Sebastian, "One's own tree" is not a separate entity from the rest of the trees. Family Tree is a community database which allows Open Editing. Any data I submit becomes part of the whole, and my files may become merged with others of the same persons. Anyone who enters the program can edit, like Wikipedia. So one either has to move the tree around to identify immediate ancestors, insert the PID numbers (which can change if records are combined), or use the Search command (lower) which is in the program. So it is vital that I maintain and document my own database to fix any resulting error, and for other reasons. This is not a convenient situation for those who have extended trees, with descendant or collateral lines, but it's workable. I prefer to search by the PID number. It's less typing (arthritis). While our temple was closed, I synchronized with NFS, adding the PID to my personal database with Family Insight. It took awhile, but I combined synching with fact-checking and checking for typos or bonehead errors, or those I inherited from Ancestral File, long ago. One of my frustrations with other new programs beside PAF, is that they don't allow me to directly edit the PID number now. I don't have time to re-synch the whole database for a number or two. So for the time being, I'm back using PAF with two other programs sitting on my computer. But I digress. Your own file that you submit has become part of the whole. What you see when you enter in is your part of that whole, as amended by others. So the whole thing has to be searched unless you know you pedigree and other files very well. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:25 +0200 From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> Subject: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002b01ce5f96$9a203c20$ce60b460$@sebastianbuck.name> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Hi, I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature searches through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when adding a new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. So is there a way to search only in your own data? Thanks so much! Sebastian Buck Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8404 (20130602) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Even searching using the search within Family Tree, you are not searching only "your" tree, since there really isn't any such thing in Family Tree. The tree is collaborative. You will always be searching all names that have been entered into Family Tree. Sister Tychonievich On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:00 AM, <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember > to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Sebastian Buck) > 2. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Miles Meyer) > 3. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (JCBrooks@aol.com) > 4. Re: ancient history (Jerry Cowley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:25 +0200 > From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002b01ce5f96$9a203c20$ce60b460$@sebastianbuck.name> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > Hi, > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature searches > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when adding > a > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > Thanks so much! > > Sebastian Buck > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:37:20 -0400 > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > < > CAB5+kWyeUb9EDzRxDGDWsoTovALbmBHDMtt-fE+eETrwEKzUNQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Use the Search function in the same line where it says Tree - Person - > Search -- not the Search on the top line next to Photos > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Buck <mail@sebastianbuck.name > >wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > searches > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <504da.238c0c2f.3edcb3df@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I agree this is confusing! > > There is a separate/different tool bar for Family Tree and FamilySearch. > > When FamilySearch is in green in the left corner, mid-page you can see > Family Tree Photos Search. This Search gets you to the indexed names > and > other resources. After signing in, Temple is added for LDS members on > this > page, just to the right. > > After sign-in, and when the pedigree or fan chart appears, there also > appears a second tool bar below the first. It also contains the word, > Search. > This tool bar allow you to search within your own tree and most helpfully > by the Full name or PID numbers for each individuals. > > I have always thought that redundancy was odd as well. > > Michele > > > > > In a message dated 6/2/2013 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: > > Hi, > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > searches > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when adding > a > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > Thanks so much! > > Sebastian Buck > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0600 > From: "Jerry Cowley" <jbcowley@rmci.net> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ancient history > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000501ce5faa$c6440a70$52cc1f50$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good point, Steve. When I began in the late 50's, our instructions were to > check at home, ask, and write letters. There wasn't much emphasis on > documentation, just information. I remember how tired my hand got just > copying information. The copy machine was a miracle as much as the > computer > was. The emphasis on documentation came later, when the church had all > these 4 generation sheets that didn't agree... > > The church still allows some judiciously estimated information if > everything > else is intact. I note that the new iteration of Family Tree allows the > addition of the words about, before, and after on dates. That's a good > thing > because it alerts us to an estimation. You can also add "of" before a > location and it stays if you don't click on the sync. But even with > spelling variations, they want as full a name as possible. With the > mis-combinations, without research, it's difficult to determine some > relationships. So the name is the key piece of identification, even for > ceremonial purposes. > > Some date guidelines I was taught for estimating--when all else fails: > Wife 4 years younger than husband > Marriage 1 year prior to first child > First child 20 years younger than mother, born 1 year after parents' > marriage > Next child, 2 years after first child, and so on > > Obviously there are exceptions in real life and real problems creep in when > you try to apply these over more than one generation. So documentation is > far preferred. > > Jerry > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:09:37 -0600 > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> > Subject: [LDS-WC] ancient history..... > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1948B3DE78D330058AC1C36D1930@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > One must also remember that much of the early work was done from memories > and there was very little documentation available to these early members. > My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with very > little information as to who they were and in fact usually they were listed > as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 people > named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to know which one > he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much information > so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records on > microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one surname, or > trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in Herefordshire in > the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers were not available I know > what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not online > which > I believe would be a great benefit for English research is the post 1858 > principal probate registry index for Great Britain and I am surprised that > no one has considered putting it online as yet. > In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old Joseph > Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had to requisition > records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was family > group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am amazed at what our > early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting temple > work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. > > Steve Kelsey > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 8403 (20130602) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 > *************************************************** >

Hi, I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature searches through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when adding a new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. So is there a way to search only in your own data? Thanks so much! Sebastian Buck Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany

I agree this is confusing! There is a separate/different tool bar for Family Tree and FamilySearch. When FamilySearch is in green in the left corner, mid-page you can see Family Tree Photos Search. This Search gets you to the indexed names and other resources. After signing in, Temple is added for LDS members on this page, just to the right. After sign-in, and when the pedigree or fan chart appears, there also appears a second tool bar below the first. It also contains the word, Search. This tool bar allow you to search within your own tree and most helpfully by the Full name or PID numbers for each individuals. I have always thought that redundancy was odd as well. Michele In a message dated 6/2/2013 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: Hi, I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature searches through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when adding a new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. So is there a way to search only in your own data? Thanks so much! Sebastian Buck Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Use the Search function in the same line where it says Tree - Person - Search -- not the Search on the top line next to Photos Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Buck <mail@sebastianbuck.name>wrote: > Hi, > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature searches > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when adding > a > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > Thanks so much! > > Sebastian Buck > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good point, Steve. When I began in the late 50's, our instructions were to check at home, ask, and write letters. There wasn't much emphasis on documentation, just information. I remember how tired my hand got just copying information. The copy machine was a miracle as much as the computer was. The emphasis on documentation came later, when the church had all these 4 generation sheets that didn't agree... The church still allows some judiciously estimated information if everything else is intact. I note that the new iteration of Family Tree allows the addition of the words about, before, and after on dates. That's a good thing because it alerts us to an estimation. You can also add "of" before a location and it stays if you don't click on the sync. But even with spelling variations, they want as full a name as possible. With the mis-combinations, without research, it's difficult to determine some relationships. So the name is the key piece of identification, even for ceremonial purposes. Some date guidelines I was taught for estimating--when all else fails: Wife 4 years younger than husband Marriage 1 year prior to first child First child 20 years younger than mother, born 1 year after parents' marriage Next child, 2 years after first child, and so on Obviously there are exceptions in real life and real problems creep in when you try to apply these over more than one generation. So documentation is far preferred. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:09:37 -0600 From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] ancient history..... To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1948B3DE78D330058AC1C36D1930@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One must also remember that much of the early work was done from memories and there was very little documentation available to these early members. My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with very little information as to who they were and in fact usually they were listed as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 people named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to know which one he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much information so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records on microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one surname, or trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in Herefordshire in the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers were not available I know what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not online which I believe would be a great benefit for English research is the post 1858 principal probate registry index for Great Britain and I am surprised that no one has considered putting it online as yet. In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old Joseph Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had to requisition records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was family group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am amazed at what our early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting temple work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. Steve Kelsey __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8403 (20130602) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

My note was written round 1 a.m. and posted around lunchtime (wonder what brought the delay :S). (We live a 1½ hour drive from Copenhagen - so we got home pretty late). Well, Denmark is probably one of the best places to do research since the density of records is high and it is very difficult to "fly under the radar" - SOME ancestors are refining it to an art, though! So when a person is submitting an ancestor born 1825, in Denmark it is SO SLOPPY. From 1845 every census (with a few exceptions - 1916 for one) there is birth parish stated for every person. BUT I myself have submitted both MR's and MRS's in the past - I cannot make that right - but I can reform my ways and follow the rules from now on. My point was not to put down past mistakes it was just to point out what I/we were told last night, due to the late hour I was too tired to expand on what else we were told. What we more exactly were told was that the Church is no longer focusing on the 3 main missions but on SALVATION to all. And is using Family History to take focus from those main missions to bring love and empathy to all. That consultants is no longer pull out sheets to start a GENEALOGICAL research matter-of-factly - but to focus on the STORIES/HISTORIES of each family. And in writing the stories use sheets to be "anchors" or "ladders" to stick out the course and keep track of where one has been and what still needs to be researched. It is no longer to be a science but a tool and assistant to all we do. I must admit I am excited - it is a cool way to go about the matter. :) Helle -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Alice Allen Sendt: 1. juni 2013 21:19 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 I think we have to be careful not to pass judgment upon the people who have submitted some of these "Mr. & Mrs." For temple work. I have one of these in one of my own lines. This has been a difficult line for me to trace--early 1800's NY state, can't find any indication of my gg grandmother's family there, even though she is listed on the 1850 census with her husband and in all the censuses I've found her in, her birthplace is listed as NY. Her individual ordinances (and maybe her sealing to husband) was done in the 1930's--it's a long story and only interesting to me, so I won't share it here so your eyes don't glaze over. Back when the IGI & Ancestral File were on CD's (1990's), I discovered that someone had sealed her and a brother to "Mr. & Mrs. Davey." Over these many years I've been grumbling to myself as to why someone would do that, and how did they find out my gg grandmother had a brother, since I never found a trace of this family. Last fall I was contacted by a descendent of my gg grandmother, who had found me on nFS and was delighted to discover me, and hoped I had information on this family--especially did I know who our gg grandmother's parents were? Thankfully I did not rant & rave about the "Mr. & Mrs" whom they were sealed to, but I told him that's all I know. Then he told me this story: His aunt had a history written by our gg grandmother, and he had read it many times. He had noted many times that she related being orphaned at an early age--naturally she didn't tell who here parents were, when they died, etc. But at some point he was prompted to read that history again, and eventually he did. What he had never noticed before was that our gg grandmother told of her younger brother Sam, who was 2 years younger than she was, and that they had been placed in different orphanages and she never saw him again. Since he had his gg grandmother's birth date, he calculated the brother's birth date, added "of" to the county they were from, and submitted his name for temple work. He was also prompted to seal both of them to their parents, but he was never able to find out who they were. He calculated their birth dates, added "of" to the county and state, and the submission was accepted. Now, this was the 1990's, and as I recall things were loosened up quite a bit about that time as far as submitting for temple work. He has not stopped hunting for their real names, and I have been hunting,too. I have a trip to Salt Lake planned in the next couple of weeks, and looking through probate and guardianship records is #1 on my list for the day my daughter has promised me I can have at the FHL while her family does some touristy things. So at least in this case, this was a "guided by the Spirit" thing and not "junk" genealogy. There may be others out there with a similar story, who knows! Alice

That is a lovely story, Alice, and it makes sense to follow such a prompting. My 2ggraunt did submitted the names of her orphaned mother's parents as Grandfather B . . and Grandmother B . . . There was no Family History Library. There's a considerable difference between your story, however, and these "names" so recently reserved. I have also done New York research and understand the dilemma. I have another ancestor that we simply cannot trace. Because the DNA does not match others of the same surname, I suspect he is probably an illegitimate child carrying his mother's surname. I'm not going to seal him to a Mr. and Mrs. Surname without finding better evidence. The rest of his work has long been done, and I think he is none the worse for not being sealed to unknown parents. I think most of this manufacturing of parents comes from the pressure to "take a name to the temple." Someone fairly recently converted the names of my ggrandmother's sisters who died in infancy to male names. So Leonora became Leonard, etc., and someone got a chance to go to the temple. As Helle pointed out, there's no excuse with Scandinavian records. If we really care for our ancestors, we owe them a decent effort to properly identify them. Jean Ohai - - - - - On 6/1/2013 3:00 PM, [1]lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 12:18:55 -0700 From: "Alice Allen" [2]<aiallen@iinet.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 To: [3]<lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> I think we have to be careful not to pass judgment upon the people who have submitted some of these "Mr. & Mrs." For temple work. I have one of these in one of my own lines. This has been a difficult line for me to trace--early 1800's NY state, can't find any indication of my gg grandmother's family there, even though she is listed on the 1850 census with her husband and in all the censuses I've found her in, her birthplace is listed as NY. Her individual ordinances (and maybe her sealing to husband) was done in the 1930's--it's a long story and only interesting to me, so I won't share it here so your eyes don't glaze over. Back when the IGI & Ancestral File were on CD's (1990's), I discovered that someone had sealed her and a brother to "Mr. & Mrs. Davey." Over these many years I've been grumbling to myself as to why someone would do that, and how did they find out my gg grandmother had a brother, since I never found a trace of this family. Last fall I was contacted by a descendent of my gg grandmother, who had found me on nFS and was delighted to discover me, and hoped I had information on this family--especially did I know who our gg grandmother's parents were? Thankfully I did not rant & rave about the "Mr. & Mrs" whom they were sealed to, but I told him that's all I know. Then he told me this story: His aunt had a history written by our gg grandmother, and he had read it many times. He had noted many times that she related being orphaned at an early age--naturally she didn't tell who here parents were, when they died, etc. But at some point he was prompted to read that history again, and eventually he did. What he had never noticed before was that our gg grandmother told of her younger brother Sam, who was 2 years younger than she was, and that they had been placed in different orphanages and she never saw him again. Since he had his gg grandmother's birth date, he calculated the brother's birth date, added "of" to the county they were from, and submitted his name for temple work. He was also prompted to seal both of them to their parents, but he was never able to find out who they were. He calculated their birth dates, added "of" to the county and state, and the submission was accepted. Now, this was the 1990's, and as I recall things were loosened up quite a bit about that time as far as submitting for temple work. He has not stopped hunting for their real names, and I have been hunting,too. I have a trip to Salt Lake planned in the next couple of weeks, and looking through probate and guardianship records is #1 on my list for the day my daughter has promised me I can have at the FHL while her family does some touristy things. So at least in this case, this was a "guided by the Spirit" thing and not "junk" genealogy. There may be others out there with a similar story, who knows! References 1. mailto:lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:aiallen@iinet.com 3. mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com

