Hi folks, if a new patron jumps into Family Tree, finds and submits to the Temple great Grandpa based on a few notes on a scrap of paper, I'd guess we just created yet another duplicate record... If they have great grandpa in some kind of a database, (even family group sheets), we might have some hope that great grandpa is actually the real/right great grandpa. I see no way Family Tree can be used or useful to someone who does not have their own genealogy database.. How do you check for duplicates and evaluate dupes without knowing dates and places and relationships? And how can you know that unless you have that data (including living people) organized and accessible? Family Tree might be useful in having youth (whose family info is likely already in the database) find their ancestors, but without a working database that links everyone together, and puts the right info in the right place, I can't even imagine using it to submit Temple work... Regards, Fred

What about all those legacy names? Those that go back to 1997? I thought they might, in the future, release all those. Yes/no? Michele In a message dated 5/15/2013 9:35:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shannasjones@msn.com writes: Names released to the temple system in 2009 and before have a glitch. I'd give you a KD but the whole system is down. You have to go in and release each one and reserve them again to ever get them going again because there are too many for the engineers to work with. Shanna -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:24 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple Rather than hearing from 3rd party, I called Newport Beach Temple's recorder office. Here is what they said. This is the system they developed to serve 16 stakes. It is working very well. Patrons bring in their cards to be filed with their stake file drawers that are set up in foyer area. Each week the stake coordinators come in to pick up the completed cards and take back to their stakes to be returned to the persons. (the stake do maintain membership lists within their stakes, which is possible through stake/ward website via lds.org) To each temple a system is developed whatever work best. The ones I released to temple system are still there since 2009. My stake is assigned to 3 different temples due to language restrction at Salt Lake Temple which is English only. My stake has 4 different languages, English, Japanese (Dai Ichi, oldest Japanese speaking ward), Spanish and ASL (sign language.) This is something your stake might consider as a way forward to help members get more done. W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to know how they think it is "working well" since they just started it a week ago. :-) Besides "cutting" in line in front of "shared" cards, the system relies on a high councilor going to the temple weekly and retrieving the cards and returning them to stake members. Does that sound like a good way to lose cards to you?? Michele In a message dated 5/15/2013 9:25:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Rather than hearing from 3rd party, I called Newport Beach Temple's recorder office. Here is what they said. This is the system they developed to serve 16 stakes. It is working very well. Patrons bring in their cards to be filed with their stake file drawers that are set up in foyer area. Each week the stake coordinators come in to pick up the completed cards and take back to their stakes to be returned to the persons. (the stake do maintain membership lists within their stakes, which is possible through stake/ward website via lds.org) To each temple a system is developed whatever work best. The ones I released to temple system are still there since 2009. My stake is assigned to 3 different temples due to language restrction at Salt Lake Temple which is English only. My stake has 4 different languages, English, Japanese (Dai Ichi, oldest Japanese speaking ward), Spanish and ASL (sign language.) This is something your stake might consider as a way forward to help members get more done. W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Except that "shared" cards don't go to all temples. Every single one of the endowments and sealings I submit to the temple file comes back to the Newport Beach Temple (closest to my zip code) to be done. Michele In a message dated 5/15/2013 5:46:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bjackson41@comcast.net writes: People who have a lot of family file cards are expected to release them to be available for all temples to get done. The only advantage of hoarding them is an ego trip. bj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan Smith" <msgen@earthlink.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > In our Temple in Las Vegas, we have had a family file drawer for a long > time. Granted, we are a large temple, and I can understand your concerns > for > your small temple, but the patrons really like it. > > Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > JCBrooks@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:55 PM > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, > the > Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can > leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by > patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name > slips, patrons can do family names for others in their stake. > > While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo > the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple > file > which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small > temple, > the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will decrease > dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that names are > directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the > whole > FamilySearch temple system. > > I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the > FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. > > How are they getting away with this? > > Is it happening at any other temples? > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So has PAF completely gone away for ever now? IF so, that's sad. I usually refer newby's to that program because 1. cost (none), and 2. why spend lots of money if you don't know if you're going to get hooked on this fascinating hobby. You can always buy something with more bells & whistles later. If it hasn't gone away for good--where is it? Karen On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred <unclefvp@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi folks, if a new patron jumps into Family Tree, finds and submits to the > Temple great Grandpa based on a few notes on a scrap of paper, I'd guess we > just created yet another duplicate record... If they have great grandpa in > some kind of a database, (even family group sheets), we might have some > hope > that great grandpa is actually the real/right great grandpa. I see no way > Family Tree can be used or useful to someone who does not have their own > genealogy database.. How do you check for duplicates and evaluate dupes > without knowing dates and places and relationships? And how can you know > that unless you have that data (including living people) organized and > accessible? > Family Tree might be useful in having youth (whose family info is likely > already in the database) find their ancestors, but without a working > database that links everyone together, and puts the right info in the right > place, I can't even imagine using it to submit Temple work... > > > Regards, Fred > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

Exactly. I do not understand how this is being allowed by the temple department, unless they don't talk to the FamilySearch people. Two different responsibilities. I have also found that the new, full time, paid employee recorder at the temple is not very quick about FamiySearch!! Wow. There seems to be a disconnect. Michele In a message dated 5/15/2013 7:19:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, thomas.j.kemp@gmail.com writes: Why create a new bucket system? - Especially one that is paper-driven. The Provo Temple is serving 80 stakes. How many drawers will this approach take there? How long will it take to find cards that are filed in the wrong stake drawer/box? Isn't this really yesterday's approach? We're computerized now - let's run with that approach. Wouldn't it equalize the speed and perceived fairness, by using the new "Share" button and sharing our submitted names with all Temples - and not having them sidelined to the one where we happen to live? That way - all submitted names will be completed in the order in which they were submitted. All Temple goers and "name submitters" would have the satisfaction of knowing that they are helping out fellow Church members around the world - by doing the work and by providing names for the Temple coupled with the quiet satisfaction of seeing that their names are getting done. Let's equalize the flow - otherwise we'll all have to move to Provo if we want to ever see our names completed. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: > All family files and cards at the temple unless taken there personally to do > the work have been > foirbidden in the temples that I know of. I used to take 4 or 500 baptism > cards and 800 or > so sealings cards per week to the Salt Lake Temple and would pick them up > the next week > and leave a batch for the next week. This worked well and everyone seemed > pleased about it. > In January of 2011 this was supposed to be stopped entirely on a temple-wide > basis. > Any names for the temple to do were to come in through the system and not > through individuals > leaving them at the temple. This is strictly enforced in Salt Lake, Jordan > River, and Oquirrh > temples and I thought strictly enfored temple wide but now find that is not > the case. My > temple-shared names number more than 4,000 in the backlog--many from 2010. > Most > of these are children to parent sealings and male endowments. Baptisms and > sealing to > spouse seem to go very quickly. Others go very, very slowly. Female > endowments about > 5 to 6 months, male endowments about a year. I am puzzled why the children > to parents > sealings take so long--some from 2 years ago. > The idea behind this was to make patrons use the system to send names to the > temple. I > have followed this strictly for 2 years. If I can do something else to get > them done more > quickly, it would be great. BUT I am trying to follow the guidelines which > were certainly > strict starting in 2011. In fact, shortly after this went into effect and > was clearly stated > to temple workers not to do, a temple worker did take names and attempt to > leave them > and was severely reprimanded for not follow the protocol. > > Steve Kelsey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:55 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > >> Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, >> the >> Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can >> leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by >> patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name >> slips, >> patrons can do family names for others in their stake. >> >> While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to undo >> the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple >> file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a small >> temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will >> decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that >> names are >> directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the >> whole >> FamilySearch temple system. >> >> I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the >> FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. >> >> How are they getting away with this? >> >> Is it happening at any other temples? >> >> Michele >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To add to Alice's comment below- each of these free versions : Roots Magic, Legacy and Ancestral Quest, come with the ability to sync with FamilySearch without purchasing an additional add on program. I also agree that helping someone get their first temple names submitted to the temple quickly, and efficiently (after checking duplicates, following all the rules, and having enough info to uniquely identify them), gets them hooked. Then they are much more likely to stick with family history work and are excited to start their own personal management program. Monique > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:36:13 -0700 > From: "Alice Allen" <aiallen@iinet.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or > is Family Tree Enough? > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <017301ce5192$b220eb60$1662c220$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There are free versions of Roots Magic, Legacy, and Ancestral Quest, no need > to buy anything. > > Alice Allen > Oakhurst Ward, Vancouver WA Stake > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SCOTT KATHY > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:09 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is > Family Tree Enough? > > Shanna, PAF is the personal program I encourage new researchers to use > to get them hooked. It is free and teaches them the disciplines of > accurate work. Moving on to more can be easily discerned. > But I think you are making some very valid points; we should always > we aware of where our patrons are coming from and judge our advice > suits that. > > Thanks, > > Kathy from England

That's a wonderful article. Thanks for all your thoughts. I am going to copy that and post it in our Family History Center. So many people are resisting us when we consultants ask them to keep a personal database and even show them free genealogy programs. Your article is VERY convincing. Thanks, Sylvia York, PA -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Renee Zamora Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:11 AM To: LDS-Ward-Consultant-ML Subject: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough? Here is a link to an article I just wrote "Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough" http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2013/05/do-i-still-need-desktop-genealogy.html Hopefully this can help some of you when you are faced with this question by patrons. Renee Zamora Renee's Genealogy Blog: http://rzamor1.blogspot.com Website: www.harrisena.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suspect that the backlog of sealing children to parents in temple file is a reflection of temple use by patrons. I know that when I go to do sealings for family file, it is not unusual for the temple to have to scramble to find enough people willing to help out. Consider, for example, what is needed to seal a son to his parents: proxies for the parents and the son as well as two brothers to be witnesses. In my experience, the temples do the work as quickly as they have patrons available. Sister Tychonievich On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember > to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New system at the temple (Steve Kelsey) > 2. Re: New system at the temple (Thomas Jay Kemp) > 3. Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree > Enough? (Renee Zamora) > 4. Re: Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family > Tree Enough? (Naomi Martineau) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:44:56 -0600 > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP74F49670DF66A5D320D57BD1A20@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > All family files and cards at the temple unless taken there personally to > do > the work have been > foirbidden in the temples that I know of. I used to take 4 or 500 baptism > cards and 800 or > so sealings cards per week to the Salt Lake Temple and would pick them up > the next week > and leave a batch for the next week. This worked well and everyone seemed > pleased about it. > In January of 2011 this was supposed to be stopped entirely on a > temple-wide > basis. > Any names for the temple to do were to come in through the system and not > through individuals > leaving them at the temple. This is strictly enforced in Salt Lake, Jordan > River, and Oquirrh > temples and I thought strictly enfored temple wide but now find that is not > the case. My > temple-shared names number more than 4,000 in the backlog--many from 2010. > Most > of these are children to parent sealings and male endowments. Baptisms and > sealing to > spouse seem to go very quickly. Others go very, very slowly. Female > endowments about > 5 to 6 months, male endowments about a year. I am puzzled why the > children > to parents > sealings take so long--some from 2 years ago. > The idea behind this was to make patrons use the system to send names to > the > temple. I > have followed this strictly for 2 years. If I can do something else to get > them done more > quickly, it would be great. BUT I am trying to follow the guidelines which > were certainly > strict starting in 2011. In fact, shortly after this went into effect and > was clearly stated > to temple workers not to do, a temple worker did take names and attempt to > leave them > and was severely reprimanded for not follow the protocol. > > Steve Kelsey > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:55 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > > > Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, > > the > > Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can > > leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by > > patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name > > slips, > > patrons can do family names for others in their stake. > > > > While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to > undo > > the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple > > file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a > small > > temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will > > decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that > > names are > > directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the > > whole > > FamilySearch temple system. > > > > I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the > > FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. > > > > How are they getting away with this? > > > > Is it happening at any other temples? > > > > Michele > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:18:09 -0400 > From: Thomas Jay Kemp <thomas.j.kemp@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAFnPa7Z6auGtV= > 5iVKsGunzrLW7B9GpKzMdaPsDzQw+QPvDTNw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Why create a new bucket system? - Especially one that is paper-driven. > The Provo Temple is serving 80 stakes. > How many drawers will this approach take there? > How long will it take to find cards that are filed in the wrong stake > drawer/box? > Isn't this really yesterday's approach? > We're computerized now - let's run with that approach. > > Wouldn't it equalize the speed and perceived fairness, by using the > new "Share" button and sharing our submitted names with all Temples - > and not having them sidelined to the one where we happen to live? > > That way - all submitted names will be completed in the order in which > they were submitted. > > All Temple goers and "name submitters" would have the satisfaction of > knowing that they are helping out fellow Church members around the > world - by doing the work and by providing names for the Temple > coupled with the quiet satisfaction of seeing that their names are > getting done. > > Let's equalize the flow - otherwise we'll all have to move to Provo if > we want to ever see our names completed. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: > > All family files and cards at the temple unless taken there personally > to do > > the work have been > > foirbidden in the temples that I know of. I used to take 4 or 500 > baptism > > cards and 800 or > > so sealings cards per week to the Salt Lake Temple and would pick them up > > the next week > > and leave a batch for the next week. This worked well and everyone > seemed > > pleased about it. > > In January of 2011 this was supposed to be stopped entirely on a > temple-wide > > basis. > > Any names for the temple to do were to come in through the system and not > > through individuals > > leaving them at the temple. This is strictly enforced in Salt Lake, > Jordan > > River, and Oquirrh > > temples and I thought strictly enfored temple wide but now find that is > not > > the case. My > > temple-shared names number more than 4,000 in the backlog--many from > 2010. > > Most > > of these are children to parent sealings and male endowments. Baptisms > and > > sealing to > > spouse seem to go very quickly. Others go very, very slowly. Female > > endowments about > > 5 to 6 months, male endowments about a year. I am puzzled why the > children > > to parents > > sealings take so long--some from 2 years ago. > > The idea behind this was to make patrons use the system to send names to > the > > temple. I > > have followed this strictly for 2 years. If I can do something else to > get > > them done more > > quickly, it would be great. BUT I am trying to follow the guidelines > which > > were certainly > > strict starting in 2011. In fact, shortly after this went into effect > and > > was clearly stated > > to temple workers not to do, a temple worker did take names and attempt > to > > leave them > > and was severely reprimanded for not follow the protocol. > > > > Steve Kelsey > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:55 AM > > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > > > > > >> Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the San Diego Temple, > >> the > >> Newport Beach temple has initiated a stake temple file where patrons can > >> leave their printed cards for others to do. It is freely accessed by > >> patrons in a bureau in the foyer. Rather than take temple issued name > >> slips, > >> patrons can do family names for others in their stake. > >> > >> While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to > undo > >> the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the temple > >> file which they or their own family cannot finish. Since we have a > small > >> temple, the volume of names which will be served by the temple file will > >> decrease dramatically. This, coupled with the fact that we know that > >> names are > >> directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to the > >> whole > >> FamilySearch temple system. > >> > >> I am personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the > >> FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the rules. > >> > >> How are they getting away with this? > >> > >> Is it happening at any other temples? > >> > >> Michele > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:11:14 -0600 > From: Renee Zamora <harrisena@gmail.com> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is > Family Tree Enough? > To: LDS-Ward-Consultant-ML <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAJhpgqPMR7zudXbLF_X2FfkRuN-HF1qbiru+AN4b1Eqi0y+ROw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Here is a link to an article I just wrote "Do I Still Need a Desktop > Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough" > > http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2013/05/do-i-still-need-desktop-genealogy.html > > Hopefully this can help some of you when you are faced with this question > by patrons. > > Renee Zamora > Renee's Genealogy Blog: > http://rzamor1.blogspot.com > Website: www.harrisena.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Naomi Martineau <naomiaznm@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or > is Family Tree Enough? > To: "lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com" > <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1368632094.18996.YahooMailNeo@web140104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Wow, that's thorough!? Thanks! > Naomi in NM > > > ________________________________ > From: Renee Zamora <harrisena@gmail.com> > To: LDS-Ward-Consultant-ML <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:11 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family > Tree Enough? > > > Here is a link to an article I just wrote "Do I Still Need a Desktop > Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough" > > http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2013/05/do-i-still-need-desktop-genealogy.html > > Hopefully this can help some of you when you are faced with this question > by patrons. > > Renee Zamora > Renee's Genealogy Blog: > http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/ > Website: www.harrisena.com > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 183 > *************************************************** >

not all can be released and reserve, some have to be reported to team to do it. been there and done it. David Samuelsen On 5/15/2013 10:34 AM, Shanna Jones wrote: > Names released to the temple system in 2009 and before have a glitch. I'd > give you a KD but the whole system is down. You have to go in and release > each one and reserve them again to ever get them going again because there > are too many for the engineers to work with. > Shanna

Eventually..... Ron Tanner talked about the Shared tab being updated and when a patron goes to the temple they will have their recommend scanned and they guy will say: Oh, you are in the ** ward, Sister Jones has names, would you like to do one for her? Or You are in the *** stake, Brother Smith has names, do you want one? Or You are part of the Stephenson family, they have names available, would you like one? I don't know the logistics of how that will work, when and how the card will be printed, but that is how I think they are envisioning the shared tab working in the future. Shanna -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JCBrooks@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:49 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple I want to know how they think it is "working well" since they just started it a week ago. :-) Besides "cutting" in line in front of "shared" cards, the system relies on a high councilor going to the temple weekly and retrieving the cards and returning them to stake members. Does that sound like a good way to lose cards to you?? Michele In a message dated 5/15/2013 9:25:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Rather than hearing from 3rd party, I called Newport Beach Temple's recorder office. Here is what they said. This is the system they developed to serve 16 stakes. It is working very well. Patrons bring in their cards to be filed with their stake file drawers that are set up in foyer area. Each week the stake coordinators come in to pick up the completed cards and take back to their stakes to be returned to the persons. (the stake do maintain membership lists within their stakes, which is possible through stake/ward website via lds.org) To each temple a system is developed whatever work best. The ones I released to temple system are still there since 2009. My stake is assigned to 3 different temples due to language restrction at Salt Lake Temple which is English only. My stake has 4 different languages, English, Japanese (Dai Ichi, oldest Japanese speaking ward), Spanish and ASL (sign language.) This is something your stake might consider as a way forward to help members get more done. W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a ward consultant, Ihave found it can seem overwhelming to "newbies" to try and look at the plethora of individual software products out there.  Starting with FamilySearch, in contrast, can be fairly easy once initial entry has been established.  I have been successful in a few cases, sitting down one-to-one with a patron, talking about the most common free programs and actually downloading one on the spot for them to use.  If they had previous familiarity with PAF, AncestralQuest has the closest-looking format and use (and a free basic version).   Carolyn White --- On Wed, 5/15/13, SCOTT KATHY <kathyscott1@ntlworld.com> wrote: From: SCOTT KATHY <kathyscott1@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 10:09 AM Shanna, PAF is the personal program I encourage new researchers to use to get them hooked. It is free and teaches them the disciplines of accurate work. Moving on to more can be easily discerned. But I think you are making  some very valid points; we should always we aware of where our patrons are coming from and judge our advice suits that. Thanks, Kathy from England On 15/05/2013, Shanna Jones <shannasjones@msn.com> wrote: > Please don't make every patron purchase a third party product just to begin > their family history and submit one name.  The Family History department is > trying to create success experiences and I have had several patrons go to > family history centers only to become so overwhelmed and discouraged > because > they have to buy RootsMagic and sync with PAF and then sync with RootsMagic > and Family Tree and all they really wanted to do was to look at their > family > tree and see if their great grandpa had his work done.  We do not need to > make every patron become a genealogist, we want to turn their hearts first. > > > Family History Center workers and consultants are not allowed to recommend > or insist that anyone use or buy a third-party product.  They are to refer > them to familysearch.org/products and let them chose for themselves. > > Yes, I use third-party products, as many as I can and I love them, but I've > been at this for over 20 years.  But it is so overwhelming for new people > (you know the 97.5% of adult members who don't do family history) that we > want them to have success using Family Tree first, then we will let them > decide if they need another product to make charts, add their > grandchildren, > organize, do research etc.  Please don't scare them away and overwhelm > them, > help them have a positive experience. > > Ok, off the soap box...... > Shanna Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy > Shipley > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:11 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is > Family Tree Enough? > > Thanks Renee for a great recap of the discussions at RootsTech 2013! > I have been emphasizing this to the patrons in my Family History Center for > a number of years.  Sometimes they listen.  They especially take note when > their family information gets changed and they don't know how to correct > it. > > > I too would like to post this in my center and re-emphasize it to my staff, > if it's alright with you. > > Kathy Shipley > Director > Yuba City CA Stake FHCtr > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They do send to all temples once printed to a temple it if it stays three months it goes back into the system.   ________________________________ From: Jerry Cowley <jbcowley@rmci.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 11:35:47 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple It seems to me that the temples were advised not to do wholesale over-the-counter family file names but to encourage people to submit them through the system about the time that formal name extraction ended (around 2011).  We are all going to need to submit names to provide "temple names" for our brethren who are not so fortunate right now. But about the time the First Presidency letter came out last fall, there was a huge number of cards just surrendered to the temples, particularly male endowments and sealings. Our temple has enough male endowments from that event to last two or three years, so the online names given to the temple have slowed down. Each temple has some unique attendance characteristics and will set some practices accordingly.  What works for one may work for others with similar characteristics, but not all others. We need to encourage temple attendance in general as well as with family file names. We also need to remember that we see things from our own needs and perspectives and are not privy to some of the overall trends that those in other callings may have.  All the names submitted to the temple will eventually get done. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8335 (20130515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They are available for all temples but if your temple in your district needs cards they send them there. ________________________________ From: "JCBrooks@aol.com" <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 11:44:44 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple Except that "shared" cards don't go to all temples.  Every single one  of the endowments and sealings I submit to the temple file comes back to the  Newport Beach Temple (closest to my zip code) to be done. Michele In a message dated 5/15/2013 5:46:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  bjackson41@comcast.net writes: People  who have a lot of family file cards are expected to release them to be  available for all temples to get done.  The only advantage of hoarding  them is an ego trip. bj ----- Original Message ----- From:  "Megan Smith" <msgen@earthlink.net> To:  <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:33  AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple > In our  Temple in Las Vegas, we have had a family file drawer for a long > time.  Granted, we are a large temple, and I can understand your concerns >  for > your small temple, but the patrons really like it. > >  Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From:  lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >  [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >  JCBrooks@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:55 PM > To:  LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] New system at the  temple > > Supposedly copying a successful program in use at the  San Diego Temple, > the > Newport Beach temple has initiated a  stake temple file where patrons can > leave  their printed cards  for others to do.  It is freely accessed by > patrons in  a  bureau in the foyer.  Rather than take temple issued name > slips,  patrons  can do family names for others in their stake. > >  While on the surface, this sounds like a nice idea, it seems to me to  undo > the "first come first serve" plan when folks submit names to the  temple > file > which they or their own family cannot  finish.  Since we have a small > temple, > the volume of  names which will be served by the temple file will decrease >  dramatically.  This, coupled with the fact that we know that names  are > directed to the closest temple of the submitter, seems contrary to  the > whole > FamilySearch temple system. > > I am  personally frustrated as I have 600+ names waiting in line in the >  FamilySearch temple file to be served and I played by the  rules. > > How are they getting away with this? > > Is  it happening at any other temples? > > Michele > >  Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >  LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the  word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the  body of the message > > > Please send the one word message  SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >  LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the  word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or  UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Family Tree is now up and working. -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:31 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilySearch.org off line until afternoon Called headquarters - 503 Service Unavailable. They said they are working on it - it is whole server place. And should be back online in late afternoon (that's more than 4 hours waiting. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please don't make every patron purchase a third party product just to begin their family history and submit one name. The Family History department is trying to create success experiences and I have had several patrons go to family history centers only to become so overwhelmed and discouraged because they have to buy RootsMagic and sync with PAF and then sync with RootsMagic and Family Tree and all they really wanted to do was to look at their family tree and see if their great grandpa had his work done. We do not need to make every patron become a genealogist, we want to turn their hearts first. Family History Center workers and consultants are not allowed to recommend or insist that anyone use or buy a third-party product. They are to refer them to familysearch.org/products and let them chose for themselves. Yes, I use third-party products, as many as I can and I love them, but I've been at this for over 20 years. But it is so overwhelming for new people (you know the 97.5% of adult members who don't do family history) that we want them to have success using Family Tree first, then we will let them decide if they need another product to make charts, add their grandchildren, organize, do research etc. Please don't scare them away and overwhelm them, help them have a positive experience. Ok, off the soap box...... Shanna Jones -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Shipley Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:11 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough? Thanks Renee for a great recap of the discussions at RootsTech 2013! I have been emphasizing this to the patrons in my Family History Center for a number of years. Sometimes they listen. They especially take note when their family information gets changed and they don't know how to correct it. I too would like to post this in my center and re-emphasize it to my staff, if it's alright with you. Kathy Shipley Director Yuba City CA Stake FHCtr

I am also in the Portland temple district. Whenever I've been there on a Ward/Stake day, I've seen piles of name slips on the counter with a Stake & Ward card behind it, for patrons to take a name if they'd like. Would think there are also name slips on other days as well--we can't be the only stake who has patrons doing this. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward/Vancouver WA Stake -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lyn Lou Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:18 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] New system at the temple This is just an opinion from a Family History Consultant and Temple Patron. I like the idea of having a place for our Stake Temple Names to be done. We have a large Temple the Portland Temple. I think it would help us draw closer as a Stake. I would be delighted to work on Stake names as well as my own. Of course I know we need to do what is best.

There are free versions of Roots Magic, Legacy, and Ancestral Quest, no need to buy anything. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward, Vancouver WA Stake -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SCOTT KATHY Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:09 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Do I Still Need a Desktop Genealogy Program or is Family Tree Enough? Shanna, PAF is the personal program I encourage new researchers to use to get them hooked. It is free and teaches them the disciplines of accurate work. Moving on to more can be easily discerned. But I think you are making some very valid points; we should always we aware of where our patrons are coming from and judge our advice suits that. Thanks, Kathy from England

PAF is available at familysearch.org/products I use PAF for those new to family history also Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Karen Tippets <sahara346@gmail.com> wrote: > So has PAF completely gone away for ever now? IF so, that's sad. I > usually refer newby's to that program because 1. cost (none), and 2. why > spend lots of money if you don't know if you're going to get hooked on this > fascinating hobby. You can always buy something with more bells & whistles > later. > > If it hasn't gone away for good--where is it? > > Karen > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred <unclefvp@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Hi folks, if a new patron jumps into Family Tree, finds and submits to the >> Temple great Grandpa based on a few notes on a scrap of paper, I'd guess we >> just created yet another duplicate record... If they have great grandpa in >> some kind of a database, (even family group sheets), we might have some >> hope >> that great grandpa is actually the real/right great grandpa. I see no way >> Family Tree can be used or useful to someone who does not have their own >> genealogy database.. How do you check for duplicates and evaluate dupes >> without knowing dates and places and relationships? And how can you know >> that unless you have that data (including living people) organized and >> accessible? >> Family Tree might be useful in having youth (whose family info is likely >> already in the database) find their ancestors, but without a working >> database that links everyone together, and puts the right info in the right >> place, I can't even imagine using it to submit Temple work... >> >> >> Regards, Fred >> >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just > one! > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems to me that the temples were advised not to do wholesale over-the-counter family file names but to encourage people to submit them through the system about the time that formal name extraction ended (around 2011). We are all going to need to submit names to provide "temple names" for our brethren who are not so fortunate right now. But about the time the First Presidency letter came out last fall, there was a huge number of cards just surrendered to the temples, particularly male endowments and sealings. Our temple has enough male endowments from that event to last two or three years, so the online names given to the temple have slowed down. Each temple has some unique attendance characteristics and will set some practices accordingly. What works for one may work for others with similar characteristics, but not all others. We need to encourage temple attendance in general as well as with family file names. We also need to remember that we see things from our own needs and perspectives and are not privy to some of the overall trends that those in other callings may have. All the names submitted to the temple will eventually get done. Jerry __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8335 (20130515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com