Am I understanding this correctly? For temple districts who are already on nfs, ordinances done for names processed previously on the old Temple Ready system will NOT show up on the IGI? If they are not being updated on the IGI, shouldn't I be able to pick them up on Family Insight which searches nfs? I am getting the ordinance information on either PAF Insight or FAMILY Insight. I do find it recorded on the individual screen in nfs if I bring up the individual's name and search the ordinances screen for him/her. These ordinances were done March 10, which is almost a month ago.

It might behoove us to remember that depending on the time period and area of the country the family was living in, they may have been married according to the social rules of the community, but no license issued because there was no courthouse, or perhaps the license was destroyed in a courthouse fire, or any number of things. We can't automatically assume because we can't find proof of the ceremony that there wasn't one. Sometimes there was, and sometimes there wasn't. Karen In a message dated 4/5/2009 6:41:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Yes, the father may be sealed to his biological parents -- even though they were never married. Before the father is sealed to his parents, their individual ordinances need to be completed (which has been done already) and then the couple need to be sealed together as husband and wife. We have discussed this issue on the list before but it is so important that it comes up regularly. The Church has given unmarried couples the opportunity to be sealed together -- especially if they have had children. We have been advised that the sealing ordinance is critical even though we do not always understand why and how it works for the protection of the children. We need to remember that we are not to judge but just perform the ordinances. So if a couple is unmarried and has children together, then they may be sealed together. This is dependent on rights of precedence and privacy for all the parties involved. Questions should probably be directed to a temple president, his counselors, or the temple recorder. They will always know the latest information and policies. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "susanne@katskraft.com" <susanne@katskraft.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:04:00 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... Hello, I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact susanne@katskraft.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

living non-member relatives do not show up except your own parents and grandparents. They are there but masked. David Samuelsen Denise Sorensen wrote: > I have a sister in my ward whose husband is not a member of the Church. We have been working on her husband's family history. I added her husband and his ancestors without issue in NFS. We saved names to be printed for Temple ordinance work. The NFS program kept freezing, so I decided to work in Family Tree. > > Once into Family Tree, none of this sister's husband's family/ancestors were listed on the tree. I was under the impression that what you entered into NFS, would also appear on Family Tree. Does anyone know why this information did not appear on Family Tree? (By the way, I was able to print up all of the ordinance work on Family Tree). > > Thank you for your help, > Denise > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Karen's points are well taken and valuable. There are many times that there was a marriage but it just is hard to document. (My great-grandparents eloped from Chicago to Kenosha, Wisconsin. I could spend a long time looking for the marriage record in Chicago but would never find it there. It is in the county records for Kenosha County, Wisconsin.) In the question that was asked the child's parents were definitely not married. (See Suzanne's email below.) Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "Sahara346@aol.com" <Sahara346@aol.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:54:52 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... It might behoove us to remember that depending on the time period and area  of the country the family was living in, they may have been married according to  the social rules of the community, but no license issued because there was no  courthouse, or perhaps the license was destroyed in a courthouse fire, or any  number of things.  We can't automatically assume because we can't find  proof of the ceremony that there wasn't one.  Sometimes there was, and  sometimes there wasn't. Karen In a message dated 4/5/2009 6:41:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Yes, the  father may be sealed to his biological parents -- even though they were never  married. Before the father is sealed to his parents, their individual  ordinances need to be completed (which has been done already) and then the  couple need to be sealed together as husband and wife. We have  discussed this issue on the list before but it is so important that it comes  up regularly. The Church has given unmarried couples the opportunity to  be sealed together -- especially if they have had children. We have been  advised that the sealing ordinance is critical even though we do not always  understand why and how it works for the protection of the children. We  need to remember that we are not to judge but just perform the ordinances. So  if a couple is unmarried and has children together, then they may be sealed  together. This is dependent on rights of precedence and privacy for all the  parties involved. Questions should probably be directed to a temple  president, his counselors, or the temple recorder. They will always know the  latest information and policies. Mary Scott Northville  Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan  Temple ________________________________ From:  "susanne@katskraft.com" <susanne@katskraft.com> To:  lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:04:00  PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... Hello, I have a sister  whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never  married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His  parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact  susanne@katskraft.com

I have a sister in my ward whose husband is not a member of the Church.  We have been working on her husband's family history.  I added her husband and his ancestors without issue in NFS. We saved names to be printed for Temple ordinance work.  The NFS program kept freezing, so I decided to work in Family Tree.   Once into Family Tree, none of this sister's husband's family/ancestors were listed on the tree.  I was under the impression that what you entered into NFS, would also appear on Family Tree.  Does anyone know why this information did not appear on Family Tree? (By the way, I was able to print up all of the ordinance work on Family Tree).   Thank you for your help, Denise

Hello, I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact susanne@katskraft.com

Yes, the father may be sealed to his biological parents -- even though they were never married. Before the father is sealed to his parents, their individual ordinances need to be completed (which has been done already) and then the couple need to be sealed together as husband and wife. We have discussed this issue on the list before but it is so important that it comes up regularly. The Church has given unmarried couples the opportunity to be sealed together -- especially if they have had children. We have been advised that the sealing ordinance is critical even though we do not always understand why and how it works for the protection of the children. We need to remember that we are not to judge but just perform the ordinances. So if a couple is unmarried and has children together, then they may be sealed together. This is dependent on rights of precedence and privacy for all the parties involved. Questions should probably be directed to a temple president, his counselors, or the temple recorder. They will always know the latest information and policies. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "susanne@katskraft.com" <susanne@katskraft.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:04:00 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... Hello, I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact susanne@katskraft.com

In the new.familysearch.org Help topics https://new.familysearch.org/HelpCenter/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=rwwspolicysealingtospouseundocumentedmarriagehtml&sliceId=&dialogID=467205&stateId=0%200%20465660 There is the following reply to the question--- Can I seal a couple who was never married? "Problem Can I seal a couple who lived together but never married? Can I seal a couple who had a child together but never married? Resolution A deceased couple who lived together as husband and wife may be sealed, even if the marriage cannot be documented." Once they are sealed you can seal their son to them. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: <susanne@katskraft.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... > Hello, > I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His > parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to > them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. > > contact susanne@katskraft.com > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joseph wrote: > Temple ordinances done in the rolled out temples do not go to the IGI. Not true. They do show up but take slight longer. It is opposite in nFS - that is the Temples that are not in roll out yet such Utah and Idaho, it takes as much as a month to show up in nFS but show up within 7 days in IGI. David Samuelsen

You should see them using PAF Insight, which still checks the IIGI. The "real" way is to find it manually via www.familysearch.org. If it's not listed there.. Then you want to email familysearch support. Some names may have been lost in the records. Alan W. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Joseph <joseph@snapwood.com> wrote: > > Temple ordinances done in the rolled out temples do not go to the IGI. > PAF > Insight searches only the IGI, but Family Insight also searches new > FamilySearch. So you should be able to find the information in Family > Insight, but not PAF Insight. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Gay Davis wrote: > > I have a number of name cards obtained on the old Temple Ready system. The > end > owments were done on 10 Mar in the Seattle Temple. > When I try to pick up the ordinance information in PAF Insight or in Family > Ins > ight, it is not there. If I go into NFS and check the person's individual > scre > en for ordinances, the endowment is entered. > > Should they be posted on the IGI by now? Should I be able to pick them up > on b > oth PAF Insight and Family Insight? Thx. > > Gay Davis > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > [1]LDS-WARD-CONSUL > TANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [2]LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-re > quest@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subjec > t and the body of the message > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - [3]www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 > 17:5 > 4:00 > > References > > 1. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > 2. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > 3. http://www.avg.com/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Temple ordinances done in the rolled out temples do not go to the IGI. PAF Insight searches only the IGI, but Family Insight also searches new FamilySearch. So you should be able to find the information in Family Insight, but not PAF Insight. ______________________________________________________________________ Gay Davis wrote: I have a number of name cards obtained on the old Temple Ready system. The end owments were done on 10 Mar in the Seattle Temple. When I try to pick up the ordinance information in PAF Insight or in Family Ins ight, it is not there. If I go into NFS and check the person's individual scre en for ordinances, the endowment is entered. Should they be posted on the IGI by now? Should I be able to pick them up on b oth PAF Insight and Family Insight? Thx. Gay Davis Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [1]LDS-WARD-CONSUL TANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-re quest@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subjec t and the body of the message _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [3]www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:5 4:00 References 1. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM 2. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com 3. http://www.avg.com/

I have a number of name cards obtained on the old Temple Ready system. The endowments were done on 10 Mar in the Seattle Temple. When I try to pick up the ordinance information in PAF Insight or in Family Insight, it is not there. If I go into NFS and check the person's individual screen for ordinances, the endowment is entered. Should they be posted on the IGI by now? Should I be able to pick them up on both PAF Insight and Family Insight? Thx. Gay Davis

I have over the years encountered a number of "roadblockers" in my family files. I found that the "slightly" extended family often were the answer to solving the road blocks - often the parents in the family went to live with some of their married children late in life and keeping track of siblings have helped me find many "lost" ancestors. Accuracy in record keeping is one of my main issues - write down the source and ALL the information like all witnesses, their occupations and place of living and often the extended searches were very brief. But I DID have seeming loop in loop searches. Most have been solved by time and effort. Helle -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Mary S. Scott (Michigan) Sendt: 5. april 2009 03:17 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 I agree that all of us have work to do. I do know that many members with long generations in the Church have to learn to be more creative in finding information to submit. My husband's family is an example of this situation. I do find names but they are usually from the siblings of the direct ancestors. This is okay as long as the rights of privacy are respected. I have a friend who has the same challenge. She is finally catching the vision that she can look to the relatives connected to her through the siblings of her ancestors. This is exciting for her but also for me. It took us a while to encourage her to look at the other relatives -- even though she really wanted to have a family file of her own. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple. ________________________________ From: Sue Barnsley <sbarnsley@shaw.ca> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:04:20 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 I believe it is a misnomer to believe that long time members have little work to do. I have been working with a number of members that are either 6 or 8 generation LDS and there is plenty of work for both of them to do. .... Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.440) Databaseversion: 6.12110 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.440) Databaseversion: 6.12110 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Separate the two William Millers. Each will be left with his wife and parents, and separated from the wrong spouse. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gay Davis" <grdavis@centurytel.net> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:03 PM To: "LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT" <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] NFS problem > In a situation where a man is entered into nfs with an incorrect wife, > what is the best way to correct that problem. One of my ward members has > an ancestor that has been put in with the wrong spouse who has the same > name as her real spouse. The person who has submittted the entry has not > claimed the entry, so he cannot be contacted. Should she enter a > different opinion, enter a dispute, or .....? > > Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and > K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple > documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this > William Miller. > > Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed > his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has > different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from > an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done > sealing the spouses. What is the best way to deal with this > problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse > for him? > Thx. > > Gay Davis > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One of my lines yielded the next generation back ONLY after I was nearing completion of making sure that all the grandkids had been completed in the temple. (We're talking early 1800s here, so I wasn't stepping on the rights of others to do closely related relatives.) I had gathered the information on the siblings' spouses and children as I gathered the direct line data since most lived within a shouting distance of each other, but hadn't done temple work for them. (I feel that you have to search all the kids' family groups to know where the aged parents are going to end up when they're too old to live on their own...and sometimes you have to search all the grandkids to find the parents.) As I got close to getting all those other grandkids' work done other than my "direct line" grandchildren, I came across the clues I needed to identify the next earlier generation. Now I just do that as a matter of course. Karen In a message dated 4/4/2009 11:29:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: How true, and these don't even look into those immediate 6-8 generationsto find missing ordinances to take care of. What's more, one of converts had his lines pretty much taken care of by distant cousins (New Mexico early Spanish, his direct ancestors are early settlers, including all founders of Albuquerque with exception of one monk were pretty much done) so he turned to the descendants of those ancestors to find them and get their work done. Keep on digging! David Samuelsen Sue Barnsley wrote: > I believe it is a misnomer to believe that long time members have little > work to do. I have been working with a number of members that are either 6 > or 8 generation LDS and there is plenty of work for both of them to do. One > of the members has had enough names for his immediate family and his > siblings and their families to do for the past 8 years. As a convert myself > I also have enough names to keep me busy. Unless someone in your family in > your lines has has done 4.2 million names back 20 generations, you have more > than enough to keep you busy. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

When dealing with cemeteries, don't forget to take a look at the sexton's records if you can. Not everyone had a stone, and some have been destroyed by vandals and the ravages of time. Our genealogy society here in Omaha is reading several local city cemeteries, and all but one has been cooperating with us and letting us have the interment data base. That way, those who don't have stones can be included in the transcription with their interment date (possible then to find an obit, perhaps), and also to include complete interment date for those who only put the year of death on the stone. (Sometimes cemeteries do both death and interment date on their records, but often it is only interment.) Karen In a message dated 4/4/2009 12:54:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: There is a source no one stopped to think and look. I am working on photos of gravemarkers for Centerville City Cemetery in Centerville, Utah One thing I can tell you.. There are MISSED ones even recent ones. Because I constantly checking nFS, WorldConnect, census for maiden surnames. Often I would turn up missing children and spouses in gravemarkers not found elsewhere. And often I would find the information to be incorrect in newFamilySearch because of wrong burial places. One example has a lady buried in western New York when in fact she did died there but was brought back to Massachusetts to be buried with family. That was 1828. A good source to check for them is http://gpp.jlconsulting.com/ 23 states now. W. David Samuelsen (running Utah, Oregon, New York and Massachusetts) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

In a situation where a man is entered into nfs with an incorrect wife, what is the best way to correct that problem. One of my ward members has an ancestor that has been put in with the wrong spouse who has the same name as her real spouse. The person who has submittted the entry has not claimed the entry, so he cannot be contacted. Should she enter a different opinion, enter a dispute, or .....? Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? Thx. Gay Davis

I agree with Helle. Researching information about the siblings of an ancestor can lead to more information coming forth for the actual ancestors. This happened to me a year or so ago. By researching census records in Pennsylvania, I found my 4th great-grandmother living with her youngest daughter (sister to my 3rd great-grandfather). This helped me trace the daughter's direct descendants and lead me to more submissions for temple ordinances. It also extended the timeline for my 4th great-grandmother. By researching the siblings, we have a more complete picture of the family. This leads to information we might not even know existed. Distant cousins, direct descendants of these siblings, often have stories, photographs, documents, and heirlooms we never saw previously. For those who are starting to do family history, they will learn so much if they approach the oldest living members of their families. It doesn't matter if the researcher has a long heritage in the Church or is a convert. The family stories, etc. can only be passed on to the younger generations if someone is willing to listen and love the older family members. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

I agree that all of us have work to do. I do know that many members with long generations in the Church have to learn to be more creative in finding information to submit. My husband's family is an example of this situation. I do find names but they are usually from the siblings of the direct ancestors. This is okay as long as the rights of privacy are respected. I have a friend who has the same challenge. She is finally catching the vision that she can look to the relatives connected to her through the siblings of her ancestors. This is exciting for her but also for me. It took us a while to encourage her to look at the other relatives -- even though she really wanted to have a family file of her own. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple. ________________________________ From: Sue Barnsley <sbarnsley@shaw.ca> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:04:20 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 130 I believe it is a misnomer to believe that long time members have little work to do. I have been working with a number of members that are either 6 or 8 generation LDS and there is plenty of work for both of them to do. ...

Actually it was Elder W. Grant Bangerter of the Presidency of the Seventy who had the experience with his family finding more names. He related the experience in his April 1982 General Conference address. Later, this talk by Elder Bangerter was mentioned in an article by George Durrant "Genealogy and Temple Work". Br. Durrant wrote: "I have heard some members say, “But our family names are all done.” It is all right to say such a thing as long as you realize you are only joking. Of this, Elder W. Grant Bangerter of the First Quorum of the Seventy, has said: “Your genealogy has not all been done. My own grandparents performed ‘all’ the temple work for their deceased relatives fifty-five years ago. Since that time our family has discovered sixteen thousand others.” (General Conference, April 1982.)" The family's discovery was actually 16,000 more names. Wow!! Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple