I haven't gotten the error on page message, but I have to log off and click refresh 3 times before it will log me off. I don't understand that. I can logoff just fine at home. Joan in NC On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Nancy Gibert <nlgibert@ameritech.net> wrote: > > Does anyone have problems using their own subscription to ancestry at the > FHC? I am forever getting error on page message. Some things work but it > is very frustrating. > Thanks > Nancy > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought some of you might be interested in this story that's hitting the news tonight: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705301616,00.html ABC news has reported on it, and there are also some pretty mean blog posts about it. All the more reason to make sure we follow the rules when submit names. Stanley Dunham's name does appear in the IGI, with ordinances, but at newfamilysearch, it's not clear that the ordinances were actually done. (Yes her name was Stanley. Born Kansas 1942 if you want to look for her.) You can also see the names of the submitters at newfamilysearch. I imagine they've been contacted already by the church, from the sound of the Deseret News article. Paula

In a previous message that I wrote on understanding NFS someone suggested I do a print preview before I printed out the FOR, if I understood right. I don't see an option to do a print preview. I just printed out a FOR so I will run to the temple and see what the cards look like. Our youth are going to the temple tomorrow night. Thanks Nancy

Please can I add something to Peter's comment and hopefully help him come to the realisation I have come to. I was very concerned when my Director returned from the Temple last year and told us she had been told that we did not need PAF anymore. She herself had not been using PAF anyway and in fact is not comfortable with the computer; I on the other hand had spent the last eight years assisting people with their record keeping on PAF! I felt a degree of bewilderment and it was only after my own investigation I realised that the Temple worker was only really saying that for preparing Temple ordinance work we did not need PAF.i.e. gedcom file from PAF to Temple Ready at the FH Centre. This then became clear to me and what you say Peter is true. Research work which goes on before one enters names into nFS needs a place to be put. We must not tell members who have been diligently filling their PAF with their data that it is no longer needed...... it is the greatest offputter that can be said to anyone who has, perhaps, 1000+ names stored in their file! I continue to use PAF all the time. Family Insight the Ohana program supports it and I have PAF open when I transfer names into nFS one at a time and of course use it for gedcomming family groups. I have come to see for teaching purposes at least we have three processes which goes on in this work, 1.Research 2. Entering into nFS to prepare for. 3. Temple work. We so often hear of Temple work being promoted, but now without the other two, Temple work could not be achieved. Cheers Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter F. Thorne" <thornept@comcast.net> To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > Hi! > > > > I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the > announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been > considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for > recording > information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by > subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. > > > > I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they > offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights > and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for > other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs > you > might recommend. > > > > Peter F. Thorne > > Toms River, NJ > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks John Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, John Vilburn <john@ohanasoftware.com> wrote: From: John Vilburn <john@ohanasoftware.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 6:29 PM Harry, I have tried PAF on Windows 7, which will be the eventual replacement for Windows Vista. PAF worked fine on Windows 7, so it remains an option for at least the next 4 years. Aloha, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? Gaylon ok do you see a point in the future where , due to my operateing syatem, that PAF will not work? Now I have VISTA and having no problems. Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:56 PM Harry: No, that is not what I'm saying. I think there has been an assumption in this discussion that we are talking about programs that can work with NFS. PAF can't do that without help. So we've been talking about replacing or supplementing PAF for those that want to use NFS. If you don't want to use NFS, as you indicate, and don't want any supplements for PAF, then just keep on using PAF by itself. It still runs. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." What we're saying is that if you want to stay with PAF, and you also want to use NFS, then AQ lets you continue to use PAF, while using AQ just as a bridge to connect your PAF data with NFS. AQ *could* replace your PAF, but AQ can also let you keep using PAF and act as a supplement to PAF. We have gone to a lot of work over the last 2+ years to engineer a means to add the NFS syncing capability into a PAF database for this very reason. Keep your PAF if you are more comfortable with it! Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here > saying get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a > working program and at my age will most likely never process another name > with it. > > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, > could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain > it when I was teaching it. > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: > >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all >> together different? >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>> insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like Ancestral Quest because I want to continue to use PAF. I think the syncing in Rootmagic is a little easier to do than the AQ process, but I like the fact that I can make changes in AQ and then open my file in PAF (without having to make a GEDCOM), and there are the changes. I did not want to have to learn another program, and since AQ is so similar to PAF, it was an easy transition. I have been using AQ for about 6 months, and I am pleased with all the syncing the program can do. You can compare, combine duplications, then sync; in another process, review the person to get parents and spouses' sealings, go to nFS from AQ to view the file in NFS (with proper sign-in), and add end of line people from nFS to the last person in your AQ/PAF. Another feature I like in AQ is that I like to put the typed opening of a census record into my notes. If I copy and paste it into PAF, I get all the URL's for each person and a lot of extra garbage. If I cut and paste into AQ, the record is clean. A future feature I would like to see is the sealing to parents and spouse coming up on the initial syncing screen. As my husband Jack said in an earlier e-mail, he likes Rootsmagic, but now he is going to store his record in RM and probably leave PAF behind. As for me, AQ is doing a fantastic job for my needs, and I like to go back to PAF to do some features that I am more familiar with than I am with AQ. The changes are automatically made in AQ. Sylvia York, PA

Harry: No, that is not what I'm saying. I think there has been an assumption in this discussion that we are talking about programs that can work with NFS. PAF can't do that without help. So we've been talking about replacing or supplementing PAF for those that want to use NFS. If you don't want to use NFS, as you indicate, and don't want any supplements for PAF, then just keep on using PAF by itself. It still runs. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." What we're saying is that if you want to stay with PAF, and you also want to use NFS, then AQ lets you continue to use PAF, while using AQ just as a bridge to connect your PAF data with NFS. AQ *could* replace your PAF, but AQ can also let you keep using PAF and act as a supplement to PAF. We have gone to a lot of work over the last 2+ years to engineer a means to add the NFS syncing capability into a PAF database for this very reason. Keep your PAF if you are more comfortable with it! Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a working program and at my age will most likely never process another name with it. > > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when I was teaching it. > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: > >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all together different? >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does anyone have problems using their own subscription to ancestry at the FHC? I am forever getting error on page message. Some things work but it is very frustrating. Thanks Nancy

John, I had used PAF Insight before I switched to RootsMagic 3 and when my subscription was finished for the year I was expected to pay for an additional year that I did not. As I remember, the cost was the same as the original subscription and that was what I was basing my focus on. It could be that Family Insight is different? No offense, but I have been trained at our FHC to use FamilyInsight along with the other librarians and we think that the syncing process is difficult to use. Although we like it better than the syncing for Ancestral File which we were also trained on to help Patrons that come in. I agree with you that some software programs do have yearly updates, RM does not have a history of that. Also I have also already received a free upgrade on RM4 since it was released and there is a note that automatically appears when an upgrade has been made. My point is that for the money, with RM4 you get an program with so much more power than PAF that also has a great syncing feature built-in. I just love all the great features RM4 has plus it is so easy to convert PAF over. I was thankful that whoever gave me the advice to change from PAF on this forum to RM did so even though I was using PAF Insight at the time along with PAF. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Vilburn Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 03:15 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? Nancy Scott said: > If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription > ... That is a common misconception. When you buy a copy of FamilyInsight ($25) you get a year of free updates. You can continue to use it after that without paying a cent more. Most programs come out with a new version every year. To get the new version you have to pay an upgrade price. At Ohana Software we choose to make our enhancements available throughout the year so you can use them as soon as possible. Since we are continuously updating FamilyInsight and adding new features, most people choose to buy another year of updates for $15 when their initial year of free updates runs out. In practice it isn't much different than buying the updated version of any program, except that you don't have to wait a full year to get the new features. Aloha, John Vilburn Ohana Software LLC www.ohanasoftware.com Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gaylon  ok  do you see a point in the future where , due to my operateing syatem, that PAF will not work? Now I have VISTA and having no problems.   Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:56 PM Harry: No, that is not what I'm saying. I think there has been an assumption in this discussion that we are talking about programs that can work with NFS. PAF can't do that without help. So we've been talking about replacing or supplementing PAF for those that want to use NFS. If you don't want to use NFS, as you indicate, and don't want any supplements for PAF, then just keep on using PAF by itself. It still runs. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." What we're saying is that if you want to stay with PAF, and you also want to use NFS, then AQ lets you continue to use PAF, while using AQ just as a bridge to connect your PAF data with NFS. AQ *could* replace your PAF, but AQ can also let you keep using PAF and act as a supplement to PAF. We have gone to a lot of work over the last 2+ years to engineer a means to add the NFS syncing capability into a PAF database for this very reason. Keep your PAF if you are more comfortable with it! Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying get rid of PAF and get another program?  I don't like NFS as a working program and  at my age will most likely never process another name with it. >  > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when I was teaching it. >  > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: >    >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all together different? >>    >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >>    >>      >>> Hi! >>> >>>    >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>>    >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >>> might recommend. >>> >>>    >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>      >>>      >>>        >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>    >>      > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >    Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Nancy, RootsMagic is fantastic and I am teaching it in my family history classes. I have several students that are really liking the way it syncs. I also like the feature of being about to search several search engines while you still can see the person you are searching for and their information. I love RM4!!! Cathie Owens @ cathieowens@msn.com Creative Memories scrapbooking site http://www.mycmsite.com/sites/cathieowens Creative Memories BlogSpot http://bobcatshaven.blogspot.com/ Web address www.bobcatsworld.com Shih Tzu's & Chinese Imperial Dogs Web address www.bobcatsworld.com/dental Dr. Robert W. Owens D.D.S. Web address www.bobcatsworld.com/genclass genealogy class Web Address www.bobcatsworld.com/family My family history -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nancy Scott" <nascott@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:18 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > John, > > I had used PAF Insight before I switched to RootsMagic 3 and when my > subscription was finished for the year I was expected to pay for an > additional year that I did not. As I remember, the cost was the same as > the > original subscription and that was what I was basing my focus on. It > could > be that Family Insight is different? > > No offense, but I have been trained at our FHC to use FamilyInsight along > with the other librarians and we think that the syncing process is > difficult > to use. Although we like it better than the syncing for Ancestral File > which we were also trained on to help Patrons that come in. > > I agree with you that some software programs do have yearly updates, RM > does > not have a history of that. Also I have also already received a free > upgrade on RM4 since it was released and there is a note that > automatically > appears when an upgrade has been made. > > My point is that for the money, with RM4 you get an program with so much > more power than PAF that also has a great syncing feature built-in. > > I just love all the great features RM4 has plus it is so easy to convert > PAF > over. I was thankful that whoever gave me the advice to change from PAF > on > this forum to RM did so even though I was using PAF Insight at the time > along with PAF. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Vilburn > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 03:15 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > Nancy Scott said: >> If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription >> ... > > That is a common misconception. When you buy a copy of FamilyInsight ($25) > you get a year of free updates. You can continue to use it after that > without paying a cent more. > > Most programs come out with a new version every year. To get the new > version > > you have to pay an upgrade price. > > At Ohana Software we choose to make our enhancements available throughout > the year so you can use them as soon as possible. Since we are > continuously > updating FamilyInsight and adding new features, most people choose to buy > another year of updates for $15 when their initial year of free updates > runs > > out. In practice it isn't much different than buying the updated version > of > any program, except that you don't have to wait a full year to get the new > features. > > Aloha, > John Vilburn > Ohana Software LLC > www.ohanasoftware.com > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying get rid of PAF and get another program?  I don't like NFS as a working program and  at my age will most likely never process another name with it.   Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when I was teaching it.   Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM Harry: Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS Church's desktop database manager. PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were not derived from Ancestral Quest. Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 > Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all together different? >  > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM > > > Peter: > > I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal > Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". > > A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created > from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline > Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and > thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of > Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral > File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest > (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You > will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is > mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the > ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. > > Gaylon Findlay > Incline Software > > > Peter F. Thorne wrote: >    >> Hi! >> >>    >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >>    >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >>    >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>    >>      > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >    Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PAF allows users to back up and then restore, and prompts them to do so before a merge operation, for instance (because that is one that is pretty tough to undo). PAF will also prompt for regular back-ups in case there is a major "oops" -- of course, data entered or changed after the back-up has to be entered and/or changed again. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brother Bowen" <brotherbowen@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:24 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > Do any of these programs have a "oops" command to go back if one makes > a mistake? I know PAF does not. > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> wrote: >> While it is true that PAF will be supported but not upgraded, I believe >> finding the most reasonable priced program and one with the most >> effective >> syncing and upgrades is important. I changed to RootsMagic about a year >> ago >> at a suggestion from someone in the Group and was delighted with it. It >> recently came out with RM4 and I am thrilled with the syncing >> capabilities >> and the many features that you will not find in PAF or other software. >> >> If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription >> that >> is more than the total cost of RM4 right now if you are a PAF user and >> want >> to switch. RM4 already has the syncing tool in the program for that >> price. >> Right now you can purchase RM4 for $19.95 through the end of May. RM4 is >> a >> very powerful tool and there are RM4 groups through out the country that >> you >> can join to help you use the tool. I have joined one here about a year >> ago >> and am the only church member. Genealogists who are serious about >> researching love RM4. One of the Consultants in my Ward who serves at >> the >> Freedom Center here in Cincinnati and has done tons of FH recently >> switched >> at my suggestion and is very happy with it. She is also switching over >> her >> sister who has a handicap from a stroke because of the features that >> allow >> you to click on changes you want to make rather than rekeying. >> >> >> >> Here is a link if you want to try out either program in a demo form free >> also: http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm >> >> >> Pricing >> RootsMagic 4 is available for only $29.95. Existing RootsMagic and >> Family >> Origins users may upgrade for only $19.95. >> Discount Offer >> For the first time in company history, users of other genealogy software >> programs can receive a competitive upgrade discount. Through May 31, >> 2009, >> users of Personal Ancestral File (PAF), Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family >> Tree, or The Master Genealogist may purchase RootsMagic 4 for only >> $19.95, >> saving $10 off of the regular price. >> >> >> >> The Genealogy Insider posted this about FS awards given recently with RM4 >> receiving Best Dashboard and Easiest to Sync: >> >> The 2009 FamilySearch Software Award winners, which include desktop >> programs, online tools and developers' tools, were named last night at >> the >> FamilySearch Developers Conference in Provo, Utah. >> >> Here's the list (click a program's name to visit its Web site): >> >> Desktop Productivity >> Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Best Listing Tool >> FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Standardizer >> RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Best Dashboard >> >> Desktop Syncing or Tree-Cleaning >> Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Most Comprehensive Syncing >> FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Person Separator >> RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Easiest to Sync >> >> Desktop Use of Media >> Charting Companion (Progeny Software): Best for Desktop Printing >> >> Web Productivity >> Grow Branch (US Family Tree): Best Web Site Feature for Publishing >> (LDS Church members can use this service to submit ancestors for temple >> work.) >> >> Web Use of Media >> Generation Maps: Best Web Site Feature for Printing >> TreeSeek: Best Web Site Feature for Mapping (requires users to have a >> "New >> Family Search" account) >> >> Developers Choice Awards >> David Pugmire's fsapi.net: Best API Library >> Ben Godard's fs-ubiquity: Potential Future Impact on the Genealogy >> Industry >> >> See FamilyTreeMagazine.com's genealogy software guide for information >> desktop programs for Mac and Windows. >> >> >> >> >> Below is a clip about the features that are new. One I don't see listed >> is >> that it is written in Unicode which impressed my System's Manager >> husband. >> >> Unicode Support >> So what is Unicode? Basically Unicode support means that RootsMagic >> isn't >> limited to just "western European" languages anymore. RootsMagic 4 can >> now >> handle Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, and most any other language you can throw >> at >> it. >> >> Impressive New Features >> >> "RootsMagic 4 is the biggest release in our 20-year history of making >> genealogy software," said Bruce Buzbee, president. "We've updated >> RootsMagic to work with the latest genealogical technologies available >> today, while staying true to our mission to make family history easy, >> accessible, and fun." >> >> RootsMagic 4 boasts an impressive list of new features including >> integrated >> web search, improved SourceWizard for citing sources, sharing events >> among >> multiple persons, creating pre-defined groups of persons, person and >> place >> mapping, recording DNA tests, and improved navigation and data entry. >> RootsMagic 4 is also one of the only desktop genealogy programs certified >> to >> work with "New FamilySearch". >> >> >> I am more than happy with RM4 and also was with RM3. >> >> Nancy Scott >> Cincinnati, Ohio >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter F. >> Thorne >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:06 PM >> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >> the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >> recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >> by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >> they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >> for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >> you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Peter: Let me add one more thought to what I wrote earlier on this topic, which in summary is that Ancestral Quest can replace your PAF 5 -- it will be like using a newer version of PAF with a lot more features, including the syncing to NFS. But AQ can also simply supplement PAF 5. Since AQ can work directly on a PAF 5 database, and AQ appears in PAF's "Tools" menu, you can simply use AQ as a set of extended features for PAF and extend the life of PAF. Keep using PAF if you like, yet move into the world of nFS with AQ's comprehensive syncing and other capabilities. Gaylon Gaylon Findlay wrote: > Peter: > > I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal > Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". > > A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created > from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline > Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and > thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of > Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral > File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest > (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You > will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is > mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the > ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. > > Gaylon Findlay > Incline Software > > > Peter F. Thorne wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Harry, I have tried PAF on Windows 7, which will be the eventual replacement for Windows Vista. PAF worked fine on Windows 7, so it remains an option for at least the next 4 years. Aloha, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? Gaylon ok do you see a point in the future where , due to my operateing syatem, that PAF will not work? Now I have VISTA and having no problems. Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:56 PM Harry: No, that is not what I'm saying. I think there has been an assumption in this discussion that we are talking about programs that can work with NFS. PAF can't do that without help. So we've been talking about replacing or supplementing PAF for those that want to use NFS. If you don't want to use NFS, as you indicate, and don't want any supplements for PAF, then just keep on using PAF by itself. It still runs. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." What we're saying is that if you want to stay with PAF, and you also want to use NFS, then AQ lets you continue to use PAF, while using AQ just as a bridge to connect your PAF data with NFS. AQ *could* replace your PAF, but AQ can also let you keep using PAF and act as a supplement to PAF. We have gone to a lot of work over the last 2+ years to engineer a means to add the NFS syncing capability into a PAF database for this very reason. Keep your PAF if you are more comfortable with it! Gaylon Harry Laughman wrote: > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here > saying get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a > working program and at my age will most likely never process another name > with it. > > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, > could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain > it when I was teaching it. > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: > >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all >> together different? >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>> insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you like using PAF and are looking for something similar to it, I would recommend Ancestral Quest which is essentially a later and more updated version of PAF. It is specially useful if you use ancestry.com or FamilySearch.org since Ancestral Quest interfaces flawlessly with these two databases in searching for ancestors and checking for previous LDS ordinance work. Craig Olsen > From: <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:24:59 -0600 > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 186 > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, > use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict > the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. What genealogy program do I select? (Peter F. Thorne) > 2. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Shanna Jones) > 3. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Gaylon Findlay) > 4. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Miles Meyer) > 5. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Harry Laughman) > 6. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Nancy Scott) > 7. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Brother Bowen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:06:28 -0400 > From: "Peter F. Thorne" <thornept@comcast.net> > Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOvBNocMab8RjGmC3GQnSVTCgAAAEAAAAAIz6BXl5dZAhbdjELKULW > IBAAAAAA==@comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi! > > > > I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the > announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been > considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording > information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by > subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. > > > > I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they > offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights > and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for > other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you > might recommend. > > > > Peter F. Thorne > > Toms River, NJ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:11:59 -0600 > From: "Shanna Jones" <shannasjones@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU135-DS7F98160E7C39F53D08A42D0690@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Personal Ancestral File will be supported, just not upgraded. But > FamilyInsight by Ohana Software makes it synchronize nicely with the New > FamilySearch program. I use it all the time and really like it. > Shanna Jones, UT > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter F. > Thorne > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:06 AM > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > Hi! > > > > I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the > announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been > considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording > information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by > subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. > > > > I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they > offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights > and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for > other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you > might recommend. > > > > Peter F. Thorne > > Toms River, NJ > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:21:18 -0600 > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4A00677E.4020408@ancquest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Peter: > > I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal > Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". > > A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created > from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline > Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and > thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of > Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral > File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest > (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You > will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is > mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the > ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. > > Gaylon Findlay > Incline Software > > > Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:36:43 -0400 > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <3ae068010905050936r43e7eea0q9f3ff52c87b94af5@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Peter, the FHC should have copies of FamilyInsight, Ancestral Quest > and possibly RootsMagic installed on their computer. Try them out > there to see which one you like best. I know that FamilyInsight and > Ancestral Quest give generous free trial periods (60 days) so you can > install them at home to test them also. Some of the things you need to > look at are how they sync with nFS. I believe each of these programs > has the capability (I haven't tried RootsMagic lately so am not sure > how it works). > > Personally, not to put down any of the programs, I use Ancestral > Quest. I like how it merges with nFS and also works well with Ancestry > and other online databases. It looks a lot like PAF so there isn't a > large learning curve. > > FamilyInsight is also a good program and integrates with your existing > PAF file well. You can continue to use your old PAF files without any > trouble. I beta tested it and really liked it but I had to chose one > program to work with. > > The FHC should also have a set of other programs on their computer for > mapping and retrieving information from your files. Take a look to see > what is on LanDesk that can be downloaded and installed. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Peter F. Thorne <thornept@comcast.net> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:49:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Harry Laughman <h85730@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <944439.67480.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 > Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all > together different? > ? > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are > when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM > > > Peter: > > I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal > Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". > > A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created > from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline > Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and > thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of > Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral > File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest > (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You > will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is > mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the > ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. > > Gaylon Findlay > Incline Software > > > Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> Hi! >> >> ? >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> ? >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >> ? >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ??? > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:58:31 -0400 > From: "Nancy Scott" <nascott@cinci.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002901c9cda2$b8318960$28949c20$@rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > While it is true that PAF will be supported but not upgraded, I believe > finding the most reasonable priced program and one with the most effective > syncing and upgrades is important. I changed to RootsMagic about a year ago > at a suggestion from someone in the Group and was delighted with it. It > recently came out with RM4 and I am thrilled with the syncing capabilities > and the many features that you will not find in PAF or other software. > > If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription that > is more than the total cost of RM4 right now if you are a PAF user and want > to switch. RM4 already has the syncing tool in the program for that price. > Right now you can purchase RM4 for $19.95 through the end of May. RM4 is a > very powerful tool and there are RM4 groups through out the country that you > can join to help you use the tool. I have joined one here about a year ago > and am the only church member. Genealogists who are serious about > researching love RM4. One of the Consultants in my Ward who serves at the > Freedom Center here in Cincinnati and has done tons of FH recently switched > at my suggestion and is very happy with it. She is also switching over her > sister who has a handicap from a stroke because of the features that allow > you to click on changes you want to make rather than rekeying. > > > > Here is a link if you want to try out either program in a demo form free > also: http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm > > > Pricing > RootsMagic 4 is available for only $29.95. Existing RootsMagic and Family > Origins users may upgrade for only $19.95. > Discount Offer > For the first time in company history, users of other genealogy software > programs can receive a competitive upgrade discount. Through May 31, 2009, > users of Personal Ancestral File (PAF), Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family > Tree, or The Master Genealogist may purchase RootsMagic 4 for only $19.95, > saving $10 off of the regular price. > > > > The Genealogy Insider posted this about FS awards given recently with RM4 > receiving Best Dashboard and Easiest to Sync: > > The 2009 FamilySearch Software Award winners, which include desktop > programs, online tools and developers' tools, were named last night at the > FamilySearch Developers Conference in Provo, Utah. > > Here's the list (click a program's name to visit its Web site): > > Desktop Productivity > Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Best Listing Tool > FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Standardizer > RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Best Dashboard > > Desktop Syncing or Tree-Cleaning > Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Most Comprehensive Syncing > FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Person Separator > RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Easiest to Sync > > Desktop Use of Media > Charting Companion (Progeny Software): Best for Desktop Printing > > Web Productivity > Grow Branch (US Family Tree): Best Web Site Feature for Publishing > (LDS Church members can use this service to submit ancestors for temple > work.) > > Web Use of Media > Generation Maps: Best Web Site Feature for Printing > TreeSeek: Best Web Site Feature for Mapping (requires users to have a "New > Family Search" account) > > Developers Choice Awards > David Pugmire's fsapi.net: Best API Library > Ben Godard's fs-ubiquity: Potential Future Impact on the Genealogy Industry > > See FamilyTreeMagazine.com's genealogy software guide for information > desktop programs for Mac and Windows. > > > > > Below is a clip about the features that are new. One I don't see listed is > that it is written in Unicode which impressed my System's Manager husband. > > Unicode Support > So what is Unicode? Basically Unicode support means that RootsMagic isn't > limited to just "western European" languages anymore. RootsMagic 4 can now > handle Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, and most any other language you can throw at > it. > > Impressive New Features > > "RootsMagic 4 is the biggest release in our 20-year history of making > genealogy software," said Bruce Buzbee, president. "We've updated > RootsMagic to work with the latest genealogical technologies available > today, while staying true to our mission to make family history easy, > accessible, and fun." > > RootsMagic 4 boasts an impressive list of new features including integrated > web search, improved SourceWizard for citing sources, sharing events among > multiple persons, creating pre-defined groups of persons, person and place > mapping, recording DNA tests, and improved navigation and data entry. > RootsMagic 4 is also one of the only desktop genealogy programs certified to > work with "New FamilySearch". > > > I am more than happy with RM4 and also was with RM3. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter F. > Thorne > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:06 PM > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > Hi! > > > > I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the > announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been > considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording > information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by > subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. > > > > I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they > offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights > and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for > other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you > might recommend. > > > > Peter F. Thorne > > Toms River, NJ > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:14 -0600 > From: Brother Bowen <brotherbowen@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <cd8f1d640905051124g399bf60ek9b2d5d003b0ba701@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Do any of these programs have a "oops" command to go back if one makes > a mistake? I know PAF does not. > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> wrote: >> While it is true that PAF will be supported but not upgraded, I believe >> finding the most reasonable priced program and one with the most effective >> syncing and upgrades is important. ?I changed to RootsMagic about a year ago >> at a suggestion from someone in the Group and was delighted with it. ?It >> recently came out with RM4 and I am thrilled with the syncing capabilities >> and the many features that you will not find in PAF or other software. >> >> If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription that >> is more than the total cost of RM4 right now if you are a PAF user and want >> to switch. ?RM4 already has the syncing tool in the program for that price. >> Right now you can purchase RM4 for $19.95 through the end of May. ?RM4 is a >> very powerful tool and there are RM4 groups through out the country that you >> can join to help you use the tool. ?I have joined one here about a year ago >> and am the only church member. ?Genealogists who are serious about >> researching love RM4. ?One of the Consultants in my Ward who serves at the >> Freedom Center here in Cincinnati and has done tons of FH recently switched >> at my suggestion and is very happy with it. ?She is also switching over her >> sister who has a handicap from a stroke because of the features that allow >> you to click on changes you want to make rather than rekeying. >> >> >> >> Here is a link if you want to try out either program in a demo form free >> also: ?http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm >> >> >> Pricing >> RootsMagic 4 is available for only $29.95. ?Existing RootsMagic and Family >> Origins users may upgrade for only $19.95. >> Discount Offer >> For the first time in company history, users of other genealogy software >> programs can receive a competitive upgrade discount. ?Through May 31, 2009, >> users of Personal Ancestral File (PAF), Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family >> Tree, or The Master Genealogist ?may purchase RootsMagic 4 for only $19.95, >> saving $10 off of the regular price. >> >> >> >> The Genealogy Insider posted this about FS awards given recently with RM4 >> receiving Best Dashboard and Easiest to Sync: >> >> The 2009 FamilySearch Software Award winners, which include desktop >> programs, online tools and developers' tools, were named last night at the >> FamilySearch Developers Conference in Provo, Utah. >> >> Here's the list (click a program's name to visit its Web site): >> >> Desktop Productivity >> Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Best Listing Tool >> FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Standardizer >> RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Best Dashboard >> >> Desktop Syncing or Tree-Cleaning >> Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Most Comprehensive Syncing >> FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Person Separator >> RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Easiest to Sync >> >> Desktop Use of Media >> Charting Companion (Progeny Software): Best for Desktop Printing >> >> Web Productivity >> Grow Branch (US Family Tree): Best Web Site Feature for Publishing >> (LDS Church members can use this service to submit ancestors for temple >> work.) >> >> Web Use of Media >> Generation Maps: Best Web Site Feature for Printing >> TreeSeek: Best Web Site Feature for Mapping (requires users to have a "New >> Family Search" account) >> >> Developers Choice Awards >> David Pugmire's fsapi.net: Best API Library >> Ben Godard's fs-ubiquity: Potential Future Impact on the Genealogy Industry >> >> See FamilyTreeMagazine.com's genealogy software guide for information >> desktop programs for Mac and Windows. >> >> >> >> >> Below is a clip about the features that are new. ?One I don't see listed is >> that it is written in Unicode which impressed my System's Manager husband. >> >> Unicode Support >> So what is Unicode? ?Basically Unicode support means that RootsMagic isn't >> limited to just "western European" languages anymore. ?RootsMagic 4 can now >> handle Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, and most any other language you can throw at >> it. >> >> Impressive New Features >> >> "RootsMagic 4 is the biggest release in our 20-year history of making >> genealogy software," said Bruce Buzbee, president. ?"We've updated >> RootsMagic to work with the latest genealogical technologies available >> today, while staying true to our mission to make family history easy, >> accessible, and fun." >> >> RootsMagic 4 boasts an impressive list of new features including integrated >> web search, improved SourceWizard for citing sources, sharing events among >> multiple persons, creating pre-defined groups of persons, person and place >> mapping, recording DNA tests, and improved navigation and data entry. >> RootsMagic 4 is also one of the only desktop genealogy programs certified to >> work with "New FamilySearch". >> >> >> I am more than happy with RM4 and also was with RM3. >> >> Nancy Scott >> Cincinnati, Ohio >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter F. >> Thorne >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:06 PM >> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 186 > *************************************************** >

Personally, I tried AQ, FamilyInsight, and Roots Magic. I LIKE ROOTS MAGIC.  The syncing function is great. BUT..... that is one man's opinion. Jack York, PA

While it is true that PAF will be supported but not upgraded, I believe finding the most reasonable priced program and one with the most effective syncing and upgrades is important. I changed to RootsMagic about a year ago at a suggestion from someone in the Group and was delighted with it. It recently came out with RM4 and I am thrilled with the syncing capabilities and the many features that you will not find in PAF or other software. If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription that is more than the total cost of RM4 right now if you are a PAF user and want to switch. RM4 already has the syncing tool in the program for that price. Right now you can purchase RM4 for $19.95 through the end of May. RM4 is a very powerful tool and there are RM4 groups through out the country that you can join to help you use the tool. I have joined one here about a year ago and am the only church member. Genealogists who are serious about researching love RM4. One of the Consultants in my Ward who serves at the Freedom Center here in Cincinnati and has done tons of FH recently switched at my suggestion and is very happy with it. She is also switching over her sister who has a handicap from a stroke because of the features that allow you to click on changes you want to make rather than rekeying. Here is a link if you want to try out either program in a demo form free also: http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm Pricing RootsMagic 4 is available for only $29.95. Existing RootsMagic and Family Origins users may upgrade for only $19.95. Discount Offer For the first time in company history, users of other genealogy software programs can receive a competitive upgrade discount. Through May 31, 2009, users of Personal Ancestral File (PAF), Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family Tree, or The Master Genealogist may purchase RootsMagic 4 for only $19.95, saving $10 off of the regular price. The Genealogy Insider posted this about FS awards given recently with RM4 receiving Best Dashboard and Easiest to Sync: The 2009 FamilySearch Software Award winners, which include desktop programs, online tools and developers' tools, were named last night at the FamilySearch Developers Conference in Provo, Utah. Here's the list (click a program's name to visit its Web site): Desktop Productivity Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Best Listing Tool FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Standardizer RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Best Dashboard Desktop Syncing or Tree-Cleaning Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Most Comprehensive Syncing FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Person Separator RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Easiest to Sync Desktop Use of Media Charting Companion (Progeny Software): Best for Desktop Printing Web Productivity Grow Branch (US Family Tree): Best Web Site Feature for Publishing (LDS Church members can use this service to submit ancestors for temple work.) Web Use of Media Generation Maps: Best Web Site Feature for Printing TreeSeek: Best Web Site Feature for Mapping (requires users to have a "New Family Search" account) Developers Choice Awards David Pugmire's fsapi.net: Best API Library Ben Godard's fs-ubiquity: Potential Future Impact on the Genealogy Industry See FamilyTreeMagazine.com's genealogy software guide for information desktop programs for Mac and Windows. Below is a clip about the features that are new. One I don't see listed is that it is written in Unicode which impressed my System's Manager husband. Unicode Support So what is Unicode? Basically Unicode support means that RootsMagic isn't limited to just "western European" languages anymore. RootsMagic 4 can now handle Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, and most any other language you can throw at it. Impressive New Features "RootsMagic 4 is the biggest release in our 20-year history of making genealogy software," said Bruce Buzbee, president. "We've updated RootsMagic to work with the latest genealogical technologies available today, while staying true to our mission to make family history easy, accessible, and fun." RootsMagic 4 boasts an impressive list of new features including integrated web search, improved SourceWizard for citing sources, sharing events among multiple persons, creating pre-defined groups of persons, person and place mapping, recording DNA tests, and improved navigation and data entry. RootsMagic 4 is also one of the only desktop genealogy programs certified to work with "New FamilySearch". I am more than happy with RM4 and also was with RM3. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter F. Thorne Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:06 PM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? Hi! I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you might recommend. Peter F. 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All three are authorized by Church to be used in Family History Centers, along with Legacy. David Samuelsen, long time AQ user (from the very first version to now) Miles Meyer wrote: > Peter, the FHC should have copies of FamilyInsight, Ancestral Quest > and possibly RootsMagic installed on their computer. Try them out > there to see which one you like best. I know that FamilyInsight and > Ancestral Quest give generous free trial periods (60 days) so you can > install them at home to test them also. Some of the things you need to > look at are how they sync with nFS. I believe each of these programs > has the capability (I haven't tried RootsMagic lately so am not sure > how it works).

Peter, the FHC should have copies of FamilyInsight, Ancestral Quest and possibly RootsMagic installed on their computer. Try them out there to see which one you like best. I know that FamilyInsight and Ancestral Quest give generous free trial periods (60 days) so you can install them at home to test them also. Some of the things you need to look at are how they sync with nFS. I believe each of these programs has the capability (I haven't tried RootsMagic lately so am not sure how it works). Personally, not to put down any of the programs, I use Ancestral Quest. I like how it merges with nFS and also works well with Ancestry and other online databases. It looks a lot like PAF so there isn't a large learning curve. FamilyInsight is also a good program and integrates with your existing PAF file well. You can continue to use your old PAF files without any trouble. I beta tested it and really liked it but I had to chose one program to work with. The FHC should also have a set of other programs on their computer for mapping and retrieving information from your files. Take a look to see what is on LanDesk that can be downloaded and installed. Miles Meyer Jacksonville, FL On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Peter F. Thorne <thornept@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi! > > > > I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the > announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been > considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording > information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by > subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. > > > > I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they > offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights > and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for > other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you > might recommend. > > > > Peter F. Thorne > > Toms River, NJ