I was told that a woman can be sealed to two husbands if she has children with both. As in my case my mother and father were sealed after death, but before death they were divorced and she was sealed to another man that she had 2 children with. I was given a name of my grand uncles wife, by Family Search to do the work, but in researching I found the name they had her under was her married name with her first husband and they had 3 children, and she had no children with my grand uncle, also in the research I found her maiden name, her parents and found their work and hers was done. The only thing missing is the sealing to her husband and children. So I will have that done, but not seal her to my grand uncle who has a first wife and children to be sealed to. Is that how others understand the system? Thanks for any enlightenment, Betty Jo Colbert Citrus Heights Stake, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tippets" <sahara346@gmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:15:36 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages My understanding is that she can be sealed to both husbands only if she is deceased herself. Karen

The general rule is: seal children to their natural parents and seal a woman or a man to all husbands/wives after they are deceased. Basically it puts in place all possible scenarios. Everyone gets sealing blessings. The Lord and the individuals decide, with full information which we do not have on earth, who will ultimately go with who. No sealing is permanent without that ratification by the Holy Spirit of Promise. I believe that the ordinance of sealing children to parents is not totally understood. Clearly, we are not eternally children in parental homes if we are married and having families as adults. Rather, it must pertain to a linking of generations and a right to relationships in some manner as well as identification as a child/person of the covenant. Michele In a message dated 6/8/2013 11:01:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, donbjc@comcast.net writes: I was told that a woman can be sealed to two husbands if she has children with both. As in my case my mother and father were sealed after death, but before death they were divorced and she was sealed to another man that she had 2 children with. I was given a name of my grand uncles wife, by Family Search to do the work, but in researching I found the name they had her under was her married name with her first husband and they had 3 children, and she had no children with my grand uncle, also in the research I found her maiden name, her parents and found their work and hers was done. The only thing missing is the sealing to her husband and children. So I will have that done, but not seal her to my grand uncle who has a first wife and children to be sealed to. Is that how others understand the system? Thanks for any enlightenment, Betty Jo Colbert Citrus Heights Stake, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tippets" <sahara346@gmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:15:36 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages My understanding is that she can be sealed to both husbands only if she is deceased herself. Karen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My understanding is that she can be sealed to both husbands only if she is deceased herself. Karen On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Jean Weber <mjquilts@shaw.ca> wrote: > thank you > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages > > > >A woman is always known by her maiden name in the temple. You should > > change and add a note about the reason for the change her second marriage > > to > > her maiden name. If there are two records, combine them as the same > > person > > so avoid redundancy in her own ordinances. She can be sealed to both > > husbands. > > > > Michele > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2013 4:35:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mjquilts@shaw.ca writes: > > > > Hi > > > > Can someone please point me in the correct direction as to how to input > a > > name for a sister who has been married twice? > > > > This lady was married once and her husband died. When she remarried she > > used her married name. That is okay except it shows that she needs her > > temple > > ordinances but they were done before she married her first husband. > > > > Can you please point me in the direction of a knowledge document as to > > whether I should include her maiden name with the second husband or just > > how > > to handle it.. I am recovering from surgery and am still not functioning > > on > > all thrusters. > > > > Thanks for your help > > Jean > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

A woman is always known by her maiden name in the temple. You should change and add a note about the reason for the change her second marriage to her maiden name. If there are two records, combine them as the same person so avoid redundancy in her own ordinances. She can be sealed to both husbands. Michele In a message dated 6/8/2013 4:35:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mjquilts@shaw.ca writes: Hi Can someone please point me in the correct direction as to how to input a name for a sister who has been married twice? This lady was married once and her husband died. When she remarried she used her married name. That is okay except it shows that she needs her temple ordinances but they were done before she married her first husband. Can you please point me in the direction of a knowledge document as to whether I should include her maiden name with the second husband or just how to handle it.. I am recovering from surgery and am still not functioning on all thrusters. Thanks for your help Jean Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages >A woman is always known by her maiden name in the temple. You should > change and add a note about the reason for the change her second marriage > to > her maiden name. If there are two records, combine them as the same > person > so avoid redundancy in her own ordinances. She can be sealed to both > husbands. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2013 4:35:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > mjquilts@shaw.ca writes: > > Hi > > Can someone please point me in the correct direction as to how to input a > name for a sister who has been married twice? > > This lady was married once and her husband died. When she remarried she > used her married name. That is okay except it shows that she needs her > temple > ordinances but they were done before she married her first husband. > > Can you please point me in the direction of a knowledge document as to > whether I should include her maiden name with the second husband or just > how > to handle it.. I am recovering from surgery and am still not functioning > on > all thrusters. > > Thanks for your help > Jean > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Can someone please point me in the correct direction as to how to input a name for a sister who has been married twice? This lady was married once and her husband died. When she remarried she used her married name. That is okay except it shows that she needs her temple ordinances but they were done before she married her first husband. Can you please point me in the direction of a knowledge document as to whether I should include her maiden name with the second husband or just how to handle it.. I am recovering from surgery and am still not functioning on all thrusters. Thanks for your help Jean

I've seen that many times in the census's, my own great grandmother was called Minnie and that is on her gravestone, but her real name was Brinkamina, I never knew until I started doing genealogy and I knew her personally until I was 25 years old. My grandfather was Hamer Adams all his life, but his real name was John Hamer, never knew that until later in life. They seemed to take whatever name they liked, very confusing to the next generations. Betty Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:40:04 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Suggestions wanted That's funny. "Martha D" with a D as in Dorine, and "Dorine M" with an M as in Martha. Is there any autographed record? How did she sign her name on her ID card, driver's license, personal letters, etc? snip/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> From: sahara346@gmail.com

You should be aware that you cannot put / in any records in FT at all. This goes for all symbols. I have been able to use hyphens in names however. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tippets" <sahara346@gmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Suggestions wanted > No idea of any of that at this point. It's too recent to be able to find > most records, and I don't know where the family may be located at the > present time...as I said they are distant cousins, and I haven't bothered > to calculate what the exact relationship is. It's just gathering family > into my personal program for some future reference. It sometimes pays off > to have the very distant cousins, as you can compare notes once you've > confirmed relationships, and possibly solve research problems with the > clues that the other adds to picture puzzle. > > Thanks for the ideas. > Karen > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Jorge Todeschini < > jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> That's funny. "Martha D" with a D as in Dorine, and "Dorine M" with an M >> as in Martha. >> Is there any autographed record? How did she sign her name on her ID >> card, >> driver's license, personal letters, etc? >> >> snip/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> From: sahara346@gmail.com >> > >> > I was adding a distant cousin's family to personal records. His >> > daughter >> > inone census is Martha D and in the next census is Dorine M. Some of my >> kin >> > from the other side of the family got really creative with which name >> they >> > were using when the census taker came, but I knew the birth name for >> sure. >> > For now I've got Martha/Dorine in the way she is listed in the 1925 >> Kansas >> > census, with a message in the notes that she also went by Dorine M. >> > >> > Anybody have a better suggestion? >> > >> > Karen >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just > one! > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's funny. "Martha D" with a D as in Dorine, and "Dorine M" with an M as in Martha. Is there any autographed record? How did she sign her name on her ID card, driver's license, personal letters, etc? snip/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> From: sahara346@gmail.com > > I was adding a distant cousin's family to personal records. His daughter > inone census is Martha D and in the next census is Dorine M. Some of my kin > from the other side of the family got really creative with which name they > were using when the census taker came, but I knew the birth name for sure. > For now I've got Martha/Dorine in the way she is listed in the 1925 Kansas > census, with a message in the notes that she also went by Dorine M. > > Anybody have a better suggestion? > > Karen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/

No idea of any of that at this point. It's too recent to be able to find most records, and I don't know where the family may be located at the present time...as I said they are distant cousins, and I haven't bothered to calculate what the exact relationship is. It's just gathering family into my personal program for some future reference. It sometimes pays off to have the very distant cousins, as you can compare notes once you've confirmed relationships, and possibly solve research problems with the clues that the other adds to picture puzzle. Thanks for the ideas. Karen On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Jorge Todeschini < jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > That's funny. "Martha D" with a D as in Dorine, and "Dorine M" with an M > as in Martha. > Is there any autographed record? How did she sign her name on her ID card, > driver's license, personal letters, etc? > > snip/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > From: sahara346@gmail.com > > > > I was adding a distant cousin's family to personal records. His daughter > > inone census is Martha D and in the next census is Dorine M. Some of my > kin > > from the other side of the family got really creative with which name > they > > were using when the census taker came, but I knew the birth name for > sure. > > For now I've got Martha/Dorine in the way she is listed in the 1925 > Kansas > > census, with a message in the notes that she also went by Dorine M. > > > > Anybody have a better suggestion? > > > > Karen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

Her parents may have called her one thing, but likely she chose her middle name. She probably doesn't have a real birth certificate that early. In these cases, which are really common, I usually put "Martha or Dorine". Or "Dorine or Martha", whichever first that you think she used most in her adult life where more records like a death certifiicate, social security records, etc would be found. Michele In a message dated 6/5/2013 4:03:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sahara346@gmail.com writes: I was adding a distant cousin's family to personal records. His daughter inone census is Martha D and in the next census is Dorine M. Some of my kin from the other side of the family got really creative with which name they were using when the census taker came, but I knew the birth name for sure. For now I've got Martha/Dorine in the way she is listed in the 1925 Kansas census, with a message in the notes that she also went by Dorine M. Anybody have a better suggestion? Karen -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one! Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was adding a distant cousin's family to personal records. His daughter inone census is Martha D and in the next census is Dorine M. Some of my kin from the other side of the family got really creative with which name they were using when the census taker came, but I knew the birth name for sure. For now I've got Martha/Dorine in the way she is listed in the 1925 Kansas census, with a message in the notes that she also went by Dorine M. Anybody have a better suggestion? Karen -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

And also when you work on duplicates, be sure to change in your own records (as necessary) the new PID that is often created/assumed. Michele In a message dated 6/5/2013 10:34:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: a word of caution here. The PIDs in FT... if any other PIDs in nFS were merged into different PIDs by somebody else, the chances go very high you won't find the PID that was synced with nFS, in FT anymore. Examine in FT to ensure there are no duplicates before recording the PID in your personal software. David Samuelsen On 6/5/2013 9:09 AM, Miles Meyer wrote: > I use AncestralQuest to determine who I will be looking for and then use > the PID# from the person after they were synced with FS. Using the PID# > means you only have to fill in that one field in the FS search screen to > find the individuals you are looking for. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

a word of caution here. The PIDs in FT... if any other PIDs in nFS were merged into different PIDs by somebody else, the chances go very high you won't find the PID that was synced with nFS, in FT anymore. Examine in FT to ensure there are no duplicates before recording the PID in your personal software. David Samuelsen On 6/5/2013 9:09 AM, Miles Meyer wrote: > I use AncestralQuest to determine who I will be looking for and then use > the PID# from the person after they were synced with FS. Using the PID# > means you only have to fill in that one field in the FS search screen to > find the individuals you are looking for. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL

I use AncestralQuest to determine who I will be looking for and then use the PID# from the person after they were synced with FS. Using the PID# means you only have to fill in that one field in the FS search screen to find the individuals you are looking for. Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, The Lorax On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Sebastian Buck <mail@sebastianbuck.name>wrote: > Hi, > > I just wanted to thank you all for your much appreciated input to my > question about how to use the search feature to limit the search only to > your own ancestors. > > So it seems that it's not possible (at least not in FT) to limit my search > to my own ancestors. This is really something that annoys me. I don't have > thousands of ancestors in my own tree but a few dozens. However I often > want > to navigate to a specific ancestor in order to edit some information, add a > child or a spouse a for any other reason. I find it most difficult to get > to > a specific ancestors in the tree without having the ability to search for > his or her name. A data base wide search over billions of entries is not > very helpful either. > > So how do you manage to find specific ancestors in your tree in FT? Using > another software outside of FT is certainly one good way. Have any other > helpful ideas? > > Thanks. > > Sebastian Buck > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany stake > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have absolutely no problem searching in FT. If you are trying to fill in all of the blanks in the search you certainly don't need to. For me usually the name and birthdate/birthplace are adequate to find the person I am looking for. If you have that few a names in your tree it should be relatively easy to find them using the pedigree by finding how they are directly related to you and then just working on down using the place where it shows the family and click on the child you want which changes that child to the principal one and then click on their child you want and it goes to the next one. I find this relatively easy. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastian Buck" <mail@sebastianbuck.name> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Searching a portion of Family Tree > Hi, > > I just wanted to thank you all for your much appreciated input to my > question about how to use the search feature to limit the search only to > your own ancestors. > > So it seems that it's not possible (at least not in FT) to limit my search > to my own ancestors. This is really something that annoys me. I don't have > thousands of ancestors in my own tree but a few dozens. However I often > want > to navigate to a specific ancestor in order to edit some information, add > a > child or a spouse a for any other reason. I find it most difficult to get > to > a specific ancestors in the tree without having the ability to search for > his or her name. A data base wide search over billions of entries is not > very helpful either. > > So how do you manage to find specific ancestors in your tree in FT? Using > another software outside of FT is certainly one good way. Have any other > helpful ideas? > > Thanks. > > Sebastian Buck > Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany stake > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I just wanted to thank you all for your much appreciated input to my question about how to use the search feature to limit the search only to your own ancestors. So it seems that it's not possible (at least not in FT) to limit my search to my own ancestors. This is really something that annoys me. I don't have thousands of ancestors in my own tree but a few dozens. However I often want to navigate to a specific ancestor in order to edit some information, add a child or a spouse a for any other reason. I find it most difficult to get to a specific ancestors in the tree without having the ability to search for his or her name. A data base wide search over billions of entries is not very helpful either. So how do you manage to find specific ancestors in your tree in FT? Using another software outside of FT is certainly one good way. Have any other helpful ideas? Thanks. Sebastian Buck Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany stake

I keep everything on PAF (but there are many other good genealogy software products). I find the PID numbers with Family Insight and update them with that resource. Makes it a lot easier to locate them on Family Tree. Once I find the right person, I can then work on the duplicates or adding new information. Until Family Tree is "perfected" it is not the primary source (for me) of my own family tree. I will do my best to support the creation of the world tree, but I feel my personal responsibility is first to my own kindred dead. I need to be satisfied that ordinances are complete for those folks. Since FT has a current habit of losing/adding people to families and losing temple data, I am comforted that I have kept a record in PAF all along. Michele In a message dated 6/4/2013 9:12:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mail@sebastianbuck.name writes: Hi, I just wanted to thank you all for your much appreciated input to my question about how to use the search feature to limit the search only to your own ancestors. So it seems that it's not possible (at least not in FT) to limit my search to my own ancestors. This is really something that annoys me. I don't have thousands of ancestors in my own tree but a few dozens. However I often want to navigate to a specific ancestor in order to edit some information, add a child or a spouse a for any other reason. I find it most difficult to get to a specific ancestors in the tree without having the ability to search for his or her name. A data base wide search over billions of entries is not very helpful either. So how do you manage to find specific ancestors in your tree in FT? Using another software outside of FT is certainly one good way. Have any other helpful ideas? Thanks. Sebastian Buck Esslingen ward, Stuttgart Germany stake Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

would it be easier to report this problem at getsatisfaction.coms site. They take faster action to fix problems. Engineers and staff respond faster. David On 6/4/2013 1:05 PM, Mark E. Gower wrote: > Please forgive if you get this message twice-- it is being sent to 2 groups. > > When in Family Tree, writing a new story for an individual record-- Saving the Story returns an Internal Server Error. Actually the Story Saves, however, it does not go to the screen to select the story for attachment. > > WORK-AROUND-- use back button twice to get back to all stories, refresh, new story should be first on list, select in box and attach. A Cases has been written to get the problem fixed. > > Mark E. Gower > Mesa, Arizona, USA > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please forgive if you get this message twice-- it is being sent to 2 groups. When in Family Tree, writing a new story for an individual record-- Saving the Story returns an Internal Server Error. Actually the Story Saves, however, it does not go to the screen to select the story for attachment. WORK-AROUND-- use back button twice to get back to all stories, refresh, new story should be first on list, select in box and attach. A Cases has been written to get the problem fixed. Mark E. Gower Mesa, Arizona, USA