Gaylon, thank you for clarifying that. I did not know that. Cathe -----Original Message----- From: Gaylon Findlay Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:46 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FamilyInsight Announcement Directly fromOhana Newsletter Cathe: Let me make one correction to your description below dealing with how Ancestral Quest works with PAF and Family Tree: You said, "It is true that PAF can be used in conjunction with Ancestral Quest by converting PAF Files to AQ files, then searching/merging with Family Tree, then being converted back to a PAF Files." Because AQ can directly work with a PAF file, just as PAF does, you don't need to convert the PAF file to an AQ file before "searching/merging with Family Tree," and you don't need to convert the file back to a PAF file. Just leave the PAF file as it is, and AQ will do the "searching/merging" for records in the PAF file. You don't need to convert back and forth. (You could do these conversions, but it is a lot easier if you don't.) Gaylon Findlay Incline Software ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathe Taylor" <cathetaylor1@comcast.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:14:22 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FamilyInsight Announcement Directly from Ohana Newsletter Michele, FamilyInsight does much more than just interact between PAF and new.familysearch. It will continue to be useful after new.familysearch goes away. I use it for comparing two PAF files and I also like the duplicate combining better than the one in PAF. I believe it works with more than just PAF. There will be many who will be resistant to a learning curve with other programs. There are those who do not feel the need to interact with FamilyTree. PAF will be okay for them to continue using, but others should be encouraged to consider another program. It is true that PAF can be used in conjunction with Ancestral Quest by converting PAF Files to AQ files, then searching/merging with Family Tree, then being converted back to a PAF Files. There are lots of options for people but it is important to find out just what they want in a program and how they plan to use it. I still use PAF as my main file, but do convert back and forth to AQ. I also use FamilyInsight and will probably purchase the new program when it comes out by Ohana to link with Family Tree. It is a good idea to update to newer programs so they all play well together with newer technology. I resist changes if it means I have a big learning curve simply because of the time associated with getting familiar with something new, but in the end I am always glad I did because there are less problems. We will not continue to support PAF nor provide the free download indefinitely at FamilySearch. To answer your question, PAF Insight will not sync with Family Tree but it will continue to perform other tasks with your computer program. Cathe Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia H. Sonneborn Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:03 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilyInsight Announcement Directly from Ohana Newsletter Michele asked: Can anyone else confirm that Family Insight is not going to work? Ohana Software is still selling it. Michele Answer from Ohana's Newsletter: Insights into FamilyInsight: Change is in the Air After careful consideration we have decided that AncestorSync will become our vehicle to work with the FamilySearch Family Tree and FamilyInsight will return to its original purpose as a premier tool for cleanup, file to file comparison and update, and file conversion tool. As collaboration options increase, these two programs will function well together so you can send files that are well maintained. For now, FamilyInsight will continue to work with new FamilySearch as long as new.familysearch.org is viable. However, there are some features that you should not use. When you are in the Full Synchronization mode, do not combine or separate records. If there are multiple possible matches, find the best match, mark it as a Match, mark the others as Not a Match, then synchronize the record. If a record has been incorrectly combined, you can no longer separate from within FamilyInsight as the FamilySearch Family Tree deals with this issue differently. If you try to combine or separate records, you will receive an error message. If you choose to add new information to the record on FamilySearch, take the additional step to verify that the summary information is correct. You can do this using the FamilyInsight View/Change Summary button on the upper right part of the Details window. The summary information is updated to the Family Tree. AncestorSync is still in development and it is not ready for sale yet. We have overcome huge obstacles and we are now focused on perfecting data retention for each file format that we will work with. It is exciting to see the progress but we still have a lot of work to do. Keep reading the newsletter to stay informed about beta testing and release information. Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to providing you with great tools and new products as we move forward. Thank you for using FamilyInsight! 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Cathe: Let me make one correction to your description below dealing with how Ancestral Quest works with PAF and Family Tree: You said, "It is true that PAF can be used in conjunction with Ancestral Quest by converting PAF Files to AQ files, then searching/merging with Family Tree, then being converted back to a PAF Files." Because AQ can directly work with a PAF file, just as PAF does, you don't need to convert the PAF file to an AQ file before "searching/merging with Family Tree," and you don't need to convert the file back to a PAF file. Just leave the PAF file as it is, and AQ will do the "searching/merging" for records in the PAF file. You don't need to convert back and forth. (You could do these conversions, but it is a lot easier if you don't.) Gaylon Findlay Incline Software ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathe Taylor" <cathetaylor1@comcast.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:14:22 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FamilyInsight Announcement Directly from Ohana Newsletter Michele, FamilyInsight does much more than just interact between PAF and new.familysearch. It will continue to be useful after new.familysearch goes away. I use it for comparing two PAF files and I also like the duplicate combining better than the one in PAF. I believe it works with more than just PAF. There will be many who will be resistant to a learning curve with other programs. There are those who do not feel the need to interact with FamilyTree. PAF will be okay for them to continue using, but others should be encouraged to consider another program. It is true that PAF can be used in conjunction with Ancestral Quest by converting PAF Files to AQ files, then searching/merging with Family Tree, then being converted back to a PAF Files. There are lots of options for people but it is important to find out just what they want in a program and how they plan to use it. I still use PAF as my main file, but do convert back and forth to AQ. I also use FamilyInsight and will probably purchase