Ivan, Check and see if the two people are listed as different sexes, or there is no death date for one (computer won't merge a dead person with a living person). Been there... P.S. Just a polite reminder to all on the list-when hitting reply-please edit your responses so that only the question or comment you are replying to is visible. It can be difficult to get through all the repeat postings and my scroll button is wearing out. :) Message: 2 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:08:38 -0600 From: "Ivan P. Pack" <pack1096@q.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <50DFB097EBEB477FB8B6B8276CA8CEEE@DBSTMT11> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original In trying to clean up my line on Family Tree, I have run into the situation where the merge function will not work - an error message says merges can not be performed on this person. Is anyone else having this problem or know why this is happening? *******************************************

Sometimes it works after a few days. Try a different browser. These are things that have worked for me lately. Different genders cannot be merged. Delete the wrong one. Ann A. On 5/31/2013 4:47 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote: > it can be various reasons for it to happen, try switch the PIDs. > > 1. Ordinances already done > 2. Mis-merges - check nFS - combined records for that person (follow 106612) > 3. IOUS or Whales (oversized combined records) > 4. LDS Membership Records always take precede over non-LDS record. > > David Samuelsen > > On 5/31/2013 1:08 PM, Ivan P. Pack wrote: >> In trying to clean up my line on Family Tree, I have run into the situation >> where the merge function will not work - an error message says merges can >> not be performed on this person. Is anyone else having this problem or know >> why this is happening? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> >> To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; >> <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree >> >> >>> Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the >>> FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there >>> who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at >>> that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates >>> and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not >>> now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me >>> there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't >>> yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. >>> >>> Miles Meyer >>> Jacksonville, FL >>> >>> "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get >>> better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < >>> mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right >>>> on target. >>>> >>>> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my >>>> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. >>>> >>>> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in >>>> a >>>> newly published book. >>>> >>>> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They >>>> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of >>>> his >>>> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. >>>> >>>> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to >>>> my husband. >>>> >>>> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed >>>> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. >>>> >>>> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the >>>> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to >>>> Joseph Smith) >>>> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his >>>> third wife and many of his children did.) >>>> >>>> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also >>>> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to >>>> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected >>>> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) >>>> >>>> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination >>>> and >>>> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of >>>> correcting >>>> these relationships. >>>> >>>> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family >>>> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many >>>> family members. >>>> >>>> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these >>>> changes who will? If not now, when? >>>> >>>> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be >>>> interested? It might not happen. >>>> >>>> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are >>>> able >>>> to do so. >>>> >>>> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at >>>> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge >>>> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these >>>> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, >>>> than we can move to another family. >>>> >>>> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer >>>> insights or feedback. >>>> >>>> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. >>>> >>>> Mary Scott >>>> Aurora, Illinois >>>> >>>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have seen this a lot in Scandinavian lines. I offered to help my daughter-in-law with some research and found that someone had gone to all the end-of-line lines, added Jens and Mrs. Jens, Christen and Mrs. Christen, Hans and Mrs. Hans, etc., etc. and reserved temple work for them. No attempt was made at any kind of research or documentation. Once something like this is allowed to go through, who is going to go in to see what if any documentation can be found? Say, such as checking for the death and burial records to determine actual names? What kind of an identity is that? Jean Ohai On 5/31/2013 12:55 PM, [1]lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:21:30 -0300 From: Jorge Todeschini [2]<jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree T " Well, I have the impression that assumptions were somewhat encouraged. I have seen a lot of end-of-line John Does getting sealed to Mr. and Mrs. Doe, born approximately 25 and 21 years before John in the same location. . . " References 1. mailto:lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com

Does that feature carry PAF (or GEDCOM) sources along with the basic data? > From: sjkelsey@msn.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:47:00 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > Has anyone tried the new upload gedcom thing? I tried it today. Quite > interesting--it compares each individual you upload with what is or what is > not in ft and then you can choose what info to add or to add a new person. > It saved me a little bit of typing which why I did it. when I use that > feature I only add a few people to avoid typing all of them in myself. > > Steve Kelsey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; > <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > > > Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the > > FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there > > who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at > > that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates > > and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not > > now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me > > there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't > > yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. > > > > Miles Meyer > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < > > mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right > >> on target. > >> > >> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my > >> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. > >> > >> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in > >> a > >> newly published book. > >> > >> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They > >> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of > >> his > >> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. > >> > >> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to > >> my husband. > >> > >> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed > >> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. > >> > >> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the > >> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to > >> Joseph Smith) > >> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his > >> third wife and many of his children did.) > >> > >> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also > >> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to > >> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected > >> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) > >> > >> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination > >> and > >> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of > >> correcting > >> these relationships. > >> > >> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family > >> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many > >> family members. > >> > >> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these > >> changes who will? If not now, when? > >> > >> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be > >> interested? It might not happen. > >> > >> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are > >> able > >> to do so. > >> > >> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at > >> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge > >> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these > >> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, > >> than we can move to another family. > >> > >> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer > >> insights or feedback. > >> > >> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. > >> > >> Mary Scott > >> Aurora, Illinois > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, I have the impression that assumptions were somewhat encouraged. I have seen a lot of end-of-line John Does getting sealed to Mr. and Mrs. Doe, born approximately 25 and 21 years before John in the same location. My wife has an ancestor born in 1763 who married in 1784, had 16 children from 1785 to 1809, then widowed and married again and had 7 more children from 1810 to 1826. Someone found the record for this 1826 baby and assumed he married his second wife in 1825, then estimated his birth date as 1800. In 1800 he already had 11 children. Submitting a man born 1763 in Uruguay and having the FHC CD pick up that he was a duplicate with a man "born" in 1800 in Brazil -- now that would have been a feat. Good thing we got nFS -- and even better with Family Tree. > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 11:50:51 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > Actually this was long before there was nFS, even before Ancestral File. > I see a lot of assumptions in the records long before 1983. > > Only in nFS, this was brought to light. > > David > > On 5/31/2013 11:07 AM, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > I really don't understand how the data got so convoluted during a move. I > > knew about some families that had been "tampered" with by (thinking of a > > nice word, not moron or idiot) unknowledgable individuals:-) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still, it is less trouble to straighten it out on FT than it was on nFS. > From: grdavis@centurytel.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:58:15 -0700 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > I was working on NFS yesterday and will start working from now on with Family Tree to straighten out the line I worked with yesterday. I was aghast to find on a Richards line, which I thought was in good order, that a person had gone in and entered death and burial dates of 2012 for people born in the 1700's. In addition, new lines have been brought in by adding people that don't really belong in a particular family. Some of the entries now have couples as their own parents, e.g., John and Sally are the couple and John and Sally are the parents also (same people). It is discouraging to put in so many hours with well researched data and then have it all convoluted It will take many hours to try and straighten this out if it is even possible. I am afraid this will be a perpetual problem. > > Gay Davis

it can be various reasons for it to happen, try switch the PIDs. 1. Ordinances already done 2. Mis-merges - check nFS - combined records for that person (follow 106612) 3. IOUS or Whales (oversized combined records) 4. LDS Membership Records always take precede over non-LDS record. David Samuelsen On 5/31/2013 1:08 PM, Ivan P. Pack wrote: > In trying to clean up my line on Family Tree, I have run into the situation > where the merge function will not work - an error message says merges can > not be performed on this person. Is anyone else having this problem or know > why this is happening? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; > <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > >> Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the >> FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there >> who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at >> that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates >> and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not >> now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me >> there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't >> yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. >> >> Miles Meyer >> Jacksonville, FL >> >> "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get >> better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax >> >> >> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < >> mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right >>> on target. >>> >>> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my >>> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. >>> >>> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in >>> a >>> newly published book. >>> >>> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They >>> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of >>> his >>> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. >>> >>> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to >>> my husband. >>> >>> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed >>> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. >>> >>> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the >>> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to >>> Joseph Smith) >>> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his >>> third wife and many of his children did.) >>> >>> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also >>> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to >>> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected >>> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) >>> >>> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination >>> and >>> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of >>> correcting >>> these relationships. >>> >>> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family >>> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many >>> family members. >>> >>> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these >>> changes who will? If not now, when? >>> >>> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be >>> interested? It might not happen. >>> >>> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are >>> able >>> to do so. >>> >>> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at >>> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge >>> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these >>> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, >>> than we can move to another family. >>> >>> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer >>> insights or feedback. >>> >>> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. >>> >>> Mary Scott >>> Aurora, Illinois >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

and screwy, check the custom events getting duplicated from vitals. it is currently suspended via "Genealogies". It has 5 major flaws to correct. I or anyone else haven't heard back since I was contacted two weeks ago. David S. On 5/31/2013 12:47 PM, Steve Kelsey wrote: > Has anyone tried the new upload gedcom thing? I tried it today. Quite > interesting--it compares each individual you upload with what is or what is > not in ft and then you can choose what info to add or to add a new person. > It saved me a little bit of typing which why I did it. when I use that > feature I only add a few people to avoid typing all of them in myself. > > Steve Kelsey

