David wrote: you answered your own question in your reply to Ray Friess. Actually, I didn't. I was pointing out that if the roll-out was to be completed by July/August 2009, there would be no need for the issues that we are dealing with for our family history teaching from September to December 2009. We had a full discussion with FamilySearch folks from Salt Lake, and we were not told that the roll-out would be completed before the semester starts. As you might imagine, it's very difficult to teach a group of students when some have access to NFS and others do not. We have been creating double assignments for awhile, depending on what the students have had access to. It has been a pain, but we are working with it. I'm not complaining, it's just a logistical issue for us. This is much different from teaching a ward where everyone has the same tools--regardless of what those tools are. David wrote: Each Temple district is brought into the system one a a time or 2. At this point, Utah and Idaho are being rolled out by stake, not temple district. It will be interesting to see how fast this process is completed. Personally, I'm not counting on anything this summer. It will be nice if it happens, but if not, we move forward anyway. "Come what may, and love it!" Jill Crandell

In sum, you can magnify your calling without overstepping your priesthood leaders. It is not good to be commanded in all things anyway. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:38 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > The thread's emphasis on priesthood leaders struck a true chord for me. If > you are interested in some of my thoughts and ideas, please read on. > Otherwise, feel free to delete this email. ... > > While we cannot overstep our priesthood leaders, we can do something that > might help our wards and stakes in a positive way. > > For instance, we can bear our testimonies of family history and temple > work -- not only in Fast & Testimony meetings but in our classes. We can > comment positively about the Spirit of Elijah and the powerful influence > it has been in our lives. > > We do not need an official calling to be involved in this work -- we are > already called to support the three-fold mission of the Church because we > are a covenant people. We need to help others recognize that ALL roads > lead to the temple and that we are on the Lord's errand. > > We can often tie in our comments about family history and temple work into > the assignments we are given for sacrament meeting talks. (Our ward had > wonderful talks about the plan of salvation yesterday but little mention > of how redeeming the dead fits into that great plan of joyful redemption.) > > We can support our priesthood leaders and attend ward & stake temple trips > as frequently as possible. We can invite others to go with us to the > temple -- so they don't have to go alone or drive alone. At first we might > not have many members accepting these invitations but one day we might be > surprised. > > We can use New FamilySearch for our own families and share our feelings > and results with our families and our ward members. > > We might want to add inspirational quotes to our ward bulletins or publish > a ward newsletter. > > We can send encouraging emails to ward members listing something that we > know might interest them -- a specific website link that we know pertains > to their own ancestry for example. We can share with them that we found > information for our own families and teach them how to do it too. > > We can offer to help the members of the PEC (and their spouses) with their > own family history, teaching them how to use New FamilySearch and helping > them prepare names for temple ordinances. > > Most of all, we can fast and pray that our priesthood leaders feel the > Spirit of Elijah in their own lives and gain testimonies for themselves. > We can show our love for them and teach them through our personal examples > and/or efforts. > > There are a lot of ways to support our priesthood leaders in our stakes > and wards. We serve under their stewardship but we can love and support > them in so many ways so that they see how family history and temple work > will bless their lives and the lives of the members in the ward/stake. > > I believe the worse thing that family history consultants do is wait and > do nothing. There are ways that we can move the work along without > imposing guilt, attacking our stewardship leaders, or things of such ilk. > > We can catch the vision of the work for ourselves and see that our own > families are anxiously engaged in this eternal and noble endeavor. No time > to moan. We need to put our shoulders to the wheel because there is work > enough to do until the sun goes down. :>) > > I am sincerely interested in other ways that our consultants on this list > have found to increase and nurture the Spirit of Elijah in their own lives > and in the lives of their families, as well as their wards/stakes. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When the nFS first came out after 2nd Beta testing, it was for certain missionaries in the FHL and certain 6 districts. Then when the call up was made for next round, I was one included as Family History Consultant for my High Priest group in Nov 2007 and the instructor said to aim for completion by Nov 2008. Then when it approached, it was delayed to January 2009. Then delayed again to August 2009/September 2009. Reasons for delays? Bugs and loads on servers. David Samuelsen

FHL don't have that for sure! I use FHL every day. David Samuelsen Jill N. Crandell wrote: > Paula and others interested, > > > > The book scanner at the BYU Family History Library is the BookDrive DIY made > by Atiz. If you want to see what it looks like, go to http://atiz.com > <http://atiz.com/> . The nickname everyone here has given the machine is > the "taco stand." If you look at the pictures, you'll probably understand > why. :-) This machine can be used free of charge. I asked around, and > apparently the FHL and Church Archives do not have anything like this. > > > > Hope this is helpful, > > Jill Crandell > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

you answered your own question in your reply to Ray Friess. David Samuelsen Jill N. Crandell wrote: > David wrote: > The rollout should be completed - August/September, providing there's no > snafus, bugs or glitches. > > David, > Did you get this from an "official" source? I'm wondering, because some > things that were mentioned in my faculty meeting at BYU last week would not > support this deadline, and we were meeting with FamilySearch people from > Salt Lake. If this were the case, we would not need to make the arrangements > that are being made for our family history classes this fall. > > Jill Crandell > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Helle Thor Hirschmann wrote: > I am very happy to have nFS in our area - but the obstacles I encounter are > VERY basic - like members being "scared of"/"shy about" family history and > computers. I see same thing in my ward. > > > I end up sitting with one sister getting her registered on nFS - teaching a > brother on how to seek out a church record on the computer and getting it > running on his computer at home. > > Some are self reliant in family history like maybe 10 - 15 persons out of > our ward. > > > > I have had visions of glorious steps forward for our members entering nFS > ------ :-) > > I have found that getting the single members registered on nFS and THEN > teaching the basics in nFS and in record seeking is the best solution for > us. Sometimes I come across someone eager and willing - though they are few > and far in between. > > There is nothing wrong in wanting to step forward in a major way - but > finding the step on the ladder where the member is far MORE IMPORTANT than > being on nFS or not. > > > > And knowing WHEN nFS roll-out is universal can also become an issue on its > own. If it was all at once. the system will crash so it has to be gradual. Be glad it was because the first stage was good for first 6 districts, then the very next stage, there was widespread breakdown in Orlando Temple district. You won't believe the flak the hq got from that district. Right now the only areas not open to general LDS public is Utah and Idaho as well as the Far East countries. David Samuelsen > Kind greetings > > > > Helle > > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.0.386) > Databaseversion: 5.12020 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Don Anderson, the head honcho of the FamilySearch Department. and repeated announcements, gearing toward complete rollout by that date. So far no bugs. Each Temple district is brought into the system one a a time or 2. David Samuelsen Helle Thor Hirschmann wrote: > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Jill N. > Crandell > Sendt: 24. marts 2009 01:26 > Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > > David wrote: > The rollout should be completed - August/September, providing there's no > snafus, bugs or glitches. > > David, > Did you get this from an "official" source? I'm wondering, because some > things that were mentioned in my faculty meeting at BYU last week would not > support this deadline, and we were meeting with FamilySearch people from > Salt Lake. If this were the case, we would not need to make the arrangements > that are being made for our family history classes this fall. > > Jill Crandell > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.0.386) > Databaseversion: 5.12020 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.0.386) > Databaseversion: 5.12020 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I'm not sure that our ward has had a third geared that direction either. But we are getting a lot of preparedness talks... Karen In a message dated 3/23/2009 4:37:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: Ray wrote: A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. Ray, I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as it occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, they also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if the people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed their target date. You have indicated that you think participation in family history work among Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity and learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite plus, but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and commitment. When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I was going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have New FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of participation is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use our time. These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives them the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more on testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to speak in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any of you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! :-) Just some thoughts, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

In trying to teach, one cannot go ahead of your local and stake priesthood leaders. In other words, you need to get their cooperation and approval for any type of teaching event that you want to plan for your ward and stake. Remember the many times when the prophet has been ill that his counselors have stated that they would do nothing to step ahead of the prophet because he is the file leader or priesthood leader. The same applies on the stake and ward level. You cannot initiate teaching opportunities in the ward or stake without their go ahead and approval. You can talk to ward and stake members on a one to one basis if approached or you approach them, but you cannot go in to the bishop or stake president and just announce "I want to see a fireside or class set up and an emphasis put on family history in sacrament meeting talks" can you? Especially on the stake level. You can't as a family history missionary just walk into another ward's bishop's office and say, "I'm a missionary and here's what needs to be done." You can explain your activities as a missionary and you can make suggestions, but if there's no enthusiasm you can't just take the lead and go for it. I don't think so. So, if there is no enthusiasm among priesthood leaders and their philosophy is "when that someday arrives we'll start working on it" how are you supposed to teach your heart out? You certainly can't go door to door tracting. > From: jncrandell@broadweave.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:36:33 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > > Ray wrote: > A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. > > Ray, > I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be > announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as it > occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing > them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, they > also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on > what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very > biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to > roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is > given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if the > people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed their > target date. > > You have indicated that you think participation in family history work among > Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your > area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be > curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity and > learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant > increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I > want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the > level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be > occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite plus, > but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. > Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and > commitment. > > When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I was > going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the > money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and > waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have New > FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current > online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation > in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of participation > is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not > been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the > commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the > testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use > our time. > > These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord > sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out > schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, > and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The > "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives them > the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would > suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more on > testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe > you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to speak > in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a > particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing > and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any of > you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament > meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! :-) > > Just some thoughts, > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The thread's emphasis on priesthood leaders struck a true chord for me. If you are interested in some of my thoughts and ideas, please read on. Otherwise, feel free to delete this email. ... While we cannot overstep our priesthood leaders, we can do something that might help our wards and stakes in a positive way. For instance, we can bear our testimonies of family history and temple work -- not only in Fast & Testimony meetings but in our classes. We can comment positively about the Spirit of Elijah and the powerful influence it has been in our lives. We do not need an official calling to be involved in this work -- we are already called to support the three-fold mission of the Church because we are a covenant people. We need to help others recognize that ALL roads lead to the temple and that we are on the Lord's errand. We can often tie in our comments about family history and temple work into the assignments we are given for sacrament meeting talks. (Our ward had wonderful talks about the plan of salvation yesterday but little mention of how redeeming the dead fits into that great plan of joyful redemption.) We can support our priesthood leaders and attend ward & stake temple trips as frequently as possible. We can invite others to go with us to the temple -- so they don't have to go alone or drive alone. At first we might not have many members accepting these invitations but one day we might be surprised. We can use New FamilySearch for our own families and share our feelings and results with our families and our ward members. We might want to add inspirational quotes to our ward bulletins or publish a ward newsletter. We can send encouraging emails to ward members listing something that we know might interest them -- a specific website link that we know pertains to their own ancestry for example. We can share with them that we found information for our own families and teach them how to do it too. We can offer to help the members of the PEC (and their spouses) with their own family history, teaching them how to use New FamilySearch and helping them prepare names for temple ordinances. Most of all, we can fast and pray that our priesthood leaders feel the Spirit of Elijah in their own lives and gain testimonies for themselves. We can show our love for them and teach them through our personal examples and/or efforts. There are a lot of ways to support our priesthood leaders in our stakes and wards. We serve under their stewardship but we can love and support them in so many ways so that they see how family history and temple work will bless their lives and the lives of the members in the ward/stake. I believe the worse thing that family history consultants do is wait and do nothing. There are ways that we can move the work along without imposing guilt, attacking our stewardship leaders, or things of such ilk. We can catch the vision of the work for ourselves and see that our own families are anxiously engaged in this eternal and noble endeavor. No time to moan. We need to put our shoulders to the wheel because there is work enough to do until the sun goes down. :>) I am sincerely interested in other ways that our consultants on this list have found to increase and nurture the Spirit of Elijah in their own lives and in the lives of their families, as well as their wards/stakes. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake

Ray wrote: I think you're misunderstanding me. I dont mean to imply that a hard deadline should be announced. I guess maybe what I should call it is a "flexible deadline" with updates when there are problems and explanations of what the delays are caused by. Simple explanations, not complex ones. ===The general deadlines have been given, but maybe you didn't hear about those. Generally, we have heard that the Wasatch Front will have NFS by the end of 2009, assuming that the schedule doesn't slip again. If that helps, use that estimate. However, you need to be aware that the schedule could easily slip again. Like I said, this area is going to challenge the system more than it has been challenged yet. Ray wrote: I've had LOTS of people who havent started their family history tell me just that. They hear that something better is coming and will make things easier, and they say "Let me know when that arrives. I'll start then." ===This is where we need to teach our hearts out! The tools will never be the "answer." Our ancestors have waited long enough, and the millennium isn't going to come until we do our part. We need to use the tools we have today, then learn the next ones that come out, and keep moving. If anyone thinks that NFS is the final tool, they are sadly mistaken. We already know that Family Tree is coming next, and there is far more in the "vision" area than what has been put into programming. Our members need to learn how to learn about the tools, so that nothing stops them along the way. We must be determined and diligent. Ray wrote: Not to sound crude ... but it's kind of like the world being told the Second Coming is going to happen, but of course we don't know when, not even the angels in heaven know. You know how much attention is paid to getting ready for that day. ===And I would NOT recommend putting off that preparation either! Anyone heard of the five virgins who ran out of oil???? :-) Jill Crandell

Again ... please dont misinterpret my comments as complaints or criticism of the brethren or anyone. I mean them as observations only. Things I have seen and heard as a consultant and family history missionary. The biggest problem is the lack of information. We can teach them the doctrine and get them enthused, but when priesthood leaders and members only hear "someday it will be here" then we get comments that I've mentioned before. Comments like "Many things on the stake's plate. Let me know when it arrives and we'll start worrying about it then." Or from members "I'll get started when it comes." Just being able to explain that "someday" is planned for two, three or four months from now, or "someday is pushed back by a month or two" helps generate interest and enthusiasm. Not to sound crude ... but it's kind of like the world being told the Second Coming is going to happen, but of course we don't know when, not even the angels in heaven know. You know how much attention is paid to getting ready for that day. > From: msgen@earthlink.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:03:27 -0700 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > > Amen, Jill. FYI - In the short time our district has had nFS, we have seen > an increase in the number of patrons bringing in small lists of names to get > started with their family's genealogy and Temple work. So that's good that > more people are getting involved - hopefully they will gain a testimony of > the work AND we will see an increase in Temple attendance. (Our Temple has > less patrons now than when we opened 19 years ago and Las Vegas has grown > tremendously.) The interesting thing is that the patrons who regularly > brought in disk after disk after disk of names seem to have disappeared. I > hope the "new" technology hasn't scared them away, but one sister, before > the change over, told me she dreaded not having Templeready. It's the > familiar ... I started out with PAF 2.31, then 3.0, then I hated 4.0 and > never installed it, now I have 5.2. I love nFS, but I haven't even tried > one of the add-on like FamilyInsight (and I loved PAFInsight) because I > haven't had the time to teach myself how to use it. > > Megan Smith > Las Vegas, NV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > > > > Ray wrote: > > A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. > > > > Ray, > > I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be > > announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as > > it > > occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing > > them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, > > they > > also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on > > what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very > > biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to > > roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is > > given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if > > the > > people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed > > their > > target date. > > > > You have indicated that you think participation in family history work > > among > > Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your > > area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be > > curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity > > and > > learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant > > increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I > > want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the > > level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be > > occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite > > plus, > > but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. > > Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and > > commitment. > > > > When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I > > was > > going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the > > money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and > > waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have > > New > > FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current > > online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation > > in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of > > participation > > is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not > > been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the > > commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the > > testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use > > our time. > > > > These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord > > sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out > > schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, > > and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The > > "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives > > them > > the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would > > suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more > > on > > testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe > > you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to > > speak > > in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a > > particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing > > and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any > > of > > you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament > > meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! > > :-) > > > > Just some thoughts, > > Jill Crandell > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jill: I think you're misunderstanding me. I dont mean to imply that a hard deadline should be announced. I guess maybe what I should call it is a "flexible deadline" with updates when there are problems and explanations of what the delays are caused by. Simple explanations, not complex ones. But all that has been said from the inception is "someday" and "we dont know when, but someday". That contributes to the lack of enthusiasm and interest. When I take my car in for service or repair and the mechanic says "I can probably have it by tomorrow afternoon," then I have an idea what I can plan around. Then, if my mechanic calls me and says "I ran into an unexpected problem, so it now looks like the day after tomorrow if all goes well and I can get the part when I expect to," then I'm a bit discouraged, but I'm understanding and still enthusiastic. Now, if my mechanic says, "tomorrow" and then calls and says "OOPS, problems. Don't know when your car will be fixed." I'm going to be REAL discouraged. I may decide to never go back to that place again. Same with NFS. What's been said is, in effect, "OOPS, dont know when, but someday." So, people say, "that's nice. I'll start my family history when you let us know that 'some day' is here." I've had LOTS of people who havent started their family history tell me just that. They hear that something better is coming and will make things easier, and they say "Let me know when that arrives. I'll start then." Ray > From: jncrandell@broadweave.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:36:33 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > > Ray wrote: > A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. > > Ray, > I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be > announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as it > occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing > them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, they > also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on > what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very > biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to > roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is > given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if the > people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed their > target date. > > You have indicated that you think participation in family history work among > Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your > area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be > curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity and > learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant > increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I > want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the > level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be > occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite plus, > but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. > Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and > commitment. > > When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I was > going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the > money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and > waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have New > FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current > online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation > in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of participation > is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not > been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the > commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the > testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use > our time. > > These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord > sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out > schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, > and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The > "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives them > the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would > suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more on > testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe > you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to speak > in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a > particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing > and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any of > you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament > meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! :-) > > Just some thoughts, > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paula and others interested, The book scanner at the BYU Family History Library is the BookDrive DIY made by Atiz. If you want to see what it looks like, go to http://atiz.com <http://atiz.com/> . The nickname everyone here has given the machine is the "taco stand." If you look at the pictures, you'll probably understand why. :-) This machine can be used free of charge. I asked around, and apparently the FHL and Church Archives do not have anything like this. Hope this is helpful, Jill Crandell

Ray wrote: A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. Ray, I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as it occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, they also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if the people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed their target date. You have indicated that you think participation in family history work among Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity and learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite plus, but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and commitment. When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I was going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have New FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of participation is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use our time. These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives them the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more on testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to speak in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any of you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! :-) Just some thoughts, Jill Crandell

My dear  brothers and Sisters its not the tools we have nor the time we spend wishing and talking about what comming. But how well we teach/help each other to use what we have.  The one big mistake I have seen over the years is to many teachers of Fanily History teach it as a dead subject.  These people are not dead, they have just moved on to the next step. We must speak of them as live people and teach Family as a live course. We must bring into the class room stories of experiences of things that will build excitement.   If we do this I promise you, you will have positive results.   Harry in Tucson --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net> wrote: From: Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 3:36 PM Ray wrote: A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. Ray, I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as it occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, they also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if the people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed their target date. You have indicated that you think participation in family history work among Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity and learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite plus, but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and commitment. When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I was going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have New FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of participation is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use our time. These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives them the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more on testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to speak in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any of you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! :-) Just some thoughts, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amen, Jill. FYI - In the short time our district has had nFS, we have seen an increase in the number of patrons bringing in small lists of names to get started with their family's genealogy and Temple work. So that's good that more people are getting involved - hopefully they will gain a testimony of the work AND we will see an increase in Temple attendance. (Our Temple has less patrons now than when we opened 19 years ago and Las Vegas has grown tremendously.) The interesting thing is that the patrons who regularly brought in disk after disk after disk of names seem to have disappeared. I hope the "new" technology hasn't scared them away, but one sister, before the change over, told me she dreaded not having Templeready. It's the familiar ... I started out with PAF 2.31, then 3.0, then I hated 4.0 and never installed it, now I have 5.2. I love nFS, but I haven't even tried one of the add-on like FamilyInsight (and I loved PAFInsight) because I haven't had the time to teach myself how to use it. Megan Smith Las Vegas, NV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > Ray wrote: > A "someday" thing isn't going to get them moving. > > Ray, > I understand your frustration with this, but no deadline is going to be > announced because of the very real issues of dealing with each problem as > it > occurs. They cannot predict the problems--or they would be preventing > them--but they can deal with them when they occur. That being the case, > they > also can't determine how long the solutions will take to program. Based on > what I have heard, the Wasatch Front is going to give this system its very > biggest challenge to date. If there are problems as it continues to > roll-out, things will likely slow down or stop again. If a deadline is > given, the complaints when that deadline is missed are FAR worse than if > the > people didn't know when it was coming and didn't know that they missed > their > target date. > > You have indicated that you think participation in family history work > among > Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in your > area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience? I would be > curious to know. I assume that there is a brief time period of curiosity > and > learning about the new system, but has anyone seen a truly significant > increase in long-term participation? I'm not trying to be negative here, I > want to make a point. I don't believe any "tool" is going to generate the > level of family history and temple work participation that needs to be > occurring. I think making the process more user friendly is a definite > plus, > but it isn't a life changer. Missionaries don't convert, the Spirit does. > Family History tools are fun, but they don't inspire testimony and > commitment. > > When I started this work, my biggest concern in life was how on earth I > was > going to be able to afford a long-carriage typewriter! Before I had the > money, PAF 1.0 was created. I started by submitting names to Salt Lake and > waiting 6 months for approval, then we had TempleReady, and now we have > New > FamilySearch. I saw the IGI go from the CFI on microfiche to the current > online system. There has been a steady increase over time in participation > in family history, but as you mentioned, the current level of > participation > is still peanuts. The new tools released over the last 30 years have not > been life-changers. It's my contention that no tool is going to bring the > commitment and dedication needed to accomplish this work--without the > testimony and conversion necessary to change our lives and the way we use > our time. > > These tools are being created and will continue to roll forth as the Lord > sees fit to reveal them to us. He is in charge, and He knows the roll-out > schedule. I have been teaching family history through this entire process, > and trust me, the tools are not what the students get excited about. The > "life-changing event" is the testimony they gain of the work that gives > them > the desire to learn about and use the tools--whatever they are. I would > suggest letting the roll-out schedule fall off your radar, and focus more > on > testimony and the doctrine. I know that's hard to do, but I truly believe > you will have greater success with that approach. I have been asked to > speak > in Sacrament meeting in a few weeks, and I was asked if there was a > particular theme I would like the meeting to focus on. I started laughing > and asked if they really had to ask that question! I don't know about any > of > you, but our ward has certainly not had its one-third share of Sacrament > meeting talks for this aspect of the three-fold mission of the Church!! > :-) > > Just some thoughts, > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm going to an afternoon fireside in Orem this Friday. One of the brethren from the family history department and NFS is supposed to be there. Maybe I can get some answers or ideas too.. > From: jncrandell@broadweave.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:56:25 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Which Utah temples accept FORs? > > David wrote: > The rollout should be completed - August/September, providing there's no > snafus, bugs or glitches. > > David, > Did you get this from an "official" source? I'm wondering, because some > things that were mentioned in my faculty meeting at BYU last week would not > support this deadline, and we were meeting with FamilySearch people from > Salt Lake. If this were the case, we would not need to make the arrangements > that are being made for our family history classes this fall. > > Jill Crandell > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David wrote: The rollout should be completed - August/September, providing there's no snafus, bugs or glitches. David, Did you get this from an "official" source? I'm wondering, because some things that were mentioned in my faculty meeting at BYU last week would not support this deadline, and we were meeting with FamilySearch people from Salt Lake. If this were the case, we would not need to make the arrangements that are being made for our family history classes this fall. Jill Crandell

Our experience was that many members were excited by the new system and spent a good amount of time on it.... then got tired of it, especially when they discovered they still needed to do actual research if they wanted to add to their family tree, and then quit, again. Paula On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Jill N. Crandell wrote: > You have indicated that you think participation in family history > work among > Church members will greatly increase when the program is released in > your > area. Has anyone in the rolled-out areas had that experience?