Carrie wrote: Okay, so what happens when you enter an earlier death date to get the name reserved and the distant relative sees the incorrect date and puts a dispute on the name? Won't that dispute need to be removed before the name can be done?? I don't know if the dispute would have to be removed, but the way to prevent that would be to print the FOR immediately upon entering the data. Once the FOR is printed, the work can be performed, regardless of what happens in the file after that. The problem with this is that the cousin can do exactly the same thing with a duplicate entry. In reality, there really is no way in NFS to have an exclusive reservation to perform the ordinances for a particular person. Even if the name has been reserved, someone can come along, add a duplicate entry, clear the work, perform the work, and merge the entry into the one that was cleared earlier. The entire system is based on honesty and following the rules. Anyone who does not respect and follow the guidelines is not prevented from doing what they choose. However, I'm sure the Lord will hold us accountable for our obedience and kindness to others. In my opinion, if someone is trying to "steal" the work from someone else--for whatever reason--I question their worthiness to attend the temple. That may sound harsh, but I consider it dishonest to take someone else's research and obtain the blessing of doing the work where the other person made the sacrifice of time and effort. Gay's situation is a friend who wants to do her mother's work. The woman has every right to share that sacred experience with her mother, and the cousin is totally out of line trying to "steal" that blessing from the daughter. I have also had situations where I have put in a great deal of research, submitted the names, and part way through completing the work, someone has taken my entries, submitted them again--including the dates of work I had finished--and then completed what was left before I had the chance to finish. I'm sure in TempleReady they just "lied" and said it was not the same as the previous entry, even though everything was exactly the same. Both of these circumstances are evidence of selfishness, dishonesty, and disobedience. We need to teach our members not only what the rules are, but to respect the rules, respect others, and be obedient. I doubt it's possible to "steal" blessings. The Lord knows our hearts. I have been in touch with Gay off the list, and I know she is working within the rules to help her friend. Since there is almost a year before the work will actually be done, perhaps we could all join them in prayer that the cousin's heart will be softened. Just some thoughts, Jill Crandell

I think the best bet is too check with her Bishop and get approval to do the work before the year is up. Lic -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Todeschini Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:11 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving Mother's Name? The distant relative might as well enter an even earlier date and "cheat the system more" and still "steal the ordinances." This is definitely a case to be in touch with the cousin (the contact information must be available) and have a frank conversation. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Carrie Taylor" <carrotarms@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:54 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] Reserving Mother's Name? > > Okay, so what happens when you enter an earlier death date to get the > name reserved and the distant relative sees the incorrect date and > puts a dispute on the name? Won't that dispute need to be removed > before the name can be done?? Just a thought...Carrie Taylor in VA > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Miles. That lesson 3 was very helpful. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: Miles Meyer To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FAMILY TREE I have a lesson plan that I put together on my website at http://milesmeyer.googlepages.com. Click on the Lesson Manuals link and it should be cloese to the top. Miles Meyer On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Gay Davis <grdavis@centurytel.net> wrote: > Is there someplace on the internet where you can find lessons or information on familysearch family tree? There doesn't seem to be any information on family tree itself. At least I don't see any. Thx Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. Joan in NC On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Sue Maxwell <smaxwl@earthlink.net> wrote: > You can find the Latin word list at familysearch.org by the following > link. > > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=WLLatin.asp > > SueM > > David wrote: > > Without knowing the context this is just a guess: > > > > SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies > there were female children. > > > > SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add > surviving. This implies there were male children that died. > > > > If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 > "Latin for Genealogical Research". > > > > David, San Diego District > > ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > > > SPMS > > SPM > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a lesson plan that I put together on my website at http://milesmeyer.googlepages.com. Click on the Lesson Manuals link and it should be cloese to the top. Miles Meyer On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Gay Davis <grdavis@centurytel.net> wrote: > Is there someplace on the internet where you can find lessons or information on familysearch family tree?  There doesn't seem to be any information on family tree itself.  At least I don't see any.  Thx

Is there someplace on the internet where you can find lessons or information on familysearch family tree? There doesn't seem to be any information on family tree itself. At least I don't see any. Thx

You can find the Latin word list at familysearch.org by the following link. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=WLLatin.asp SueM David wrote: > Without knowing the context this is just a guess: > > SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies there were female children. > > SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add surviving. This implies there were male children that died. > > If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 "Latin for Genealogical Research". > > David, San Diego District > ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > SPMS > SPM > >

