I am pretty sure that it is the latin meaning. People put all sorts of things in the fields if they don't know where else to put them. Just yesterday I found "killed by Indians" in the death place. I also found "+" in the names fields and someone else put "never married" in the location. I could look all day and never find a place called "Killed by Indians" or "Never married". And I am pretty sure that you won't find a place called "spm" or "spms". Miles Meyer On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > I agree with you, but people are stumped because the abbreviation appears in > the "place name" field. I say it is a mistake, or maybe people did not know > where to put the information, or maybe they didn't know what the > abbreviation meant and assumed it was a place.

So that's what "spm" also means? Dying without male heirs? Joan in NC On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:34 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > spms refers not to places, but to the Latin terms describing the dying > without male heirs > > much like when we used d.y. to mean died young. > > clear as mud? > > W. David Samuelsen > > DC & Alice Allen wrote: > > I seem to remember, way back when I was a newbie genealogist, that we > abbreviated county names if they were long. Usually 4 letters, often > leaving out the vowels. This may be an abbreviation of England's equivelant > of a county. > > > > Looking at my mother-in-law's Book of Remembrance, she has some family > group sheets copyrighted 1972, with a separate column for county that is > very, very small. There are also group sheets copyrighted 1941 which has > one column for city and county, and a separate column for state or country. > > > > Alice Allen > > Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant > > Vancouver WA Stake > > Portland OR Temple District > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > > > On 4/14/2009 at 5:33 AM slandersen51@att.net wrote: > > > >> A web search shows this info at this site > >> > >> http://www.webpak.net/~cdm2/kimball/pafg75.htm Perhaps you can get in > >> touch with this person and see if they know what or where "Spsm" is. I > >> wonder if it might be a battle field. > >> > >> Susan Andersen, Lancaster, Ohio > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Jill, that was a nice short cut answer to my query. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Time limit > Kathy wrote: > As a consultant who is in the process of starting members, old and new, > off > onto nFS, would it be a wise thing, when the moment arises, to suggest to > them that they limit the number of their requests for doing the ordinance > work? > > Following are the current instructions in New FamilySearch: > > Guidelines for Reserving Ordinances > > As you reserve ordinances, be aware of a few guidelines. > > * Reserve ordinances only if you feel reasonably sure that you can get > them > done. It is recommended that you reserve only enough ordinances for a few > trips to the temple. > * Before you reserve ordinances for individuals who were born in the last > 95 > years, please get permission from the closest living relative. The closest > living relatives are, in this order: spouse, then children, then parents, > then siblings. > * There is no limit on the amount of time that ordinances can be on your > reserved list, but try to get them done in a timely manner. > * If you have many ancestors who need ordinances, we recommend that you do > not print large numbers of family ordinance cards to give to others. It is > very easy for cards to be lost. And even though you can reprint lost > cards, > there is a risk that the ordinances will be done again if the original > cards > are found. > > Instead, we recommend that you add your ancestors to FamilySearch. Do > not reserve the ordinances. Encourage your relatives to use FamilySearch > to > select and reserve the ordinances that they would like to do. > Note: You can still print cards and give them to others, but we > recommend that you print only small numbers to use in situations like > these: > o The people who help you with ordinances do not use the Internet. > o The people who help you with ordinances live in a temple district where > FamilySearch is not yet available. > o People will help you with ordinances only if you give them cards. > o If you reserve ordinances and then find that you cannot do them, please > use FamilySearch to request that the temple provide the proxies for you. > > Hope this is helpful, > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*s.p.m.* - [Latin] *sine prole mascula*; without male offspring Renee Zamora www.harrisena.com

Well, Dave, if you are following this thread, people "gave up" on the Latin explanation because the abbreviations appear in place names. I am trying to say yhe Latin holds regardless of the field where it was entered. -------------------------------------------------- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:34 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo: Help with abbreviations > it's not a mistake. It is genealogical standard for ages. Even the > strict standards has these in the places. > > David Samuelsen > > Jorge Todeschini wrote: >> I agree with you, but people are stumped because the abbreviation appears >> in >> the "place name" field. I say it is a mistake, or maybe people did not >> know >> where to put the information, or maybe they didn't know what the >> abbreviation meant and assumed it was a place. > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I keep my slips in a photo album that's pocket size. I can put them in according to what needs to be done: baptisms, initiatory, endowment, sealings, and pull them out according to what I am going to be doing on a given day. Karen In a message dated 4/14/2009 12:50:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shannasjones@msn.com writes: I have an index card box that I bought years ago to file my cards. I thought I got it at Deseret Book but I just did a search at both Deseret Book and Seagull Book and Google and cannot find it anywhere. Anyway, it is an index box with dividers in it, the 3 x 5 size. I'll explain it so you can make your own. The first card, printed on card stock says: THE TEMPLE BOX Today this box caught my eye, A place to fill with names and places, Of those who have made my life, Those whose past my present traces. Excitement builds beyond the veil Each time this box leaves this shelf. Will my card be taken to the temple today? Will my work finally be complete? I've waited years for this day-- Will you unlock temple doors for me? There are thirteen other dividers. One says Baptisms, then Male and Female Then Initiatory, then Male and Female Then Endowment, then Male and Female Then Sealing, then Sons, Daughters and Couples I looked at each one and there is no copyright or ordering information to find this box again. It is nicely done, each Baptism, Initiatory, Endowment and Sealing card has a nice picture and a verse on it. The Male and Female cards are blue and pink like the temple cards. You place your cards behind each of the cards to keep track of them. Then you can easily see when you have enough sealings to do for a session, or if you need to still do some initiatory work, etc. If any of you know where we can order more of these, please let me know. I've had mine so long the plastic lid has broken off from wear. They would make great gifts or even a good Relief Society Enrichment project to make them. Shanna Jones Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001)

this terminology shows up only in pre-1500 time period. Rarely seen post 1500. So please don't fret about that. David (not Dave) Samuelsen Jorge Todeschini wrote: > Well, Dave, if you are following this thread, people "gave up" on the Latin > explanation because the abbreviations appear in place names. I am trying to > say yhe Latin holds regardless of the field where it was entered.

This is a great idea. I bought a "check file" at Staples for about $4.00. A nice plastic small accordian file that actually fits in my purse (sorry guys). It is the only way to go to keep all those cards straight and ready. I also gift them to folks I'm helping so they can keep their cards straight. Michele In a message dated 4/14/2009 10:50:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shannasjones@msn.com writes: I have an index card box that I bought years ago to file my cards. I thought I got it at Deseret Book but I just did a search at both Deseret Book and Seagull Book and Google and cannot find it anywhere. Anyway, it is an index box with dividers in it, the 3 x 5 size. I'll explain it so you can make your own. The first card, printed on card stock says: THE TEMPLE BOX Today this box caught my eye, A place to fill with names and places, Of those who have made my life, Those whose past my present traces. Excitement builds beyond the veil Each time this box leaves this shelf. Will my card be taken to the temple today? Will my work finally be complete? I've waited years for this day-- Will you unlock temple doors for me? There are thirteen other dividers. One says Baptisms, then Male and Female Then Initiatory, then Male and Female Then Endowment, then Male and Female Then Sealing, then Sons, Daughters and Couples I looked at each one and there is no copyright or ordering information to find this box again. It is nicely done, each Baptism, Initiatory, Endowment and Sealing card has a nice picture and a verse on it. The Male and Female cards are blue and pink like the temple cards. You place your cards behind each of the cards to keep track of them. Then you can easily see when you have enough sealings to do for a session, or if you need to still do some initiatory work, etc. If any of you know where we can order more of these, please let me know. I've had mine so long the plastic lid has broken off from wear. They would make great gifts or even a good Relief Society Enrichment project to make them. Shanna Jones Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002)

Having followed all your contributions to this question of 'time limit' may I ask a question? As a consultant who is in the process of starting members ,old and new, off onto nFS, would it be a wise thing,when the moment arises, to suggest to them that they limit the number of their requests for doing the ordinance work ? What I mean is, for them not to rush ahead beyond their 4 generations of direct line with their 'reserves'. I have noticed how easy it is to say you want to do the work yourself without thinking of the how's and when's of getting it done. In fact one of the sisters I am working with has decided to leave it for others to do the work because she is older and cannot be sure of her visits to the Temple. She has, of course, done her immediate family ancestors. I am in England and have been working out 'best practice', which one only discovers as one goes along or from such discussions as these. I think limiting the number of cards they get will probably be a good idea in the light of all that has been said and certainly in my own experience. Could you comment please? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sahara346@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Time limit > One reason I see a need for time limits on family files for names is the > number of new converts in my ward who are working on their family history. > For the most part, they are coming in singly (either because they are > single, once again single, and/or their children are adult and in > different > households, although a few convert members who've been in longer came in > without > their spouses.) None of us knows how long we've got here on earth before > we graduate from the school of life and move forward to other > responsibilities. If any of my flock of single new members die, what > happens to the > unfinished names that they've begun? (Some of them can not yet do the > endowment work themselves because they haven't been in the Church long > enough.) > The unfinished work will hang indefinitely, if there is not a reasonable > time limit before names can again be released to the general membership > for > other, perhaps more distant, relatives to find and finish. > > Karen > > > **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new > AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it's not a mistake. It is genealogical standard for ages. Even the strict standards has these in the places. David Samuelsen Jorge Todeschini wrote: > I agree with you, but people are stumped because the abbreviation appears in > the "place name" field. I say it is a mistake, or maybe people did not know > where to put the information, or maybe they didn't know what the > abbreviation meant and assumed it was a place.

I agree with you, but people are stumped because the abbreviation appears in the "place name" field. I say it is a mistake, or maybe people did not know where to put the information, or maybe they didn't know what the abbreviation meant and assumed it was a place. -------------------------------------------------- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:34 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] ReDo: Help with abbreviations > spms refers not to places, but to the Latin terms describing the dying > without male heirs > > much like when we used d.y. to mean died young. > > clear as mud? > > W. David Samuelsen > > DC & Alice Allen wrote: >> I seem to remember, way back when I was a newbie genealogist, that we >> abbreviated county names if they were long. Usually 4 letters, often >> leaving out the vowels. This may be an abbreviation of England's >> equivelant of a county. >> >> Looking at my mother-in-law's Book of Remembrance, she has some family >> group sheets copyrighted 1972, with a separate column for county that is >> very, very small. There are also group sheets copyrighted 1941 which has >> one column for city and county, and a separate column for state or >> country. >> >> Alice Allen >> Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant >> Vancouver WA Stake >> Portland OR Temple District >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 4/14/2009 at 5:33 AM slandersen51@att.net wrote: >> >>> A web search shows this info at this site >>> >>> http://www.webpak.net/~cdm2/kimball/pafg75.htm Perhaps you can get in >>> touch with this person and see if they know what or where "Spsm" is. I >>> wonder if it might be a battle field. >>> >>> Susan Andersen, Lancaster, Ohio >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I couldn't get there with the whole link, but I used just the first part (highlighted below) and it worked. It looks like a valuable resource and I bookmarked it. However, once at the blog, the links didn't work for me. Anyone else have this problem? Michele In a message dated 4/14/2009 8:06:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jenealogist66@msn.com writes: http://ancestryinsider.blogspot.com/2009/04/latest-record-search-collections .html<http://ancestryinsider.blogspot.com/2009/04/latest-record-search-colle ctions.html **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002)

I'm not sure of this argument. If missionaries came to you and you were converted, but said, you have to wait your turn to be baptized for some indefinite period, how would you feel? Why do we wait for indefinite periods and also risk that the work will never be done? Where it is difficult for members to complete the 50-100 names they might easily discover nowadays with all the info that's online, I generally suggest that they personally do the work for their direct line grandfathers and mothers and for the aunts and uncles they personally knew and felt close to. This makes it more reasonable. I'm not sure there is any virtue in personally completing all the work yourself. Preparing it and seeing to it in a timely manner will bless you just as much. I think that part of our job should be close coordination with the HPGL/priesthood in the ward or branch making sure that our patron names do get to the temple. This also includes taking time the next time we are at the temple to speak to someone in authority (especially if we live some distance from the temple) and ask how they might suggest we can accomplish extra endowments so that we can participate in sealings ourselves. I am sure you will find help at the temple if you live at a great distance and come from a very small branch of the church. Michele In a message dated 4/14/2009 6:50:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Sahara346@aol.com writes: One reason I see a need for time limits on family files for names is the number of new converts in my ward who are working on their family history. For the most part, they are coming in singly (either because they are single, once again single, and/or their children are adult and in different households, although a few convert members who've been in longer came in without their spouses.) None of us knows how long we've got here on earth before we graduate from the school of life and move forward to other responsibilities. If any of my flock of single new members die, what happens to the unfinished names that they've begun? (Some of them can not yet do the endowment work themselves because they haven't been in the Church long enough.) The unfinished work will hang indefinitely, if there is not a reasonable time limit before names can again be released to the general membership for other, perhaps more distant, relatives to find and finish. Karen **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002)

Have you considered calling ahead to the temple and arranging for your names to be included in the new name booth when you attend the temple? Or leaving them with a self-addressed envelope so they can be returned to you. A few names like that ought to be able to be arranged in a small temple. Michele In a message dated 4/14/2009 5:48:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mcm410@msn.com writes: I think we need to take into consideration that some are part member families or widows/widowers, and when we clear names we get those whom we know aren't gonig to be done in a timely matter. I have handfulls of male names who are waiting for some kind soul in my ward to help, but no one is willing. I have always supported the youth temple trips by supplying names therefore I have lots waiting for the rest of the ordinances to be completed. I'll keep doing it a family at a time, or picking up those dangling people. I am 3 1/2 hrs from my temple, and also a missionary, so my personal time to do ordinances is at a standstill at this time. It's great when you have a large family who are members, but a lot of us don't have that blessing and we struggle to get the work done, having it started is worth a lot for us. Marian in iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] stealing names thought > Michele wrote: > I do think there should be a time limit on these names.....I have quite a > few in my own families and I'm not unhappy someone else has submitted > them, > but I think it's unfair to submit names and let them sit, half completed > for years. Not fair to the deceased!! > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002)

I have an index card box that I bought years ago to file my cards. I thought I got it at Deseret Book but I just did a search at both Deseret Book and Seagull Book and Google and cannot find it anywhere. Anyway, it is an index box with dividers in it, the 3 x 5 size. I'll explain it so you can make your own. The first card, printed on card stock says: THE TEMPLE BOX Today this box caught my eye, A place to fill with names and places, Of those who have made my life, Those whose past my present traces. Excitement builds beyond the veil Each time this box leaves this shelf. Will my card be taken to the temple today? Will my work finally be complete? I've waited years for this day-- Will you unlock temple doors for me? There are thirteen other dividers. One says Baptisms, then Male and Female Then Initiatory, then Male and Female Then Endowment, then Male and Female Then Sealing, then Sons, Daughters and Couples I looked at each one and there is no copyright or ordering information to find this box again. It is nicely done, each Baptism, Initiatory, Endowment and Sealing card has a nice picture and a verse on it. The Male and Female cards are blue and pink like the temple cards. You place your cards behind each of the cards to keep track of them. Then you can easily see when you have enough sealings to do for a session, or if you need to still do some initiatory work, etc. If any of you know where we can order more of these, please let me know. I've had mine so long the plastic lid has broken off from wear. They would make great gifts or even a good Relief Society Enrichment project to make them. Shanna Jones

spms refers not to places, but to the Latin terms describing the dying without male heirs much like when we used d.y. to mean died young. clear as mud? W. David Samuelsen DC & Alice Allen wrote: > I seem to remember, way back when I was a newbie genealogist, that we abbreviated county names if they were long. Usually 4 letters, often leaving out the vowels. This may be an abbreviation of England's equivelant of a county. > > Looking at my mother-in-law's Book of Remembrance, she has some family group sheets copyrighted 1972, with a separate column for county that is very, very small. There are also group sheets copyrighted 1941 which has one column for city and county, and a separate column for state or country. > > Alice Allen > Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant > Vancouver WA Stake > Portland OR Temple District > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 4/14/2009 at 5:33 AM slandersen51@att.net wrote: > >> A web search shows this info at this site >> >> http://www.webpak.net/~cdm2/kimball/pafg75.htm Perhaps you can get in >> touch with this person and see if they know what or where "Spsm" is. I >> wonder if it might be a battle field. >> >> Susan Andersen, Lancaster, Ohio >> >> > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Personal feelings: reserve what you can reasonably do yourself (with help of close family) & either send the rest you find to extended family or temple file. Sometimes I notice that temple file is done in a week, and those I've chosen to do myself are waiting as I chip away at the small pile (we have four of us working on them.) It is not ALWAYS finished that fast, but frequently. I know a most of the names in the baptistry are temple file, and I don't know how fast those get completed. I can only worry about my own family, though I confess that as I work with my converts in this capacity, I start feeling a strong kinship with their relatives as well, though I have no rights of precedence other than helping their family member. Karen In a message dated 4/14/2009 9:53:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kathyscott1@ntlworld.com writes: Having followed all your contributions to this question of 'time limit' may I ask a question? As a consultant who is in the process of starting members ,old and new, off onto nFS, would it be a wise thing,when the moment arises, to suggest to them that they limit the number of their requests for doing the ordinance work ? What I mean is, for them not to rush ahead beyond their 4 generations of direct line with their 'reserves'. I have noticed how easy it is to say you want to do the work yourself without thinking of the how's and when's of getting it done. In fact one of the sisters I am working with has decided to leave it for others to do the work because she is older and cannot be sure of her visits to the Temple. She has, of course, done her immediate family ancestors. I am in England and have been working out 'best practice', which one only discovers as one goes along or from such discussions as these. I think limiting the number of cards they get will probably be a good idea in the light of all that has been said and certainly in my own experience. Could you comment please? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sahara346@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Time limit > One reason I see a need for time limits on family files for names is the > number of new converts in my ward who are working on their family history. > For the most part, they are coming in singly (either because they are > single, once again single, and/or their children are adult and in > different > households, although a few convert members who've been in longer came in > without > their spouses.) None of us knows how long we've got here on earth before > we graduate from the school of life and move forward to other > responsibilities. If any of my flock of single new members die, what > happens to the > unfinished names that they've begun? (Some of them can not yet do the > endowment work themselves because they haven't been in the Church long > enough.) > The unfinished work will hang indefinitely, if there is not a reasonable > time limit before names can again be released to the general membership > for > other, perhaps more distant, relatives to find and finish. > > Karen > > > **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new > AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001)

Thanks.... Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] stealing names thought > yes and merge them, the earliest dates take over. > > Just this morning I found a family with scattered records, and no one > did any of them because all of them were from extraction program and > merged them. > > David Samuelsen > > Kathy Scott wrote: >> David , does that mean if you find a duplicate after x number of years, >> that >> could show the completion of the Temple ordinances? Kathy > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will go there later today to see one certain person, she's in charge of the unit. It is located in the Family History Library's British section (B2 floor.) I worked there several years ago inputting and straightening the submissions for the unit for a short time. David Samuelsen Kathy Taylor wrote: > Joan, > Now that you give the names, I recognize those abbreviations because that is > part of my family, too. It is from Ancestral File. The submitter is: > MEDIEVAL > FAMILIES Microfilm: NONE C/O FAMILY HISTORY DEPARTMENT > 50 E NORTH TEMPLE STREET > SALT LAKE CITY, UT Submission: AF89-101516 USA 84150 > I think I heard what it meant but don't remember. You could check with the > Medieval Unit in Salt Lake and they would know. > > Kathy Taylor > Portland, OR > > The one with "spms" is Philip Despenser, titled Baron Despenser, born about > 1365 of Nettleshead, Suffolk, England. The "spms" is in the death place > field. > > The one with "spm" is Robert Tiptoft, titled Baron Tybotot, born about 1340 > also of Nettleshead. The "spm" is in the death place field. > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I think it is imperative to tell people to make sure that they keep their cards that need temple work completed together and in one place. I have a file for mine. They also need to tell someone (family member or friend) where they are located so that in case of death or them being unable to take care of the cards that person can go and take the cards so that they can be completed. My sister, son and also a friend know right where the cards are kept so hopefully the work can continue without a wait. I do not have a huge file either, just enough to do for family and some ward friends. Thanks for this thread. It has been most interesting to read. Jean