One must also remember that much of the early work was done from memories and there was very little documentation available to these early members. My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with very little information as to who they were and in fact usually they were listed as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 people named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to know which one he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much information so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records on microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one surname, or trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in Herefordshire in the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers were not available I know what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not online which I believe would be a great benefit for English research is the post 1858 principal probate registry index for Great Britain and I am surprised that no one has considered putting it online as yet. In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old Joseph Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had to requisition records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was family group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am amazed at what our early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting temple work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. Steve Kelsey . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Allen" <aiallen@iinet.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 >I think we have to be careful not to pass judgment upon the people who have > submitted some of these "Mr. & Mrs." For temple work. I have one of these > in one of my own lines. This has been a difficult line for me to > trace--early 1800's NY state, can't find any indication of my gg > grandmother's family there, even though she is listed on the 1850 census > with her husband and in all the censuses I've found her in, her birthplace > is listed as NY. Her individual ordinances (and maybe her sealing to > husband) was done in the 1930's--it's a long story and only interesting to > me, so I won't share it here so your eyes don't glaze over. > > Back when the IGI & Ancestral File were on CD's (1990's), I discovered > that > someone had sealed her and a brother to "Mr. & Mrs. Davey." Over these > many > years I've been grumbling to myself as to why someone would do that, and > how > did they find out my gg grandmother had a brother, since I never found a > trace of this family. Last fall I was contacted by a descendent of my gg > grandmother, who had found me on nFS and was delighted to discover me, and > hoped I had information on this family--especially did I know who our gg > grandmother's parents were? Thankfully I did not rant & rave about the > "Mr. > & Mrs" whom they were sealed to, but I told him that's all I know. Then > he > told me this story: > > His aunt had a history written by our gg grandmother, and he had read it > many times. He had noted many times that she related being orphaned at an > early age--naturally she didn't tell who here parents were, when they > died, > etc. But at some point he was prompted to read that history again, and > eventually he did. What he had never noticed before was that our gg > grandmother told of her younger brother Sam, who was 2 years younger than > she was, and that they had been placed in different orphanages and she > never > saw him again. Since he had his gg grandmother's birth date, he > calculated > the brother's birth date, added "of" to the county they were from, and > submitted his name for temple work. He was also prompted to seal both of > them to their parents, but he was never able to find out who they were. > He > calculated their birth dates, added "of" to the county and state, and the > submission was accepted. Now, this was the 1990's, and as I recall things > were loosened up quite a bit about that time as far as submitting for > temple > work. > > He has not stopped hunting for their real names, and I have been > hunting,too. I have a trip to Salt Lake planned in the next couple of > weeks, and looking through probate and guardianship records is #1 on my > list > for the day my daughter has promised me I can have at the FHL while her > family does some touristy things. > > So at least in this case, this was a "guided by the Spirit" thing and not > "junk" genealogy. There may be others out there with a similar story, who > knows! > > Alice > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helle T. > Hirschmann > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 3:20 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 > > Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. > > Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. > They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have > to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. > > Str. Helle Hirschmann > Center Director > Slagelse ward > Denmark Copenhagen stake. > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

YAY! There are so many like this, and it has always bothered me while doing ordinances, to see this, especially those born in the 1800s when I know it is just lazy research or no research that has led to this. Betty Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helle T. Hirschmann" <helle@hirschmann.dk> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:19:59 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. Str. Helle Hirschmann Center Director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen stake.

Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. Str. Helle Hirschmann Center Director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen stake. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af David Sendt: 1. juni 2013 00:52 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 I first heard about this type of action being taken by those that just had to get their pedigree back one more generation from one of our non-member center staff people. The people, as identified, do / did exist but this sort of action just leaves a bad taste about the quality of research and does not comply at all with the spirit of the First Presidency letter of 16 June 1995 (Ensign, Sept. 1995, 80) "Because of the sacred nature of this work, members should be diligent is assuring the accuracy of all information submitted for ordinance work." How are you to come to know your ancestors if all you do is add a title to the name of the spouse? 2 cents, David, San Diego District ---- Jean Ohai <jbohai@comcast.net> wrote: I have seen this a lot in Scandinavian lines. I offered to help my daughter-in-law with some research and found that someone had gone to all the end-of-line lines, added Jens and Mrs. Jens, Christen and Mrs. Christen, Hans and Mrs. Hans, etc., etc. and reserved temple work for them. No attempt was made at any kind of research or documentation. Once something like this is allowed to go through, who is going to go in to see what if any documentation can be found? Say, such as checking for the death and burial records to determine actual names? What kind of an identity is that? Jean Ohai On 5/31/2013 12:55 PM, [1]lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:21:30 -0300 Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree T " Well, I have the impression that assumptions were somewhat encouraged. I have seen a lot of end-of-line John Does getting sealed to Mr. and Mrs. Doe, born approximately 25 and 21 years before John in the same location. . . " Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think we have to be careful not to pass judgment upon the people who have submitted some of these "Mr. & Mrs." For temple work. I have one of these in one of my own lines. This has been a difficult line for me to trace--early 1800's NY state, can't find any indication of my gg grandmother's family there, even though she is listed on the 1850 census with her husband and in all the censuses I've found her in, her birthplace is listed as NY. Her individual ordinances (and maybe her sealing to husband) was done in the 1930's--it's a long story and only interesting to me, so I won't share it here so your eyes don't glaze over. Back when the IGI & Ancestral File were on CD's (1990's), I discovered that someone had sealed her and a brother to "Mr. & Mrs. Davey." Over these many years I've been grumbling to myself as to why someone would do that, and how did they find out my gg grandmother had a brother, since I never found a trace of this family. Last fall I was contacted by a descendent of my gg grandmother, who had found me on nFS and was delighted to discover me, and hoped I had information on this family--especially did I know who our gg grandmother's parents were? Thankfully I did not rant & rave about the "Mr. & Mrs" whom they were sealed to, but I told him that's all I know. Then he told me this story: His aunt had a history written by our gg grandmother, and he had read it many times. He had noted many times that she related being orphaned at an early age--naturally she didn't tell who here parents were, when they died, etc. But at some point he was prompted to read that history again, and eventually he did. What he had never noticed before was that our gg grandmother told of her younger brother Sam, who was 2 years younger than she was, and that they had been placed in different orphanages and she never saw him again. Since he had his gg grandmother's birth date, he calculated the brother's birth date, added "of" to the county they were from, and submitted his name for temple work. He was also prompted to seal both of them to their parents, but he was never able to find out who they were. He calculated their birth dates, added "of" to the county and state, and the submission was accepted. Now, this was the 1990's, and as I recall things were loosened up quite a bit about that time as far as submitting for temple work. He has not stopped hunting for their real names, and I have been hunting,too. I have a trip to Salt Lake planned in the next couple of weeks, and looking through probate and guardianship records is #1 on my list for the day my daughter has promised me I can have at the FHL while her family does some touristy things. So at least in this case, this was a "guided by the Spirit" thing and not "junk" genealogy. There may be others out there with a similar story, who knows! Alice -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helle T. Hirschmann Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 3:20 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Junk Genealogy | Was: Re: Digest, Vol 8, Issue 225 Tonight we have had a meeting with our Area responsible leaders. Living in Denmark we have lots of persons adding Jens and mrs. Jens eetc. They told us in NO UNCERTAIN way we are NOT to add any MRS or MR.s we have to at least a first or family name to submit for the temple. Str. Helle Hirschmann Center Director Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen stake.

and notify the support of it. They take it out of family completely because otherwise, you will find annoying message in Tree telling you there's uncompleted ordinances. David Samuelsen On 5/31/2013 3:03 PM, Ann Amadori wrote: > Different genders cannot be merged. Delete the wrong one. > > Ann A.