the new program when it comes out by Ohana to link with Family Tree. It is a good idea to update to newer programs so they all play well together with newer technology. I resist changes if it means I have a big learning curve simply because of the time associated with getting familiar with something new, but in the end I am always glad I did because there are less problems. We will not continue to support PAF nor provide the free download indefinitely at FamilySearch. To answer your question, PAF Insight will not sync with Family Tree but it will continue to perform other tasks with your computer program. Cathe Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia H. Sonneborn Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:03 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilyInsight Announcement Directly from Ohana Newsletter Michele asked: Can anyone else confirm that Family Insight is not going to work? Ohana Software is still selling it. Michele Answer from Ohana's Newsletter: Insights into FamilyInsight: Change is in the Air After careful consideration we have decided that AncestorSync will become our vehicle to work with the FamilySearch Family Tree and FamilyInsight will return to its original purpose as a premier tool for cleanup, file to file comparison and update, and file conversion tool. As collaboration options increase, these two programs will function well together so you can send files that are well maintained. For now, FamilyInsight will continue to work with new FamilySearch as long as new.familysearch.org is viable. However, there are some features that you should not use. When you are in the Full Synchronization mode, do not combine or separate records. If there are multiple possible matches, find the best match, mark it as a Match, mark the others as Not a Match, then synchronize the record. If a record has been incorrectly combined, you can no longer separate from within FamilyInsight as the FamilySearch Family Tree deals with this issue differently. If you try to combine or separate records, you will receive an error message. If you choose to add new information to the record on FamilySearch, take the additional step to verify that the summary information is correct. You can do this using the FamilyInsight View/Change Summary button on the upper right part of the Details window. The summary information is updated to the Family Tree. AncestorSync is still in development and it is not ready for sale yet. We have overcome huge obstacles and we are now focused on perfecting data retention for each file format that we will work with. It is exciting to see the progress but we still have a lot of work to do. Keep reading the newsletter to stay informed about beta testing and release information. Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to providing you with great tools and new products as we move forward. Thank you for using FamilyInsight! 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Comments please. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: <Support@FamilySearch.org> To: <undisclosed-recipients:> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Separating or Combining Individuals in Family Tree > Dear FamilySearch Patron: > > Thank you for contacting FamilySearch. We appreciate your diligence in > maintaining accurate family history records. You have asked us to correct > information in new FamilySearch or Family Tree. Often, correcting > information in new FamilySearch or Family Tree involves combining or > separating records in new FamilySearch. Currently, combining and > separating records in new FamilySearch causes the records in Family Tree > to reset to what is in new FamilySearch. This has the potential to reverse > any changes made to the records in Family Tree. In order to preserve the > work that you and other patrons have done in Family Tree, we are no longer > separating or combining records in new FamilySearch. > When you find incorrect information in Family Tree, (including multiple > individuals in one record), do one or more of the following: > 1. Correct the incorrect information in Family Tree, including all > genealogical and relationship data. If you need to view the details of the > record, go to new.FamilySearch.org, and display the combined record. > 2. In Family Tree, check the possible duplicates, and merge duplicate > persons. > 3. Indicate persons who are not a match to prevent the records from being > merged incorrectly in the future. > 4. Create a new record for the individual(s) whose information did not > come across from new FamilySearch, linking the new record(s) to the > correct family. > Family Tree is continuously being improved to allow patrons to > independently resolve data inaccuracies and issues in their family > pedigree, part of this improvement is better tools to help us assist > patrons in resolving data challenges they are not able to address > themselves. We are currently waiting for the tools in Family Tree to be > fully developed in order to assist you. We ask for your patience as we > wait for these to be completed and available to our team. We wish you > success in your family history endeavors. > > Sincerely, > FamilySearch > Support@FamilySearch.org > 866-406-1830 >

Steve, Thanks for passing that on. I found that someone had given a person in my line parents that did not belong to him. I contacted the person and sent some documentation regarding the true parents. He promptly responded and said he would "unreserve" his entries. I explained that "unreserving" them would result in the incorrect parents still being attached to the line and asked if he would unlink the incorrect parents. He sent me his name and password and asked me to do it. I was a little surprised, but probably he is not familiar with Family Tree and neither am I. I have dragged my feet working with it, hoping the program would become more stable. Now I need to go in and unlink these "parents" from the family line, so your instructions came at a good time even though they don't specifically address unlinking an individual. I hope one can do that. Thanks for sending them and wish me luck. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Kelsey To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Fw: Separating or Combining Individuals in Family Tree Comments please. Steve Kelsey ----- Original Message ----- From: <Support@FamilySearch.org> To: <undisclosed-recipients:> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Separating or Combining Individuals in Family Tree > Dear FamilySearch Patron: > > Thank you for contacting FamilySearch. We appreciate your diligence in > maintaining accurate family history records. You have asked us to correct > information in new FamilySearch or Family Tree. Often, correcting > information in new FamilySearch or Family Tree involves combining or > separating records in new FamilySearch. Currently, combining and > separating records in new FamilySearch causes the records in Family Tree > to reset to what is in new FamilySearch. This has the potential to reverse > any changes made to the records in Family Tree. In order to preserve the > work that you and other patrons have done in Family Tree, we are no longer > separating or combining records in new FamilySearch. > When you find incorrect information in Family Tree, (including multiple > individuals in one record), do one or more of the following: > 1. Correct the incorrect information in Family Tree, including all > genealogical and relationship data. If you need to view the details of the > record, go to new.FamilySearch.org, and display the combined record. > 2. In Family Tree, check the possible duplicates, and merge duplicate > persons. > 3. Indicate persons who are not a match to prevent the records from being > merged incorrectly in the future. > 4. Create a new record for the individual(s) whose information did not > come across from new FamilySearch, linking the new record(s) to the > correct family. > Family Tree is continuously being improved to allow patrons to > independently resolve data inaccuracies and issues in their family > pedigree, part of this improvement is better tools to help us assist > patrons in resolving data challenges they are not able to address > themselves. We are currently waiting for the tools in Family Tree to be > fully developed in order to assist you. We ask for your patience as we > wait for these to be completed and available to our team. We wish you > success in your family history endeavors. > > Sincerely, > FamilySearch > Support@FamilySearch.org > 866-406-1830 > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michele, FamilyInsight does much more than just interact between PAF and new.familysearch. It will continue to be useful after new.familysearch goes away. I use it for comparing two PAF files and I also like the duplicate combining better than the one in PAF. I believe it works with more than just PAF. There will be many who will be resistant to a learning curve with other programs. There are those who do not feel the need to interact with FamilyTree. PAF will be okay for them to continue using, but others should be encouraged to consider another program. It is true that PAF can be used in conjunction with Ancestral Quest by converting PAF Files to AQ files, then searching/merging with Family Tree, then being converted back to a PAF Files. There are lots of options for people but it is important to find out just what they want in a program and how they plan to use it. I still use PAF as my main file, but do convert back and forth to AQ. I also use FamilyInsight and will probably purchase the new program when it comes out by Ohana to link with Family Tree. It is a good idea to update to newer programs so they all play well together with newer technology. I resist changes if it means I have a big learning curve simply because of the time associated with getting familiar with something new, but in the end I am always glad I did because there are less problems. We will not continue to support PAF nor provide the free download indefinitely at FamilySearch. To answer your question, PAF Insight will not sync with Family Tree but it will continue to perform other tasks with your computer program. Cathe Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia H. Sonneborn Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:03 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] FamilyInsight Announcement Directly from Ohana Newsletter Michele asked: Can anyone else confirm that Family Insight is not going to work? Ohana Software is still selling it. Michele Answer from Ohana's Newsletter: Insights into FamilyInsight: Change is in the Air After careful consideration we have decided that AncestorSync will become our vehicle to work with the FamilySearch Family Tree and FamilyInsight will return to its original purpose as a premier tool for cleanup, file to file comparison and update, and file conversion tool. As collaboration options increase, these two programs will function well together so you can send files that are well maintained. For now, FamilyInsight will continue to work with new FamilySearch as long as new.familysearch.org is viable. However, there are some features that you should not use. When you are in the Full Synchronization mode, do not combine or separate records. If there are multiple possible matches, find the best match, mark it as a Match, mark the others as Not a Match, then synchronize the record. If a record has been incorrectly combined, you can no longer separate from within FamilyInsight as the FamilySearch Family Tree deals with this issue differently. If you try to combine or separate records, you will receive an error message. If you choose to add new information to the record on FamilySearch, take the additional step to verify that the summary information is correct. You can do this using the FamilyInsight View/Change Summary button on the upper right part of the Details window. The summary information is updated to the Family Tree. AncestorSync is still in development and it is not ready for sale yet. We have overcome huge obstacles and we are now focused on perfecting data retention for each file format that we will work with. It is exciting to see the progress but we still have a lot of work to do. Keep reading the newsletter to stay informed about beta testing and release information. Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to providing you with great tools and new products as we move forward. Thank you for using FamilyInsight! Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You NEED to have a program of some kind on your home computer that you can store information about people you have not yet attached to the family tree, people who are still living, or have sensitive information that they would not want revealed about them, or another family member. But you need to be able to access the information yourself. Hence, you need some sort of genealogy program on your home computer. One of the major players I dislike because, although they are a good program, they're always harping at the owners to purchase upgrades. That would drive me nuts, given that I am now retired on a fixed income. Sometimes you don't have enough information to put someone up on the Church site, so don't put it up yet. Keep researching. And what happens when it's down for whatever reason? Karen On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Jorge Todeschini < jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > I agree 100% that everyone needs a home program once they get past the > first 2-3 generations they can (barely) keep in their heads. > > But I also agree with everyone else saying a PAF class should not be > taught -- because the focus of temple work (in my opinion) should be (a) to > research, and (b) to provide ordinances. PAF (I still use it and still love > it) is just ONE way to document research. It is no longer used to provide > ordinances. So why teach PAF instead of a commercial program/software, and > why teach any specific program if that is a matter of personal preference > and not the focus of the Church? > > I could understand one class at the local FHC for users who WANT to use > PAF -- then a class on AQ, then a class on any of the others. > > But Sunday School should be about Church doctrine (if I remember well, the > original question was where to learn about PAF to teach it in Sunday > School) and PAF is not doctrine (as much as I still use it and love it). > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Finding ancestors is like eating potato chips--you can't stop with just one!