We need a delete button though. I am sure I am not the only one who has been distracted while working with the computer and suddenly find something going in where it DOES NOT belong and was not intended to go, but for the computer gremlins that sometimes think it's funny to pull tricks on us? (Is the computer world the place that the trolls and gremlins retreated to when people decided they didn't believe in them any more?) Karen On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the important thing is to make sure you have a good amount of the > source info so they don't get combined. In my case, the Ohio birth and > death records are pretty complete so I can attach those records to indicate > they are different people. I have also been attaching the Find A Grave > records to show they are different. I think the "Not a match" makes it a > little more difficult by adding additional steps but I don't think it makes > it impossible to merge if you want to put the work in (not completely sure > since I haven't encountered that yet). I have marked a few possible matches > as "Not a match" but haven't gone back to see what happens to those > records. The other thing I have been doing is I send all the contributors > listed an e-mail letting them know that I am "messing around" in their > names making edits and adding information. So far that has worked and we > have been able to discuss the possible problems. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Jorge Todeschini < > jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Very interesting. > > > > I am concerned this might happen to baby brothers who die as infants and > > receive the same name one after the other. > > > > What would have happened if you had found the "possible match" before the > > records were combined and marked them as "not the same person"? Would FT > > still have allowed them to be combined? > > > > > From: milesmeyer@gmail.com > > > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:25:10 -0400 > > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Delete button > > > > > > Thanks for the link to the document. I experienced a problem the other > > day > > > where two brothers, Bernard Henry Stueve and Henry Bernard Stueve were > > > combined by FamilySearch. The only thing I could do was make sure that > > > Bernard Henry's information was correct and then re-add Henry Bernard > to > > > the family. This meant that Henry Bernard no longer had his temple > > > ordinance info associated with him. I was able to sync with nFS and > > upload > > > the "unofficial" ordinance records from my file. Now his record says > > > "Complete" but no information is listed as to when and where the > > ordinances > > > were done. > > > > > > Miles Meyer > > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to > get > > > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Scott and Tammy Stevenson < > > > sstevenson@safelink.net> wrote: > > > > > > > The delete button caution says: "It is recommended that you delete > > people > > > > only if you added a person by mistake or if the person never > existed." > > > > I think that is a good option because I have seen where people have > > added > > > > names and information in by mistake before really searching and > > verifying > > > > the person (and listing the wrong person/information)- only then to > > figure > > > > out they made a mistake and can't figure out how to get rid of that > > wrong > > > > person once they figure out the right person. Additionally it should > be > > > > helpful in deleting out the people listed with the incorrect gender- > > as one > > > > cannot merge individuals of different genders. > > > > > > > > As for the uncombine option- don't wait for that appear. With the > new > > > > merging, that option is not possible. In new.familysearch.org all > > > > information merged was kept in separate "little files" and so it was > > easy > > > > to > > > > uncombine or separate those files out. With the merge in Family > > Search- > > > > there are no "little files" to easily separate out, only the selected > > > > information is saved and put in one record/file. The unmerge button > > will > > > > only appear until changes have been made in that newly created > record. > > > > Once > > > > changes have been made, the computer doesn't know to which of the > > records > > > > the changes apply.... so it cannot uncombine. The option is to > make > > > > separations manually. Here's a link to the white paper about how > to > > > > separate people who have been incorrectly combined in > new.familysearch. > > > > > > > > > > > http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/FamilyTree/ > > > > pdf/familyTreeNotMyAncestorWhitepaper.pdf > > > > The issue there still remains, that in creating a new person, the > > > > ordinances > > > > will show as available- and probably have already been done (multiple > > times > > > > in some cases.) There is supposed to be a "Fix" in the works for an > > > > ordinance assignment option, but it hasn't been released yet. > > > > > > > > If changes are well sourced and documented, it is hoped that others > > will > > > > not > > > > come back in and change those records. > > > > > > > > Dive into Family Tree- it really does have a lot of great options! > Not > > > > perfect, but I think superior to new.familysearch in the ability to > > really > > > > correct errors! And sourcing, stories and photos are amazing! > > > > Tammy Stevenson > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Message: 3 > > > > Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 19:21:38 -0400 (EDT) > > > > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > > > > Subject: [LDS-WC] Delete button > > > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > > > Message-ID: <71b04.50d1a8db.3ed93902@aol.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > > > Is anyone as concerned as I am about the delete button? We should be > > > > merging first before deleting as I believe ordinances could well be > > lost. > > > > Plus > > > > there is so much disagreement in some families, particularly non-LDS > > lines, > > > > about research. Frankly Family Tree is embarrassing to me when I > look > > at > > > > what a mess they and others have made of simple pure, well documented > > > > families. > > > > > > > > Like others, I am waiting until they straighten out more before I > > spend any > > > > great amount of time fixing things. It is so frustrating and we only > > have > > > > half the tools. Uncombining is sure more important than delete!! > > > > > > > > Michele > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/managing-your-family-records-on-the-internet/26 https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/step-1-discover-your-story/737 On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Adilia Mack Mata <momofason@hotmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > I was invited to give a presentation next week on keeping family records. > The goal is to inspire members and non-members to research their family > history. Usually, I' asked to teach a beginners or advanced class on > research. Feeling a little lost here! > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Many thanks, > Lia > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That sounds unclear to me. Do they want you to talk about preserving pictures, filing documents or keeping journals?!!! Or all of the above! Michele In a message dated 5/31/2013 10:35:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, momofason@hotmail.com writes: Hi, I was invited to give a presentation next week on keeping family records. The goal is to inspire members and non-members to research their family history. Usually, I' asked to teach a beginners or advanced class on research. Feeling a little lost here! Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Lia Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SOMEHOW, (I don't have the answer as to how to actually achieve it), we have to convince the members & general public that a beloved family member's work is NOT on the same level of accuracy as a direct revelation from God, and that there has only been one person who ever walked the earth that DID NOT make a mistake, and He isn't the one who did their genealogy. The rest of us occasionally make mistakes because there are often more than one person with the name we are searching for in the same community, and as one of my ancestors did--was born within the year of another cousin, had the same given name (no middle names or initials recorded anywhere to help differentiate the two), had the same father's name, lived in the same parish in Scotland, immigrated to Canada the same year to the same village in New Brunswick. Is it any wonder that for awhile I followed the wrong Mary, after talking to a cousin that I found up there who insisted that he knew the right one (but was wrong). I am actually related to both Mary's, but only one is my gr-gr-grandmother. I have known many who think that their genealogy is perfect, despite the fact that if you look at the records of 10 different cousins, some of the people on those sheets have ten different birth dates & 9 different birth places, just as a for instance. Obviously, they can't all be right! If we find a mistake, whether we made it or somebody else made it--FIX IT, document the correct information and move on. It's always possible that as we do this, we may find a child that was inadvertently left out, or a child that left the church as an adult who has lotss of descendants needing temple work that we could possibly do without even beginning to touch the time period that we have to get permission to do it. Some of the messes in my very distant ancestry I havent touched because I don't think the records I've found are very reliable, even though I can see that what's up on Family Tree can't be right either...so I work with what I know I can find, until FT's glitches get worked out and then maybe I will try to sort some of those out. Karen On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:50 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > Actually this was long before there was nFS, even before Ancestral File. > I see a lot of assumptions in the records long before 1983. > > Only in nFS, this was brought to light. > > David > > On 5/31/2013 11:07 AM, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > > I really don't understand how the data got so convoluted during a move. > I > > knew about some families that had been "tampered" with by (thinking of a > > nice word, not moron or idiot) unknowledgable individuals:-) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

This happened to me too this past week. There was a message that the files could not be merged now but it would be possible to merge them once NFS is closed.   Mary Scott Aurora, Illinois ________________________________ From: Ivan P. Pack <pack1096@q.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree In trying to clean up my line on Family Tree, I have run into the situation where the merge function will not work - an error message says merges can not be performed on this person.  Is anyone else having this problem or know why this is happening? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the > FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there > who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at > that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates > and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not > now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me > there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't > yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < > mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right >> on target. >> >> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my >> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. >> >> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in >> a >> newly published book. >> >> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They >> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of >> his >> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. >> >> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to >> my husband. >> >> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed >> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. >> >> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the >> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to >> Joseph Smith) >> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his >> third wife and many of his children did.) >> >> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also >> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to >> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected >> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) >> >> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination >> and >> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of >> correcting >> these relationships. >> >> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family >> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many >> family members. >> >> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these >> changes who will? If not now, when? >> >> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be >> interested? It might not happen. >> >> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are >> able >> to do so. >> >> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at >> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge >> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these >> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, >> than we can move to another family. >> >> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer >> insights or feedback. >> >> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. >> >> Mary Scott >> Aurora, Illinois >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In trying to clean up my line on Family Tree, I have run into the situation where the merge function will not work - an error message says merges can not be performed on this person. Is anyone else having this problem or know why this is happening? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the > FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there > who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at > that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates > and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not > now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me > there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't > yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < > mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right >> on target. >> >> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my >> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. >> >> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in >> a >> newly published book. >> >> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They >> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of >> his >> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. >> >> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to >> my husband. >> >> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed >> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. >> >> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the >> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to >> Joseph Smith) >> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his >> third wife and many of his children did.) >> >> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also >> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to >> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected >> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) >> >> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination >> and >> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of >> correcting >> these relationships. >> >> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family >> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many >> family members. >> >> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these >> changes who will? If not now, when? >> >> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be >> interested? It might not happen. >> >> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are >> able >> to do so. >> >> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at >> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge >> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these >> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, >> than we can move to another