Thank you for the links. Lia > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:58:34 -0400 > From: Terri Jaskolka <tjaskolka@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Family History class > To: lds-ward-consultant <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAJJgGPfmXpAxkn50yLheK0-ZP_kShvZLe3+cEtAVbKWk8qkTJQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/managing-your-family-records-on-the-internet/26 > > https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/step-1-discover-your-story/737 > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Adilia Mack Mata <momofason@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Hi, > > I was invited to give a presentation next week on keeping family records. > > The goal is to inspire members and non-members to research their family > > history. Usually, I' asked to teach a beginners or advanced class on > > research. Feeling a little lost here! > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Lia

Well Michele, I think it's all of the above and more ;)I was given the goal to inspire and motivate. I just now thinking about showing different options in relation to caring for documents, creating memories that would involve others or be individual and sharing through the use of art/charts/blogs/websites, etc. I just don't if that is enough or whether that is what I should be doing. Thanks anyway.Lia > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:48:20 -0400 (EDT) > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Family History class > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <53883.3865ce8e.3eda3c64@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > That sounds unclear to me. Do they want you to talk about preserving > pictures, filing documents or keeping journals?!!! Or all of the above! > > Michele > > > In a message dated 5/31/2013 10:35:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > momofason@hotmail.com writes: > > Hi, > I was invited to give a presentation next week on keeping family records. > The goal is to inspire members and non-members to research their family > history. Usually, I' asked to teach a beginners or advanced class on research. > Feeling a little lost here! > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Many thanks, > Lia

Given the time of year, the biggest "aha!" to people is..oh yeah, we are going to visit relatives this summer! I encourage them to preservere those memories even if it just means taking a lot of photos with smartphones or photos of old pictures and documents that relatives won't part with. Additionally, most smartphones will allow you to video and audio record grandpa and what he says. That's a great/easy start for a lot of people. And sometimes (usually) the kids/teens can do it better than the parents!!! Michele In a message dated 5/31/2013 2:57:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, momofason@hotmail.com writes: Well Michele, I think it's all of the above and more ;)I was given the goal to inspire and motivate. I just now thinking about showing different options in relation to caring for documents, creating memories that would involve others or be individual and sharing through the use of art/charts/blogs/websites, etc. I just don't if that is enough or whether that is what I should be doing. Thanks anyway.Lia > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:48:20 -0400 (EDT) > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Family History class > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <53883.3865ce8e.3eda3c64@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > That sounds unclear to me. Do they want you to talk about preserving > pictures, filing documents or keeping journals?!!! Or all of the above! > > Michele > > > In a message dated 5/31/2013 10:35:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > momofason@hotmail.com writes: > > Hi, > I was invited to give a presentation next week on keeping family records. > The goal is to inspire members and non-members to research their family > history. Usually, I' asked to teach a beginners or advanced class on research. > Feeling a little lost here! > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Many thanks, > Lia Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I first heard about this type of action being taken by those that just had to get their pedigree back one more generation from one of our non-member center staff people. The people, as identified, do / did exist but this sort of action just leaves a bad taste about the quality of research and does not comply at all with the spirit of the First Presidency letter of 16 June 1995 (Ensign, Sept. 1995, 80) "Because of the sacred nature of this work, members should be diligent is assuring the accuracy of all information submitted for ordinance work." How are you to come to know your ancestors if all you do is add a title to the name of the spouse? 2 cents, David, San Diego District ---- Jean Ohai <jbohai@comcast.net> wrote: I have seen this a lot in Scandinavian lines. I offered to help my daughter-in-law with some research and found that someone had gone to all the end-of-line lines, added Jens and Mrs. Jens, Christen and Mrs. Christen, Hans and Mrs. Hans, etc., etc. and reserved temple work for them. No attempt was made at any kind of research or documentation. Once something like this is allowed to go through, who is going to go in to see what if any documentation can be found? Say, such as checking for the death and burial records to determine actual names? What kind of an identity is that? Jean Ohai On 5/31/2013 12:55 PM, [1]lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:21:30 -0300 Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree T " Well, I have the impression that assumptions were somewhat encouraged. I have seen a lot of end-of-line John Does getting sealed to Mr. and Mrs. Doe, born approximately 25 and 21 years before John in the same location. . . "

It happened to me also but I found a work around that works most of the time. Just change the individual you are looking at and try the merge that way. So, instead of merging AAAA-123 with BBBB-123 try going to BBBB-123 and merging with AAAA-123. I know, seems strange but it is working. Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Ivan P. Pack <pack1096@q.com> wrote: > In trying to clean up my line on Family Tree, I have run into the situation > where the merge function will not work - an error message says merges can > not be performed on this person. Is anyone else having this problem or > know > why this is happening? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > To: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com>; > <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > > > > Absolutely correct Mary. I have been having this same conversation on the > > FamilySearch discussion board on LinkedIn. There are several people there > > who just want to upload their gedcom file to FamilySearch and leave it at > > that. They do not want to do the work of checking for merges, duplicates > > and incorrect information. I keep posting "If not you, then who? If not > > now, then when?" I have found some errors in my lines, but luckily for me > > there are few members of the church in my lines so "all the work" hasn't > > yet been done. It leaves plenty of work for me to do. > > > > Miles Meyer > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) < > > mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> David's point about cleaning up our family lines on Family Tree is right > >> on target. > >> > >> The other day I was working on Family Tree and looking at some of my > >> husband's families, particularly the Tanner families from Payson, Utah. > >> > >> Earlier that day I had read an LDS biographical sketch about a sister in > >> a > >> newly published book. > >> > >> The sister's husband had married several women before the Manifesto. > They > >> lived in some of the areas where my husband's family had lived. One of > >> his > >> daughters married a man with the surname of Tanner. > >> > >> I went on Family Tree and wanted to see how this daughter was related to > >> my husband. > >> > >> As I looked at the records for the various Tanner branches, I was amazed > >> at the inconsistencies and inaccuracies which are there. > >> > >> For instance, the information about John Tanner (the early convert to > the > >> Church who gave a substantial amount of money for the Kirkland Temple to > >> Joseph Smith) > >> needed immediate attention. (John Tanner never lived in Payson but his > >> third wife and many of his children did.) > >> > >> John Tanner's mother was Thankful Tefft but Family Tree had Thankful > also > >> as the wife of John. (Terrible error and not one to let carry down to > >> people who might not know the difference. It needed to be corrected > >> immediately and appropriate explanations added.) > >> > >> The family relationships were certainly in need of careful examination > >> and > >> correction. With my husband's approval, I started the process of > >> correcting > >> these relationships. > >> > >> As I told my husband, we will need to look at every one of his family > >> lines because there are probably changes which need to be made for many > >> family members. > >> > >> My husband isn't that keen on family history but if we don't do these > >> changes who will? If not now, when? > >> > >> Are we going to wait for our children and unborn grandchildren to be > >> interested? It might not happen. > >> > >> I think now is the time and it is a task which we can do while we are > >> able > >> to do so. > >> > >> As I used to tell my family history classes, we can work on one family > at > >> a time. Straighten it out, add sources and notes, check ordinances, > merge > >> if necessary, etc. We don't have to attack the entire tree but only > these > >> smaller twigs in a methodical way. When we feel one family is in order, > >> than we can move to another family. > >> > >> Besides, as we work on Family Tree, we can address issues and offer > >> insights or feedback. > >> > >> Thanks for listening. I learn a lot from each of you. > >> > >> Mary Scott > >> Aurora, Illinois > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I was invited to give a presentation next week on keeping family records. The goal is to inspire members and non-members to research their family history. Usually, I' asked to teach a beginners or advanced class on research. Feeling a little lost here! Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Lia

I used it today. When I was in ft, then I opened another window and logged into nfs. I clicked add information and it said do you want to try this new gedom procedure. It seemed to work pretty good at least today. I added a smaller gedcom, then it compared with what was in the file, then it told me what matched and what didn't, then I could go toeach person and got a screen like the duplicates to put my info into the file for the ones that matched, and then added those that didn't match. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Cleaning up on Family Tree > and screwy, check the custom events getting duplicated from vitals. > > it is currently suspended via "Genealogies". It has 5 major flaws to > correct. I or anyone else haven't heard back since I was contacted two > weeks ago. > > David S. > > On 5/31/2013 12:47 PM, Steve Kelsey wrote: >> Has anyone tried the new upload gedcom thing? I tried it today. Quite >> interesting--it compares each individual you upload with what is or what >> is >> not in ft and then you can choose what info to add or to add a new >> person. >> It saved me a little bit of typing which why I did it. when I use that >> feature I only add a few people to avoid typing all of them in myself. >> >> Steve Kelsey > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >