It certainly was easier for me when the tool box was on the top instead of the bottom. I use the tool box for duplicates 95% of the time and the print box never. By putting it on the bottom I have to scroll down every time. This a.m. I had 11 duplicate males and 11 duplicates of his 2 wives, and then there were the children duplicates and their spouses. It was at least an hour and a half or longer to get things fixed for just the one family. Steve Kelsey

David's right. - Mike From: W David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" > > the key is through Possible Duplicates. > > When they come up, tag them as not a match and explain why. > > I had two yesterday and tagged them as older/younger brothers, with > older died in infancy. > > David >

Our listowner recently sent an email to this list asking respondents to snip. Do you know the meaning of snip? Please be kind to those of us on the digest list.  Over and over we get the same replies when a responder does not delete everything but a short part of the question. Today I received 4 digest messages and they were basically repeat and repeat and repeat, etc.  Its hard sometimes to find the real message because of all the repeats. Thank you.

Thorough documentation/sourcing/notes. And put a Watch on them. :) -Terri J. PS. I would not leave them with the (first), (second), (third) designations as that would definitely cause problems. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Jorge Todeschini < jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > What do you suggest for infant brothers with the same name? > > In my PAF file, I list them as (for example): "John (first)," "John > (second)" and "John (third)." > > They are not on FT yet, but any ideas how to make sure they do not get > merged/combined? >

That's one thing I've found a wish for lately. I've gots LOTS of cousins of many different levels on one particular branch and it would be so nice to look up a name on Family Tree, and if it looks familiar, is of the right place and time, be able to query and find out if it is indeed a relative, especially since I have found some living cousins, discovered through this research, also working in the same place and time. It would be nice to know if the person on the Tree is closer to being their relative or mine, making it easier to say who should be more responsible for the temple work. And then that brings to mind the thought... if Family Tree as a whole is OUR family, then who is to say who has a greater right to submit any particular names after you pass the 110 year barrier? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but wonder if that might need clarification. As I research the area the family referred to above is located, I find that the more names I collect, the more relationships I find among those who live there, and I am tying them all together, but having so many makes it hard to know whether or not I've actually found family when I do a general search, unless I am able to wind my way back to a known position on "my" tree. This may be one of those instances where having a desktop program brings the added functionality that Family Tree will never have. I guess it couldn't tell me the relationship among myself, those Tree cousins and my living cousins anyway, because that would get into privacy issues. I've probably diverged from the original topic enough already anyway. :) -Terri J. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Travis Morris <tdmorris@htcomp.net> wrote: > It sounds like your are wishing for a relationship calculator. > Travis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terri > Jaskolka > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:48 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 > > Understood, but it would be nice if there were some way to search those > already connected to you in a known relationship. And then it would be > really great to see how you are connected, especially if you are connected > in more than one way. :) > > -Terri J. > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Nancy Tychonievich <nansuty@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Even searching using the search within Family Tree, you are not > > searching only "your" tree, since there really isn't any such thing in > Family Tree. > > The tree is collaborative. You will always be searching all names that > > have been entered into Family Tree. > > > > Sister Tychonievich > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:00 AM, > > <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > > > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please > > remember > > > to restrict the size of your post. > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Sebastian Buck) > > > 2. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Miles Meyer) > > > 3. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me ( > JCBrooks@aol.com) > > > 4. Re: ancient history (Jerry Cowley) > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:25 +0200 > > > From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> > > > Subject: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: <002b01ce5f96$9a203c20$ce60b460$@sebastianbuck.name> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a > > > silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of > > > my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this > > > feature > > searches > > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > > adding > > > a > > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > > > you're looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > Sebastian Buck > > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:37:20 -0400 > > > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: > > > < > > > CAB5+kWyeUb9EDzRxDGDWsoTovALbmBHDMtt-fE+eETrwEKzUNQ@mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > Use the Search function in the same line where it says Tree - Person > > > - Search -- not the Search on the top line next to Photos > > > > > > Miles Meyer > > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going > > > to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Buck > > > <mail@sebastianbuck.name > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a > > > > silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one > > > > of my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this > > > > feature > > > searches > > > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful > > > > when > > > adding > > > > a > > > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > > you're > > > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > > > Sebastian Buck > > > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: <504da.238c0c2f.3edcb3df@aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > I agree this is confusing! > > > > > > There is a separate/different tool bar for Family Tree and > FamilySearch. > > > > > > When FamilySearch is in green in the left corner, mid-page you can see > > > Family Tree Photos Search. This Search gets you to the indexed > names > > > and > > > other resources. After signing in, Temple is added for LDS members > > > on this page, just to the right. > > > > > > After sign-in, and when the pedigree or fan chart appears, there > > > also appears a second tool bar below the first. It also contains > > > the word, Search. > > > This tool bar allow you to search within your own tree and most > > helpfully > > > by the Full name or PID numbers for each individuals. > > > > > > I have always thought that redundancy was odd as well. > > > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/2/2013 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a > > > silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of > > > my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this > > > feature searches through all the billion names in the database. > > > This is helpful when > > adding > > > a > > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > > you're > > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > Sebastian Buck > > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0600 > > > From: "Jerry Cowley" <jbcowley@rmci.net> > > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ancient history > > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: <000501ce5faa$c6440a70$52cc1f50$@net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Good point, Steve. When I began in the late 50's, our instructions > > > were > > to > > > check at home, ask, and write letters. There wasn't much emphasis on > > > documentation, just information. I remember how tired my hand got > > > just copying information. The copy machine was a miracle as much as > > > the computer was. The emphasis on documentation came later, when > > > the church had all these 4 generation sheets that didn't agree... > > > > > > The church still allows some judiciously estimated information if > > > everything else is intact. I note that the new iteration of Family > > > Tree allows the addition of the words about, before, and after on > > > dates. That's a good thing because it alerts us to an estimation. > > > You can also add "of" before a location and it stays if you don't > > > click on the sync. But even with spelling variations, they want as > > > full a name as possible. With the mis-combinations, without > > > research, it's difficult to determine some relationships. So the > > > name is the key piece of identification, even for ceremonial > > > purposes. > > > > > > Some date guidelines I was taught for estimating--when all else fails: > > > Wife 4 years younger than husband > > > Marriage 1 year prior to first child First child 20 years younger > > > than mother, born 1 year after parents' > > > marriage > > > Next child, 2 years after first child, and so on > > > > > > Obviously there are exceptions in real life and real problems creep > > > in > > when > > > you try to apply these over more than one generation. So > > > documentation is far preferred. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:09:37 -0600 > > > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> > > > Subject: [LDS-WC] ancient history..... > > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1948B3DE78D330058AC1C36D1930@phx.gbl> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > > reply-type=original > > > > > > One must also remember that much of the early work was done from > > > memories and there was very little documentation available to these > early members. > > > My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with > > > very little information as to who they were and in fact usually they > > > were > > listed > > > as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 > > > people named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to > > > know which > > one > > > he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much > > information > > > so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records > > > on microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one > > > surname, or trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in > > > Herefordshire in the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers > > > were not available I > > know > > > what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not > > > online which I believe would be a great benefit for English research > > > is the post 1858 principal probate registry index for Great Britain > > > and I am surprised > > that > > > no one has considered putting it online as yet. > > > In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old > > > Joseph Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had > > > to > > requisition > > > records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was > > > family group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am > > > amazed at what > > our > > > early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting > > temple > > > work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. > > > > > > Steve Kelsey > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > > signature database 8403 (20130602) __________ > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email > > > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an > > > email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > > the > > body > > > of the > > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 > > > *************************************************** > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There can be several reasons. 1. Name in wrong place. Happened to me once - and had support look at it, and found it was given name shifted to surname box. Edited to make it right. 2. Parents, even way over 110 years ago, can have "living" tagged in their record. Need to edit it out. 3. "Not Available" has at least 2 different reasons. top 2 reasons, famous person or Jewish. If it is your relative, request assistance through support to clean up the record. That what I did with one Governor of one state because of a mixup of two different persons with almost same dates. 4. Sensitive areas: entire Middle East, both Jewish, Arab and Christian. Will not be visible to the person doing research at all. Must contact headquarter support staff, not the online support for assistance if preparing for temple ordinances. One of FHL missionaries has Lebanonese ancestry (Maronite Christian) and for that reason his people who are still living in Lebanon has to be protected from any reprisals. On 6/3/2013 11:53 AM, JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a > helper with "Needs more information." > > Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission whether > it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to 110 > years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them > into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done > clueless and tying up names). > > That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me > why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both parents > and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more > information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a hint! > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

the key is through Possible Duplicates. When they come up, tag them as not a match and explain why. I had two yesterday and tagged them as older/younger brothers, with older died in infancy. David On 6/3/2013 1:35 PM, Jorge Todeschini wrote: > What do you suggest for infant brothers with the same name? > > In my PAF file, I list them as (for example): "John (first)," "John (second)" and "John (third)." > > They are not on FT yet, but any ideas how to make sure they do not get merged/combined? > >> From: JCBrooks@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:36:29 -0400 >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" >> >> Doggone. I actually edited that name and took out the parenthesis myself >> this morning! >> >> Will try again. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/3/2013 11:23:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> cathetaylor1@comcast.net writes: >> >> Michele, >> >> I looked at it and it is because there is a () showing in his middle name. >> Family tree will not allow that. I went back into new.familysearch.org >> and >> changed it to the name without the () in the middle name, so my name is >> showing now. Look under Summary on the record and see the different names >> and chose the one that matched in Family Tree. Right now they have to >> match. It has to be showing exactly the same in both new.familysearch and >> in Family Tree. >> >> Cathe Taylor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> >> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM >> Subject: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" >> >> >>> I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a >>> helper with "Needs more information." >>> >>> Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission >> whether >>> it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to >>> 110 >>> years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them >>> into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done >>> clueless and tying up names). >>> >>> That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me >>> why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both >>> parents >>> and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more >>> information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a >>> hint! >>> >>> Michele >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It sounds like your are wishing for a relationship calculator. Travis -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terri Jaskolka Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:48 AM To: lds-ward-consultant Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 Understood, but it would be nice if there were some way to search those already connected to you in a known relationship. And then it would be really great to see how you are connected, especially if you are connected in more than one way. :) -Terri J. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Nancy Tychonievich <nansuty@gmail.com>wrote: > Even searching using the search within Family Tree, you are not > searching only "your" tree, since there really isn't any such thing in Family Tree. > The tree is collaborative. You will always be searching all names that > have been entered into Family Tree. > > Sister Tychonievich > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:00 AM, > <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com > >wrote: > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please > remember > > to restrict the size of your post. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Sebastian Buck) > > 2. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Miles Meyer) > > 3. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (JCBrooks@aol.com) > > 4. Re: ancient history (Jerry Cowley) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:25 +0200 > > From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> > > Subject: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <002b01ce5f96$9a203c20$ce60b460$@sebastianbuck.name> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a > > silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of > > my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this > > feature > searches > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > > you're looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:37:20 -0400 > > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > < > > CAB5+kWyeUb9EDzRxDGDWsoTovALbmBHDMtt-fE+eETrwEKzUNQ@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Use the Search function in the same line where it says Tree - Person > > - Search -- not the Search on the top line next to Photos > > > > Miles Meyer > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going > > to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Buck > > <mail@sebastianbuck.name > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a > > > silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one > > > of my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this > > > feature > > searches > > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful > > > when > > adding > > > a > > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > you're > > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > Sebastian Buck > > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) > > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <504da.238c0c2f.3edcb3df@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I agree this is confusing! > > > > There is a separate/different tool bar for Family Tree and FamilySearch. > > > > When FamilySearch is in green in the left corner, mid-page you can see > > Family Tree Photos Search. This Search gets you to the indexed names > > and > > other resources. After signing in, Temple is added for LDS members > > on this page, just to the right. > > > > After sign-in, and when the pedigree or fan chart appears, there > > also appears a second tool bar below the first. It also contains > > the word, Search. > > This tool bar allow you to search within your own tree and most > helpfully > > by the Full name or PID numbers for each individuals. > > > > I have always thought that redundancy was odd as well. > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/2/2013 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a > > silly question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of > > my ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this > > feature searches through all the billion names in the database. > > This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > you're > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0600 > > From: "Jerry Cowley" <jbcowley@rmci.net> > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ancient history > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <000501ce5faa$c6440a70$52cc1f50$@net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Good point, Steve. When I began in the late 50's, our instructions > > were > to > > check at home, ask, and write letters. There wasn't much emphasis on > > documentation, just information. I remember how tired my hand got > > just copying information. The copy machine was a miracle as much as > > the computer was. The emphasis on documentation came later, when > > the church had all these 4 generation sheets that didn't agree... > > > > The church still allows some judiciously estimated information if > > everything else is intact. I note that the new iteration of Family > > Tree allows the addition of the words about, before, and after on > > dates. That's a good thing because it alerts us to an estimation. > > You can also add "of" before a location and it stays if you don't > > click on the sync. But even with spelling variations, they want as > > full a name as possible. With the mis-combinations, without > > research, it's difficult to determine some relationships. So the > > name is the key piece of identification, even for ceremonial > > purposes. > > > > Some date guidelines I was taught for estimating--when all else fails: > > Wife 4 years younger than husband > > Marriage 1 year prior to first child First child 20 years younger > > than mother, born 1 year after parents' > > marriage > > Next child, 2 years after first child, and so on > > > > Obviously there are exceptions in real life and real problems creep > > in > when > > you try to apply these over more than one generation. So > > documentation is far preferred. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:09:37 -0600 > > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> > > Subject: [LDS-WC] ancient history..... > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1948B3DE78D330058AC1C36D1930@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > One must also remember that much of the early work was done from > > memories and there was very little documentation available to these early members. > > My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with > > very little information as to who they were and in fact usually they > > were > listed > > as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 > > people named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to > > know which > one > > he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much > information > > so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records > > on microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one > > surname, or trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in > > Herefordshire in the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers > > were not available I > know > > what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not > > online which I believe would be a great benefit for English research > > is the post 1858 principal probate registry index for Great Britain > > and I am surprised > that > > no one has considered putting it online as yet. > > In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old > > Joseph Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had > > to > requisition > > records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was > > family group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am > > amazed at what > our > > early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting > temple > > work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. > > > > Steve Kelsey > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 8403 (20130602) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email > > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an > > email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 > > *************************************************** > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What do you suggest for infant brothers with the same name? In my PAF file, I list them as (for example): "John (first)," "John (second)" and "John (third)." They are not on FT yet, but any ideas how to make sure they do not get merged/combined? > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:36:29 -0400 > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" > > Doggone. I actually edited that name and took out the parenthesis myself > this morning! > > Will try again. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/3/2013 11:23:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > cathetaylor1@comcast.net writes: > > Michele, > > I looked at it and it is because there is a () showing in his middle name. > Family tree will not allow that. I went back into new.familysearch.org > and > changed it to the name without the () in the middle name, so my name is > showing now. Look under Summary on the record and see the different names > and chose the one that matched in Family Tree. Right now they have to > match. It has to be showing exactly the same in both new.familysearch and > in Family Tree. > > Cathe Taylor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" > > > > I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a > > helper with "Needs more information." > > > > Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission > whether > > it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to > > 110 > > years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them > > into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done > > clueless and tying up names). > > > > That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me > > why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both > > parents > > and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more > > information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a > > hint! > > > > Michele > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Everyone: I thought that everyone could benefit from an answer to this question-- Here is the response from the Help Center-- Temple Work for Restricted Localities posted: 20 May 2013 An individual wants to reserve family names for temple work in a restricted locality. The Church is sensitive to certain localities because of the political or religious beliefs of the people in those areas. We do not provide lists of the restricted countries. Ordinances from these localities are not available for public view, but they are still preserved, and the work is valid. Permission is required from Church headquarters to do work for individuals from these localities. Why is permission required? This allows us to verify your relationship and also make sure the work hasn't already been completed. What else is required? Submit a case through the Help Center in Family Tree Feedback. To access this screen in Family Tree: Select the Feedback link near the bottom of the FamilySearch.org website. Select Click here to report a problem. Next, select Click here to submit your problem. In the Category field choose Family Tree. In the Brief Description, please type: "Restricted area." If you have family members that need work completed or would like to locate ordinance dates, please provide in the Details field: Names. Birth and death information. Person identifier numbers from Family Tree. Mark E. Gower Mesa, Arizona, USA ---- Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: ============= Regarding this can someone tell me why the ordinances for Max Tau LZJF-MDS show unavailable.. Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doggone. I actually edited that name and took out the parenthesis myself this morning! Will try again. Michele In a message dated 6/3/2013 11:23:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cathetaylor1@comcast.net writes: Michele, I looked at it and it is because there is a () showing in his middle name. Family tree will not allow that. I went back into new.familysearch.org and changed it to the name without the () in the middle name, so my name is showing now. Look under Summary on the record and see the different names and chose the one that matched in Family Tree. Right now they have to match. It has to be showing exactly the same in both new.familysearch and in Family Tree. Cathe Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" > I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a > helper with "Needs more information." > > Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission whether > it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to > 110 > years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them > into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done > clueless and tying up names). > > That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me > why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both > parents > and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more > information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a > hint! > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. He married one of my distant relatives. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shanna Jones" <shannasjones@msn.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" Steve, That one looks like a restricted record because either he was famous or because of him being of Jewish descent. See: Tau, Max (Beuthen, 1897-1976, Oslo), of Jewish descent, completed his studies of philology in Hamburg, Berlin, and Kiel with a thesis on Fontane (Der assoziative Faktor der Landschafts- und Ortsdarstellung Theodor Fontanes, 1928) before becoming a publisher's reader in Trier and Berlin (with Bruno Cassirer). In 1938 he emigrated to Norway, where he lived again from 1945 as a publisher's chief reader (in Oslo), editor, and writer, having during the German occupation (from 1942) taken refuge in Sweden. He wrote two novels, Glauben an den Menschen (1948; in Norwegian, 1946) and Denn über uns der Himmel (1955; in Norwegian, 1954), and devoted himself to peace and (racial) reconciliation, the cause for which he edited Die Friedensbücherei (2 vols., 1956) and which he admired in Albert Schweitzer (Albert Schweizer und der Friede, 1955). He is particularly noted for his recollections, which appeared in 3 volumes as Das Land, das ich verlassen mußte (1961), Ein Flüchtling findet sein Land (1964), and Auf dem Weg zur Versöhnung (1968). Trotz allem! Lebenserinnerungen aus 70 Jahren appeared in 1973 and Das Leben lieben. Max Tau in Briefen und Dokumenten 1945-1976 in 1988. He was the first recipient of the Friedenspreis des deutschen Buchhandels; in 1965 he was awarded the Nelly Sachs Prize. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/max-tau#ixzz2VBOhGVuV -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kelsey Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:15 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" Regarding this can someone tell me why the ordinances for Max Tau LZJF-MDS show unavailable.. Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a helper with "Needs more information." Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission whether it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to 110 years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done clueless and tying up names). That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both parents and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a hint! Michele

Steve, That one looks like a restricted record because either he was famous or because of him being of Jewish descent. See: Tau, Max (Beuthen, 1897-1976, Oslo), of Jewish descent, completed his studies of philology in Hamburg, Berlin, and Kiel with a thesis on Fontane (Der assoziative Faktor der Landschafts- und Ortsdarstellung Theodor Fontanes, 1928) before becoming a publisher's reader in Trier and Berlin (with Bruno Cassirer). In 1938 he emigrated to Norway, where he lived again from 1945 as a publisher's chief reader (in Oslo), editor, and writer, having during the German occupation (from 1942) taken refuge in Sweden. He wrote two novels, Glauben an den Menschen (1948; in Norwegian, 1946) and Denn über uns der Himmel (1955; in Norwegian, 1954), and devoted himself to peace and (racial) reconciliation, the cause for which he edited Die Friedensbücherei (2 vols., 1956) and which he admired in Albert Schweitzer (Albert Schweizer und der Friede, 1955). He is particularly noted for his recollections, which appeared in 3 volumes as Das Land, das ich verlassen mußte (1961), Ein Flüchtling findet sein Land (1964), and Auf dem Weg zur Versöhnung (1968). Trotz allem! Lebenserinnerungen aus 70 Jahren appeared in 1973 and Das Leben lieben. Max Tau in Briefen und Dokumenten 1945-1976 in 1988. He was the first recipient of the Friedenspreis des deutschen Buchhandels; in 1965 he was awarded the Nelly Sachs Prize. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/max-tau#ixzz2VBOhGVuV -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kelsey Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:15 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" Regarding this can someone tell me why the ordinances for Max Tau LZJF-MDS show unavailable.. Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding this can someone tell me why the ordinances for Max Tau LZJF-MDS show unavailable.. Steve Kelsey

It looks like you fixed it by changing the place to a standardized place? Shanna -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JCBrooks@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:54 AM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a helper with "Needs more information." Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission whether it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to 110 years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done clueless and tying up names). That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both parents and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a hint! Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michele, I looked at it and it is because there is a () showing in his middle name. Family tree will not allow that. I went back into new.familysearch.org and changed it to the name without the () in the middle name, so my name is showing now. Look under Summary on the record and see the different names and chose the one that matched in Family Tree. Right now they have to match. It has to be showing exactly the same in both new.familysearch and in Family Tree. Cathe Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] "Needs more information" > I've been having some frustrating experiences in my own tree and as a > helper with "Needs more information." > > Of course, we all know that when they changed rules for submission whether > it was the use of parentheses in names or format of dates or from 95 to > 110 > years, they stopped all temple work on names without grandfathering them > into the newer situation (thus leaving patrons who thought is was done > clueless and tying up names). > > That said. Can someone look at Willis Hampton Cox LM96-SSL and tell me > why he needs more information? I've checked for duplications in both > parents > and Willis. The names and dates are sufficient. Why do we need more > information? What what is the big SECRET? I wish they'd give me a > hint! > > Michele > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a way to search only a portion of the tree at new.familysearch.org <https://new.familysearch.org> but since that is going away soon I'm not sure if you'd want to invest in it. The product is called Sharing Time and is available at sharingtime.com <http://sharingtime.com/> . It is a one year subscription for $15, although they kept me on for at least two years without renewing for some reason. I loved it when I was using new.familysearch.org <https://new.familysearch.org> before Family Tree came out. Perhaps the publishers will get it to work with Family Tree. I do not know. Using Sharing Time you can make your own index of the names you want. There are other features as well, such as the ability to email a group of contributors to a particular name when email addresses are available. Also, finding people who need ordinances. Meantime, are you aware that the History in Family Tree holds the last 50 names you accessed? That might do the trick for you. The third party software programs, like Ancestral Quest and I imagine RootsMagic & Legacy and others, can tell you how you are related to others. Giving Feedback to FamilySearch lets the folks who make the decisions know what features we are interested in having available in Family Tree. Ann A. On 6/3/2013 10:47 AM, Terri Jaskolka wrote: > Understood, but it would be nice if there were some way to search those > already connected to you in a known relationship. And then it would be > really great to see how you are connected, especially if you are connected > in more than one way. :) > > -Terri J. >

Understood, but it would be nice if there were some way to search those already connected to you in a known relationship. And then it would be really great to see how you are connected, especially if you are connected in more than one way. :) -Terri J. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Nancy Tychonievich <nansuty@gmail.com>wrote: > Even searching using the search within Family Tree, you are not searching > only "your" tree, since there really isn't any such thing in Family Tree. > The tree is collaborative. You will always be searching all names that have > been entered into Family Tree. > > Sister Tychonievich > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:00 AM, <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com > >wrote: > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please > remember > > to restrict the size of your post. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Sebastian Buck) > > 2. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Miles Meyer) > > 3. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (JCBrooks@aol.com) > > 4. Re: ancient history (Jerry Cowley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:25 +0200 > > From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> > > Subject: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <002b01ce5f96$9a203c20$ce60b460$@sebastianbuck.name> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > searches > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if you're > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:37:20 -0400 > > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > < > > CAB5+kWyeUb9EDzRxDGDWsoTovALbmBHDMtt-fE+eETrwEKzUNQ@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Use the Search function in the same line where it says Tree - Person - > > Search -- not the Search on the top line next to Photos > > > > Miles Meyer > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get > > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Buck <mail@sebastianbuck.name > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > > searches > > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > > adding > > > a > > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > you're > > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > Sebastian Buck > > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) > > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <504da.238c0c2f.3edcb3df@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I agree this is confusing! > > > > There is a separate/different tool bar for Family Tree and FamilySearch. > > > > When FamilySearch is in green in the left corner, mid-page you can see > > Family Tree Photos Search. This Search gets you to the indexed names > > and > > other resources. After signing in, Temple is added for LDS members on > > this > > page, just to the right. > > > > After sign-in, and when the pedigree or fan chart appears, there also > > appears a second tool bar below the first. It also contains the word, > > Search. > > This tool bar allow you to search within your own tree and most > helpfully > > by the Full name or PID numbers for each individuals. > > > > I have always thought that redundancy was odd as well. > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/2/2013 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > > searches > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > you're > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0600 > > From: "Jerry Cowley" <jbcowley@rmci.net> > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ancient history > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <000501ce5faa$c6440a70$52cc1f50$@net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Good point, Steve. When I began in the late 50's, our instructions were > to > > check at home, ask, and write letters. There wasn't much emphasis on > > documentation, just information. I remember how tired my hand got just > > copying information. The copy machine was a miracle as much as the > > computer > > was. The emphasis on documentation came later, when the church had all > > these 4 generation sheets that didn't agree... > > > > The church still allows some judiciously estimated information if > > everything > > else is intact. I note that the new iteration of Family Tree allows the > > addition of the words about, before, and after on dates. That's a good > > thing > > because it alerts us to an estimation. You can also add "of" before a > > location and it stays if you don't click on the sync. But even with > > spelling variations, they want as full a name as possible. With the > > mis-combinations, without research, it's difficult to determine some > > relationships. So the name is the key piece of identification, even for > > ceremonial purposes. > > > > Some date guidelines I was taught for estimating--when all else fails: > > Wife 4 years younger than husband > > Marriage 1 year prior to first child > > First child 20 years younger than mother, born 1 year after parents' > > marriage > > Next child, 2 years after first child, and so on > > > > Obviously there are exceptions in real life and real problems creep in > when > > you try to apply these over more than one generation. So documentation is > > far preferred. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:09:37 -0600 > > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> > > Subject: [LDS-WC] ancient history..... > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1948B3DE78D330058AC1C36D1930@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > One must also remember that much of the early work was done from memories > > and there was very little documentation available to these early members. > > My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with very > > little information as to who they were and in fact usually they were > listed > > as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 people > > named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to know which > one > > he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much > information > > so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records on > > microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one surname, or > > trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in Herefordshire in > > the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers were not available I > know > > what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not online > > which > > I believe would be a great benefit for English research is the post 1858 > > principal probate registry index for Great Britain and I am surprised > that > > no one has considered putting it online as yet. > > In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old Joseph > > Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had to > requisition > > records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was family > > group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am amazed at what > our > > early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting > temple > > work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. > > > > Steve Kelsey > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 8403 (20130602) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 > > *************************************************** > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Your point is a good one. That is one of the main reasons I use a personal database program on my own computer. I highly recommend using one to all the people I work with. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Terri Jaskolka Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:47 AM To: lds-ward-consultant Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 Understood, but it would be nice if there were some way to search those already connected to you in a known relationship. And then it would be really great to see how you are connected, especially if you are connected in more than one way. :) -Terri J. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Nancy Tychonievich <nansuty@gmail.com>wrote: > Even searching using the search within Family Tree, you are not searching > only "your" tree, since there really isn't any such thing in Family Tree. > The tree is collaborative. You will always be searching all names that > have > been entered into Family Tree. > > Sister Tychonievich > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:00 AM, <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com > >wrote: > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please > remember > > to restrict the size of your post. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Sebastian Buck) > > 2. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (Miles Meyer) > > 3. Re: Search feature doesn't make any sense to me (JCBrooks@aol.com) > > 4. Re: ancient history (Jerry Cowley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:25 +0200 > > From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> > > Subject: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <002b01ce5f96$9a203c20$ce60b460$@sebastianbuck.name> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > searches > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > > you're > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:37:20 -0400 > > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > < > > CAB5+kWyeUb9EDzRxDGDWsoTovALbmBHDMtt-fE+eETrwEKzUNQ@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Use the Search function in the same line where it says Tree - Person - > > Search -- not the Search on the top line next to Photos > > > > Miles Meyer > > Jacksonville, FL > > > > "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to > > get > > better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Buck <mail@sebastianbuck.name > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > > searches > > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > > adding > > > a > > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > you're > > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > > > Sebastian Buck > > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) > > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Search feature doesn't make any sense to me > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <504da.238c0c2f.3edcb3df@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I agree this is confusing! > > > > There is a separate/different tool bar for Family Tree and > > FamilySearch. > > > > When FamilySearch is in green in the left corner, mid-page you can see > > Family Tree Photos Search. This Search gets you to the indexed > > names > > and > > other resources. After signing in, Temple is added for LDS members on > > this > > page, just to the right. > > > > After sign-in, and when the pedigree or fan chart appears, there also > > appears a second tool bar below the first. It also contains the word, > > Search. > > This tool bar allow you to search within your own tree and most > helpfully > > by the Full name or PID numbers for each individuals. > > > > I have always thought that redundancy was odd as well. > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/2/2013 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have never used this feature before so this might sound like a silly > > question. However I hope you can help me with that: > > > > I'm using FT and see the main tree. Now I want to search for one of my > > ancestors. I see the search feature. However it seems this feature > > searches > > through all the billion names in the database. This is helpful when > adding > > a > > new name in order to find duplicates but doesn't make any sense if > you're > > looking for one of your ancestors in your own personal tree. > > > > So is there a way to search only in your own data? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Sebastian Buck > > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:03:50 -0600 > > From: "Jerry Cowley" <jbcowley@rmci.net> > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ancient history > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <000501ce5faa$c6440a70$52cc1f50$@net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Good point, Steve. When I began in the late 50's, our instructions were > to > > check at home, ask, and write letters. There wasn't much emphasis on > > documentation, just information. I remember how tired my hand got just > > copying information. The copy machine was a miracle as much as the > > computer > > was. The emphasis on documentation came later, when the church had all > > these 4 generation sheets that didn't agree... > > > > The church still allows some judiciously estimated information if > > everything > > else is intact. I note that the new iteration of Family Tree allows the > > addition of the words about, before, and after on dates. That's a good > > thing > > because it alerts us to an estimation. You can also add "of" before a > > location and it stays if you don't click on the sync. But even with > > spelling variations, they want as full a name as possible. With the > > mis-combinations, without research, it's difficult to determine some > > relationships. So the name is the key piece of identification, even for > > ceremonial purposes. > > > > Some date guidelines I was taught for estimating--when all else fails: > > Wife 4 years younger than husband > > Marriage 1 year prior to first child > > First child 20 years younger than mother, born 1 year after parents' > > marriage > > Next child, 2 years after first child, and so on > > > > Obviously there are exceptions in real life and real problems creep in > when > > you try to apply these over more than one generation. So documentation > > is > > far preferred. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:09:37 -0600 > > From: Steve Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> > > Subject: [LDS-WC] ancient history..... > > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1948B3DE78D330058AC1C36D1930@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > One must also remember that much of the early work was done from > > memories > > and there was very little documentation available to these early > > members. > > My great grandfather's uncle did work for John Derry and others with > > very > > little information as to who they were and in fact usually they were > listed > > as "friends" rather than relatives. Since I know of at least 10 people > > named John Derry who are relatives it was very difficult to know which > one > > he did the work for. We are very, very blessed to have so much > information > > so easy to get at. Having spent many hours searching census records on > > microfilm, or seaching the bmd indexes film by film for one surname, or > > trying to make a pedigree from the wills and probates in Herefordshire > > in > > the 1960's and 70's because the parish registers were not available I > know > > what great strides we have made. One missing item which is not online > > which > > I believe would be a great benefit for English research is the post 1858 > > principal probate registry index for Great Britain and I am surprised > that > > no one has considered putting it online as yet. > > In fact when I started in 1952 I went to the basement of the old Joseph > > Smith Building where the Relief Socity bldg is now. You had to > requisition > > records at a window and sign them out. No copy machines==it was family > > group sheets and a pencil and something for notes. I am amazed at what > our > > early forebearers, great and great great grandparents did at getting > temple > > work done and how much they were able to do with how little they had. > > > > Steve Kelsey > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 8403 (20130602) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 > > *************************************************** > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message