Ditto. With the millions they are spending on trying to iron out Family Tree, you'd think a few simple updates to PAF would be a cinch. I agree with other. PAF and Family Insight are easy. I tried another software and it was cumbersome and extremely time consuming to do simple tasks. Michele In a message dated 6/10/2013 8:04:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sjkelsey@msn.com writes: I agree with Fred and would hope that sooner or later someone would begin to upgrade PAF, even a simple upgrade such as putting in all the new temple abbreviations. Having invested a lot of time using PAF5 and with lots of experience it still seems a great program to me. I have used some of the others but I never really like them as much as I do PAF. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred" <unclefvp@verizon.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > Given, that many dozens of thousands of Church members still use PAF, > teaching PAF makes a lot of sense. New users should probably invest the > time > in other software, but for the thousands of existing users, don't expect > them to change, they won't. I have a paid copy of Roots Magic on my > computers, have had it for years, buy a new license every time I need to. > But I use PAF, I'll continue to use PAF (And Family Insight), and will > till > they stop working. If PAF ever does stop working, you'll see a large drop > off in family history work... Why? Cause that's the way human minds > operate, > whether we like it or not. You can not do family history without a > personal > database program, and PAF is the easiest I've found, and that makes it, > essential. > > Regards, Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shanna > Jones > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:58 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > Personal genealogy software > PAF and other similar records manager apps are valuable to provide > individuals with a way to store their pedigree with its associated notes, > sources and incidental information. > > There are no plans to further develop PAF, however there are also free and > inexpensive third party applications that can be used as a replacement for > PAF. These third party apps are regularly updated with new features and > enhancements. For more information regarding third party apps go to > https://familysearch.org/products. PAF is no longer available for purchase > on Compact Disc, and although it is still available for download, we > strongly recommend using a third party product as suggested above. > > New.FamilySearch.org > New.FamilySearch.org is a web based family tree that enables people to > share > and work together on common ancestral lines. In April 2013, FamilySearch > introduced FamilySearch Family Tree to replace New.FamilySearch.org. > Several third party products (mentioned above) support > New.FamilySearch.org > integration, and vital data from New.FamilySearch.org will be also then > available in FamilySearch Family Tree. > > Personal genealogy software and FamilySearch Family Tree together Given > that > PAF does not directly integrate with FamilySearch Family Tree, and > New.FamilySearch.org is to be discontinued at a future point, we will be > providing solutions for PAF users to be able to take full advantage of > FamilySearch Family Tree. This solution will be announced as soon as > possible. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna > McNamara > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:29 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard > that. > Donna > > Donna McNamara > Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This discussion reminds me of a humorous incident while my wife and I were serving as Directors of the New York FHC in Manhattan a few years ago. The Public Affairs people asked us to do some research on the family history of several of the NBC Today show people, e.g. Al Roker, the weather guy and Jody Applegate, the weekend anchor lady. They gave us the starting info and we found all kinds of stuff on their ancestry. In Jody Applegate's case they only wanted us to follow her mother's line so we left her father's name and line blank. I entered all our info in PAF and when I printed the FGS's, it showed her mother fine, but it said "Father Unknown"! I quickly realized that if they showed that on TV it could be disastrous, so I put "Father Not Entered" or something like that in the father field. It might be wise for genealogy program authors to think carefully what they automatically put in blanks that have no data. BTW, you can always just put in underscores in a name field so it prints as a place holder. I'm not aware of any way that you can have PAF print the wife field on top on a FGS. Don Snow On 6/10/2013 9:36 PM, Mary S. Scott (Illinois) wrote: > I do not think it is possible to reverse the order of the Husband and Wife on a family group record in PAF. At the same time, I do not think it possible to only have the wife and not the husband at the top of a FGR. > > If the husband is unknown, then the family should just leave that section blank. The program allows us to mark a spouse as unknown. > > PAF works on the aspect of families. Children are born into a family because of the relationship between a man and a woman. > > If the husband is not recorded, his section is left blank. > > So if someone doesn't want the husband recorded, just leave him out of PAF. > > Mary Scott > Aurora, Illinois > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gay Davis <grdavis@centurytel.net> > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:23 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > > Yesterday I tried getting a technical question asked about PAF by phone and email. I got a canned email back unresponsive to my question basically saying the church wasn't supporting PAF anymore and suggesting I get another software package. I finally gave up on the phone, the receptionist didn't seem to recognize the word PAF and I was on hold for too long to continue. > > Does anyone know if there is a way you can run a family group sheet in PAF and put the wife at the top of the page? > > Gay > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dr. Donald R. Snow, Retired Professor of Mathematics Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah - snowd@math.byu.edu

I agree with Fred and would hope that sooner or later someone would begin to upgrade PAF, even a simple upgrade such as putting in all the new temple abbreviations. Having invested a lot of time using PAF5 and with lots of experience it still seems a great program to me. I have used some of the others but I never really like them as much as I do PAF. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred" <unclefvp@verizon.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > Given, that many dozens of thousands of Church members still use PAF, > teaching PAF makes a lot of sense. New users should probably invest the > time > in other software, but for the thousands of existing users, don't expect > them to change, they won't. I have a paid copy of Roots Magic on my > computers, have had it for years, buy a new license every time I need to. > But I use PAF, I'll continue to use PAF (And Family Insight), and will > till > they stop working. If PAF ever does stop working, you'll see a large drop > off in family history work... Why? Cause that's the way human minds > operate, > whether we like it or not. You can not do family history without a > personal > database program, and PAF is the easiest I've found, and that makes it, > essential. > > Regards, Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shanna > Jones > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:58 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > Personal genealogy software > PAF and other similar records manager apps are valuable to provide > individuals with a way to store their pedigree with its associated notes, > sources and incidental information. > > There are no plans to further develop PAF, however there are also free and > inexpensive third party applications that can be used as a replacement for > PAF. These third party apps are regularly updated with new features and > enhancements. For more information regarding third party apps go to > https://familysearch.org/products. PAF is no longer available for purchase > on Compact Disc, and although it is still available for download, we > strongly recommend using a third party product as suggested above. > > New.FamilySearch.org > New.FamilySearch.org is a web based family tree that enables people to > share > and work together on common ancestral lines. In April 2013, FamilySearch > introduced FamilySearch Family Tree to replace New.FamilySearch.org. > Several third party products (mentioned above) support > New.FamilySearch.org > integration, and vital data from New.FamilySearch.org will be also then > available in FamilySearch Family Tree. > > Personal genealogy software and FamilySearch Family Tree together Given > that > PAF does not directly integrate with FamilySearch Family Tree, and > New.FamilySearch.org is to be discontinued at a future point, we will be > providing solutions for PAF users to be able to take full advantage of > FamilySearch Family Tree. This solution will be announced as soon as > possible. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna > McNamara > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:29 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard > that. > Donna > > Donna McNamara > Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am just finishing a Richards book and some of the line, of course, are female members of the families. Rather than have the male spouse at the top of the group sheet with a "non-Richards" name, I wanted to have the group sheets uniform and show the Richards name at the top, since those women were the family members I was writing about. I didn't think it was possible, but thought it was worth asking about. Thanks for the suggestions.

I don't think we should be changing genders for individuals. They are male or female in PAF and in Family Tree.  When we change the gender we are apt to fall into the mucky muck. For instance, what if "Leslie" marries "Taylor" -- which one is male and female? Would our changing the gender today help us who know them but cause confusion further down the road? Just tell the program that someone is unknown and the FGR will print correctly. Gender must always be declared before any temple ordinances are cleared and completed. Mary Scott Aurora, Illinois

I do not think it is possible to reverse the order of the Husband and Wife on a family group record in PAF.  At the same time, I do not think it possible to only have the wife and not the husband at the top of a FGR. If the husband is unknown, then the family should just leave that section blank. The program allows us to mark a spouse as unknown. PAF works on the aspect of families. Children are born into a family because of the relationship between a man and a woman. If the husband is not recorded, his section is left blank. So if someone doesn't want the husband recorded, just leave him out of PAF. Mary Scott Aurora, Illinois ________________________________ From: Gay Davis <grdavis@centurytel.net> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 Yesterday I tried getting a technical question asked about PAF by phone and email.  I got a canned email back unresponsive to my question basically saying the church wasn't supporting PAF anymore and suggesting I get another software package.  I finally gave up on the phone, the receptionist didn't seem to recognize the word PAF and I was on hold for too long to continue. Does anyone know if there is a way you can run a family group sheet in PAF and put the wife at the top of the page? Gay Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yesterday I tried getting a technical question asked about PAF by phone and email. I got a canned email back unresponsive to my question basically saying the church wasn't supporting PAF anymore and suggesting I get another software package. I finally gave up on the phone, the receptionist didn't seem to recognize the word PAF and I was on hold for too long to continue. Does anyone know if there is a way you can run a family group sheet in PAF and put the wife at the top of the page? Gay

