Hi The grandmother of a member of my Ward has just died and I'm not sure of the correct way to proceed with her work. I believe you have to wait a year before getting the work done but is there anything else I need to know? Thank you ~ Claire Ashton England Stake _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/

What is even better? the new system allow you to reserve the name to prevent distant relatives from doing it. David Samuelsen Claire smith wrote: > oooo right...thank you :o) > > ~ Claire > > Ashton England Stake > > > > >> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 04:29:35 -0600 >> From: dsam52@sampubco.com >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Processing the work for recently deceased family member >> >> nope, >> >> I found out if it is your own direct line, permission is not needed >> unless spouse is living, that is how I did work for both of my >> grandmothers a year after their deaths. Both grandfathers died years >> earlier. >> >> Different thing if it is siblings of grandparents. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Helle Thor Hirschmann wrote: >>> If there are a non-member generation (parent) of the member - then the >>> member need to ask permission before doing the work. >>> >>> Helle >>> Denmark >>> >>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>> Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Claire smith >>> Sendt: 8. april 2009 13:46 >>> Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>> Emne: [LDS-WC] Processing the work for recently deceased family member >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> The grandmother of a member of my Ward has just died and I'm not sure of the >>> correct way to proceed with her work. I believe you have to wait a year >>> before getting the work done but is there anything else I need to know? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> ~ Claire >>> >>> Ashton England Stake

Yes, there is a year's waiting time. In the meantime, you can assist the member in getting her into NFS so that when the year is up, it will be ready. Was she a member, just needing endowment & sealing, or will she need everything? When the year is up, proceed as for any other temple work and print out the request, and take it to the temple, OR the member can opt to have it done by the temple if that is more convenient. However, it's so special to do at least part of it yourself that if possible the ward member will probably want to do it (or at least be present if it's a grandson who is your ward member.) Karen In a message dated 4/8/2009 4:16:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, brer25@hotmail.com writes: Hi The grandmother of a member of my Ward has just died and I'm not sure of the correct way to proceed with her work. I believe you have to wait a year before getting the work done but is there anything else I need to know? Thank you ~ Claire Ashton England Stake _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

nope, I found out if it is your own direct line, permission is not needed unless spouse is living, that is how I did work for both of my grandmothers a year after their deaths. Both grandfathers died years earlier. Different thing if it is siblings of grandparents. David Samuelsen Helle Thor Hirschmann wrote: > If there are a non-member generation (parent) of the member - then the > member need to ask permission before doing the work. > > Helle > Denmark > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Claire smith > Sendt: 8. april 2009 13:46 > Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Emne: [LDS-WC] Processing the work for recently deceased family member > > > Hi > > > > The grandmother of a member of my Ward has just died and I'm not sure of the > correct way to proceed with her work. I believe you have to wait a year > before getting the work done but is there anything else I need to know? > > > > Thank you > > ~ Claire > > Ashton England Stake > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.440) > Databaseversion: 6.12140 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.440) > Databaseversion: 6.12140 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Also of the 2 Rebecca Bradfords. I have had to do that too to solve strange relationships. Then there are the problems created in days gone by Ancestral File combining wrong spouses and administrative gender changes of parents leaving the technicians in Salt Lake with “overnight gray hair”. Helle -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Gay Davis Sendt: 7. april 2009 12:33 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] Separating wrong spouse The parents of Rebecca Bradford are William Bradford and Sarah Gray as far as I know, but I will have to check with my student to be sure. I am not following you on this. Are you saying that you separated records for the two William Millers? William Miller and William C. Miller? / E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.440) Databaseversion: 6.12120 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

yes, turned out, has to go all the way to complete separations. before remerge, check to be sure it's right Rebecca Bradford or you will get William C. again. David Samuelsen Gay Davis wrote: > The parents of Rebecca Bradford are William Bradford and Sarah Gray as far as I know, but I will have to check with my student to be sure. > > I am not following you on this. Are you saying that you separated records for the two William Millers? William Miller and William C. Miller? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W. David Samuelsen > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Separating wrong spouse > > > the only solution was to separate every record of both. > > I was able to do so and when I got down to 2 records of each, keep > select both to separate because there are multiple records within 2 > merged records until there are no more records to separate. > > Now the only question is parents of Rebecca Bradford. Merge very > carefully not to take wrong Rebecca Bradford. > > David Samuelsen > > Gay Davis wrote: > > I could really use some help with this before my class on Tuesday evening. One of the students has an ancestor, REbecca Bradford, who is married to William Miller. They are entered into her pedigree correctly. However, Rebecca is shown married to a different William Miller in nfs. She has not combined these two entries. Her concern is how to separate Rebecca from this incorrect William Miller. > > > > > > Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. > > > > Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. The identity of the contributor is not shown. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? > > Thx. > > > > Gay Davis > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The parents of Rebecca Bradford are William Bradford and Sarah Gray as far as I know, but I will have to check with my student to be sure. I am not following you on this. Are you saying that you separated records for the two William Millers? William Miller and William C. Miller? ----- Original Message ----- From: W. David Samuelsen To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Separating wrong spouse the only solution was to separate every record of both. I was able to do so and when I got down to 2 records of each, keep select both to separate because there are multiple records within 2 merged records until there are no more records to separate. Now the only question is parents of Rebecca Bradford. Merge very carefully not to take wrong Rebecca Bradford. David Samuelsen Gay Davis wrote: > I could really use some help with this before my class on Tuesday evening. One of the students has an ancestor, REbecca Bradford, who is married to William Miller. They are entered into her pedigree correctly. However, Rebecca is shown married to a different William Miller in nfs. She has not combined these two entries. Her concern is how to separate Rebecca from this incorrect William Miller. > > > Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. > > Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. The identity of the contributor is not shown. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? > Thx. > > Gay Davis > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