family. >> >> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer >> insights or feedback. >> >> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. >> >> Mary Scott >> Aurora, Illinois >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Gay. That's why I am waiting a little long until they pronounce this thing "done" to make the monumental efforts to fix everything that was messed up during the move. In the meanwhile, I'm concentrating on research for myself and others to extend lines and move temple work forward. It's all worthy effort.. I really don't understand how the data got so convoluted during a move. I knew about some families that had been "tampered" with by (thinking of a nice word, not moron or idiot) unknowledgable individuals :-) Michele In a message dated 5/31/2013 9:59:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grdavis@centurytel.net writes: I was working on NFS yesterday and will start working from now on with Family Tree to straighten out the line I worked with yesterday. I was aghast to find on a Richards line, which I thought was in good order, that a person had gone in and entered death and burial dates of 2012 for people born in the 1700's. In addition, new lines have been brought in by adding people that don't really belong in a particular family. Some of the entries now have couples as their own parents, e.g., John and Sally are the couple and John and Sally are the parents also (same people). It is discouraging to put in so many hours with well researched data and then have it all convoluted It will take many hours to try and straighten this out if it is even possible. I am afraid this will be a perpetual problem. Gay Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right on target. The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in a newly published book. The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of his daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to my husband. As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to Joseph Smith) needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his third wife and many of his children did.) John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected immediately and appropriate explanations added.) The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination and correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of correcting these relationships. As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many family members. My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these changes who will? If not now, when? Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be interested? It might not happen. I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are able to do so. As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, than we can move to another family. Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer insights or feedback. Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. Mary Scott Aurora, Illinois Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I helped a patron undo a parent/child merge the other day. Three generations of the same people as parents and children. It takes a little time but the new process was much cleaner than I had experienced in nFS. Be sure to watch the video lessons on unlinking people to see how it is done first. the make sure you document the sources and reasons to help others avoid making the same mistakes again. Then add them to your watch list so you will be notified if it happens again and who is doing it. You can then contact them and explain, in a nice way, why what they did was incorrect. Once everyone gets used to working collaboratively in "Our Tree" instead of "My Tree" it should be much easier. Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Gay Davis <grdavis@centurytel.net> wrote: > I was working on NFS yesterday and will start working from now on with > Family Tree to straighten out the line I worked with yesterday. I was > aghast to find on a Richards line, which I thought was in good order, that > a person had gone in and entered death and burial dates of 2012 for people > born in the 1700's. In addition, new lines have been brought in by adding > people that don't really belong in a particular family. Some of the > entries now have couples as their own parents, e.g., John and Sally are the > couple and John and Sally are the parents also (same people). It is > discouraging to put in so many hours with well researched data and then > have it all convoluted It will take many hours to try and straighten this > out if it is even possible. I am afraid this will be a perpetual problem. > > Gay Davis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 9:13 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > > David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right > on target. > > The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my > husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. > > Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in > a newly published book. > > The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. > They lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of > his daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. > > I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to > my husband. > > As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed > at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. > > For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to > the Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple > to Joseph Smith) > needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his > third wife and many of his children did.) > > John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful > also as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to > people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected > immediately and appropriate explanations added.) > > The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination > and correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of > correcting these relationships. > > As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family > lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many > family members. > > My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these > changes who will? If not now, when? > > Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be > interested? It might not happen. > > I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are > able to do so. > > As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family > at a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, > merge if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only > these smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in > order, than we can move to another family. > > Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer > insights or feedback. > > Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. > > Mary Scott > Aurora, Illinois > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right > on target. > > The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my > husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. > > Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in a > newly published book. > > The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They > lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of his > daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. > > I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to > my husband. > > As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed > at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. > > For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the > Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to > Joseph Smith) > needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his > third wife and many of his children did.) > > John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also > as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to > people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected > immediately and appropriate explanations added.) > > The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination and > correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of correcting > these relationships. > > As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family > lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many > family members. > > My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these > changes who will? If not now, when? > > Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be > interested? It might not happen. > > I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are able > to do so. > > As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at > a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge > if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these > smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, > than we can move to another family. > > Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer > insights or feedback. > > Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. > > Mary Scott > Aurora, Illinois > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone tried the new upload gedcom thing? I tried it today. Quite interesting--it compares each individual you upload with what is or what is not in ft and then you can choose what info to add or to add a new person. It saved me a little bit of typing which why I did it. when I use that feature I only add a few people to avoid typing all of them in myself. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the > FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there > who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at > that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates > and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not > now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me > there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't > yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < > mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right >> on target. >> >> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my >> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. >> >> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in >> a >> newly published book. >> >> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They >> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of >> his >> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. >> >> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to >> my husband. >> >> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed >> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. >> >> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the >> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to >> Joseph Smith) >> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his >> third wife and many of his children did.) >> >> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also >> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to >> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected >> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) >> >> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination >> and >> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of >> correcting >> these relationships. >> >> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family >> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many >> family members. >> >> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these >> changes who will? If not now, when? >> >> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be >> interested? It might not happen. >> >> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are >> able >> to do so. >> >> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at >> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge >> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these >> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, >> than we can move to another family. >> >> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer >> insights or feedback. >> >> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. >> >> Mary Scott >> Aurora, Illinois >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where is the upload gedcom button? Evelyn Kleinman Henderson, NV >________________________________ > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> >To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:47 AM >Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > >Has anyone tried the new upload gedcom thing?  I tried it today.  Quite >interesting--it compares each individual you upload with what is or what is >not in ft and then you can choose what info to add or to add a new person. >It saved me a little bit of typing which why I did it.  when I use that >feature I only add a few people to avoid typing all of them in myself. > >Steve Kelsey > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> >To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; ><lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM >Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > >> Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the >> FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there >> who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at >> that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates >> and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not >> now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me >> there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't >> yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. >> >> Miles Meyer >> Jacksonville, FL >> >> "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get >> better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax >> >> >> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < >> mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right >>> on target. >>> >>> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my >>> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. >>> >>> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in >>> a >>> newly published book. >>> >>> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. They >>> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of >>> his >>> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. >>> >>> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to >>> my husband. >>> >>> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed >>> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. >>> >>> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to the >>> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to >>> Joseph Smith) >>> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his >>> third wife and many of his children did.) >>> >>> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful also >>> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to >>> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected >>> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) >>> >>> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination >>> and >>> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of >>> correcting >>> these relationships. >>> >>> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family >>> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many >>> family members. >>> >>> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these >>> changes who will? If not now, when? >>> >>> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be >>> interested? It might not happen. >>> >>> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are >>> able >>> to do so. >>> >>> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family at >>> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, merge >>> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only these >>> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, >>> than we can move to another family. >>> >>> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer >>> insights or feedback. >>> >>> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. >>> >>> Mary Scott >>> Aurora, Illinois >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Actually this was long before there was nFS, even before Ancestral File. I see a lot of assumptions in the records long before 1983. Only in nFS, this was brought to light. David On 5/31/2013 11:07 AM, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > I really don't understand how the data got so convoluted during a move. I > knew about some families that had been "tampered" with by (thinking of a > nice word, not moron or idiot) unknowledgable individuals:-)