Given, that many dozens of thousands of Church members still use PAF, teaching PAF makes a lot of sense. New users should probably invest the time in other software, but for the thousands of existing users, don't expect them to change, they won't. I have a paid copy of Roots Magic on my computers, have had it for years, buy a new license every time I need to. But I use PAF, I'll continue to use PAF (And Family Insight), and will till they stop working. If PAF ever does stop working, you'll see a large drop off in family history work... Why? Cause that's the way human minds operate, whether we like it or not. You can not do family history without a personal database program, and PAF is the easiest I've found, and that makes it, essential. Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shanna Jones Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:58 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 Personal genealogy software PAF and other similar records manager apps are valuable to provide individuals with a way to store their pedigree with its associated notes, sources and incidental information. There are no plans to further develop PAF, however there are also free and inexpensive third party applications that can be used as a replacement for PAF. These third party apps are regularly updated with new features and enhancements. For more information regarding third party apps go to https://familysearch.org/products. PAF is no longer available for purchase on Compact Disc, and although it is still available for download, we strongly recommend using a third party product as suggested above. New.FamilySearch.org New.FamilySearch.org is a web based family tree that enables people to share and work together on common ancestral lines. In April 2013, FamilySearch introduced FamilySearch Family Tree to replace New.FamilySearch.org. Several third party products (mentioned above) support New.FamilySearch.org integration, and vital data from New.FamilySearch.org will be also then available in FamilySearch Family Tree. Personal genealogy software and FamilySearch Family Tree together Given that PAF does not directly integrate with FamilySearch Family Tree, and New.FamilySearch.org is to be discontinued at a future point, we will be providing solutions for PAF users to be able to take full advantage of FamilySearch Family Tree. This solution will be announced as soon as possible. -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna McNamara Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:29 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard that. Donna Donna McNamara Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds

Why was she asked to teach it? -- snip -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------- > A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her to? --------------------------------------------------------------------------/

Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard that. Donna Donna McNamara Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Shanna Jones <shannasjones@msn.com> wrote: > Maureen, > Refer her to Knowledge Document 102204 as we are not recommending patrons > download PAF at this time. > Shanna > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Lake > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:34 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she > has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her > to? > > Thanks. > > Maureen > > Sent from my iPhone > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Personal genealogy software PAF and other similar records manager apps are valuable to provide individuals with a way to store their pedigree with its associated notes, sources and incidental information. There are no plans to further develop PAF, however there are also free and inexpensive third party applications that can be used as a replacement for PAF. These third party apps are regularly updated with new features and enhancements. For more information regarding third party apps go to https://familysearch.org/products. PAF is no longer available for purchase on Compact Disc, and although it is still available for download, we strongly recommend using a third party product as suggested above. New.FamilySearch.org New.FamilySearch.org is a web based family tree that enables people to share and work together on common ancestral lines. In April 2013, FamilySearch introduced FamilySearch Family Tree to replace New.FamilySearch.org. Several third party products (mentioned above) support New.FamilySearch.org integration, and vital data from New.FamilySearch.org will be also then available in FamilySearch Family Tree. Personal genealogy software and FamilySearch Family Tree together Given that PAF does not directly integrate with FamilySearch Family Tree, and New.FamilySearch.org is to be discontinued at a future point, we will be providing solutions for PAF users to be able to take full advantage of FamilySearch Family Tree. This solution will be announced as soon as possible. -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna McNamara Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:29 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard that. Donna Donna McNamara Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Shanna Jones <shannasjones@msn.com> wrote: > Maureen, > Refer her to Knowledge Document 102204 as we are not recommending > patrons download PAF at this time. > Shanna > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Lake > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:34 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program > she has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could > send her to? > > Thanks. > > Maureen > > Sent from my iPhone > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See http://paftutorial.byu.edu/ Ann A. On 6/10/2013 4:33 PM, Maureen Lake wrote: > A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her to? > > Thanks. > > Maureen >

I took the class at http://paftutorial.byu.edu/ as listed by Ann Amadori.  I did know PAF but I also learned a few new things.  It is well presented and isn't hard to pick up.  I recommend this class also.  The Sister will be able to help those who have kept their records in PAF and are now trying to use Family Tree.  There are things they want to know about "how do I..." and this class will give some insight.  Evelyn K >________________________________ > From: Ann Amadori <amadori33@verizon.net> >To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:44 PM >Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > >See http://paftutorial.byu.edu/ > >Ann A. > >On 6/10/2013 4:33 PM, Maureen Lake wrote: >> A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she has never used.  Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her to? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Maureen >> > >Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Maureen, Refer her to Knowledge Document 102204 as we are not recommending patrons download PAF at this time. Shanna -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Lake Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:34 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her to? Thanks. Maureen Sent from my iPhone Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Honestly, we don't know. The gentleman who sets up the classes is out if town. We think it may be to try and force some of the staff to learn new things... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > Why was she asked to teach it? > > -- snip -- > > /---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her to? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------/ > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her to? Thanks. Maureen Sent from my iPhone

Karen that is correct. There is a letter out on that. Harry L. I am not a REPUBLICAN / I am not a DEMOCRACTI am not an INDEPENDENT / I AM AN AMERICANAnd I want my country back --- On Sat, 6/8/13, Karen Tippets <sahara346@gmail.com> wrote: From: Karen Tippets <sahara346@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, June 8, 2013, 9:15 PM My understanding is that she can be sealed to both husbands only if she is deceased herself. Karen On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Jean Weber <mjquilts@shaw.ca> wrote: > thank you > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages > > > >A woman is always known by her maiden name in the temple.   You  should > > change and add a note about the reason for the change her second marriage > > to > > her maiden name.  If there are two records, combine them as the same > > person > > so avoid redundancy in her own ordinances.  She can be sealed to  both > > husbands. > > > > Michele > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2013 4:35:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mjquilts@shaw.ca writes: > > > > Hi > > > > Can someone please point me in the correct direction as  to how to input > a > > name for a sister who has been married twice? > > > > This  lady was married once and her husband died. When she remarried she > > used her  married name. That is okay except it shows that she needs her > > temple > > ordinances but they were done before she married her first husband. > > > > Can  you please point me in the direction of a knowledge document as to > > whether I  should include her maiden name with the second husband or just > > how > > to handle  it.. I am recovering from surgery and am still not functioning > > on > > all  thrusters. > > > > Thanks for your help > > Jean > > > > > > Please send the one  word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the  message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one! Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with the ideas not to judge our ancestors. Sometimes we have these horrible feelings about situations. If we do not want to do the ordinances personally because of our own relationships to someone on our family tree, we can submit their information to the general temple file (share feature on Family Tree). Extractions have brought a lot of changes to submissions over the years. Before extractions, we had some strict rules but it Is impossible to "know" the people from extractions. How did we know who was divorced? Which couples had children? Which spouses were faithful or unfaithful? These types of questions were not answered through extractions. We are now able to seal children to their divorced parents (this was not always the case). We can seal deceased women to all their deceased spouses IF we follow the rules of precedence as outlined by the recent guidelines on submission. It doesn't matter if there are children from a marriage or not. We seal couples together without regard to whether they were parents together . We are even able to seal together deceased couples who lived together and/or had children together without a marriage between them. We don't need to worry because it will be taken care of in due time. We simply do the ordinances as they are needed. We were able to seal my husband's grandfather (he had adopted my mother-in-law as a child) to his second wife. She had been sealed in life to her first husband and he had been sealed to his first wife (they divorced). One day we realized that the little arrow of opportunity was flashing green and so we cleared the sealing to spouse ordinance for this grandfather and his second wife. It was a very nice experience at the temple. We will let the Lord figure it out because He is loving and merciful. Mary Scott Aurora, Illinois

This reminded me of an experience I had a few years ago.  My mother's father had a previous marriage that last a short time until she left him for another man.  I found information on this woman but did not feel inclined to do her ordinances because of what she had done do my grandfather.  A dear friend kindly reminded me that it was not my job to judge, but to provide opportunities for my ancestors to receive the blessings of the gospel. It took a few years, but through more research I discovered this woman's parents and was able to get her sealed to her family.   Families Are Forever Carol Riner Everett ________________________________ From: Karen Tippets <sahara346@gmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages As I've understood it, our job is not to judge another person's willingness, righteousness, or whatever when their name comes across our family tree needing Temple work.  Do all applicable work and let the Lord decide who goes where, who's worthy of what, and they will have their personal input as well, based on what they are entitled to after judgement. We may not know or understand the things that made them choose to do as they did in mortality, but the Lord does.  There are people that I may not choose to spend eternity with given what I know/understand about their lives, but I know in my life that sometimes circumstances I find myself in skews my judgement at times and I later decide that another choice might have been a better one.  If I can see that in my own life, I can certainly figure out that a lot of my ancestors probably went through some similar choices.  I'm the first of my family in the Church, and that alone has changed a lot of my choices.  Certainly without the gospel as a guide, people may not always make choices as wisely, and given what I know of history, there are probably many times in ancestral lives that they had to choose between what was actually the lesser of two evils in their view just to survive. Karen On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 1:54 AM, <JCBrooks@aol.com> wrote: > The general rule is:  seal children to their natural parents and seal  a > woman or a man to all husbands/wives after they are deceased.    Basically > it > puts in place all possible scenarios.  Everyone gets sealing  blessings. > The Lord and the individuals decide, with full information  which we do not > have on earth, who will ultimately go with who.  No sealing  is permanent > without that ratification by the Holy Spirit of Promise. > > I believe that the ordinance of sealing children to parents is not totally > understood.  Clearly, we are not eternally children in parental homes if we >  are married and having families as adults.  Rather, it must pertain to a > linking of generations and a right to relationships in some manner as well > as  identification as a child/person of the covenant. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2013 11:01:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > donbjc@comcast.net writes: > > I was  told that a woman can be sealed to two husbands if she has children > with both.  As in my case my mother and father were sealed after death, but > before death  they were divorced and she was sealed to another man that she > had 2 children  with. I was given a name of my grand uncles wife, by Family > Search to do the  work, but in researching I found the name they had her > under was her married  name with her first husband and they had 3 > children, and > she had no children  with my grand uncle, also in the research I found her > maiden name, her parents  and found their work and hers was done. The only > thing missing is the sealing  to her husband and children. So I will have > that done, but not seal her to my  grand uncle who has a first wife and > children to be sealed to. > Is that how  others understand the system? > Thanks for any enlightenment, > Betty Jo  Colbert > Citrus Heights Stake, CA > > ----- Original Message  ----- > From: "Karen Tippets" <sahara346@gmail.com> > To:  lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:15:36 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages > > My understanding is that  she can be sealed to both husbands only if she is > deceased herself. > > Karen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or  UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the  message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one! Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As I've understood it, our job is not to judge another person's willingness, righteousness, or whatever when their name comes across our family tree needing Temple work. Do all applicable work and let the Lord decide who goes where, who's worthy of what, and they will have their personal input as well, based on what they are entitled to after judgement. We may not know or understand the things that made them choose to do as they did in mortality, but the Lord does. There are people that I may not choose to spend eternity with given what I know/understand about their lives, but I know in my life that sometimes circumstances I find myself in skews my judgement at times and I later decide that another choice might have been a better one. If I can see that in my own life, I can certainly figure out that a lot of my ancestors probably went through some similar choices. I'm the first of my family in the Church, and that alone has changed a lot of my choices. Certainly without the gospel as a guide, people may not always make choices as wisely, and given what I know of history, there are probably many times in ancestral lives that they had to choose between what was actually the lesser of two evils in their view just to survive. Karen On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 1:54 AM, <JCBrooks@aol.com> wrote: > The general rule is: seal children to their natural parents and seal a > woman or a man to all husbands/wives after they are deceased. Basically > it > puts in place all possible scenarios. Everyone gets sealing blessings. > The Lord and the individuals decide, with full information which we do not > have on earth, who will ultimately go with who. No sealing is permanent > without that ratification by the Holy Spirit of Promise. > > I believe that the ordinance of sealing children to parents is not totally > understood. Clearly, we are not eternally children in parental homes if we > are married and having families as adults. Rather, it must pertain to a > linking of generations and a right to relationships in some manner as well > as identification as a child/person of the covenant. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2013 11:01:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > donbjc@comcast.net writes: > > I was told that a woman can be sealed to two husbands if she has children > with both. As in my case my mother and father were sealed after death, but > before death they were divorced and she was sealed to another man that she > had 2 children with. I was given a name of my grand uncles wife, by Family > Search to do the work, but in researching I found the name they had her > under was her married name with her first husband and they had 3 > children, and > she had no children with my grand uncle, also in the research I found her > maiden name, her parents and found their work and hers was done. The only > thing missing is the sealing to her husband and children. So I will have > that done, but not seal her to my grand uncle who has a first wife and > children to be sealed to. > Is that how others understand the system? > Thanks for any enlightenment, > Betty Jo Colbert > Citrus Heights Stake, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Tippets" <sahara346@gmail.com> > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:15:36 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Second marriages > > My understanding is that she can be sealed to both husbands only if she is > deceased herself. > > Karen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!