the only solution was to separate every record of both. I was able to do so and when I got down to 2 records of each, keep select both to separate because there are multiple records within 2 merged records until there are no more records to separate. Now the only question is parents of Rebecca Bradford. Merge very carefully not to take wrong Rebecca Bradford. David Samuelsen Gay Davis wrote: > I could really use some help with this before my class on Tuesday evening. One of the students has an ancestor, REbecca Bradford, who is married to William Miller. They are entered into her pedigree correctly. However, Rebecca is shown married to a different William Miller in nfs. She has not combined these two entries. Her concern is how to separate Rebecca from this incorrect William Miller. > > > Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. > > Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. The identity of the contributor is not shown. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? > Thx. > > Gay Davis > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

there's a major problem, involving Rebecca Bradford's father. I'm skeptical of this one because who in right mind go from Plymouth, MA to Cecil co Maryland to marry a Catholic at the time? David Samuelsen Gay Davis wrote: > I could really use some help with this before my class on Tuesday evening. One of the students has an ancestor, REbecca Bradford, who is married to William Miller. They are entered into her pedigree correctly. However, Rebecca is shown married to a different William Miller in nfs. She has not combined these two entries. Her concern is how to separate Rebecca from this incorrect William Miller. > > > Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. > > Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. The identity of the contributor is not shown. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? > Thx. > > Gay Davis > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Who are parents of Rebecca Bradford? David Samuelsen Gay Davis wrote: > I could really use some help with this before my class on Tuesday evening. One of the students has an ancestor, REbecca Bradford, who is married to William Miller. They are entered into her pedigree correctly. However, Rebecca is shown married to a different William Miller in nfs. She has not combined these two entries. Her concern is how to separate Rebecca from this incorrect William Miller. > > > Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. > > Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. The identity of the contributor is not shown. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? > Thx. > > Gay Davis > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I could really use some help with this before my class on Tuesday evening. One of the students has an ancestor, REbecca Bradford, who is married to William Miller. They are entered into her pedigree correctly. However, Rebecca is shown married to a different William Miller in nfs. She has not combined these two entries. Her concern is how to separate Rebecca from this incorrect William Miller. Her ancestors are William Miller and Rebecca Bradford. (PID K2YW-LKF and K2YW-PZ7) and her Wm Miller's father is Abraham Miller. She has multiple documents verifying this marriage and no other and the identity of this William Miller. Someone has entered into nfs a William C. Miller (KH2F-D5Q) and claimed his spouse is the same Rebecca Bradford (K2YW-PZ7). This Wm Miller has different parents, Thomas Miller and Margaret. This information was from an Ancestral File entry and it appears that temple work has been done sealing the spouses. The identity of the contributor is not shown. What is the best way to deal with this problem--separating Wm C. Miller from Rebecca who is the incorrect spouse for him? Thx. Gay Davis

See: http://blog.genealogybank.com/2009/04/archivio-di-stato-state-archive-laquila.html

I know this may be getting a little afield of the original question, but as I've studied over the last few years about marriages, it seems that in many cultures -- some in modern times and some anciently -- there was no such thing as a marriage as we think of it, with an official ceremony and license. In some societies, people just paired off and started raising a family together. I used to think that our Judeo-Christian view of society must permeate all societies. But apparently it does not. People could have paired off, raised families, and were doing nothing "immoral" in their societal views. I would think that such families are just as valid for being an eternal family as those that are formed in our society by marriage vows. Gaylon susanne@katskraft.com wrote: > Such a quick response, thanks. I am a faithful follower of the conversations on this forum and consider all who participate far more knowledgable than me.I get so much out of the information here.. > > Regards, Susanne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: susanne@katskraft.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Cc: susanne@katskraft.com > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:04 PM > Subject: Sealing question... > > > Hello, > I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. > > contact susanne@katskraft.com > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Such a quick response, thanks. I am a faithful follower of the conversations on this forum and consider all who participate far more knowledgable than me.I get so much out of the information here.. Regards, Susanne ----- Original Message ----- From: susanne@katskraft.com To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Cc: susanne@katskraft.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Sealing question... Hello, I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact susanne@katskraft.com

Sorry to use the list for this but if Jill Crandall is out there-can you please email me? The email address I have for you is bouncing and I need to ask a question. Thanks, Carrie Taylor (carrotarms@verizon.net)

It would behoove us to encourage people to find out where the researcher's equivalent of Gretna Green was. Historically, Gretna Green was just over the Scottish border and many English elopements went there because English people could be married quickly and easily, compared to the expensive or drawn out processes for marrying in England. Many places had a similar place where people went to be married quickly & quietly. Omaha couples frequently went to Glenwood in Mills county, Iowa because the marriages weren't reported in Omaha papers, and it could be done quietly. Modern drive times are only a little over half an hour from here, but I'm given to understand there are quite a few that married there. In working on our own county marriage records, a lot of people married in Douglas Co that were from across the river in Iowa, or from many other places around the nation. If it happened here, I know that it happened elsewhere as well. And people may not think to check here for their marriage if a couple lived out of state, or even from quite a bit further west in Nebraska. I'm sure that the fact that one can not always find the marriage record is one of the reasons that the Church accepts a couple as married if they lived together & had children, whether the descendant can find a marriage record or not. It's also true that under common law, people were recognized as married if they are considered married by the community and are living as man and wife, especially with children, even if no formal ceremony of any kind was performed. Karen In a message dated 4/5/2009 9:05:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Karen's points are well taken and valuable. There are many times that there was a marriage but it just is hard to document. (My great-grandparents eloped from Chicago to Kenosha, Wisconsin. I could spend a long time looking for the marriage record in Chicago but would never find it there. It is in the county records for Kenosha County, Wisconsin.) In the question that was asked the child's parents were definitely not married. (See Suzanne's email below.) Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "Sahara346@aol.com" <Sahara346@aol.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:54:52 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... It might behoove us to remember that depending on the time period and area of the country the family was living in, they may have been married according to the social rules of the community, but no license issued because there was no courthouse, or perhaps the license was destroyed in a courthouse fire, or any number of things. We can't automatically assume because we can't find proof of the ceremony that there wasn't one. Sometimes there was, and sometimes there wasn't. Karen In a message dated 4/5/2009 6:41:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Yes, the father may be sealed to his biological parents -- even though they were never married. Before the father is sealed to his parents, their individual ordinances need to be completed (which has been done already) and then the couple need to be sealed together as husband and wife. We have discussed this issue on the list before but it is so important that it comes up regularly. The Church has given unmarried couples the opportunity to be sealed together -- especially if they have had children. We have been advised that the sealing ordinance is critical even though we do not always understand why and how it works for the protection of the children. We need to remember that we are not to judge but just perform the ordinances. So if a couple is unmarried and has children together, then they may be sealed together. This is dependent on rights of precedence and privacy for all the parties involved. Questions should probably be directed to a temple president, his counselors, or the temple recorder. They will always know the latest information and policies. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "susanne@katskraft.com" <susanne@katskraft.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:04:00 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... Hello, I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact susanne@katskraft.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

I had to chuckle wondering how in the world all the children are going to get sealed to parents otherwise since more than 50% of births in California are now to unwed parents :-) Michele In a message dated 4/5/2009 7:05:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Karen's points are well taken and valuable. There are many times that there was a marriage but it just is hard to document. (My great-grandparents eloped from Chicago to Kenosha, Wisconsin. I could spend a long time looking for the marriage record in Chicago but would never find it there. It is in the county records for Kenosha County, Wisconsin.) In the question that was asked the child's parents were definitely not married. (See Suzanne's email below.) Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "Sahara346@aol.com" <Sahara346@aol.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:54:52 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... It might behoove us to remember that depending on the time period and area of the country the family was living in, they may have been married according to the social rules of the community, but no license issued because there was no courthouse, or perhaps the license was destroyed in a courthouse fire, or any number of things. We can't automatically assume because we can't find proof of the ceremony that there wasn't one. Sometimes there was, and sometimes there wasn't. Karen In a message dated 4/5/2009 6:41:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: Yes, the father may be sealed to his biological parents -- even though they were never married. Before the father is sealed to his parents, their individual ordinances need to be completed (which has been done already) and then the couple need to be sealed together as husband and wife. We have discussed this issue on the list before but it is so important that it comes up regularly. The Church has given unmarried couples the opportunity to be sealed together -- especially if they have had children. We have been advised that the sealing ordinance is critical even though we do not always understand why and how it works for the protection of the children. We need to remember that we are not to judge but just perform the ordinances. So if a couple is unmarried and has children together, then they may be sealed together. This is dependent on rights of precedence and privacy for all the parties involved. Questions should probably be directed to a temple president, his counselors, or the temple recorder. They will always know the latest information and policies. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "susanne@katskraft.com" <susanne@katskraft.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 7:04:00 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Sealing question... Hello, I have a sister whose deceased father has been baptized and endowed...His parents had never married but did live together so can he be sealed to them as their son? His parent likewise have been baptized and endowed.. contact susanne@katskraft.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

If I understand it right from the KD that was sent (it didn't show up when sent to the whole group), if someone had the cards printed previously on the old Temple Ready system, but held them for awhile and then took them to a new FamilySearch temple, then they would not show up in the IGI. The same KD we sent you, #105682 can be accessed from the help center in new FamilySearch. Just do a search with that #. Yes, they would show up on the individual screen in nfs when you look at the lds ordinances for him/her. I'm not sure what you meant-----did you not also find them using Family Insight? You should because Family Insight searches new FamilySearch, whereas PAF Insight searches just the IIGI. The IIGI and new FamilySearch ordinance databases were the same until about 1 year and 9 months ago. Then they started differing after the rollout started with the St. Louis Temple. Anyway, that's how I understand it to be. If you give the name and the birthdate, and place, we will put it in PAF and try Family Insight on it. If it is a common name, give the PID, spouse, and parents, so when I search, I can be sure I have the right person. ______________________________________________________________________ Gay Davis wrote: Am I understanding this correctly? For temple districts who are already on nfs , ordinances done for names processed previously on the old Temple Ready system will NOT show up on the IGI? If they are not being updated on the IGI, shouldn't I be able to pick them up o n Family Insight which searches nfs? I am getting the ordinance information on either PAF Insight or FAMILY Insight. I do find it recorded on the individual screen in nfs if I bring up the individual's name and search the ordinances sc reen for him/her. These ordinances were done March 10, which is almost a month ago. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [1]LDS-WARD-CONSUL TANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-re quest@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subjec t and the body of the message _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [3]www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date: 04/05/09 10:5 4:00 References 1. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM 2. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com 3. http://www.avg.com/

Yes, that is correct. They were name cards run on the old TEmple ready system and I just got to the place where I could do the endowments which were done in the Seattle Temple on March 10. They do not show up using PAF Insight searching the IGI and I think that question has been answered. I understand that ordinance work done in my temple, since they are on nfs, will not show up on the IGI. I also ran the names using Family Insight. They did not show up. However, I am new at using Family Insight and I think I probably did not process the request correctly. I think the error in that procedure was mine and I am in the process of trying it again. I know the data is in nfs, I just have to learn to retrieve it, I think. Thanks for the clarification about the IGI. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Ordinance Information Available through PAF Insight and FAMILY INSIGHT If I understand it right from the KD that was sent (it didn't show up when sent to the whole group), if someone had the cards printed previously on the old Temple Ready system, but held them for awhile and then took them to a new FamilySearch temple, then they would not show up in the IGI. The same KD we sent you, #105682 can be accessed from the help center in new FamilySearch. Just do a search with that #. Yes, they would show up on the individual screen in nfs when you look at the lds ordinances for him/her. I'm not sure what you meant-----did you not also find them using Family Insight? You should because Family Insight searches new FamilySearch, whereas PAF Insight searches just the IIGI. The IIGI and new FamilySearch ordinance databases were the same until about 1 year and 9 months ago. Then they started differing after the rollout started with the St. Louis Temple. Anyway, that's how I understand it to be. If you give the name and the birthdate, and place, we will put it in PAF and try Family Insight on it. If it is a common name, give the PID, spouse, and parents, so when I search, I can be sure I have the right person. ______________________________________________________________________ Gay Davis wrote: Am I understanding this correctly? For temple districts who are already on nfs , ordinances done for names processed previously on the old Temple Ready system will NOT show up on the IGI? If they are not being updated on the IGI, shouldn't I be able to pick them up o n Family Insight which searches nfs? I am getting the ordinance information on either PAF Insight or FAMILY Insight. I do find it recorded on the individual screen in nfs if I bring up the individual's name and search the ordinances sc reen for him/her. These ordinances were done March 10, which is almost a month ago. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to [1]LDS-WARD-CONSUL TANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-re quest@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subjec t and the body of the message _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [3]www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date: 04/05/09 10:5 4:00 References 1. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM 2. mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com 3. http://www.avg.com/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My previous email should read that "I am NOT getting the ordinance information on either PAF Insight (IGI) or Family Insight (nfs).