Thank you all for your responses, but I believe I need to clarify my comments from this morning. I agree with all that has been said about feeling possessive of our ancestors and remembering that these are God's children. I absolutely agree. If I was not clear this morning, this was not what I was referring to. I have never resented finding other family members contributing to the work. I think that's wonderful! I have never resented finding work done through extraction. Sometimes that extracted record is what helps me move through to the next step. Realize, I don't have hundreds of names at a time to submit. I come from a long line of LDS members, as does my husband. It can take me years of work to locate a handful of ordinances that need to be completed. At that point, yes, I want the blessing that is predicated upon the sacrifice. I don't think that's wrong. What I was describing was a family member who, rather than doing research in order to provide ordinances for their family, was "mining" the IGI and completing ordinances that someone else had researched and submitted. You'll have a hard time convincing me that that practice is appropriate. If our family members' work is in progress, we celebrate and move the work forward for additional family members. I can't think of any circumstance that it would be loving, kind, honest, or selfless to hurry quick and do the ordinances for a family member when the work is already in process. That is why this experience of mine triggered in my mind in association with Gay's email question. The cousin was trying to hurry up and do ordinance work before the daughter had a chance--the daughter who is the nearest living relative and should be doing the work for her own mother. My situation was not a close relative, and honestly, I don't resent the people who did the ordinance work I had cleared. I was sad that I had lost that opportunity, but I deleted the ordinances left on my cards and moved on with more research. I only shared this so that we can all continue to teach our hearts out as we train our ward members. We need to teach and respect the guidelines, and we need to do this work in love for our families--living and dead. That's the bottom line, and I hope I wasn't misunderstood earlier today. I'm not a resentful person. :-) Jill Crandell

Maybe the Latin is not "out to lunch." Who put the abbreviations there? They might not have known what it meant, either, and just assumed it might be a place. Or they might have known, but could not think of another place to put (such as source or notes). I think it boils down to "where did this information come from?" -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter" <Family.History.Research@shaw.ca> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:27 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo: Help with abbreviations > At 07:51 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >>OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name >>fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what >>place SPMS or SPM might be. >> David, San Diego District >> >>---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: >>Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? >> > > SPMS >> > > SPM >>and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: >> They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It >> doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why >> I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. >> Joan in NC > > Joan, maybe if you let us know the surnames and other places for this > family maybe that will provide clues or at least will narrow down the > possibilities? > > > Groetjes > Peter > > "Dutch Indians wear wooden moccasins" > - Fred J. Eaglesmith > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

yes, Ancestral File, too. I was able to clean my mistakes out of my old AF submissions. David Samuelsen Paula Goodfellow wrote: > Can anyone make changes to problems from Ancestral File? I thought it > was only Pedigree Resource File stuff that could be changed, after > you've claimed the submission as your own. But it's been awhile since > I checked into it. Paula > On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Peter wrote: > >> At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was >>> contributed >>> to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who >>> lives in >>> Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very >>> happy to >>> work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >>> possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >>> contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until >>> she has >>> access? >>> >>> Doris Bateman >> No and yes. >> No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" >> Yes she has to wait. >> >> >> Groetjes >> Peter >> >> At least egoist don't gossip....... >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Brothers and Sisters, This conversation lately about stealing names has struck me significantly and I thought I would share a thought that has come to my mind. Over the years I have done a lot of research and also a lot of temple work. I considered the people I had researched as my property. Recently I have come to realized that they really are not "mine" but Heavenly Father's and His work needs to be done. After submitting hundreds of names to the temple family files I finally realized that I could not possibly do all the work myself, even if I worked through the Millennium to do it...so I contributed the files to the temple. I am still doing research and trying to clean up my inaccuracies since we are on NFS but most of my researched names I am contributing to the temple because the important thing is to get the ordinances completed, even if they are close relatives. A mother, well, I do think the daughter should have that option, but even if someone else unkindly stepped in and completed the ordinances, at least the work is complete and the mother is now happy. Sometimes I think our need for "ownership" clouds our vision of what this work is about. I hope this does not sound too harsh, and that people realize it took me a while to get to this place, but I am happier and much more calmed and relaxed about the work. The burden is being shared around the world by generous people who serve with joy in temples in many lands, for which I am extremely grateful. With best wishes for all, Pattie

Good to know. Although some of the mistakes with my Danes are probably gonna be horrible to clear up. Too many with the same name, but from totally different parts of the country got merged. Paula On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > yes, Ancestral File, too. I was able to clean my mistakes out of my > old > AF submissions. > > David Samuelsen > > Paula Goodfellow wrote: >> Can anyone make changes to problems from Ancestral File? I thought it >> was only Pedigree Resource File stuff that could be changed, after >> you've claimed the submission as your own. But it's been awhile since >> I checked into it. Paula >> On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Peter wrote: >> >>> At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was >>>> contributed >>>> to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who >>>> lives in >>>> Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very >>>> happy to >>>> work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >>>> possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >>>> contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until >>>> she has >>>> access? >>>> >>>> Doris Bateman >>> No and yes. >>> No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" >>> Yes she has to wait. >>> >>> >>> Groetjes >>> Peter >>> >>> At least egoist don't gossip....... >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

To Peter--thanks for the answers to my question. To Paula--My understanding is that changes can not be made directly to the ancestral file, but when that error shows up in New Family Search, it can be changed by the person who submitted it, if they claim the Ancestral File contribution, which is called a Legacy contribution in NFS. But that is assuming the error wasn't copied and submitted by a zillion other people. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Goodfellow<mailto:sootica@mac.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] NFS question Can anyone make changes to problems from Ancestral File? I thought it was only Pedigree Resource File stuff that could be changed, after you've claimed the submission as your own. But it's been awhile since I checked into it. Paula On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Peter wrote: > At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was >> contributed >> to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who >> lives in >> Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very >> happy to >> work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >> possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >> contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until >> she has >> access? >> >> Doris Bateman > > No and yes. > No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" > Yes she has to wait. > > > Groetjes > Peter > > At least egoist don't gossip....... > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is a wonderful experience to do the work for family that you knew in this life - and feel their spirit with you in the Temple. But your right.. someone who is doing the work even though it is a first cousin once removed .. who never knew the person will get the same experience. Alan W. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kathy Scott <kathyscott1@ntlworld.com>wrote: > Dear All > With great understanding of all points of view hitherto mentioned here on > the subject of protecting one's own family ordinances, I agree with > Patricia > even though I have felt an initial resentment when I have found a > reasonably > close relative in my direct line has had the work done through the > extraction program. It is good that we should feel possessive of our > ancestors but we must not forget what this is all about. With the work > widening out across the world this is a great opportunity to 'meet up' with > others who are as passionate about the work for mankind as we are. > I love the enthusiasm of you guys! > Kathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia A. Crossett" <Patricia.A.Crossett@Dartmouth.EDU> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:08 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] stealing names thought > > > > Dear Brothers and Sisters, > > > > This conversation lately about stealing names has struck me significantly > > and > > I thought I would share a thought that has come to my mind. Over the > > years I > > have done a lot of research and also a lot of temple work. I considered > > the people > > I had researched as my property. Recently I have come to realized that > > they really > > are not "mine" but Heavenly Father's and His work needs to be done. > After > > submitting > > hundreds of names to the temple family files I finally realized that I > > could not > > possibly do all the work myself, even if I worked through the Millennium > > to do > > it...so I contributed the files to the temple. I am still doing research > > and > > trying to clean up my inaccuracies since we are on NFS but most of my > > researched > > names I am contributing to the temple because the important thing is to > > get the > > ordinances completed, even if they are close relatives. A mother, well, > I > > do > > think the daughter should have that option, but even if someone else > > unkindly > > stepped in and completed the ordinances, at least the work is complete > and > > the > > mother is now happy. > > > > Sometimes I think our need for "ownership" clouds our vision of what this > > work > > is about. I hope this does not sound too harsh, and that people realize > > it took > > me a while to get to this place, but I am happier and much more calmed > and > > relaxed > > about the work. The burden is being shared around the world by generous > > people > > who serve with joy in temples in many lands, for which I am extremely > > grateful. > > > > With best wishes for all, > > Pattie > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was contributed >to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who lives in >Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very happy to >work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until she has >access? > >Doris Bateman No and yes. No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" Yes she has to wait. Groetjes Peter At least egoist don't gossip.......

OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what place SPMS or SPM might be. David, San Diego District P.S. Sue Maxwell, Thanks for the on-line Latin Location ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > SPMS > > SPM and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. Joan in NC > David wrote: > > Without knowing the context this is just a guess: SPM = sine prole mascala Latin for without progeny male. This implies there were female children. > > SPMS = sine prole mascala supersite. Latin again, see above, and add surviving. This implies there were male children that died. > > > > If you have a Family History Center close check their fiche for 6070611 "Latin for Genealogical Research". > > David, San Diego District On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Sue Maxwell <smaxwl@earthlink.net> wrote: > You can find the Latin word list at familysearch.org by the following > link. > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=WLLatin.asp > > SueM

At 08:38 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >I have recently located my 5th great grandfather's marriage certificate in >Sicily. The marriage certificate is in Latin. His father's name is >Francesco, while the mother's name is recorded as "Didacq." This is not a >misspelling, nor does it resemble any name. I happened to glance at the >next marriage entry on the manuscript, and a totally non-related woman is >also listed as "Didacq." >Does anyone have a clue or suggestion? >Thanks for your help, >Denise Just some very wild guesses : Could it have come from? dictus = mentioned before dicto loco = from this place attestor quod = what I witnessed Could you post the complete sentence so there would be some reference to context? Groetjes Peter Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

You might be very right. But the impression I got from the help people once was that ancestral file was so messed up that those couldn't be changed. And, my guess is that many of those submitters are no longer with us-- of course their descendants could claim the submissions. Paula On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:32 AM, DORIS BATEMAN wrote: > To Paula--My understanding is that changes can not be made directly > to the ancestral file, but when that error shows up in New Family > Search, it can be changed by the person who submitted it, if they > claim the Ancestral File contribution, which is called a Legacy > contribution in NFS. But that is assuming the error wasn't copied > and submitted by a zillion other people

Good thoughts, Jill, thanks for sharing them. Everything IS based on honesty, down to our temples assuming we have permission from nearest kin to do the work for those born within the last 95 years. We aren't asked to provide written proof, it is assumed that as temple-worthy members, we are honest when we say we have the permission. I don't know if the Church will ever change their policy regarding permission (asking for written permission, that is), but our Father in Heaven will know the intent of our hearts and whether we are truly honest. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/13/2009 at 8:10 AM jncrandell@broadweave.net wrote: <snip> >The entire system is based on honesty and following the rules. Anyone who >does not respect and follow the guidelines is not prevented from doing what >they choose. However, I'm sure the Lord will hold us accountable for our >obedience and kindness to others. In my opinion, if someone is trying to >"steal" the work from someone else--for whatever reason--I question their >worthiness to attend the temple. That may sound harsh, but I consider it >dishonest to take someone else's research and obtain the blessing of doing >the work where the other person made the sacrifice of time and effort. > <snip>

The distant relative might as well enter an even earlier date and "cheat the system more" and still "steal the ordinances." This is definitely a case to be in touch with the cousin (the contact information must be available) and have a frank conversation. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Carrie Taylor" <carrotarms@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:54 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] Reserving Mother's Name? > > Okay, so what happens when you enter an earlier death date to get the name > reserved and the distant relative sees the incorrect date and puts a > dispute > on the name? Won't that dispute need to be removed before the name can be > done?? Just a thought...Carrie Taylor in VA > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some of my relatives used the place fields in PAF very creatively--one used it to record the wills she found and the dates, instead of putting them in sources and notes, and one relative, if she did not know where someone was from, put "Lost" in the place field. Others, knowing the ancestor was from Dorset, England, added that info. So AF, PRF, and NFS have a lot of my people recorded as being from Lost, Dorset, England; Lost, Malmo, Sweden; Lost, Yorkshire, England; etc. ( none of which have ever existed.) I can laugh now about how hard I looked for those places until I suddenly realized what had happened. I would suspect that your abbreviations are someone's personal shorthand for something they knew about the person and might not even relate to a geographical place you can identify. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter<mailto:Family.History.Research@shaw.ca> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo: Help with abbreviations At 07:51 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name >fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what >place SPMS or SPM might be. > David, San Diego District > >---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com<mailto:joanie13@gmail.com>> wrote: >Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > > SPMS > > > SPM >and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com<mailto:joanie13@gmail.com>> wrote: > They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It > doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why > I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. > Joan in NC Joan, maybe if you let us know the surnames and other places for this family maybe that will provide clues or at least will narrow down the possibilities? Groetjes Peter "Dutch Indians wear wooden moccasins" - Fred J. Eaglesmith Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone make changes to problems from Ancestral File? I thought it was only Pedigree Resource File stuff that could be changed, after you've claimed the submission as your own. But it's been awhile since I checked into it. Paula On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Peter wrote: > At 08:52 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was >> contributed >> to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who >> lives in >> Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very >> happy to >> work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is >> possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her >> contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until >> she has >> access? >> >> Doris Bateman > > No and yes. > No you can not be a helper and claim legacy for the "helpee" > Yes she has to wait. > > > Groetjes > Peter > > At least egoist don't gossip....... > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Everyone. I have just found an major error in NFS that was contributed to Ancestral file by a person I can recognize as my cousin who lives in Utah and does not yet have access. I am sure she would be very happy to work with me to make the correction, she is a real sweetie. Is is possible for me to sign on as helping her and have her claim her contribution and make the change now, or do we have to wait until she has access? Doris Bateman

Approval for that is not going to come from the Bishop. This is the Church's policy. You don't get "permission" to do the work earlier than one year. You have to find some way of making sure the information is reserved for the child of the individual since she want's to do it. We must teach our people the right of precedence, and to respect it. Karen In a message dated 4/13/2009 8:18:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, coleli@sbcglobal.net writes: I think the best bet is too check with her Bishop and get approval to do the work before the year is up. Lic -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Todeschini Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:11 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Reserving Mother's Name? The distant relative might as well enter an even earlier date and "cheat the system more" and still "steal the ordinances." This is definitely a case to be in touch with the cousin (the contact information must be available) and have a frank conversation. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Carrie Taylor" <carrotarms@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:54 AM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] Reserving Mother's Name? > > Okay, so what happens when you enter an earlier death date to get the > name reserved and the distant relative sees the incorrect date and > puts a dispute on the name? Won't that dispute need to be removed > before the name can be done?? Just a thought...Carrie Taylor in VA > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001)

At 07:51 AM 13/04/2009, you wrote: >OK everyone; this is open again - With the abbreviations in place name >fields then the Latin is out to lunch. Personally I have no idea what >place SPMS or SPM might be. > David, San Diego District > >---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: >Does anyone know what the following abbreviations mean? > > > SPMS > > > SPM >and later ---- Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > They are in place name fields in some PAF data I'm looking at. It > doesn't look like any place abbreviations I've seen before, so that's why > I asked the list. Sorry I didn't clarify where I saw the abbreviations. > Joan in NC Joan, maybe if you let us know the surnames and other places for this family maybe that will provide clues or at least will narrow down the possibilities? Groetjes Peter "Dutch Indians wear wooden moccasins" - Fred J. Eaglesmith

Okay, so what happens when you enter an earlier death date to get the name reserved and the distant relative sees the incorrect date and puts a dispute on the name? Won't that dispute need to be removed before the name can be done?? Just a thought...Carrie Taylor in VA

I have recently located my 5th great grandfather's marriage certificate in Sicily.  The marriage certificate is in Latin.  His father's name is Francesco, while the mother's name is recorded as "Didacq."  This is not a misspelling, nor does it resemble any name.  I happened to glance at the next marriage entry on the manuscript, and a totally non-related woman is also listed as "Didacq."  Does anyone have a clue or suggestion? Thanks for your help, Denise