Dear All I have only recently subscribed to LSD-WC and I have found it fascinating reading your contributions. It really gives me a feeling of belonging to a whole host of 'family' out there whose aims are the same as mine. I am still trying to get members onto nFS, let alone sort out who is going to do the work for their parents; so to get ahead with the problems that might come up is very helpful. I subscribe to what Karen says about putting in those who are not your immediate line relatives so that those closer relatives in their searches benefit from your data. While Temple ordinances are our prime reason for doing this work, on the way to achieving that is the linking with those living who have a connection with us in some way. The how? when? and where? really only evolve as one does the work ....is that not true? I look forward to being instructed further through this particular medium. Thanks Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sahara346@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances > But putting things in is not limited to the immediate relatives. I have > some distant shirt tail kin that I've put in because I had the data. > They're eligible for temple work by the standard of one year past death. > They > are not open to me yet as I don't have a close enough relationship to do > them > without either gaining permission (not easy to do since I don't know their > family), so it's there for a closer relative, or when the time is expired, > if nobody else has done it, I'll do it. Thing is, when I have complete > data on some of these people, I'd rather have it where people can find it > and > maybe do their temple work. While my health issues are not, at present, > life threatening, I also know that sometimes things can change in a big > hurry. If such is the case that I can't after the expiration into open > to do > without closer relatives permission, the data is where someone can find > it > someday. > > I just wish I could do something about my growing list of "no known > survivors" out of my obituary extractions. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 4/10/2009 12:21:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > hwhitcomb@gmail.com writes: > > Susanne brings up an interesting point. I remember going with the youth > in > my Ward and watching (and crying a bit) as a proxy was baptized for my > grandmother. It was a great experience for me.. and for the other youth > I > later did the confirmation. It's a shame that I did not think ahead and > reserve the work for my grandmother's siblings. > > There will have to be some controls in the software in nFS in the future > to > prevent such family squabbling (in this case between me and some distant > cousins).. Until then.. (1) trick the system - but do the work after > waiting > one year or (2) don't submit to nFS until ready to do the work yourself. > > Alan W. > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM, <susanne@katskraft.com> wrote: > >> My Father died during WWII and I had hoped that I would have been able >> to >> do >> his temple work. I worked very hard, especially not knowing his family, > to >> bring this about. It took years. When I was finally ready to submit his >> information I found out that his baptism and endowment was already >> completed. I was crushed...However, I assembled my mother's info and > many >> of >> her relatives and took them to the temple. A few years ago we traveled >> to >> Nauvoo and sealed my parents and myself to them. It was a marvelous >> experience >> . My point is that with disappoint can come great joy. We loose track >> sometimes of how wonderful sealings can really be for the living as well > as >> the dead. >> >> Just my little take on what's been discussed. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary S. Scott (Michigan)" <mscscott28@yahoo.com> >> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >> >> >> Please do not misunderstand me. >> >> I wasn't condoning what the cousin had done and hope someone doesn't > think >> I >> was. >> >> I was just reminding us that the mother's work would have to be added by >> the >> daughter or the cousin into NFS if the mother was not a member. >> >> The daughter still has the rights of precedence. >> >> Sister Davis then related to us that the mother was NOT a member and >> that >> the cousin had indeed entered the information into NFS. >> >> The cousin's entering of the information does NOT give the cousin the > right >> to reserve the work. The mother's work should not be reserved by the > system >> until after the one year period. >> >> I am not in favor of putting information into NFS to fool the system. >> >> I am in favor of following the counsel of the Savior who challenged us >> to >> go >> to the person we are struggling with about a matter. >> >> We can go to these other submitters as much as possible. If we cannot > work >> it out, then it is probably good to contact the family history and >> temple >> department as soon as is practical. If the daughter is too upset, >> perhaps >> another person could review the letter so her feelings and ideas are put >> forth in a compassionate and logical way. >> >> Sometimes a person with such a heartfelt concern should write a letter >> to >> her bishop or stake president. The priesthood leader will then forward > the >> letter to the appropriate priesthood authorities in the area presidency, >> the >> presidency of the seventy, or wherever necessary. >> >> In addition, I would not be above contacting the cousin's bishop and > asking >> if there is someone who can explain the rights of precedence to this >> cousin. >> >> Another thought: the one year waiting period is also a good time for the >> person who should be doing the ordinances to prepare for that > opportunity. >> Be sure that there is a valid temple recommend for instance -- so that >> there >> isn't any need to put off the ordinance one more day than necessary. >> >> Mary Scott >> Northville Ward >> Westland Michigan Stake >> >> Detroit Michigan Temple >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:15:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving ordinances >> >> Oh, please! >> >> I would NOT appreciate someone trying to jump in front of me to do >> temple >> work for my own mother (or father). 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I clearly think we are dealing with another church member who is not only NOT following the policies about consulting with closest relatives, but is mean-spirited to boot. In this case, I see no problem with your ward member entering the mother's name and "oops I made a typo on the death date" and reserving the work. Because the relative is uncooperative, I think your patron should move ahead quickly before this unkind relative beats her to it. The rules exist to protect people like your ward member, but obviously they are not doing it. She can take the matter into her own hands...but that's how I'd do it. This is a matter of "spirit of the law vs. letter of the law." Michele In a message dated 4/11/2009 11:08:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grdavis@centurytel.net writes: Lol. I don't know if it is a sin to lie to a computer, Alan, but my ward member is making this a subject of prayer. She is hesitant to go around any policies set by the church but had promised her mother she would do the work and wants very much to do it. It is a dilemma. Thanks for your suggestions and all the others. At least it appears there are some ways of circumventing the system if needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Whitcomb To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name If you won't adapt the death date to reserve it.. someone else might... Is it a sin to lie to a computer? Alan W. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > To all, > > I found out for sure... > > Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not work. > > I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. > > So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and > reserve. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

Doris, I am so sorry about the misunderstanding. I belong to one Labs group here is the name to subscribe Labs_FamilyTree_Project-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Could this be the one you are looking for? Janet -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DORIS BATEMAN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:24 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] subscribing to Yahoo Family tree group Hi Janet and all. Thanks for the info, but I am a member of this group and was replying to a comment that questions about Family Tree should be more appropriately addressed to a Yahoo group called Labs Family Tree@ Yahoo.com. I'm afraid I did not phrase my request clearly enough. I would like to join that Yahoo group and can not find it using the Yahoo groups search engine or the LabsFamilyTree@Yahoo.com<mailto:LabsFamilyTree@Yahoo.com>. Can anyone else help me out? And Janet, I am grateful for all you do to help out the Ogden FHC. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Ballingham<mailto:jballing@relia.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsw eb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] subscribing to group Hi Doris, This is not a Yahoo group it is part of rootsweb. At the bottom of the message are the instructions for subscribing. Here is the address: Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULT <mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM%3Cmailto:LDS-WA RD-CONSULT> ANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:ANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM>> Janet -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultan t-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DORIS BATEMAN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:51 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsw eb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch How does one join this group. I tried the name you gave in the Yahoo groups search engine (which doesn't work very well) and could not come up with the group. ----- Original Message ----- From: W. David Samuelsen<mailto:dsam52@sampubco.com<mailto:dsam52@sampubco.com>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsw <mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:lds-ward-consult ant@rootsw> eb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULT ANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTAN T-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lol. I don't know if it is a sin to lie to a computer, Alan, but my ward member is making this a subject of prayer. She is hesitant to go around any policies set by the church but had promised her mother she would do the work and wants very much to do it. It is a dilemma. Thanks for your suggestions and all the others. At least it appears there are some ways of circumventing the system if needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Whitcomb To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name If you won't adapt the death date to reserve it.. someone else might... Is it a sin to lie to a computer? Alan W. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > To all, > > I found out for sure... > > Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not work. > > I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. > > So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and > reserve. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forwarded this message to Doris but with the recent thread, I am not sure that she received it. Anyway, I am forwarding the message I received when I followed Bro. Samuelson's advice for anyone interested. I was able to successfully submit to subscribe by following #1 listed. They will confirm subscription via a Yahoo email address that I have for the purpose of using the Yahoo Groups. (They would not accept this one.) Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: Yahoo! Groups [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 09:06 AM To: nascott@cinci.rr.com Subject: Unable to deliver your message We are unable to deliver the message from <nascott@cinci.rr.com> to <Labs_FamilyTree@yahoogroups.com>. The email address used to send your message is not subscribed to this group. If you are a member of this group, please be aware that you may only send messages to this group using the email address(es) you have registered with Yahoo! Groups. If you would like to subscribe to this group: 1. visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Labs_FamilyTree/join -OR- 2. send email to Labs_FamilyTree-subscribe@yahoogroups.com For further assistance, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html

Without knowing the context this is just a guess: SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies there were female children. SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add surviving. This implies there were male children that died. If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 "Latin for Genealogical Research". David, San Diego District ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? SPMS SPM I appreciate any and all advice! Joan in NC Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

or to lie at all... Wait! I think it is! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Whitcomb" <hwhitcomb@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:12 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name > If you won't adapt the death date to reserve it.. someone else might... > > Is it a sin to lie to a computer? > > > Alan W. > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM, W. David Samuelsen > <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > >> To all, >> >> I found out for sure... >> >> Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not >> work. >> >> I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. >> >> So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and >> reserve. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There have been numerous occasions when the Lord has given exceptions to commandments--Nephi's beheading Laban, Israelites destroying Canaanites, Book of Mormon battle tactics, etc. The Lord knows our hearts and intents. I don't see a problem in changing a date which you will immediately correct in order to do your mother's temple work. The work will not be done until the year has passed. V Cazier, So FL -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Scott Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:13 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name I feel compelled to reply to this. When I left my abusive husband 12 years ago, my Counselor gave me the advice not to tell my husband that I might divorce him as I had told him that I might. This was honesty in its purest form. She became very concerned and said that she did not believe that he would kill me but she was concerned about my safety. I knew that she was right. When my husband asked me again if I planned to leave him, which he did on occasion, I replied that I did not plan to leave. When I truly did leave, he told the children that I left and took them but had lied to him about it. My 21 year old son who is now living with myself and my new husband mentioned this fact recently which had been mentioned on occasion before. I brought up the story about Abraham who said that Sarah was not his wife and had been instructed to, of all things, to lie. Was it a sin? I had more than one blessing from the Priesthood that the Lord was watching over me and had protected me when I left my ex-husband. Did I lie? I would say, "Yes." Was it a sin? I believe that only the Lord knows the intents of our hearts and whether or not the actions we take are sins in all circumstances. Just my opinion. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Todeschini Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 09:38 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name or to lie at all... Wait! I think it is! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Whitcomb" <hwhitcomb@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:12 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name > If you won't adapt the death date to reserve it.. someone else might... > > Is it a sin to lie to a computer? > > > Alan W. > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM, W. David Samuelsen > <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > >> To all, >> >> I found out for sure... >> >> Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not >> work. >> >> I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. >> >> So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and >> reserve. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I feel compelled to reply to this. When I left my abusive husband 12 years ago, my Counselor gave me the advice not to tell my husband that I might divorce him as I had told him that I might. This was honesty in its purest form. She became very concerned and said that she did not believe that he would kill me but she was concerned about my safety. I knew that she was right. When my husband asked me again if I planned to leave him, which he did on occasion, I replied that I did not plan to leave. When I truly did leave, he told the children that I left and took them but had lied to him about it. My 21 year old son who is now living with myself and my new husband mentioned this fact recently which had been mentioned on occasion before. I brought up the story about Abraham who said that Sarah was not his wife and had been instructed to, of all things, to lie. Was it a sin? I had more than one blessing from the Priesthood that the Lord was watching over me and had protected me when I left my ex-husband. Did I lie? I would say, "Yes." Was it a sin? I believe that only the Lord knows the intents of our hearts and whether or not the actions we take are sins in all circumstances. Just my opinion. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Todeschini Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 09:38 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name or to lie at all... Wait! I think it is! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Whitcomb" <hwhitcomb@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:12 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] reserving mother's name > If you won't adapt the death date to reserve it.. someone else might... > > Is it a sin to lie to a computer? > > > Alan W. > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM, W. David Samuelsen > <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > >> To all, >> >> I found out for sure... >> >> Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not >> work. >> >> I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. >> >> So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and >> reserve. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? SPMS SPM I appreciate any and all advice! Joan in NC

Hi Janet and all. Thanks for the info, but I am a member of this group and was replying to a comment that questions about Family Tree should be more appropriately addressed to a Yahoo group called Labs Family Tree@ Yahoo.com. I'm afraid I did not phrase my request clearly enough. I would like to join that Yahoo group and can not find it using the Yahoo groups search engine or the LabsFamilyTree@Yahoo.com<mailto:LabsFamilyTree@Yahoo.com>. Can anyone else help me out? And Janet, I am grateful for all you do to help out the Ogden FHC. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Ballingham<mailto:jballing@relia.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] subscribing to group Hi Doris, This is not a Yahoo group it is part of rootsweb. At the bottom of the message are the instructions for subscribing. Here is the address: Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULT<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM%3Cmailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULT> ANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:ANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM>> Janet -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DORIS BATEMAN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:51 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch How does one join this group. I tried the name you gave in the Yahoo groups search engine (which doesn't work very well) and could not come up with the group. ----- Original Message ----- From: W. David Samuelsen<mailto:dsam52@sampubco.com<mailto:dsam52@sampubco.com>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsw<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsw> eb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Doris, This is not a Yahoo group it is part of rootsweb. At the bottom of the message are the instructions for subscribing. Here is the address: Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULT ANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> Janet -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DORIS BATEMAN Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:51 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch How does one join this group. I tried the name you gave in the Yahoo groups search engine (which doesn't work very well) and could not come up with the group. ----- Original Message ----- From: W. David Samuelsen<mailto:dsam52@sampubco.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsw eb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Bug in NewFamilySearch

If you won't adapt the death date to reserve it.. someone else might... Is it a sin to lie to a computer? Alan W. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > To all, > > I found out for sure... > > Reservation of names of those who died less than a year ago, will not work. > > I tried with my friend whose mother died last Jan. > > So it is one year and 1 day (meaning just past 365 days) to grab and > reserve. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >