There is a source no one stopped to think and look. I am working on photos of gravemarkers for Centerville City Cemetery in Centerville, Utah One thing I can tell you.. There are MISSED ones even recent ones. Because I constantly checking nFS, WorldConnect, census for maiden surnames. Often I would turn up missing children and spouses in gravemarkers not found elsewhere. And often I would find the information to be incorrect in newFamilySearch because of wrong burial places. One example has a lady buried in western New York when in fact she did died there but was brought back to Massachusetts to be buried with family. That was 1828. A good source to check for them is http://gpp.jlconsulting.com/ 23 states now. W. David Samuelsen (running Utah, Oregon, New York and Massachusetts)

A couple more thoughts: One of the members of the Quorum of the Twelve once commented that he once thought that all the work had been done for his identifiable ancestors. However, in a conference talk, he stated that upon further checking, he discovered an additonal (I think the number was ) 3,000 more ordinances that needed to be done. ALSO ... Keep in mind what the prophet Joseph F Smith stated. Even IF .. and it's a big IF ... all of our ancestors work is done, and there is nothing more we can find to do, we are STILL responsible to LEARN about our ancestors lives. The Lord requires that he said. So, if you are in fact one of those "unfortunate" souls ( I say unfortunate or unlucky because if all your ancestors work is done and there is no more to do, you won't have or continue to have the satisfaction of performing those ordinances for them) then you should STUDY their lives and continue trying to find things out about their lives. I think this is a great principle because I think it will make our meeting with them on the other side all the more enjoyable if we have learned enough about them to feel that we could have known each other in life. > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:28:57 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] No names? No more work? > > How true, and these don't even look into those immediate 6-8 > generationsto find missing ordinances to take care of. > > What's more, one of converts had his lines pretty much taken care of by > distant cousins (New Mexico early Spanish, his direct ancestors are > early settlers, including all founders of Albuquerque with exception of > one monk were pretty much done) so he turned to the descendants of those > ancestors to find them and get their work done. Keep on digging! > > David Samuelsen > > Sue Barnsley wrote: > > I believe it is a misnomer to believe that long time members have little > > work to do. I have been working with a number of members that are either 6 > > or 8 generation LDS and there is plenty of work for both of them to do. One > > of the members has had enough names for his immediate family and his > > siblings and their families to do for the past 8 years. As a convert myself > > I also have enough names to keep me busy. Unless someone in your family in > > your lines has has done 4.2 million names back 20 generations, you have more > > than enough to keep you busy. > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How true, and these don't even look into those immediate 6-8 generationsto find missing ordinances to take care of. What's more, one of converts had his lines pretty much taken care of by distant cousins (New Mexico early Spanish, his direct ancestors are early settlers, including all founders of Albuquerque with exception of one monk were pretty much done) so he turned to the descendants of those ancestors to find them and get their work done. Keep on digging! David Samuelsen Sue Barnsley wrote: > I believe it is a misnomer to believe that long time members have little > work to do. I have been working with a number of members that are either 6 > or 8 generation LDS and there is plenty of work for both of them to do. One > of the members has had enough names for his immediate family and his > siblings and their families to do for the past 8 years. As a convert myself > I also have enough names to keep me busy. Unless someone in your family in > your lines has has done 4.2 million names back 20 generations, you have more > than enough to keep you busy.

I work in the office (and veil/ceremony worker) in the Hague temple which is a small temple. We do print temple lists every morning and when there are no lists provided for a certain ordinance but names are required we have a back up file from which we can take. Normally people bring enough of their own fam. Cards to provide, at the moment we don't get male endowment lists as there are many family cards in the file. I for one am happy that we only can retrieve temple lists per ordinance and no more then there is handled the day before in that case we don't have drawers full of lists of which there seemed no end. Recently we a ward temple coordinator was called so now there will be help organized for people who aren't able anymore to do there own work but are still active in finding names! Alie Vermeer from the Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com Sent: zaterdag 4 april 2009 9:02 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bountiful Temple (W. David Samuelsen) 2. Re: NFS names being sent to the temples...is anyone in SL reading th... (Sahara346@aol.com) 3. Re: Disputes (DC & Alice Allen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:10:48 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bountiful Temple To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <49D6A588.8020403@sampubco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed please do tell! I will pass along this to my friends who go to Bountiful on regular basis. David Samuelsen Whitcomb wrote: > The Family History Library has been printing FORs since August of last > year. I have taken a few groups of Spanish speaking FHL missionaries > through the process while helping them with nFS. > > If anyone asks, I will be glad to tell folks which desk does the printing. > > Alan W. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:35 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > >> Talked with the sister in Recorder's office of Bountiful Temple >> >> They can print cards from the FORs from the newFamilySearch >> >> but they can not go into the newFamilySearch yet. >> >> And she cautioned even, Bountiful Temple transmit completed ordinances >> on daily basis, there is a delay involving the new system cards, can be >> as long as a month before dates show up in the newFamilySearch. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:56:14 EDT From: Sahara346@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] NFS names being sent to the temples...is anyone in SL reading th... To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d36.41b54c2b.3708183e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sometimes, perhaps families could split in attending the temple, taking turns babysitting for the kids--but also doing some trips together. We've done that when funds were short (and at the time we had an 8 hour drive one way to the temple.) I know a lot of folks that want to be selective in what they want to do. But maybe we need to encourage them to think of those pieces of paper not as "names" but as the individuals who need the ordinances done. Maybe that would make it more personal. And certainly, we gain blessings ourselves when we got for others. Karen In a message dated 4/3/2009 6:34:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: So far the Detroit Temple has been very helpful with my family file names for sealings. They are involved with some type of program from the Temple Department to help complete the family files of the patrons. I understand that there are two other temples involved in this program as well. As I have mentioned earlier on the list, we are allowed to give the temple our family file cards. The only limitation is that there be 25 women and 5 male endowments per family each month. We can give them our baptisms, confirmations, initiatories, and sealings without problem. I have been happy to have help with completing the sealings in my family file. The temple office appreciates a stack of sealings (child to parents sealings and marriage sealings) whenever I give it to them. I wish other temples had this policy on helping families with their family files. It is a wonderful blessing to those of us with large submissions. The paradox is that a convert usually has a small number of family members to help with a large family file. The person whose family has been in the Church for generations often has a large number of family members but struggle to find information to submit. I know that for a long time the temples have been wanting patrons to increase the number of endowments because endowments are necessary to move to the next step (sealing to parents ordinance). A lot of members do not understand how valuable they are to the temple and to the Lord's work. It was only a few years ago that the First Presidency released a letter asking members to attend the temple more often and give up some of their leisure activities as necessary. This counsel is still in effect. Another challenge for the members may be the economy. It costs money for gas and babysitters. Some people are struggling just to pay the mortgage and buy food. There has been a strong emphasis in our stake this year to attend the temple and also to pay our tithing. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0000000 3) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:03:51 -0700 From: "DC & Alice Allen" <dcaallen@pacifier.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Disputes To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <200904032203510812.02F53D16@smtp.iinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh gracious! It was hard enough to deal with the one I had, let alone a whole family. Think I've done all I can for John Peter & his parents, so on to other people. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/2009 at 6:10 PM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >DC & Alice Allen wrote: >> When you say "tag," do you mean dispute his relationship to his >*grand*parents? >yes > >> When I pull up John, he is only showing one set of parents. When I pull >up Samuel, there are two John Peter's showing as a child of Samuel & Amey. > I had already disputed the one, but now there are two so should I dispute >that one as well, or merge them first? > >add dispute to this one before merge because somebody else might >separate and ignore the dispute. Better to have this particular dispute >follow that particular record > >> >> I'm getting more confused the more I work with this family. > >I have much worse one - the Straight family, somebody goofed and thought >Mary was mother when it was actually grandmother and even worse, cousins >with same cousins passed off as brothers and sisters with wrong parents. >Henry, John, Thomas, Mary, Harriet, Sarah - good grief! > >David Samuelsen > > >> >> Alice Allen >> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >> Vancouver WA Stake >> Portland OR Temple District >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 4/3/2009 at 12:26 AM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >> >>> Alice, >>> >>> don't try to separate that record because I already did and had a good >>> look at the separated 2 records to realize there's no way to handle it, >>> hence my recommendation to you to use "dispute relationship" feature >for >>> the child to tag the wrong parents. >>> >>> You have one more John to tag before remerge him. >>> >>> David Samuelsen >>> >>> DC & Alice Allen wrote: >>>> Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great >>> grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little >>> easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what >you >>> think. >>>> Alice Allen >>>> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >>>> Vancouver WA Stake >>>> Portland OR Temple District >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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I believe it is a misnomer to believe that long time members have little work to do. I have been working with a number of members that are either 6 or 8 generation LDS and there is plenty of work for both of them to do. One of the members has had enough names for his immediate family and his siblings and their families to do for the past 8 years. As a convert myself I also have enough names to keep me busy. Unless someone in your family in your lines has has done 4.2 million names back 20 generations, you have more than enough to keep you busy. ----- Original Message ----- From: <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember > to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bountiful Temple (W. David Samuelsen) > 2. Re: NFS names being sent to the temples...is anyone in SL > reading th... (Sahara346@aol.com) > 3. Re: Disputes (DC & Alice Allen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:10:48 -0600 > From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bountiful Temple > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <49D6A588.8020403@sampubco.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > please do tell! I will pass along this to my friends who go to Bountiful > on regular basis. > > David Samuelsen > > Whitcomb wrote: >> The Family History Library has been printing FORs since August of last >> year. I have taken a few groups of Spanish speaking FHL missionaries >> through the process while helping them with nFS. >> >> If anyone asks, I will be glad to tell folks which desk does the >> printing. >> >> Alan W. >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:35 PM, W. David Samuelsen >> <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: >> >>> Talked with the sister in Recorder's office of Bountiful Temple >>> >>> They can print cards from the FORs from the newFamilySearch >>> >>> but they can not go into the newFamilySearch yet. >>> >>> And she cautioned even, Bountiful Temple transmit completed ordinances >>> on daily basis, there is a delay involving the new system cards, can be >>> as long as a month before dates show up in the newFamilySearch. >>> >>> David Samuelsen >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:56:14 EDT > From: Sahara346@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] NFS names being sent to the temples...is anyone > in SL reading th... > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d36.41b54c2b.3708183e@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sometimes, perhaps families could split in attending the temple, taking > turns babysitting for the kids--but also doing some trips together. We've > done > that when funds were short (and at the time we had an 8 hour drive one way > to > the temple.) > > I know a lot of folks that want to be selective in what they want to do. > But maybe we need to encourage them to think of those pieces of paper not > as > "names" but as the individuals who need the ordinances done. Maybe that > would > make it more personal. And certainly, we gain blessings ourselves when > we > got for others. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 4/3/2009 6:34:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: > > So far the Detroit Temple has been very helpful with my family file names > for sealings. They are involved with some type of program from the Temple > Department to help complete the family files of the patrons. I understand > that > there are two other temples involved in this program as well. > > As I have mentioned earlier on the list, we are allowed to give the > temple > our family file cards. The only limitation is that there be 25 women and > 5 > male endowments per family each month. We can give them our baptisms, > confirmations, initiatories, and sealings without problem. I have been > happy to have > help with completing the sealings in my family file. > > The temple office appreciates a stack of sealings (child to parents > sealings > and marriage sealings) whenever I give it to them. > > I wish other temples had this policy on helping families with their > family > files. It is a wonderful blessing to those of us with large submissions. > > The paradox is that a convert usually has a small number of family > members > to help with a large family file. The person whose family has been in the > Church for generations often has a large number of family members but > struggle to > find information to submit. > > I know that for a long time the temples have been wanting patrons to > increase the number of endowments because endowments are necessary to > move to the > next step (sealing to parents ordinance). > > A lot of members do not understand how valuable they are to the temple > and > to the Lord's work. > > It was only a few years ago that the First Presidency released a letter > asking members to attend the temple more often and give up some of their > leisure > activities as necessary. This counsel is still in effect. > > Another challenge for the members may be the economy. It costs money for > gas > and babysitters. Some people are struggling just to pay the mortgage and > buy food. There has been a strong emphasis in our stake this year to > attend the > temple and also to pay our tithing. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:03:51 -0700 > From: "DC & Alice Allen" <dcaallen@pacifier.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Disputes > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200904032203510812.02F53D16@smtp.iinet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Oh gracious! It was hard enough to deal with the one I had, let alone a > whole family. > > Think I've done all I can for John Peter & his parents, so on to other > people. > > Alice Allen > Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant > Vancouver WA Stake > Portland OR Temple District > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/3/2009 at 6:10 PM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: > >>DC & Alice Allen wrote: >>> When you say "tag," do you mean dispute his relationship to his >>*grand*parents? >>yes >> >>> When I pull up John, he is only showing one set of parents. When I pull >>up Samuel, there are two John Peter's showing as a child of Samuel & Amey. >> I had already disputed the one, but now there are two so should I dispute >>that one as well, or merge them first? >> >>add dispute to this one before merge because somebody else might >>separate and ignore the dispute. Better to have this particular dispute >>follow that particular record >> >>> >>> I'm getting more confused the more I work with this family. >> >>I have much worse one - the Straight family, somebody goofed and thought >>Mary was mother when it was actually grandmother and even worse, cousins >>with same cousins passed off as brothers and sisters with wrong parents. >>Henry, John, Thomas, Mary, Harriet, Sarah - good grief! >> >>David Samuelsen >> >> >>> >>> Alice Allen >>> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >>> Vancouver WA Stake >>> Portland OR Temple District >>> >>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >>> >>> On 4/3/2009 at 12:26 AM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >>> >>>> Alice, >>>> >>>> don't try to separate that record because I already did and had a good >>>> look at the separated 2 records to realize there's no way to handle it, >>>> hence my recommendation to you to use "dispute relationship" feature >>for >>>> the child to tag the wrong parents. >>>> >>>> You have one more John to tag before remerge him. >>>> >>>> David Samuelsen >>>> >>>> DC & Alice Allen wrote: >>>>> Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great >>>> grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little >>>> easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what >>you >>>> think. >>>>> Alice Allen >>>>> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >>>>> Vancouver WA Stake >>>>> Portland OR Temple District >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >>Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 > *************************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Now that is an idea every ward should have. I know of one ward in Salt Lake City area doing it every Sunday, getting volunteers to line up for weeking ordinances as needed (this ward has every Tuesday doing different ordinance each week to help each other's families) David Samuelsen Alida Vermeer wrote: > Recently we a ward temple coordinator was called so now there will be help > organized for people who aren't able anymore to do there own work but are > still active in finding names! > Alie Vermeer from the Netherlands

Oh gracious! It was hard enough to deal with the one I had, let alone a whole family. Think I've done all I can for John Peter & his parents, so on to other people. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/2009 at 6:10 PM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >DC & Alice Allen wrote: >> When you say "tag," do you mean dispute his relationship to his >*grand*parents? >yes > >> When I pull up John, he is only showing one set of parents. When I pull >up Samuel, there are two John Peter's showing as a child of Samuel & Amey. > I had already disputed the one, but now there are two so should I dispute >that one as well, or merge them first? > >add dispute to this one before merge because somebody else might >separate and ignore the dispute. Better to have this particular dispute >follow that particular record > >> >> I'm getting more confused the more I work with this family. > >I have much worse one - the Straight family, somebody goofed and thought >Mary was mother when it was actually grandmother and even worse, cousins >with same cousins passed off as brothers and sisters with wrong parents. >Henry, John, Thomas, Mary, Harriet, Sarah - good grief! > >David Samuelsen > > >> >> Alice Allen >> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >> Vancouver WA Stake >> Portland OR Temple District >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 4/3/2009 at 12:26 AM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >> >>> Alice, >>> >>> don't try to separate that record because I already did and had a good >>> look at the separated 2 records to realize there's no way to handle it, >>> hence my recommendation to you to use "dispute relationship" feature >for >>> the child to tag the wrong parents. >>> >>> You have one more John to tag before remerge him. >>> >>> David Samuelsen >>> >>> DC & Alice Allen wrote: >>>> Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great >>> grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little >>> easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what >you >>> think. >>>> Alice Allen >>>> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >>>> Vancouver WA Stake >>>> Portland OR Temple District >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sometimes, perhaps families could split in attending the temple, taking turns babysitting for the kids--but also doing some trips together. We've done that when funds were short (and at the time we had an 8 hour drive one way to the temple.) I know a lot of folks that want to be selective in what they want to do. But maybe we need to encourage them to think of those pieces of paper not as "names" but as the individuals who need the ordinances done. Maybe that would make it more personal. And certainly, we gain blessings ourselves when we got for others. Karen In a message dated 4/3/2009 6:34:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: So far the Detroit Temple has been very helpful with my family file names for sealings. They are involved with some type of program from the Temple Department to help complete the family files of the patrons. I understand that there are two other temples involved in this program as well. As I have mentioned earlier on the list, we are allowed to give the temple our family file cards. The only limitation is that there be 25 women and 5 male endowments per family each month. We can give them our baptisms, confirmations, initiatories, and sealings without problem. I have been happy to have help with completing the sealings in my family file. The temple office appreciates a stack of sealings (child to parents sealings and marriage sealings) whenever I give it to them. I wish other temples had this policy on helping families with their family files. It is a wonderful blessing to those of us with large submissions. The paradox is that a convert usually has a small number of family members to help with a large family file. The person whose family has been in the Church for generations often has a large number of family members but struggle to find information to submit. I know that for a long time the temples have been wanting patrons to increase the number of endowments because endowments are necessary to move to the next step (sealing to parents ordinance). A lot of members do not understand how valuable they are to the temple and to the Lord's work. It was only a few years ago that the First Presidency released a letter asking members to attend the temple more often and give up some of their leisure activities as necessary. This counsel is still in effect. Another challenge for the members may be the economy. It costs money for gas and babysitters. Some people are struggling just to pay the mortgage and buy food. There has been a strong emphasis in our stake this year to attend the temple and also to pay our tithing. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

The Family History Library has been printing FORs since August of last year. I have taken a few groups of Spanish speaking FHL missionaries through the process while helping them with nFS. If anyone asks, I will be glad to tell folks which desk does the printing. Alan W. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:35 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > Talked with the sister in Recorder's office of Bountiful Temple > > They can print cards from the FORs from the newFamilySearch > > but they can not go into the newFamilySearch yet. > > And she cautioned even, Bountiful Temple transmit completed ordinances > on daily basis, there is a delay involving the new system cards, can be > as long as a month before dates show up in the newFamilySearch. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

please do tell! I will pass along this to my friends who go to Bountiful on regular basis. David Samuelsen Whitcomb wrote: > The Family History Library has been printing FORs since August of last > year. I have taken a few groups of Spanish speaking FHL missionaries > through the process while helping them with nFS. > > If anyone asks, I will be glad to tell folks which desk does the printing. > > Alan W. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:35 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > >> Talked with the sister in Recorder's office of Bountiful Temple >> >> They can print cards from the FORs from the newFamilySearch >> >> but they can not go into the newFamilySearch yet. >> >> And she cautioned even, Bountiful Temple transmit completed ordinances >> on daily basis, there is a delay involving the new system cards, can be >> as long as a month before dates show up in the newFamilySearch. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

DC & Alice Allen wrote: > When you say "tag," do you mean dispute his relationship to his *grand*parents? yes > When I pull up John, he is only showing one set of parents. When I pull up Samuel, there are two John Peter's showing as a child of Samuel & Amey. I had already disputed the one, but now there are two so should I dispute that one as well, or merge them first? add dispute to this one before merge because somebody else might separate and ignore the dispute. Better to have this particular dispute follow that particular record > > I'm getting more confused the more I work with this family. I have much worse one - the Straight family, somebody goofed and thought Mary was mother when it was actually grandmother and even worse, cousins with same cousins passed off as brothers and sisters with wrong parents. Henry, John, Thomas, Mary, Harriet, Sarah - good grief! David Samuelsen > > Alice Allen > Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant > Vancouver WA Stake > Portland OR Temple District > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/3/2009 at 12:26 AM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: > >> Alice, >> >> don't try to separate that record because I already did and had a good >> look at the separated 2 records to realize there's no way to handle it, >> hence my recommendation to you to use "dispute relationship" feature for >> the child to tag the wrong parents. >> >> You have one more John to tag before remerge him. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> DC & Alice Allen wrote: >>> Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great >> grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little >> easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what you >> think. >>> Alice Allen >>> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >>> Vancouver WA Stake >>> Portland OR Temple District >>> > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > The paradox is that a convert usually has a small number of family members to help with a large family file. The person whose family has been in the Church for generations often has a large number of family members but struggle to find information to submit. I have the opposite of it. Got lot of family members in church but not much of temple work to do with the side of the family while I have hard time trying to get volunteers to help out with the other side of family where there is a lot of cards. "Not my side of the family" syndrome. I know of one sister who is very fortunate to have her inlaws and friends helping her so much on both of her lines - she's first LDS. In my ward we help each other getting what needed to be done. I send my cards to Bountiful because a lot of my friends get it done there faster. Salt Lake Temple is limited to 5 male and 5 female per ordinance at a time per week apart from the assigned session I go to. Baptisms we get our ward youth to do it and this year my ward youth group's goal is to visit every one of 13 temples in state of Utah within a year so we keep them supplied with cards. The problem has been getting enough male endowments to keep going. David Samuelsen

I served in a sealing session yesterday as an ordinance worker/patron. We didn't have any male sealings of children to do and only a few female sealings that I personally brought. Everything else was marriages. The reason: The temple is not allowed to download any more children sealings than endowments (there is a set ratio given to recorders.) Because our temple is so active with patrons doing family names, this policy cripples us in two ways. First of all, we have been asked NOT to bring large amounts of personal cards to the temple because the temple has to do NFS endowments in order to supply itself for sealing sessions. (Does this seem as wrong to you as me?) We are asked to do temple supplied names. Secondly, our stake assigned sealing sessions do not have a variety of experiences...unless patrons bring their own cards. I hope someone in SL reads this list. I think our smaller temples in areas where people are very active in research work (many converts outside of Utah) have a different need/demand that the big mega production temples in Utah. Originally, the recorder could pull down whatever types of ordinances they had need for, but that was changed. I hope they go back to the original method. Michele **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

So far the Detroit Temple has been very helpful with my family file names for sealings. They are involved with some type of program from the Temple Department to help complete the family files of the patrons. I understand that there are two other temples involved in this program as well. As I have mentioned earlier on the list, we are allowed to give the temple our family file cards. The only limitation is that there be 25 women and 5 male endowments per family each month. We can give them our baptisms, confirmations, initiatories, and sealings without problem. I have been happy to have help with completing the sealings in my family file. The temple office appreciates a stack of sealings (child to parents sealings and marriage sealings) whenever I give it to them. I wish other temples had this policy on helping families with their family files. It is a wonderful blessing to those of us with large submissions. The paradox is that a convert usually has a small number of family members to help with a large family file. The person whose family has been in the Church for generations often has a large number of family members but struggle to find information to submit. I know that for a long time the temples have been wanting patrons to increase the number of endowments because endowments are necessary to move to the next step (sealing to parents ordinance). A lot of members do not understand how valuable they are to the temple and to the Lord's work. It was only a few years ago that the First Presidency released a letter asking members to attend the temple more often and give up some of their leisure activities as necessary. This counsel is still in effect. Another challenge for the members may be the economy. It costs money for gas and babysitters. Some people are struggling just to pay the mortgage and buy food. There has been a strong emphasis in our stake this year to attend the temple and also to pay our tithing. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake 

Talked with the sister in Recorder's office of Bountiful Temple They can print cards from the FORs from the newFamilySearch but they can not go into the newFamilySearch yet. And she cautioned even, Bountiful Temple transmit completed ordinances on daily basis, there is a delay involving the new system cards, can be as long as a month before dates show up in the newFamilySearch. David Samuelsen

When you say "tag," do you mean dispute his relationship to his *grand*parents? When I pull up John, he is only showing one set of parents. When I pull up Samuel, there are two John Peter's showing as a child of Samuel & Amey. I had already disputed the one, but now there are two so should I dispute that one as well, or merge them first? I'm getting more confused the more I work with this family. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/3/2009 at 12:26 AM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >Alice, > >don't try to separate that record because I already did and had a good >look at the separated 2 records to realize there's no way to handle it, >hence my recommendation to you to use "dispute relationship" feature for >the child to tag the wrong parents. > >You have one more John to tag before remerge him. > >David Samuelsen > >DC & Alice Allen wrote: >> Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great >grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little >easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what you >think. >> >> Alice Allen >> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >> Vancouver WA Stake >> Portland OR Temple District >>

Alice, don't try to separate that record because I already did and had a good look at the separated 2 records to realize there's no way to handle it, hence my recommendation to you to use "dispute relationship" feature for the child to tag the wrong parents. You have one more John to tag before remerge him. David Samuelsen DC & Alice Allen wrote: > Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what you think. > > Alice Allen > Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant > Vancouver WA Stake > Portland OR Temple District > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/2/2009 at 6:20 PM john@ohanasoftware.com wrote: > >> Alice, >> >> Have you tried separating the records. Perhaps a record for your >> grandmother >> got incorrectly combined with a record for your aunt. >> >> Aloha, >> John Vilburn >> Ohana Software >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "DC & Alice Allen" <dcaallen@pacifier.com> >> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Disputes >> >> >>> I have an aunt (by marriage) who is showing as a spouse to my uncle >>> (correctly), my grandfather (father of my uncle) and some unknown person >>> not related but with the same last name. My grandfather died in 1954, my >>> uncle in 1965, and I personally know that my aunt never remarried. I am >>> figuring I'll be on the phone with support over that one, because all the >>> sources are listed as LDS Temple records, yet her temple work has not >> been >>> done. I'm not ready to touch THAT one yet. >>> >>> Alice Allen >>> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >>> Vancouver WA Stake >>> Portland OR Temple District >>> > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Not yet, I'm not quite ready to take this on. I'd like to get my great grandfather & his parentage straightened out first. Seems a little easier, compared to this one. When I'm ready, I'll let y'all see what you think. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/2/2009 at 6:20 PM john@ohanasoftware.com wrote: >Alice, > >Have you tried separating the records. Perhaps a record for your >grandmother >got incorrectly combined with a record for your aunt. > >Aloha, >John Vilburn >Ohana Software > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DC & Alice Allen" <dcaallen@pacifier.com> >To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:03 PM >Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Disputes > > >>I have an aunt (by marriage) who is showing as a spouse to my uncle >>(correctly), my grandfather (father of my uncle) and some unknown person >>not related but with the same last name. My grandfather died in 1954, my >>uncle in 1965, and I personally know that my aunt never remarried. I am >>figuring I'll be on the phone with support over that one, because all the >>sources are listed as LDS Temple records, yet her temple work has not >been >>done. I'm not ready to touch THAT one yet. >> >> Alice Allen >> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >> Vancouver WA Stake >> Portland OR Temple District >>

This is similiar to my Dickinson/Fulkerson case. I will have to look at them for you later tonight to find what can be done. David Samuelsen, in Family History Library > I need some help separating some children from the wrong mother. Joseph > Leigh K2YK-XTL was married twice - Scyche Hoogland and Hannah Smith. I > know > he had four children with Scyche, and then a bunch with Hannah. The > record > has some of his children with Hannah sealed to him and Scyche, so how do I > move those to the right family? Right now they show in both. The > children > were born after Scyche died, so I'm sure they belong to Hannah. Rachel > shows as a child in the first marriage, and the first child of the second > marriage is Syche, but they are born the same year, so I think they are > the > same person, but I'll have to research that out more! Thanks for any help > or suggestions. > > Megan Smith > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alice, Have you tried separating the records. Perhaps a record for your grandmother got incorrectly combined with a record for your aunt. Aloha, John Vilburn Ohana Software ----- Original Message ----- From: "DC & Alice Allen" <dcaallen@pacifier.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Disputes >I have an aunt (by marriage) who is showing as a spouse to my uncle >(correctly), my grandfather (father of my uncle) and some unknown person >not related but with the same last name. My grandfather died in 1954, my >uncle in 1965, and I personally know that my aunt never remarried. I am >figuring I'll be on the phone with support over that one, because all the >sources are listed as LDS Temple records, yet her temple work has not been >done. I'm not ready to touch THAT one yet. > > Alice Allen > Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant > Vancouver WA Stake > Portland OR Temple District > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/2/2009 at 8:19 AM Jenealogist66@msn.com wrote: > >>I had a loop like this where a grandson had the same name as his >>grandfather. Someone had mistakenly typed the grandson's birth info in >>instead of the grandfather's, so the record showed the grandson was >>married to the grandmother. This was not just a combining error, a >>sealing (a duplicate, of course,) was done. The incorrect info was shared >>widely, and had been duplicated on PRF 57 times. I referred it through >>feedback to the family history missionaries and programmers. Took them a >>month, but they did delete the problem record and fixed it. >> >>Doris Bateman >> > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message