How does one join this group. I tried the name you gave in the Yahoo groups search engine (which doesn't work very well) and could not come up with the group. ----- Original Message ----- From: W. David Samuelsen<mailto:dsam52@sampubco.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch Nancy Scott wrote: > Is there a way in Family Tree to just reserve one or more temple ordinances > like in NFS rather than all that are available to be done? I tried figuring > out how to do that but was unsuccessful. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio This is a question better asked at Labs_FamilyTree@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Labs_FamilyTree@yahoogroups.com> David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all, I found out for sure... Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not work. I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and reserve. David Samuelsen

Nancy Scott wrote: > Is there a way in Family Tree to just reserve one or more temple ordinances > like in NFS rather than all that are available to be done? I tried figuring > out how to do that but was unsuccessful. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio This is a question better asked at Labs_FamilyTree@yahoogroups.com David Samuelsen

Is there a way in Family Tree to just reserve one or more temple ordinances like in NFS rather than all that are available to be done? I tried figuring out how to do that but was unsuccessful. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 02:31 PM To: LDS Ward Consultant Subject: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch I have been on phone to the headquarters' engineers. There is a bug in the new system: The option for baptism in individual record (Add Information) contains a bug. In case there is no death or burial information, the system recognize the person as living even if it is over 400 years ago. Must select christening option to get around the problem. The engineers already are working on this bug to require system recognize the dates within baptism record. BTW, here's their specific requirement The individual was born more than 110 years ago. or The individual was married more than 100 years ago. in case of no death date. W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Family Tree Project (new name) you reserve the whole thing for ordinances, if you want to reserve selected ordinances, that has to be done in nFS Marian in Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Scott" <nascott@cinci.rr.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch > Is there a way in Family Tree to just reserve one or more temple > ordinances > like in NFS rather than all that are available to be done? I tried > figuring > out how to do that but was unsuccessful. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > Samuelsen > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 02:31 PM > To: LDS Ward Consultant > Subject: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch > > I have been on phone to the headquarters' engineers. > > There is a bug in the new system: > > The option for baptism in individual record (Add Information) contains a > bug. > > In case there is no death or burial information, the system recognize > the person as living even if it is over 400 years ago. > > Must select christening option to get around the problem. > > The engineers already are working on this bug to require system > recognize the dates within baptism record. > > BTW, here's their specific requirement > The individual was born more than 110 years ago. > or > The individual was married more than 100 years ago. > > in case of no death date. > > W. David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

But putting things in is not limited to the immediate relatives. I have some distant shirt tail kin that I've put in because I had the data. They're eligible for temple work by the standard of one year past death. They are not open to me yet as I don't have a close enough relationship to do them without either gaining permission (not easy to do since I don't know their family), so it's there for a closer relative, or when the time is expired, if nobody else has done it, I'll do it. Thing is, when I have complete data on some of these people, I'd rather have it where people can find it and maybe do their temple work. While my health issues are not, at present, life threatening, I also know that sometimes things can change in a big hurry. If such is the case that I can't after the expiration into open to do without closer relatives permission, the data is where someone can find it someday. I just wish I could do something about my growing list of "no known survivors" out of my obituary extractions. Karen In a message dated 4/10/2009 12:21:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hwhitcomb@gmail.com writes: Susanne brings up an interesting point. I remember going with the youth in my Ward and watching (and crying a bit) as a proxy was baptized for my grandmother. It was a great experience for me.. and for the other youth I later did the confirmation. It's a shame that I did not think ahead and reserve the work for my grandmother's siblings. There will have to be some controls in the software in nFS in the future to prevent such family squabbling (in this case between me and some distant cousins).. Until then.. (1) trick the system - but do the work after waiting one year or (2) don't submit to nFS until ready to do the work yourself. Alan W. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, <susanne@katskraft.com> wrote: > My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able to > do > his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, to > bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his > information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already > completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and many > of > her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled to > Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous > experience > . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track > sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well as > the dead. > > Just my little take on what's been discussed. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > > > Please do not misunderstand me. > > I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think > I > was. > > I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by > the > daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. > > The daughter still has the rights of precedence. > > Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that > the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. > > The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right > to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system > until after the one year period. > > I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. > > I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to > go > to the person we are struggling with about a matter. > > We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work > it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple > department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps > another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put > forth in a compassionate and logical way. > > Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to > her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the > letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, > the > presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. > > In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking > if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this > cousin. > > Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the > person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. > Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that > there > isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > > Oh, please! > > I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple > work for my own mother (or father). 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Thank you all for your advice and comments. They have been most helpful and I will pass them on to the person concerned. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Please do not misunderstand me. I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think I was. I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by the daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. The daughter still has the rights of precedence. Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system until after the one year period. I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to go to the person we are struggling with about a matter. We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put forth in a compassionate and logical way. Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, the presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this cousin. Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that there isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Oh, please! I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been on phone to the headquarters' engineers. There is a bug in the new system: The option for baptism in individual record (Add Information) contains a bug. In case there is no death or burial information, the system recognize the person as living even if it is over 400 years ago. Must select christening option to get around the problem. The engineers already are working on this bug to require system recognize the dates within baptism record. BTW, here's their specific requirement The individual was born more than 110 years ago. or The individual was married more than 100 years ago. in case of no death date. W. David Samuelsen

I agree with Susanne about the sealings. There is a good article about the importance of the sealing ordinance on this week's Meridian Magazine. Here is the link if any of you are interested. http: www.ldsmag.com/rescue/090408seal.html Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

If you're the one that put it in, you don't need to dispute it. You just go in and correct it. Karen In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:54:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, hwhitcomb@gmail.com writes: Might I suggest that you "trick" the system.. if need be. Enter an earlier death date, so the system will accept it... reserve the work, and then dispute yourself on the death date.. correct it with a simple explanation. Alan Whitcomb FHC Pamplona, Spain > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/9/2009 at 9:38 PM grdavis@centurytel.net wrote: > > >Those are good thoughts, Mary. The mother was of another faith but > >wanted her daughter to do her temple work. Her name and vitals have been > >entered into nfs by the cousin, including the death date. I don't think > >there is any way around this unless talking to the cousin as you suggest > >or taking with someone in Salt Lake is helpful. These situations are > >unfortunate. The ward member sobbed as she told me of her dilemma. She > >was very close to her mother. It reminded me of the importance of getting > >permission from next of kin before submitting names for temple work. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

Susanne brings up an interesting point. I remember going with the youth in my Ward and watching (and crying a bit) as a proxy was baptized for my grandmother. It was a great experience for me.. and for the other youth I later did the confirmation. It's a shame that I did not think ahead and reserve the work for my grandmother's siblings. There will have to be some controls in the software in nFS in the future to prevent such family squabbling (in this case between me and some distant cousins).. Until then.. (1) trick the system - but do the work after waiting one year or (2) don't submit to nFS until ready to do the work yourself. Alan W. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, <susanne@katskraft.com> wrote: > My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able to > do > his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, to > bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his > information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already > completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and many > of > her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled to > Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous > experience > . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track > sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well as > the dead. > > Just my little take on what's been discussed. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > > > Please do not misunderstand me. > > I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think > I > was. > > I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by > the > daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. > > The daughter still has the rights of precedence. > > Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that > the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. > > The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right > to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system > until after the one year period. > > I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. > > I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to > go > to the person we are struggling with about a matter. > > We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work > it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple > department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps > another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put > forth in a compassionate and logical way. > > Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to > her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the > letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, > the > presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. > > In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking > if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this > cousin. > > Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the > person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. > Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that > there > isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > > Oh, please! > > I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple > work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able to do his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, to bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and many of her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled to Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous experience . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well as the dead. Just my little take on what's been discussed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Please do not misunderstand me. I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think I was. I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by the daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. The daughter still has the rights of precedence. Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system until after the one year period. I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to go to the person we are struggling with about a matter. We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put forth in a compassionate and logical way. Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, the presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this cousin. Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that there isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Oh, please! I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Might I add, use the feedback to let them know of the problems. It is just a beta test yet and if the developers don't think about a problem it is up to us to let them know. Happy Easter everyone Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whitcomb" <hwhitcomb@gmail.com> To: <susanne@katskraft.com>; <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > Susanne brings up an interesting point. I remember going with the youth > in > my Ward and watching (and crying a bit) as a proxy was baptized for my > grandmother. It was a great experience for me.. and for the other youth > I > later did the confirmation. It's a shame that I did not think ahead and > reserve the work for my grandmother's siblings. > > There will have to be some controls in the software in nFS in the future > to > prevent such family squabbling (in this case between me and some distant > cousins).. Until then.. (1) trick the system - but do the work after > waiting > one year or (2) don't submit to nFS until ready to do the work yourself. > > Alan W. > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, <susanne@katskraft.com> wrote: > >> My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able to >> do >> his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, >> to >> bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his >> information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already >> completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and many >> of >> her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled to >> Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous >> experience >> . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track >> sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well >> as >> the dead. >> >> Just my little take on what's been discussed. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> >> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >> >> >> Please do not misunderstand me. >> >> I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't >> think >> I >> was. >> >> I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by >> the >> daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. >> >> The daughter still has the rights of precedence. >> >> Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that >> the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. >> >> The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the >> right >> to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the >> system >> until after the one year period. >> >> I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. >> >> I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to >> go >> to the person we are struggling with about a matter. >> >> We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot >> work >> it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple >> department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps >> another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put >> forth in a compassionate and logical way. >> >> Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to >> her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward >> the >> letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, >> the >> presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. >> >> In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and >> asking >> if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this >> cousin. >> >> Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the >> person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that >> opportunity. >> Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that >> there >> isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. >> >> Mary Scott >> Northville Ward >> Westland Michigan Stake >> >> Detroit Michigan Temple >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >> >> Oh, please! >> >> I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple >> work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. >> >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3998 (20090409) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Please do not misunderstand me. I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't think I was. I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by the daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. The daughter still has the rights of precedence. Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and that the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the right to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the system until after the one year period. I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us to go to the person we are struggling with about a matter. We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot work it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and temple department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, perhaps another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put forth in a compassionate and logical way. Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter to her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward the letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, the presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and asking if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this cousin. Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that opportunity. Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that there isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple   ________________________________ From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances Oh, please! I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying.

Oh, please! I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do temple work for my own mother (or father). If I said so, I would be lying. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:20 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > Sometimes I have seen submissions on NFS for people who have not been dead > a year. They are marked "not available" and no one can clear them. > > Was the mother a member? > > If so, she will be in NFS for everyone to see once the death date is > entered. > > If she wasn't a member, then the cousin has to enter her information. This > still would not give the cousin the right to do the ordinances. > > Perhaps the sister should ask to talk to someone who is a supervisor at > New FamilySearch. > > Meanwhile, she could express my love and admiration to the cousin. Before > tempers and feathers fly, tell this cousin how much she appreciates the > interest she has on doing her mother's work. Then the friend should > explain to the cousin that because this is her own mother, the friend > needs to do the work herself -- particularly since she wants to be sealed > to her parents. > > I would also put the cousins name on the prayer roll and/or pray and fast > for her. She is definitely out of bounds in trying to do the mother's > work. > > Nonetheless I think that the cousin should be lovingly taught about rights > of precedence and waiting for a year after someone dies. > > This is an example of how the adversary uses family history and temple > work to cause contention and hard feelings between members. > > Hope my feedback helps out in this situation. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Gay Davis grdavis@centurytel.net > > I have a ward member who wants to do her mother's temple work. ... > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I was discussing with the Winter Quarters Temple about getting my father's work done, they said it had to all be done through NFS until the sealing of child (me) to parents (he and my mother). Karen In a message dated 4/10/2009 12:35:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dcaallen@pacifier.com writes: >From the Help Center, question: How long do I need to wait until I do the temple work for a family member who recently died? Answer: TempleReady for Windows and the new Family Search will not clear a name on the one-year anniversary of the death date. Wait at least one year and one day to clear the name. Note: If this person is your sibling, parent, or child, you can take his or her name to the temple on a family group sheet, and workers at the temple can then clear the name for ordinances. If this isn't resolved between the ward member and her distant cousin so that the ward member can do her own mother's temple work, perhaps she can take the group sheet showing herself as a child to her parents and have it done this way. Still haven't found exactly what I was looking for. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/9/2009 at 11:13 PM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >If I can have my parents listed and visible to me - they are living and >not members, it can be done. > >David Samuelsen > >JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> So, at midnight on the one year anniversary of the date of the death, it > >> seems that your patron needs to be up and reserving. >> >> Michele >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

Systems can be overridden. Anything that can be programmed in the first place can be programmed to accept exceptions, if only by the programmers. Keep asking. I suppose that they don't trust her not to proceed with doing the work if they let it into "cleared" status, and unfortunately there are a few that probably would proceed if allowed to clear it prior to the one year. I guess the thing to do is to mark the date on the calendar and at midnight of the morning of the anniversary of her mother's death, get on the computer and reserve it before the cousin has a chance. Karen In a message dated 4/9/2009 11:39:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, grdavis@centurytel.net writes: I did contact Salt Lake and posed the question. I got the stock answer back that she should wait a year until the nfs program stated "Ready" for her mother and then she could reserve the work. They didn't really respond to my question which was whether or not she could reserve the work before the year was up. I resent my inquiry, explaining the situation, and received the following answer: "No, as explained in the previous answer, the system will not allow you to reserve ordinances for an individual before one year is up." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Weber To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances I would contact Salt Lake and explain the situation to them. They will be able to advise your ward member of things she can do to ensure that she can do her own mother's temple work. They may have a way of blocking the cousin. It would be interesting to the list to know the answer so would appreciate it if you could share the results of your conversation with Salt Lake. Thanks Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay Davis" <grdavis@centurytel.net> To: "LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT" <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >I have a ward member who wants to do her mother's temple work. She nursed >her mother through her illness and her mother passed away last month. She >has a distant, estranged cousin who is active on NFS and has said that she >is submitting the mother's name for temple work. Is it possible for the >ward member to reserve her mother's name for temple work prior to the one >year wait time? If not, are there other ways she can preserve her right to >do her mother's temple work? > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3997 (20090409) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

Might I suggest that you "trick" the system.. if need be. Enter an earlier death date, so the system will accept it... reserve the work, and then dispute yourself on the death date.. correct it with a simple explanation. Alan Whitcomb FHC Pamplona, Spain > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/9/2009 at 9:38 PM grdavis@centurytel.net wrote: > > >Those are good thoughts, Mary. The mother was of another faith but > >wanted her daughter to do her temple work. Her name and vitals have been > >entered into nfs by the cousin, including the death date. I don't think > >there is any way around this unless talking to the cousin as you suggest > >or taking with someone in Salt Lake is helpful. These situations are > >unfortunate. The ward member sobbed as she told me of her dilemma. She > >was very close to her mother. It reminded me of the importance of getting > >permission from next of kin before submitting names for temple work. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Keep in mind that I brought a new member's work on a FGS last month, and the Temple would not process the name(s). Do not reply on that knowledge document.. Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DC & Alice Allen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:33 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >From the Help Center, question: How long do I need to wait until I do the temple work for a family member who recently died? Answer: TempleReady for Windows and the new Family Search will not clear a name on the one-year anniversary of the death date. Wait at least one year and one day to clear the name. Note: If this person is your sibling, parent, or child, you can take his or her name to the temple on a family group sheet, and workers at the temple can then clear the name for ordinances. If this isn't resolved between the ward member and her distant cousin so that the ward member can do her own mother's temple work, perhaps she can take the group sheet showing herself as a child to her parents and have it done this way. Still haven't found exactly what I was looking for. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/9/2009 at 11:13 PM dsam52@sampubco.com wrote: >If I can have my parents listed and visible to me - they are living and >not members, it can be done. > >David Samuelsen > >JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> So, at midnight on the one year anniversary of the date of the death, it > >> seems that your patron needs to be up and reserving. >> >> Michele >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My experience with the Detroit Temple is that we are supposed to enter everything into New FamilySearch for living individuals before any necessary ordinances are done. As instructed by the temple staff, I recently helped a sister prepare her family's information on New FamilySearch. We then printed out a family group record for her to take to the temple. This was to help this sister and her husband and missionary son to receive their endowments. The couple and their two children were sealed together after the endowment session. The temple matron said they use the family group record to assist them as they  prepare the proper records on their end. However all ordinances are eventually done from family file cards generated by New FamilySearch. The main tool is always New FamilySearch. Family group records are only a tool to help the temple staff. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple