> sealings take so long--some from 2 years ago. >> The idea behind this was to make patrons use the system to send names to >> the >> temple. I >> have followed this strictly for 2 years. If I can do something else to >> get >> them done more >> quickly, it would be great. BUT I am trying to follow the guidelines >> which >> were certainly >> strict starting in 2011. In fact, shortly after this went into effect >> and >> was clearly stated >> to temple workers not to do, a temple worker did take names and attempt >> to >> leave them >> and was severely reprimanded for not follow the protocol. >> >> Steve Kelsey >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> >> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:55 AM >> Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple >> >> >>> Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, >>> the >>> Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can >>> leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by >>> patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name >>> slips, >>> patrons can do family names for others in their stake. >>> >>> While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to >>> undo >>> the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple >>> file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a >>> small >>> temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will >>> decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that >>> names are >>> directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the >>> whole >>> FamilySearch temple system. >>> >>> I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the >>> FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. >>> >>> How are they getting away with this? >>> >>> Is it happening at any other temples? >>> >>> Michele >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Renee for a great recap of the discussions at RootsTech 2013! I have been emphasizing this to the patrons in my Family History Center for a number of years. Sometimes they listen. They especially take note when their family information gets changed and they don't know how to correct it. I too would like to post this in my center and re-emphasize it to my staff, if it's alright with you. Kathy Shipley Director Yuba City CA Stake FHCtr Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Renee Zamora <harrisena@gmail.com> wrote: > Here is a link to an article I just wrote "Do I Still Need a Desktop > Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough" > > http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2013/05/do-i-still-need-desktop-genealogy.html > > Hopefully this can help some of you when you are faced with this question > by patrons. > > Renee Zamora > Renee's Genealogy Blog: > http://rzamor1.blogspot.com > Website: www.harrisena.com > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a link to an article I just wrote "Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough" http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2013/05/do-i-still-need-desktop-genealogy.html Hopefully this can help some of you when you are faced with this question by patrons. Renee Zamora Renee's Genealogy Blog: http://rzamor1.blogspot.com Website: www.harrisena.com

This has been done in Washington temple for decades. bj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Margaret" <davidandmargaret@clear.net.nz> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > This was done in Hamilton Temple, New Zealand in the 90's but it has > stopped > now. I don't know why. perhaps because of the introduction of NFS > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:55 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > >> Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, >> the >> Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can >> leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by >> patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name >> slips, >> patrons can do family names for others in their stake. >> >> While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to >> undo >> the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple >> file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a >> small >> temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will >> decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that >> names are >> directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the >> whole >> FamilySearch temple system. >> >> I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the >> FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. >> >> How are they getting away with this? >> >> Is it happening at any other temples? >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

People who have a lot of family file cards are expected to release them to be available for all temples to get done. The only advantage of hoarding them is an ego trip. bj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Smith" <msgen@earthlink.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > In our Temple in Las Vegas, we have had a family file drawer for a long > time. Granted, we are a large temple, and I can understand your concerns > for > your small temple, but the patrons really like it. > > Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > JCBrooks@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:55 PM > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, > the > Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can > leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by > patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name > slips, patrons can do family names for others in their stake. > > While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo > the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple > file > which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small > temple, > the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will decrease > dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that names are > directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the > whole > FamilySearch temple system. > > I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the > FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. > > How are they getting away with this? > > Is it happening at any other temples? > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow, that's thorough!  Thanks! Naomi in NM ________________________________ From: Renee Zamora <harrisena@gmail.com> To: LDS-Ward-Consultant-ML <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough? Here is a link to an article I just wrote "Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough" http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2013/05/do-i-still-need-desktop-genealogy.html Hopefully this can help some of you when you are faced with this question by patrons. Renee Zamora Renee's Genealogy Blog: http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/ Website: www.harrisena.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, there is the fact that as far as I know, there are no temples that serve only 1 stake. Possibly: Helping others in your personal stake may help build a sense of unity within the stake, as you serve other stake members, as well as their deceased ancestors. (Don't know for sure what the motiviation is, because they're not doing it in our Temple District.) If there was any other way to do this within the stake, I'm not sure how to go about it, because no stake uses only one building, and it would require some serious pre-planning even within a ward building to be able to pick up the appropriate number of name cards on Sunday for attendance later in the week. What we are doing in the Winter Quarters Temple district: if we are doing an endowment session, we can turn in two additional names for others to do that day. (It means one has to get there early so that others can get the name turned in for the session we're on, or they'll return them if there were not enough patrons to do them. And yes, we do have some very small sessions occasionally. I do remember one that I was on that either everyone had their own name, or they were doing a name for a friend...because we ended up using no Temple file names, though.) It's useful when you have a single or widowed person who needs help with getting the opposite gender in their family done. It means that a person has to be actively doing some of their own Temple work...otherwise they can put names into Temple file and wait for them to go through the line up. It is, of course, easier for people who live close enough to the Temple to get there frequently to get more help on names they choose to keep for their own rather submission to Temple file. Our Temple does accept any number of baptism/confirmation, initiatory/sealings that you choose to turn in--but I suspect that is because they can get far more of any of those done in a single Temple visit, so that no one person would likely dominate the session with their own personal work. (Although we HAVE had people come in with a tall stack of sealings to do and expect to participate personally in each and every one, despite the fact that it would mean that some one else would have less opportunity to participate.) It seems that no matter which way they choose to do things, someone will not like it. I've noticed that Temple-submitted names are getting done much quicker in our area now that they're sending them to one's personal Temple district, but I'm sure that where there's a lot more name submission in larger districts, that may not be the case. (Certainly we get names in initiatory from ALL OVER the world, challenging our linguistic abilities to say a name, much less approximate the correct pronounciation...and yes we can always spell it. I just happen to personally feel that if I can approximate the pronounciation of a name for someone, it may make them feel more like they're not just "a name on the list." And yes, I do know that sometimes those on the Temple submitted names are there with us, no matter what the ordinance happens to be.) Karen On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Dave and Margaret < davidandmargaret@clear.net.nz> wrote: > This was done in Hamilton Temple, New Zealand in the 90's but it has > stopped > now. I don't know why. perhaps because of the introduction of NFS > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:55 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > > > Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, > > the > > Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can > > leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by > > patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name > > slips, > > patrons can do family names for others in their stake. > > > > While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to > undo > > the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple > > file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a > small > > temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will > > decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that > > names are > > directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the > > whole > > FamilySearch temple system. > > > > I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the > > FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. > > > > How are they getting away with this? > > > > Is it happening at any other temples? > > > > Michele > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

All family files and cards at the temple unless taken there personally to do the work have been foirbidden in the temples that I know of. I used to take 4 or 500 baptism cards and 800 or so sealings cards per week to the Salt Lake Temple and would pick them up the next week and leave a batch for the next week. This worked well and everyone seemed pleased about it. In January of 2011 this was supposed to be stopped entirely on a temple-wide basis. Any names for the temple to do were to come in through the system and not through individuals leaving them at the temple. This is strictly enforced in Salt Lake, Jordan River, and Oquirrh temples and I thought strictly enfored temple wide but now find that is not the case. My temple-shared names number more than 4,000 in the backlog--many from 2010. Most of these are children to parent sealings and male endowments. Baptisms and sealing to spouse seem to go very quickly. Others go very, very slowly. Female endowments about 5 to 6 months, male endowments about a year. I am puzzled why the children to parents sealings take so long--some from 2 years ago. The idea behind this was to make patrons use the system to send names to the temple. I have followed this strictly for 2 years. If I can do something else to get them done more quickly, it would be great. BUT I am trying to follow the guidelines which were certainly strict starting in 2011. In fact, shortly after this went into effect and was clearly stated to temple workers not to do, a temple worker did take names and attempt to leave them and was severely reprimanded for not follow the protocol. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:55 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, > the > Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can > leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by > patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name > slips, > patrons can do family names for others in their stake. > > While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo > the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple > file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small > temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will > decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that > names are > directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the > whole > FamilySearch temple system. > > I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the > FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. > > How are they getting away with this? > > Is it happening at any other temples? > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In our Temple in Las Vegas, we have had a family file drawer for a long time. Granted, we are a large temple, and I can understand your concerns for your small temple, but the patrons really like it. Megan -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JCBrooks@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:55 PM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, the Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name slips, patrons can do family names for others in their stake. While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that names are directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the whole FamilySearch temple system. I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. How are they getting away with this? Is it happening at any other temples? Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, the Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name slips, patrons can do family names for others in their stake. While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that names are directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the whole FamilySearch temple system. I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. How are they getting away with this? Is it happening at any other temples? Michele

Will do. In a message dated 5/14/2013 9:12:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Michelle, use feedback and describe your problem. They will resolve it. David Samuelsen On 5/14/2013 5:39 PM, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Samuel French K232-16D > > This is one of my 2005 submissions that has been in limbo since we went to > NFS. I just looked on the temple list and it said he "no longer > qualifies" and I could either edit or unreserve him. > > I chose unreserve but it still shows card is printed/now "reserved by > Family Search" which is second limbo. He needs to be resubmitted for his > endowment. Poor guy. > > What to do? Can any of your wizards fix that for me? > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michelle, use feedback and describe your problem. They will resolve it. David Samuelsen On 5/14/2013 5:39 PM, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Samuel French K232-16D > > This is one of my 2005 submissions that has been in limbo since we went to > NFS. I just looked on the temple list and it said he "no longer > qualifies" and I could either edit or unreserve him. > > I chose unreserve but it still shows card is printed/now "reserved by > Family Search" which is second limbo. He needs to be resubmitted for his > endowment. Poor guy. > > What to do? Can any of your wizards fix that for me? > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Samuel French K232-16D This is one of my 2005 submissions that has been in limbo since we went to NFS. I just looked on the temple list and it said he "no longer qualifies" and I could either edit or unreserve him. I chose unreserve but it still shows card is printed/now "reserved by Family Search" which is second limbo. He needs to be resubmitted for his endowment. Poor guy. What to do? Can any of your wizards fix that for me? Michele

Jorge makes sense. What better explanation? I've said for years there ought to be a section for "Member-submitted" sources that follow another form. Then we could merge them right in. After all, those of us who have been sourcing for 30+ years before this latest form was introduced may not have enough years left to do them over. (And if we do them over and it changes yet again, what then?) There are many sourcing standards out there. So including a reference to a source in the explanation is a workable compromise. Then I can get on with research. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 07:15:26 -0300 From: "Jorge Todeschini" <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Adding a source To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY178-DS5684F751947E5B410CF0EB6A70@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Deanne Moore, and Kathy Shipley -- thank you. Now I have an answer to my question. The "Add a source" button is there for INDEXED records only -- not searchable record images. That's alright, I will go ahead and use what I have. I am thinking -- maybe instead of adding a non-standard source, I will simply post the link as I answer the question "why do you feel this information is correct?" -- Jorge -----Mensagem Original----- From: Deanne Moore Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:34 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Adding a source The "add to my source box" that you are looking for is on the indexed page of the source, NOT on the image page, nor on the first pages of possible matches when you are searching. So when you click on add to my source box it automatically creates the source with the citation all filled in for you. Your source box is a temporary holding box, you still go to the person then click on source box down in that person's sources area and then attach that source to the person. I highly recommend the best sourcing videos I have seen found on James Tanner's blog. His blog is well worth following as he creates many easy to understand videos relating to FamilySearch. See these two links: http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2013/04/adding-external-sources-to.html http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2013/04/adding-external-sources-to.html Best wishes in your endeavors. Deanne On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Shanna Jones <shannasjones@msn.com> wrote: > On the person view under sources, you will see both Create a New > Source AND Go to Source Box. When you go to Create a New Source from > a particular person's screen, it adds it to that person. > > What I use and love is Tree Connect, as it adds sources from other > sites, not just FamilySearch. You find it at http://recordseek.com/ > > Shanna Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jorge > Todeschini > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:19 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Adding a source > > Ok, this is getting confusing. > > As I wrote, it would "ALSO" be nice to link the image -- but no, > that's not what I want to do for now. All I want for now is to add a > source. > > Now, everyone is saying there is an "Add Source" button. I don't see any. > I > see a "Source Box" button, if I click on my name on the upper right > corner. > They I go to sources and of course there is not any source there yet. > Then I can create a new source, and when I click there, there is a > completely blank template. Nothing pre-filled. > > Is that how it is supposed to work? > > I ask because I expected something else. Such as an "Add Source" that > would actually have pre-filled information about the collection I am > using (in this case, > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14863-41774-56). So that is > not supposed to happen, then? That's all I need to know. > > I am underwhelmed by what I see, but if this is it, then I'll use it. > I just want to make sure that this is it. > > Thanks. > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ?You are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.? 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Deanne Moore, and Kathy Shipley -- thank you. Now I have an answer to my question. The "Add a source" button is there for INDEXED records only -- not searchable record images. That's alright, I will go ahead and use what I have. I am thinking -- maybe instead of adding a non-standard source, I will simply post the link as I answer the question "why do you feel this information is correct?" -- Jorge -----Mensagem Original----- From: Deanne Moore Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:34 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Adding a source The "add to my source box" that you are looking for is on the indexed page of the source, NOT on the image page, nor on the first pages of possible matches when you are searching. So when you click on add to my source box it automatically creates the source with the citation all filled in for you. Your source box is a temporary holding box, you still go to the person then click on source box down in that person's sources area and then attach that source to the person. I highly recommend the best sourcing videos I have seen found on James Tanner's blog. His blog is well worth following as he creates many easy to understand videos relating to FamilySearch. See these two links: http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2013/04/adding-external-sources-to.html http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2013/04/adding-external-sources-to.html Best wishes in your endeavors. Deanne On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Shanna Jones <shannasjones@msn.com> wrote: > On the person view under sources, you will see both Create a New Source > AND > Go to Source Box. When you go to Create a New Source from a particular > person's screen, it adds it to that person. > > What I use and love is Tree Connect, as it adds sources from other sites, > not just FamilySearch. You find it at http://recordseek.com/ > > Shanna Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jorge > Todeschini > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:19 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Adding a source > > Ok, this is getting confusing. > > As I wrote, it would "ALSO" be nice to link the image -- but no, that's > not > what I want to do for now. All I want for now is to add a source. > > Now, everyone is saying there is an "Add Source" button. I don't see any. > I > see a "Source Box" button, if I click on my name on the upper right > corner. > They I go to sources and of course there is not any source there yet. Then > I > can create a new source, and when I click there, there is a completely > blank > template. Nothing pre-filled. > > Is that how it is supposed to work? > > I ask because I expected something else. Such as an "Add Source" that > would > actually have pre-filled information about the collection I am using (in > this case, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14863-41774-56). So > that is not supposed to happen, then? That's all I need to know. > > I am underwhelmed by what I see, but if this is it, then I'll use it. I > just > want to make sure that this is it. > > Thanks. > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- “You are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think.” A A Milne Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message