I too agree with Renee here.  PAF was my first and only software since its beginning.  Last year after attending the RootsTech Conferene in Salt Lake and visiting a few minutes with Gaylon Findlay; original writer of PAF and more recently his new software Ancestral Quest; I switched to AQ. Their basic version is free and they offer a variety of video presentations.  It has many 'bell & whistles' you will like.  I did purchase the upgrade of AQ and love it!! Third party software is here and as said learning to use the newer ones will be to  our advantage. T hank you Rene e for your informative post!!     Leslie Pierce Royce F/H C onsultant  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Zamora" <harrisena@gmail.com> To: "LDS-Ward-Consultant-ML" <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:14:22 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 I was trying to stay quiet but this comment just upsets me.  Why should the Church waste my tithing money on an old out-dated program. It's not a cinch to just put out an update, it costs money to develop software, even to just update it. The Church owns the program so don't hold your breath that someone else is going to come along and update for them. Our tithing funds are precious and the Church wisely decided that they don't need to put dollars into building free software for members. (It wasn't always free either by the way.) The cost would be huge to make PAF sync with NFS and now FT. That is why they partnered with various third parties to fill this need. The 3rd Party Products that will sync with Family Tree will all have free versions available of their software that fully work with FT. These companies by the way eat that expense because the Church pays them nothing for developing their programs to sync with FT (or earlier NFS). You do also realize that Family Insight already announced that they are not updating their program to work with Family Tree.  By the end of this month Family Insight won't work with New FamilySearch either, because NFS will go into read only status. You have to move on and let PAF die a quiet death. If I had someone trying to get me to teach a PAF class at this point. I would turn around and educate that person as to why that is as useful to the members as teaching DOS computer skills at this point. Anyone that was capable of learning PAF is capable of learning any of the software provided by the 3rd Party Products.  It just boils down to what you are familiar with. I used to be a big time Legacy user and then switched to RootsMagic.  Now when I go back to Legacy I can't remember how the program works.  If you use a product repeatedly it becomes second nature to you. The 3rd Parties even provide tutorials and webinars to help you learn how their programs work. Just visit their websites. D&C 109:7 says...seek learning even by study and also by faith. Let's just apply that principle. Renee Zamora Renee's Genealogy Blog: http://rzamor1.blogspot.com Website: www.harrisena.com Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6fc7.4415961e.3ee7eea0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ditto.   With the millions they are spending on trying to iron  out Family Tree, you'd think a few simple updates to PAF would be a cinch.   I agree with other.  PAF and Family Insight are easy.  I tried another  software and it was cumbersome and extremely time consuming to do simple  tasks. Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree 100% that everyone needs a home program once they get past the first 2-3 generations they can (barely) keep in their heads. But I also agree with everyone else saying a PAF class should not be taught -- because the focus of temple work (in my opinion) should be (a) to research, and (b) to provide ordinances. PAF (I still use it and still love it) is just ONE way to document research. It is no longer used to provide ordinances. So why teach PAF instead of a commercial program/software, and why teach any specific program if that is a matter of personal preference and not the focus of the Church? I could understand one class at the local FHC for users who WANT to use PAF -- then a class on AQ, then a class on any of the others. But Sunday School should be about Church doctrine (if I remember well, the original question was where to learn about PAF to teach it in Sunday School) and PAF is not doctrine (as much as I still use it and love it).

I too have reluctantly given up on PAF 5(Freezing problems with large databases). I LOVE that program. But, I have upgraded to AQ and Rootsmagic and am still figuring out which one I like better. I think many older users prefer PAF for it's simplicity. I did also, but really liked the fact that it was free. Most newer programs have free versions or free trials. I am encouraging all new and old family historians that I work with to upgrade if they haven't already. If upgrading is too difficult for people to come to terms with (and they want to quit)it may be time to introduce younger members of their families to family history research. They will undoubtedly have an easier time of using the new programs since they have grown up with computers. As for the rest of us-we depend on tutorials and the experience of others...Just my 2 cents. Carrie Taylor in VA -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:51:43 -0400 From: "Fred" <unclefvp@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <016001ce66b3$30646cb0$912d4610$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just so I'm being clear on this, I agree with Renee also. My point was/is, I won't switch until I have to. I have the "new" software, I'll use it when I have to. But dozens of thousands of people won't. As in "will not".. I have been working with computers since 1968. I have supported dozens of fortune 500 businesses. I currently support General Electric. Most software users never upgrade anything until they are forced to, and then it's kicking and screaming. Same thing for most companies.. A tiny fraction of LDS consultants are on these forums, a minute fraction of Family History software users are on these forums. We are the ones who will change. We are the ones who are aware of the issues. All I'm saying is that we will leave behind many people when PAF no longer functions. I am NOT saying that is a good thing, I'm saying we taught a generation of people how to do their family history (with PAF), and now technology is taking that away. Many of them will simply stop. I cou! ld give you a thousand examples, but I'm done. The world is what it is, and people as a group act predictably. I think as far as most users are concerned, we are re-creating the tower of Babel here... Maybe 5% of users want bells and whistles, 95% want simplicity... Regards, Fred ***************************

IMHO Everyone needs a home program. When you get past a couple of generations and when you start talking cousins, people can't keep it all in their heads. Most people like paper and pencil...especially when you are doing research and creating your families. I Always tell people that once they get started they should consider software. Michele In a message dated 6/11/2013 8:11:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kaybcb@cox.net writes: With the changes that are coming up, no one should be teaching Paf-it should be the familysearch.org's Family Tree program that is being taught. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shanna Jones" <shannasjones@msn.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > Maureen, > Refer her to Knowledge Document 102204 as we are not recommending patrons > download PAF at this time. > Shanna > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Lake > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:34 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she > has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her > to? > > Thanks. > > Maureen > > Sent from my iPhone > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just so I'm being clear on this, I agree with Renee also. My point was/is, I won't switch until I have to. I have the "new" software, I'll use it when I have to. But dozens of thousands of people won't. As in "will not".. I have been working with computers since 1968. I have supported dozens of fortune 500 businesses. I currently support General Electric. Most software users never upgrade anything until they are forced to, and then it's kicking and screaming. Same thing for most companies.. A tiny fraction of LDS consultants are on these forums, a minute fraction of Family History software users are on these forums. We are the ones who will change. We are the ones who are aware of the issues. All I'm saying is that we will leave behind many people when PAF no longer functions. I am NOT saying that is a good thing, I'm saying we taught a generation of people how to do their family history (with PAF), and now technology is taking that away. Many of them will simply stop. I cou! ld give you a thousand examples, but I'm done. The world is what it is, and people as a group act predictably. I think as far as most users are concerned, we are re-creating the tower of Babel here... Maybe 5% of users want bells and whistles, 95% want simplicity... Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of texasroseroyce@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:06 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 I too agree with Renee here. PAF was my first and only software since its beginning. Last year after attending the RootsTech Conferene in Salt Lake and visiting a few minutes with Gaylon Findlay; original writer of PAF and more recently his new software Ancestral Quest; I switched to AQ. Their basic version is free and they offer a variety of video presentations. It has many 'bell & whistles' you will like. I did purchase the upgrade of AQ and love it!! Third party software is here and as said learning to use the newer ones will be to our advantage. T hank you Rene e for your informative post!! Leslie Pierce Royce

Paf will not be updated. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > Ditto. With the millions they are spending on trying to iron out Family > Tree, you'd think a few simple updates to PAF would be a cinch. I agree > with other. PAF and Family Insight are easy. I tried another software > and > it was cumbersome and extremely time consuming to do simple tasks. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/10/2013 8:04:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sjkelsey@msn.com writes: > > I agree with Fred and would hope that sooner or later someone would begin > to > upgrade PAF, even a simple upgrade such as putting in all the new temple > abbreviations. Having invested a lot of time using PAF5 > and with lots of experience it still seems a great program to me. I have > used some of the others but I never really like them as much as I do PAF. > Steve Kelsey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred" <unclefvp@verizon.net> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > >> Given, that many dozens of thousands of Church members still use PAF, >> teaching PAF makes a lot of sense. New users should probably invest the >> time >> in other software, but for the thousands of existing users, don't expect >> them to change, they won't. I have a paid copy of Roots Magic on my >> computers, have had it for years, buy a new license every time I need > to. >> But I use PAF, I'll continue to use PAF (And Family Insight), and will >> till >> they stop working. If PAF ever does stop working, you'll see a large >> drop >> off in family history work... Why? Cause that's the way human minds >> operate, >> whether we like it or not. You can not do family history without a >> personal >> database program, and PAF is the easiest I've found, and that makes it, >> essential. >> >> Regards, Fred >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shanna >> Jones >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:58 PM >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 >> >> Personal genealogy software >> PAF and other similar records manager apps are valuable to provide >> individuals with a way to store their pedigree with its associated >> notes, >> sources and incidental information. >> >> There are no plans to further develop PAF, however there are also free > and >> inexpensive third party applications that can be used as a replacement > for >> PAF. These third party apps are regularly updated with new features and >> enhancements. For more information regarding third party apps go to >> https://familysearch.org/products. PAF is no longer available for > purchase >> on Compact Disc, and although it is still available for download, we >> strongly recommend using a third party product as suggested above. >> >> New.FamilySearch.org >> New.FamilySearch.org is a web based family tree that enables people to >> share >> and work together on common ancestral lines. In April 2013, >> FamilySearch >> introduced FamilySearch Family Tree to replace New.FamilySearch.org. >> Several third party products (mentioned above) support >> New.FamilySearch.org >> integration, and vital data from New.FamilySearch.org will be also then >> available in FamilySearch Family Tree. >> >> Personal genealogy software and FamilySearch Family Tree together Given >> that >> PAF does not directly integrate with FamilySearch Family Tree, and >> New.FamilySearch.org is to be discontinued at a future point, we will >> be >> providing solutions for PAF users to be able to take full advantage of >> FamilySearch Family Tree. This solution will be announced as soon as >> possible. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna >> McNamara >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:29 PM >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 >> >> Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard >> that. >> Donna >> >> Donna McNamara >> Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With the changes that are coming up, no one should be teaching Paf-it should be the familysearch.org's Family Tree program that is being taught. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shanna Jones" <shannasjones@msn.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > Maureen, > Refer her to Knowledge Document 102204 as we are not recommending patrons > download PAF at this time. > Shanna > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen > Lake > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:34 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > A sister at our FHC has been asked to teach a class on PAF5, a program she > has never used. Can anyone suggest a tutorial or paper I could send her > to? > > Thanks. > > Maureen > > Sent from my iPhone > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michele asked: Can anyone else confirm that Family Insight is not going to work? Ohana Software is still selling it. Michele Answer from Ohana's Newsletter: Insights into FamilyInsight: Change is in the Air After careful consideration we have decided that AncestorSync will become our vehicle to work with the FamilySearch Family Tree and FamilyInsight will return to its original purpose as a premier tool for cleanup, file to file comparison and update, and file conversion tool. As collaboration options increase, these two programs will function well together so you can send files that are well maintained. For now, FamilyInsight will continue to work with new FamilySearch as long as new.familysearch.org is viable. However, there are some features that you should not use. When you are in the Full Synchronization mode, do not combine or separate records. If there are multiple possible matches, find the best match, mark it as a Match, mark the others as Not a Match, then synchronize the record. If a record has been incorrectly combined, you can no longer separate from within FamilyInsight as the FamilySearch Family Tree deals with this issue differently. If you try to combine or separate records, you will receive an error message. If you choose to add new information to the record on FamilySearch, take the additional step to verify that the summary information is correct. You can do this using the FamilyInsight View/Change Summary button on the upper right part of the Details window. The summary information is updated to the Family Tree. AncestorSync is still in development and it is not ready for sale yet. We have overcome huge obstacles and we are now focused on perfecting data retention for each file format that we will work with. It is exciting to see the progress but we still have a lot of work to do. Keep reading the newsletter to stay informed about beta testing and release information. Thank you for your continued support. We look forward to providing you with great tools and new products as we move forward. Thank you for using FamilyInsight!

Can anyone else confirm that Family Insight is not going to work? Ohana Software is still selling it. Michele In a message dated 6/10/2013 10:17:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, harrisena@gmail.com writes: I was trying to stay quiet but this comment just upsets me. Why should the Church waste my tithing money on an old out-dated program. It's not a cinch to just put out an update, it costs money to develop software, even to just update it. The Church owns the program so don't hold your breath that someone else is going to come along and update for them. Our tithing funds are precious and the Church wisely decided that they don't need to put dollars into building free software for members. (It wasn't always free either by the way.) The cost would be huge to make PAF sync with NFS and now FT. That is why they partnered with various third parties to fill this need. The 3rd Party Products that will sync with Family Tree will all have free versions available of their software that fully work with FT. These companies by the way eat that expense because the Church pays them nothing for developing their programs to sync with FT (or earlier NFS). You do also realize that Family Insight already announced that they are not updating their program to work with Family Tree. By the end of this month Family Insight won't work with New FamilySearch either, because NFS will go into read only status. You have to move on and let PAF die a quiet death. If I had someone trying to get me to teach a PAF class at this point. I would turn around and educate that person as to why that is as useful to the members as teaching DOS computer skills at this point. Anyone that was capable of learning PAF is capable of learning any of the software provided by the 3rd Party Products. It just boils down to what you are familiar with. I used to be a big time Legacy user and then switched to RootsMagic. Now when I go back to Legacy I can't remember how the program works. If you use a product repeatedly it becomes second nature to you. The 3rd Parties even provide tutorials and webinars to help you learn how their programs work. Just visit their websites. D&C 109:7 says...seek learning even by study and also by faith. Let's just apply that principle. Renee Zamora Renee's Genealogy Blog: http://rzamor1.blogspot.com Website: www.harrisena.com Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6fc7.4415961e.3ee7eea0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ditto. With the millions they are spending on trying to iron out Family Tree, you'd think a few simple updates to PAF would be a cinch. I agree with other. PAF and Family Insight are easy. I tried another software and it was cumbersome and extremely time consuming to do simple tasks. Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm kind of curious as to the reason for printing the wife at the top of the family group record. At one point, I was compiling a book of FGRs for a particular surname and found that it would have been helpful had I been able to print the wife at the top because she was the member of that family with the surname for that book and it would have made things a little easier to sort. So, for example, in my HERRING book, I would have been able to see at the top of a series of FGRs: Benjamin Herring, Claude Herring, Ethel Herring, Frank Herring, etc. instead of Benjamin Herring, Claude Herring, Paul Waters, Frank Herring, etc. Just saying there could be a reason besides the father being unknown for such a request. :) -Terri J. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Mary S. Scott (Illinois) < mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: > I do not think it is possible to reverse the order of the Husband and Wife > on a family group record in PAF. At the same time, I do not think it > possible to only have the wife and not the husband at the top of a FGR. > > If the husband is unknown, then the family should just leave that section > blank. The program allows us to mark a spouse as unknown. > > PAF works on the aspect of families. Children are born into a family > because of the relationship between a man and a woman. > > If the husband is not recorded, his section is left blank. > > So if someone doesn't want the husband recorded, just leave him out of PAF. > > Mary Scott > Aurora, Illinois > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gay Davis <grdavis@centurytel.net> > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:23 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > > Yesterday I tried getting a technical question asked about PAF by phone > and email. I got a canned email back unresponsive to my question basically > saying the church wasn't supporting PAF anymore and suggesting I get > another software package. I finally gave up on the phone, the receptionist > didn't seem to recognize the word PAF and I was on hold for too long to > continue. > > Does anyone know if there is a way you can run a family group sheet in PAF > and put the wife at the top of the page? > > Gay > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Change her gender :-) And his. Or if it's just a mother without a husband, sometimes I just put a dot/period in the male field. It doesn't show much but satisfies the system. Woman is second but you can print the sheet. Michele In a message dated 6/10/2013 8:25:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grdavis@centurytel.net writes: Yesterday I tried getting a technical question asked about PAF by phone and email. I got a canned email back unresponsive to my question basically saying the church wasn't supporting PAF anymore and suggesting I get another software package. I finally gave up on the phone, the receptionist didn't seem to recognize the word PAF and I was on hold for too long to continue. Does anyone know if there is a way you can run a family group sheet in PAF and put the wife at the top of the page? Gay Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

quick clarification on this one. Programmers of Ancestral Quest developed PAF and gave to Church. Eventually as the internet grew and developed, the Church opted not to pursue it any further in light of many different softwares out there and concentrate on what the Church need to do more than anything, the development of the Family Tree along with the Record Collections. The PAF is very basic and does not have any temple codes since 2000 (How many since then? Draper, OQ aren't in the PAF.) David Samuelsen On 6/10/2013 11:14 PM, Renee Zamora wrote: > I was trying to stay quiet but this comment just upsets me. Why should the > Church waste my tithing money on an old out-dated program. It's not a cinch > to just put out an update, it costs money to develop software, even to just > update it. The Church owns the program so don't hold your breath that > someone else is going to come along and update for them.

You can already do what is mentioned below with the free version of Ancestral Quest. AQ is really the upgrade to PAF, made by the same company. And you can do much more with AQ, including synchronizing data with new.familysearch.org. The connection to Family Tree will be coming in the next few months. I am finding it very helpful to set the summaries for my part of the tree at new.familysearch.org using AQ. There is a lot of hidden data there that I can see and bring up to the summary using AQ. You can even use your old PAF file in AQ to sync data and go back to PAF any time you want. One word of caution: If you add sources using AQ then go back to PAF you will have errors because PAF cannot handle sources like AQ does. I used my PAF file in AQ for a while and when I was comfortable with AQ converted to the AQ version. There is not as much in the way of training videos online at http://www.ancquest.com/InclineSoftware.htm as the other products. There is blog called AQ Will Do at http://aqwilldo.wordpress.com/ that I have found helpful. I would prefer to focus teaching efforts on this or one of the other newer products like RootsMagic or Legacy Family Tree that can "talk" to new.familysearch or Family Tree. Ann A. On 6/10/2013 11:01 PM, Steve Kelsey wrote: > I agree with Fred and would hope that sooner or later someone would begin to > upgrade PAF, even a simple upgrade such as putting in all the new temple > abbreviations. Having invested a lot of time using PAF5 > and with lots of experience it still seems a great program to me. I have > used some of the others but I never really like them as much as I do PAF. > Steve Kelsey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred" <unclefvp@verizon.net> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 > > >> Given, that many dozens of thousands of Church members still use PAF, >> teaching PAF makes a lot of sense. New users should probably invest the >> time >> in other software, but for the thousands of existing users, don't expect >> them to change, they won't. I have a paid copy of Roots Magic on my >> computers, have had it for years, buy a new license every time I need to. >> But I use PAF, I'll continue to use PAF (And Family Insight), and will >> till >> they stop working. If PAF ever does stop working, you'll see a large drop >> off in family history work... Why? Cause that's the way human minds >> operate, >> whether we like it or not. You can not do family history without a >> personal >> database program, and PAF is the easiest I've found, and that makes it, >> essential. >> >> Regards, Fred >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shanna >> Jones >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:58 PM >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 >> >> Personal genealogy software >> PAF and other similar records manager apps are valuable to provide >> individuals with a way to store their pedigree with its associated notes, >> sources and incidental information. >> >> There are no plans to further develop PAF, however there are also free and >> inexpensive third party applications that can be used as a replacement for >> PAF. These third party apps are regularly updated with new features and >> enhancements. For more information regarding third party apps go to >> https://familysearch.org/products. PAF is no longer available for purchase >> on Compact Disc, and although it is still available for download, we >> strongly recommend using a third party product as suggested above. >> >> New.FamilySearch.org >> New.FamilySearch.org is a web based family tree that enables people to >> share >> and work together on common ancestral lines. In April 2013, FamilySearch >> introduced FamilySearch Family Tree to replace New.FamilySearch.org. >> Several third party products (mentioned above) support >> New.FamilySearch.org >> integration, and vital data from New.FamilySearch.org will be also then >> available in FamilySearch Family Tree. >> >> Personal genealogy software and FamilySearch Family Tree together Given >> that >> PAF does not directly integrate with FamilySearch Family Tree, and >> New.FamilySearch.org is to be discontinued at a future point, we will be >> providing solutions for PAF users to be able to take full advantage of >> FamilySearch Family Tree. This solution will be announced as soon as >> possible. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna >> McNamara >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:29 PM >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 >> >> Why are we not recommending PAF downloads at this time. I haven't heard >> that. >> Donna >> >> Donna McNamara >> Grandchildren, Genealogy, and German Shepherds >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was trying to stay quiet but this comment just upsets me. Why should the Church waste my tithing money on an old out-dated program. It's not a cinch to just put out an update, it costs money to develop software, even to just update it. The Church owns the program so don't hold your breath that someone else is going to come along and update for them. Our tithing funds are precious and the Church wisely decided that they don't need to put dollars into building free software for members. (It wasn't always free either by the way.) The cost would be huge to make PAF sync with NFS and now FT. That is why they partnered with various third parties to fill this need. The 3rd Party Products that will sync with Family Tree will all have free versions available of their software that fully work with FT. These companies by the way eat that expense because the Church pays them nothing for developing their programs to sync with FT (or earlier NFS). You do also realize that Family Insight already announced that they are not updating their program to work with Family Tree. By the end of this month Family Insight won't work with New FamilySearch either, because NFS will go into read only status. You have to move on and let PAF die a quiet death. If I had someone trying to get me to teach a PAF class at this point. I would turn around and educate that person as to why that is as useful to the members as teaching DOS computer skills at this point. Anyone that was capable of learning PAF is capable of learning any of the software provided by the 3rd Party Products. It just boils down to what you are familiar with. I used to be a big time Legacy user and then switched to RootsMagic. Now when I go back to Legacy I can't remember how the program works. If you use a product repeatedly it becomes second nature to you. The 3rd Parties even provide tutorials and webinars to help you learn how their programs work. Just visit their websites. D&C 109:7 says...seek learning even by study and also by faith. Let's just apply that principle. Renee Zamora Renee's Genealogy Blog: http://rzamor1.blogspot.com Website: www.harrisena.com Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] PAF 5 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6fc7.4415961e.3ee7eea0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ditto. With the millions they are spending on trying to iron out Family Tree, you'd think a few simple updates to PAF would be a cinch. I agree with other. PAF and Family Insight are easy. I tried another software and it was cumbersome and extremely time consuming to do simple tasks. Michele