I remember: 1. When I join the church in 1963 in Lompoc,Ca  members were sending their names to Salt Lake City for approval, it seemed to take for ever. 2. I remember visiting a ward in 29 Plams, Ca in 1965 and a young man , black man, had the PH.  He had a card from David O McKay (MS)  that he carried every where he went. They asked for people to pass the sacrament and he volunteered and was told no. When asked  why he was told he had to be a member. He showed his card.   I have only come accross one other member that has had that experience.   Harry Tucson WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Paula Goodfellow <sootica@mac.com> wrote: From: Paula Goodfellow <sootica@mac.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] Pre-computer procedures To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:28 PM A friend of mine asked me today how ordinances were cleared to be done  in the past, before computers. For example, how did you find out if  the ordinance had been done? Was it the Temple Index Bureau? And, what  about people whose ordinances shouldn't be done? For example, a  relative of mine who was excommunicated. If I understand correctly,  his descendants will have to go through extra procedures to do temple  work for him, if it's done at all. How was that handled in the past? I  assume there might be a marker on his file now, in nfs.  And what  about black people before 1978? Were baptisms for the dead permitted  for them? If not, how would that have been screened? I remember my grandmother showing her research to someone in the ward  before submitting, but not sure if that was an official procedure, or  just that she was trying to make sure she'd done everything correctly.  Paula Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A friend of mine asked me today how ordinances were cleared to be done in the past, before computers. For example, how did you find out if the ordinance had been done? Was it the Temple Index Bureau? And, what about people whose ordinances shouldn't be done? For example, a relative of mine who was excommunicated. If I understand correctly, his descendants will have to go through extra procedures to do temple work for him, if it's done at all. How was that handled in the past? I assume there might be a marker on his file now, in nfs. And what about black people before 1978? Were baptisms for the dead permitted for them? If not, how would that have been screened? I remember my grandmother showing her research to someone in the ward before submitting, but not sure if that was an official procedure, or just that she was trying to make sure she'd done everything correctly. Paula

Kathy and others: As you say, "PAF is my 'friend' and ... it is the 'friend' of most members ...". Ever since we gave the Ancestral Quest code to the Church over 10 years ago, we have recognized this friendship relationship between PAF and the members. And we know that if "most members" will just take a look at Ancestral Quest, they will feel like they are still in the house of a friend. It will be a comfortable adjustment to use the new tools, like NFS syncing, for most members, as AQ and PAF are so much alike, except for the newer features, which aren't in PAF. One of the other cool things about AQ's relationship with PAF is that you can use most PAF add-on utilities with it. For example, you should be able to use FamilyInsight and PAF Companion with it. (AQ can let you use either of two database types: PAF and its own. If you will use the .paf database, then you can continue to use PAF, FamilyInsight, PAF Companion and other PAF add-ons with AQ.) Gaylon Kathy Scott wrote: > To all especially Harry, > > I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it > difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many of > us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then > teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because > the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has to > be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to others. > > I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs but I > know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those whom > I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. I > enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the 'friend' > of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable > with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will > get hooked into the work. > > Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is > concerned You can't be older than I am! > Kathy > > I ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:11 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here saying > get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a working > program and at my age will most likely never process another name with it. > > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, could > put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain it when > I was teaching it. > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: > >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all >> together different? >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Kathy, compared to you I  most likely not even born yet. Harry WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we are when we learn our past --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: From: Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 12:28 PM Kathy is right! Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way around. One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. And what you do has to interest you. Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They work ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our own as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it did not work after extensive trying – “-call the nearest 14-year-old and watch closely!”. You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge – swap. Helle -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kathy Scott Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? To all especially Harry, I am learning so much from what is being said, but  I am also finding it difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many of us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then teaching others.  I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has to be approached carefully  when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to others. I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs but I know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those whom I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. I enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the 'friend' of  most members over in England;  those not using it or not comfortable with the computer I  go along with what best suits them so that they will get hooked into the work. Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is concerned  You can't be older than I am! Kathy E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) Databaseversion: 6.12330 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am still using PAF and have a huge tree of over 30,000 names in it.Is it easy to transfer such a big file into Rootsmagic and does RM allow you to colour the names that have had their Temple work done for them etc.Or does one of the other programmes deal with transfers and name identification better. Thanks Dave Whittall now in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Scott" <nascott@cinci.rr.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > John, > > I had used PAF Insight before I switched to RootsMagic 3 and when my > subscription was finished for the year I was expected to pay for an > additional year that I did not. As I remember, the cost was the same as > the > original subscription and that was what I was basing my focus on. It > could > be that Family Insight is different? > > No offense, but I have been trained at our FHC to use FamilyInsight along > with the other librarians and we think that the syncing process is > difficult > to use. Although we like it better than the syncing for Ancestral File > which we were also trained on to help Patrons that come in. > > I agree with you that some software programs do have yearly updates, RM > does > not have a history of that. Also I have also already received a free > upgrade on RM4 since it was released and there is a note that > automatically > appears when an upgrade has been made. > > My point is that for the money, with RM4 you get an program with so much > more power than PAF that also has a great syncing feature built-in. > > I just love all the great features RM4 has plus it is so easy to convert > PAF > over. I was thankful that whoever gave me the advice to change from PAF > on > this forum to RM did so even though I was using PAF Insight at the time > along with PAF. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Vilburn > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 03:15 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > Nancy Scott said: >> If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription >> ... > > That is a common misconception. When you buy a copy of FamilyInsight ($25) > you get a year of free updates. You can continue to use it after that > without paying a cent more. > > Most programs come out with a new version every year. To get the new > version > > you have to pay an upgrade price. > > At Ohana Software we choose to make our enhancements available throughout > the year so you can use them as soon as possible. Since we are > continuously > updating FamilyInsight and adding new features, most people choose to buy > another year of updates for $15 when their initial year of free updates > runs > > out. In practice it isn't much different than buying the updated version > of > any program, except that you don't have to wait a full year to get the new > features. > > Aloha, > John Vilburn > Ohana Software LLC > www.ohanasoftware.com > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Doris, the LDS tutorials are here http://www.rootsmagic.com/fs/ There is a tutorial on the CD, but I don't believe it covers the things you are talking about. I believe you are in Ogden, but, I am teaching Bruce's RM class at the UVPAFUG on Saturday if you want to drive down. http://www.uvpafug.org/meeting.htm And I'd suggest Randy Seaver's Genea-Musings blog as he has been learning RM and posting his experiences with it at: http://www.geneamusings.com/2009/04/working-in-rootsmagic-4-post-15.html Also, I have been syncing my database to nfs for about a month and I have about 2700 of my people linked --- got a long way to go. As fanatic as I am about my database, I'm amazed how many problems I am uncovering --- and of course shocked at how many more duplicate ordinances I have found that I thought had not been done. I had manually checked and rechecked, used other add-on programs etc and still RM found more. But I'm cleaning up nfs :-) SueM DORIS BATEMAN wrote: > I came in a bit late on this subject; I guess the summary of the many messages on this subject is that people are happy with Family Insight, Ancestral quest, and Roots Magic. I think the one you like best may be more of a function of what is easier for your to learn based on how you learn and your previous software experiences than on the program itself. I would just like to point out two things: One, as mentioned is that all three of these programs have free trial periods, and the other is that they all have good tutorials on their websites that you can view to see some of their features. I have been a great fan of PAF Insight since its earliest days, and beta tested Ancestral Quest, but have chosen to work with Roots Magic as it has some features I really, really like, and have found it very easy to use. I have been doing a methodical clean up and combining of NFS, family by family, and in 5 hours Monday I did 191 people on Roots Magic using it on my laptop next to my! > desktop with NFS on it, which is much faster than I can go doing NFS alone. I checked for a while to make sure that every change I made in Roots magic "took" in NFS, and it did a very good job, but I have just a few questions about Roots Magic I wonder if someone can answer. For me, I can tell what changes I am making to both NFS and to my database when I sync a lot more precisely than I can with the other programs. > 1. Can you currently change the NFS summary screen using RM? > 2. Is there a way to keep the changes you have just made from showing up one the "what's new" list? > > I also feel it has some very powerful features I have not explored in refining my sources, fixing place names, geocoding. Are there any lessons anywhere in using these features? > > Doris > >

Harry, Harry Laughman <h85730@yahoo.com Just my comments on what program to use. I have used Ancestral Quest and PAF5. Using PAFInsight before FamilyInsight came out. I find it is very easy to use with FamilyInsight. PAF5 is the old standby. It will be supported but not updated. The FamilyInsight was easy for me to use with the New FamilySearch as PAFInsight prepared the way for the FamilyInsight Program. I have used AQ and PAF5 but prefer PAF5 because of the FamilyInsight. I suppose it all in what you get use to. I still use AQ for my Web Pages and such. I guess you just need to pick to your needs. If you don't want to bother learning a new program stick with what you know and like. Just my Opinion, Donna Autrey, FHC Redding 1st Ward, California ----- Original Message ----- From: <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 190 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember > to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NFS print preview (Nancy Gibert) > 2. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Gaylon Findlay) > 3. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Harry Laughman) > 4. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Gaylon Findlay) > 5. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Harry Laughman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:37:52 -0400 > From: "Nancy Gibert" <nlgibert@ameritech.net> > Subject: [LDS-WC] NFS print preview > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9D45B5BDCF38431CB4384337542E984E@homeoffice.jag> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a previous message that I wrote on understanding NFS someone suggested > I > do a print preview before I printed out the FOR, if I understood right. I > don't see an option to do a print preview. I just printed out a FOR so I > will run to the temple and see what the cards look like. Our youth are > going to the temple tomorrow night. > > Thanks > Nancy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:05:36 -0600 > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4A0071E0.7070209@ancquest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all >> together different? >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>> insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:11:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Harry Laughman <h85730@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <178956.97431.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here > saying get rid of PAF and get another program?? I don't like NFS as a > working program and? at my age will most likely never process another name > with it. > ? > Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, > could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and explain > it when I was teaching it. > ? > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM > > > Harry: > > Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS > Church's desktop database manager. > > PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived > from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. > > Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were > not derived from Ancestral Quest. > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: >> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something all >> together different? >>? >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >> >> >> Peter: >> >> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >> >> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >> >> Gaylon Findlay >> Incline Software >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >>??? >>> Hi! >>> >>>??? >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>>??? >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>> insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>>??? >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>? ? >>>? ??? >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>??? > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:56:34 -0600 > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4A00D232.5090600@ancquest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Harry: > > No, that is not what I'm saying. > > I think there has been an assumption in this discussion that we are > talking about programs that can work with NFS. PAF can't do that without > help. So we've been talking about replacing or supplementing PAF for > those that want to use NFS. > > If you don't want to use NFS, as you indicate, and don't want any > supplements for PAF, then just keep on using PAF by itself. It still > runs. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." > > What we're saying is that if you want to stay with PAF, and you also > want to use NFS, then AQ lets you continue to use PAF, while using AQ > just as a bridge to connect your PAF data with NFS. AQ *could* replace > your PAF, but AQ can also let you keep using PAF and act as a supplement > to PAF. We have gone to a lot of work over the last 2+ years to engineer > a means to add the NFS syncing capability into a PAF database for this > very reason. Keep your PAF if you are more comfortable with it! > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: >> So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here >> saying get rid of PAF and get another program? I don't like NFS as a >> working program and at my age will most likely never process another >> name with it. >> >> Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, >> could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and >> explain it when I was teaching it. >> >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM >> >> >> Harry: >> >> Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS >> Church's desktop database manager. >> >> PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived >> from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. >> >> Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were >> not derived from Ancestral Quest. >> >> Gaylon >> >> >> Harry Laughman wrote: >> >>> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >>> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something >>> all together different? >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who >>> we are when we learn our past >>> >>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >>> >>> >>> Peter: >>> >>> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >>> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >>> >>> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >>> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >>> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >>> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >>> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >>> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >>> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >>> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >>> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >>> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >>> >>> Gaylon Findlay >>> Incline Software >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>>> the >>>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>>> recording >>>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>>> by >>>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>>> they >>>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>>> insights >>>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>>> for >>>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>>> you >>>> might recommend. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter F. Thorne >>>> >>>> Toms River, NJ >>>> >>>> >>>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Harry Laughman <h85730@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <702835.68225.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Gaylon? ok? do you see a point in the future where , due to my operateing > syatem, that PAF will not work? Now I have VISTA and having no problems. > ? > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: > > > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:56 PM > > > Harry: > > No, that is not what I'm saying. > > I think there has been an assumption in this discussion that we are > talking about programs that can work with NFS. PAF can't do that without > help. So we've been talking about replacing or supplementing PAF for > those that want to use NFS. > > If you don't want to use NFS, as you indicate, and don't want any > supplements for PAF, then just keep on using PAF by itself. It still > runs. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." > > What we're saying is that if you want to stay with PAF, and you also > want to use NFS, then AQ lets you continue to use PAF, while using AQ > just as a bridge to connect your PAF data with NFS. AQ *could* replace > your PAF, but AQ can also let you keep using PAF and act as a supplement > to PAF. We have gone to a lot of work over the last 2+ years to engineer > a means to add the NFS syncing capability into a PAF database for this > very reason. Keep your PAF if you are more comfortable with it! > > Gaylon > > > Harry Laughman wrote: >> So Gaylon are you and all the discussion in the past 24 hours on here >> saying get rid of PAF and get another program?? I don't like NFS as a >> working program and? at my age will most likely never process another >> name with it. >>? >> Reason I like PAF and had so many people get it I , a computer dummy, >> could put my data into it and knew where it was and what I had and >> explain it when I was teaching it. >>? >> Harry >> >> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we >> are when we learn our past >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:05 AM >> >> >> Harry: >> >> Personal Ancestral File (PAF) is the trademarked name of the LDS >> Church's desktop database manager. >> >> PAF versions 4 and 5 (with the latest subversion being 5.2) are derived >> from Ancestral Quest 3.0. These are the Windows versions of PAF. >> >> Earlier versions of PAF (3.0 and earlier) were DOS programs, and were >> not derived from Ancestral Quest. >> >> Gaylon >> >> >> Harry Laughman wrote: >>??? >>> Ok now I am confuse, I have been useing Personal Ancestral File 5.0 >>> Gaylon is this what your refering to or are you refering to something >>> all together different? >>>??? >>> Harry >>> >>> WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who >>> we are when we learn our past >>> >>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> >>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:21 AM >>> >>> >>> Peter: >>> >>> I suspect that you mean, "Personal Ancestral File" rather than "Personal >>> Ancestry File". Affectionately known as "PAF". >>> >>> A little known fact is that the Windows versions of PAF were created >>> from an older version of Ancestral Quest, by Incline Software. (Incline >>> Software donated a copy of the AQ code to the LDS Church in 1999, and >>> thus most members of the Church are using a slightly modified copy of >>> Ancestral Quest, but with the name changed to "Personal Ancestral >>> File".) You might want to look at the current version of Ancestral Quest >>> (you can download a free trial of the program at www.ancquest.com). You >>> will find that it looks and acts an awful lot like PAF, because it is >>> mostly the same as PAF, but with many major enhancements -- like the >>> ability to sync your PAF data with New FamilySearch. >>> >>> Gaylon Findlay >>> Incline Software >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne wrote: >>>? ? >>>? ??? >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>>? ? >>>> >>>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>>> the >>>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>>> recording >>>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>>> by >>>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>>> >>>>? ? >>>> >>>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>>> they >>>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your >>>> insights >>>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>>> for >>>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>>> you >>>> might recommend. >>>> >>>>? ? >>>> >>>> Peter F. Thorne >>>> >>>> Toms River, NJ >>>> >>>> >>>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>>? ??? >>>>? ? ? >>>>? ? ??? >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>? ? >>>? ??? >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>??? > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 190 > *************************************************** >

I came in a bit late on this subject; I guess the summary of the many messages on this subject is that people are happy with Family Insight, Ancestral quest, and Roots Magic. I think the one you like best may be more of a function of what is easier for your to learn based on how you learn and your previous software experiences than on the program itself. I would just like to point out two things: One, as mentioned is that all three of these programs have free trial periods, and the other is that they all have good tutorials on their websites that you can view to see some of their features. I have been a great fan of PAF Insight since its earliest days, and beta tested Ancestral Quest, but have chosen to work with Roots Magic as it has some features I really, really like, and have found it very easy to use. I have been doing a methodical clean up and combining of NFS, family by family, and in 5 hours Monday I did 191 people on Roots Magic using it on my laptop next to my desktop with NFS on it, which is much faster than I can go doing NFS alone. I checked for a while to make sure that every change I made in Roots magic "took" in NFS, and it did a very good job, but I have just a few questions about Roots Magic I wonder if someone can answer. For me, I can tell what changes I am making to both NFS and to my database when I sync a lot more precisely than I can with the other programs. 1. Can you currently change the NFS summary screen using RM? 2. Is there a way to keep the changes you have just made from showing up one the "what's new" list? I also feel it has some very powerful features I have not explored in refining my sources, fixing place names, geocoding. Are there any lessons anywhere in using these features? Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter F. Thorne<mailto:thornept@comcast.net> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? Hi! I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you might recommend. Peter F. Thorne Toms River, NJ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter Says: I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the announcement that this program will no longer be supported.... Peter F. Thorne Toms River, NJ Donna in Canada Says: I have not heard any announcement about PAF (Personal Ancestral File) not being supported by the church. Have heard the church is not updating or making any changes to PAF. The church still supports PAF just not updating. Check KD 102204 in the Help Center in new FamilySearch. from that document: PAF Is Still Needed PAF is one of the genealogy database programs that can produce GEDCOM files, which can be uploaded to the new FamilySearch. While there are no plans to further develop PAF, it remains a dependable and easy-to-use program

Have been having the same problem at our FHC. Thought it was the patron who did not log out. Then tried it myself and found the same problem. Talked to Ancestry and they could not give me an answer. So just make sure you log out and then double check to make sure, if now log out again until it takes. Kathy in Baltimore --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Using Ancestry at FHC > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 9:46 PM > I have the exact same problem. I log off, clear the cache, > shut down > the browser and go back to Ancestry and I am still logged > in. It takes > several attempts before it actually will let me log off at > the FHC. > > Miles Meyer > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Joan Raney > <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > > I haven't gotten the error on page message, but I > have to log off and click > > refresh 3 times before it will log me off.  I > don't understand that.  I can > > logoff just fine at home. > > > > Joan in NC > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I use my own subscription to ancestry at the FHC all the time and have never had a problem with it. Amy Paulden Ward Prescott, AZ Stake > From: nlgibert@ameritech.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:34:24 -0400 > Subject: [LDS-WC] Using Ancestry at FHC > > > Does anyone have problems using their own subscription to ancestry at the > FHC? I am forever getting error on page message. Some things work but it > is very frustrating. > Thanks > Nancy > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have followed the entries from the others and agree with some and leave it to each to use the program he or she prefers. I have for ages used PAF, gone on to AQ, been around Brothers Keeper and ended using Legacy. And with Legacy I found a program working well for all the things I need it for. I have over time received large ged.coms so a VERY good merge function is a MUST for me. I like that Legacy merges all related - sometimes it takes ages because I started with a person close to present. The important part for me is that I do not have to handle EVERY person individually. It has another great feature - it is available in my mother tongue - Danish. Though it has a big flaw for present it does not cooperate with NFS. Maybe they wait for FSFT - who knows? But I have paid the fee for RootsMagic4 and have that running on my desktop along with NFS and www.arkivalieronline.dk <http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/> (online images of all Danish Church records and censes). On my laptop I run Legacy and have all updated simultaneously - works beautifully. Str. Helle Hirschmann Slagelse ward Denmark Copenhagen Stake > Peter F. Thorne wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With the >> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for recording >> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced by >> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >> >> >> >> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what they >> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking for >> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs you >> might recommend. >> >> >> >> Peter F. Thorne >> >> Toms River, NJ >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) Databaseversion: 6.12320 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) Databaseversion: 6.12320 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

I don't have problems using my subscription to Ancestry at the FHC, but I have a terrible time logging off as do others who use their subscription there. We have 4 computers, and the problem occurs on all the computers. Last Thursday I logged on, and there was the director's subscription. I know that she carefully logs out. I finally got her logged out after 3 attempts. Then I set up my own subscription, but I could not get it to log off nor could my husband. The consultant who works on Saturday finally got my subscription from Thurs. morning to log off Saturday. I don't know why we have this problem. Any ideas? Sylvia -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Raney Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:37 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Using Ancestry at FHC I haven't gotten the error on page message, but I have to log off and click refresh 3 times before it will log me off. I don't understand that. I can logoff just fine at home. Joan in NC On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Nancy Gibert <nlgibert@ameritech.net> wrote: > > Does anyone have problems using their own subscription to ancestry at the > FHC? I am forever getting error on page message. Some things work but it > is very frustrating. > Thanks > Nancy > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aside from that... I am sure Gordon B. Hinckley would have welcomed his cousin, Stanley Ann Durham in Paradise. Gordon is 8th great grandson of Samuel Hinckley Stanley Ann Durham is 9th great granddaughter of same Samuel Hinckley David Samuelsen Paula Goodfellow wrote: > I thought some of you might be interested in this story that's hitting > the news tonight: > > http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705301616,00.html > > ABC news has reported on it, and there are also some pretty mean blog > posts about it. All the more reason to make sure we follow the rules > when submit names. Stanley Dunham's name does appear in the IGI, with > ordinances, but at newfamilysearch, it's not clear that the ordinances > were actually done. (Yes her name was Stanley. Born Kansas 1942 if you > want to look for her.) > > You can also see the names of the submitters at newfamilysearch. I > imagine they've been contacted already by the church, from the sound > of the Deseret News article. Paula

several safeguards were ignored in this case. 1. 110 year rule 2. no permission from immediate family. and the record is not gone from the nFS. They are there, you can't find her name right away, so you have to go to her grandparents to find your way back to her. However, ordinances are not done at all. And I noticed something strange - the submitter appears to be of Kenya. David Samuelsen Paula Goodfellow wrote: > I thought some of you might be interested in this story that's hitting > the news tonight: > > http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705301616,00.html > > ABC news has reported on it, and there are also some pretty mean blog > posts about it. All the more reason to make sure we follow the rules > when submit names. Stanley Dunham's name does appear in the IGI, with > ordinances, but at newfamilysearch, it's not clear that the ordinances > were actually done. (Yes her name was Stanley. Born Kansas 1942 if you > want to look for her.) > > You can also see the names of the submitters at newfamilysearch. I > imagine they've been contacted already by the church, from the sound > of the Deseret News article. Paula > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

That is true but I do not want to back up after each entry. This is pain. Other programs I use in my profession allows me undo my work if I make a mistake. I hope one of the other programs for recording my family data out there will also allow me feature!!!!!!!!!! On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > PAF allows users to back up and then restore, and prompts them to do so > before a merge operation, for instance (because that is one that is pretty > tough to undo). PAF will also prompt for regular back-ups in case there is a > major "oops" -- of course, data entered or changed after the back-up has to > be entered and/or changed again. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Brother Bowen" <brotherbowen@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:24 PM > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > >> Do any of these programs have a "oops" command to go back if one makes >> a mistake? I know PAF does not. >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> wrote: >>> While it is true that PAF will be supported but not upgraded, I believe >>> finding the most reasonable priced program and one with the most >>> effective >>> syncing and upgrades is important.  I changed to RootsMagic about a year >>> ago >>> at a suggestion from someone in the Group and was delighted with it.  It >>> recently came out with RM4 and I am thrilled with the syncing >>> capabilities >>> and the many features that you will not find in PAF or other software. >>> >>> If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription >>> that >>> is more than the total cost of RM4 right now if you are a PAF user and >>> want >>> to switch.  RM4 already has the syncing tool in the program for that >>> price. >>> Right now you can purchase RM4 for $19.95 through the end of May.  RM4 is >>> a >>> very powerful tool and there are RM4 groups through out the country that >>> you >>> can join to help you use the tool.  I have joined one here about a year >>> ago >>> and am the only church member.  Genealogists who are serious about >>> researching love RM4.  One of the Consultants in my Ward who serves at >>> the >>> Freedom Center here in Cincinnati and has done tons of FH recently >>> switched >>> at my suggestion and is very happy with it.  She is also switching over >>> her >>> sister who has a handicap from a stroke because of the features that >>> allow >>> you to click on changes you want to make rather than rekeying. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is a link if you want to try out either program in a demo form free >>> also:  http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm >>> >>> >>> Pricing >>> RootsMagic 4 is available for only $29.95.  Existing RootsMagic and >>> Family >>> Origins users may upgrade for only $19.95. >>> Discount Offer >>> For the first time in company history, users of other genealogy software >>> programs can receive a competitive upgrade discount.  Through May 31, >>> 2009, >>> users of Personal Ancestral File (PAF), Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family >>> Tree, or The Master Genealogist  may purchase RootsMagic 4 for only >>> $19.95, >>> saving $10 off of the regular price. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Genealogy Insider posted this about FS awards given recently with RM4 >>> receiving Best Dashboard and Easiest to Sync: >>> >>> The 2009 FamilySearch Software Award winners, which include desktop >>> programs, online tools and developers' tools, were named last night at >>> the >>> FamilySearch Developers Conference in Provo, Utah. >>> >>> Here's the list (click a program's name to visit its Web site): >>> >>> Desktop Productivity >>> Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Best Listing Tool >>> FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Standardizer >>> RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Best Dashboard >>> >>> Desktop Syncing or Tree-Cleaning >>> Ancestral Quest (Incline Software): Most Comprehensive Syncing >>> FamilyInsight (Ohana Software): Best Person Separator >>> RootsMagic 4 (RootsMagic): Easiest to Sync >>> >>> Desktop Use of Media >>> Charting Companion (Progeny Software): Best for Desktop Printing >>> >>> Web Productivity >>> Grow Branch (US Family Tree): Best Web Site Feature for Publishing >>> (LDS Church members can use this service to submit ancestors for temple >>> work.) >>> >>> Web Use of Media >>> Generation Maps: Best Web Site Feature for Printing >>> TreeSeek: Best Web Site Feature for Mapping (requires users to have a >>> "New >>> Family Search" account) >>> >>> Developers Choice Awards >>> David Pugmire's fsapi.net: Best API Library >>> Ben Godard's fs-ubiquity: Potential Future Impact on the Genealogy >>> Industry >>> >>> See FamilyTreeMagazine.com's genealogy software guide for information >>> desktop programs for Mac and Windows. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Below is a clip about the features that are new.  One I don't see listed >>> is >>> that it is written in Unicode which impressed my System's Manager >>> husband. >>> >>> Unicode Support >>> So what is Unicode?  Basically Unicode support means that RootsMagic >>> isn't >>> limited to just "western European" languages anymore.  RootsMagic 4 can >>> now >>> handle Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, and most any other language you can throw >>> at >>> it. >>> >>> Impressive New Features >>> >>> "RootsMagic 4 is the biggest release in our 20-year history of making >>> genealogy software," said Bruce Buzbee, president.  "We've updated >>> RootsMagic to work with the latest genealogical technologies available >>> today, while staying true to our mission to make family history easy, >>> accessible, and fun." >>> >>> RootsMagic 4 boasts an impressive list of new features including >>> integrated >>> web search, improved SourceWizard for citing sources, sharing events >>> among >>> multiple persons, creating pre-defined groups of persons, person and >>> place >>> mapping, recording DNA tests, and improved navigation and data entry. >>> RootsMagic 4 is also one of the only desktop genealogy programs certified >>> to >>> work with "New FamilySearch". >>> >>> >>> I am more than happy with RM4 and also was with RM3. >>> >>> Nancy Scott >>> Cincinnati, Ohio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter F. >>> Thorne >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:06 PM >>> To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using Personal Ancestry File published by the Church. With >>> the >>> announcement that this program will no longer be supported, I have been >>> considering selecting a commercial program. While NFS is great for >>> recording >>> information, I felt that research for new information might be enhanced >>> by >>> subscribing to Ancestry, RootsMagic or similar program. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that I have no knowledge about commercial programs and what >>> they >>> offer. Consequently, I felt some of you might share some of your insights >>> and experiences that would help me in this decision. I am also looking >>> for >>> other programs for personal history, family atlas or any other programs >>> you >>> might recommend. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter F. Thorne >>> >>> Toms River, NJ >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dave, I personally do not have a huge tree that was transferred to RM4 but the Director of our Family History Center has at least at big a file as you mention and the other consultant in my Ward who recently changed to RM4 has a huge file and did not have any problems. There is color coding though I have not used it myself. Below is what I pasted from the Help Center for RM4: The normal text color is black, and this is used on screen an in reports. Color coding lets you assign colors to the names of people in your database so they are easily distinguished from others in the database. You can set or clear the display color for any group of people. Ø Set colorolor – Lets you choose the color to set for a group of people. You can select from 14 different colors. Ø Clear colorolor – Lets you clear the colorr for any group of people Ø Clear all colorolors – Lets you clear (reset) the color for the entire database You can perform these operations for: Ø Ancestors of the current person Ø Descendants of the current person. You can optionally choose to include spouses as well with the descendants. Ø People selected from a list. If you choose this option, RootsMagic will bring up the Select people screen for you to choose the individuals whose color you want to set. Ø Highlighted person. Click OK to color code the group of people. If you specified the option to select people from the list, after you click OK the Select people dialog will open for you to choose the individuals whose color you want to set. Click Cancel to close the window making any changes. I would suggest downloading the demo if you want to try anything out. I believe that you cannot download your entire file so you would need to transfer a Gedcom with a smaller group to see how it works. Not sure if I gave you this link before or not: http://www.rootsmagic.com/demo.htm Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david whittall Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 09:02 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? I am still using PAF and have a huge tree of over 30,000 names in it.Is it easy to transfer such a big file into Rootsmagic and does RM allow you to colour the names that have had their Temple work done for them etc.Or does one of the other programmes deal with transfers and name identification better. Thanks Dave Whittall now in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Scott" <nascott@cinci.rr.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > John, > > I had used PAF Insight before I switched to RootsMagic 3 and when my > subscription was finished for the year I was expected to pay for an > additional year that I did not. As I remember, the cost was the same as > the > original subscription and that was what I was basing my focus on. It > could > be that Family Insight is different? > > No offense, but I have been trained at our FHC to use FamilyInsight along > with the other librarians and we think that the syncing process is > difficult > to use. Although we like it better than the syncing for Ancestral File > which we were also trained on to help Patrons that come in. > > I agree with you that some software programs do have yearly updates, RM > does > not have a history of that. Also I have also already received a free > upgrade on RM4 since it was released and there is a note that > automatically > appears when an upgrade has been made. > > My point is that for the money, with RM4 you get an program with so much > more power than PAF that also has a great syncing feature built-in. > > I just love all the great features RM4 has plus it is so easy to convert > PAF > over. I was thankful that whoever gave me the advice to change from PAF > on > this forum to RM did so even though I was using PAF Insight at the time > along with PAF. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Vilburn > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 03:15 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > Nancy Scott said: >> If you purchase Family Insight you will be paying a yearly subscription >> ... > > That is a common misconception. When you buy a copy of FamilyInsight ($25) > you get a year of free updates. You can continue to use it after that > without paying a cent more. > > Most programs come out with a new version every year. To get the new > version > > you have to pay an upgrade price. > > At Ohana Software we choose to make our enhancements available throughout > the year so you can use them as soon as possible. Since we are > continuously > updating FamilyInsight and adding new features, most people choose to buy > another year of updates for $15 when their initial year of free updates > runs > > out. In practice it isn't much different than buying the updated version > of > any program, except that you don't have to wait a full year to get the new > features. > > Aloha, > John Vilburn > Ohana Software LLC > www.ohanasoftware.com > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the exact same problem. I log off, clear the cache, shut down the browser and go back to Ancestry and I am still logged in. It takes several attempts before it actually will let me log off at the FHC. Miles Meyer On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Joan Raney <joanie13@gmail.com> wrote: > I haven't gotten the error on page message, but I have to log off and click > refresh 3 times before it will log me off.  I don't understand that.  I can > logoff just fine at home. > > Joan in NC >

I think what Peter needs to do is try each of the programs using their trial copies. It will not change his data in PAF at all. He can just delete the trial versions when he is finished playing with them. Each person needs to figure out which program works the best for THEM. However, I have tried all the programs discussed; Ancestral Quest, Legacy, PAF, and RootsMagic. I am a firm believer that RootsMagic is by far, the easiest to learn and use. There are so many functions that RM has but you only need to use those that you are comfortable with. RootsMagic 4 is the ONLY genealogy software that is certified for "Temple Trips". I can sync all my people in my database directly to the same person in nFS/FamilyTree and move data back and forth between the two programs with the click of a box. I can select people for temple work, keep them or send them to the temple for others to work, and print my FOR's from within the program. With the exception of some really complicated combines I never have to go to nfs/FT. As an added help, you can go to my blog and in the bottom right, I have links to the programs used in the FHC and links to their "how-to's". http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Moving your data into RM is as easy as clicking on import file from PAF and say yes. Within seconds the file is populated in RM. The other really great thing in RM is the FamilySearch Central. This function keeps track of all the temple work you have done. It tells you in both text and graph form what people have been synced to nfs/FT, which ones have informaton that you need to compare with your data (changes that have been made), and those people who still need work or need to be synced. Sue david whittall wrote: > I am still using PAF and have a huge tree of over 30,000 names in it.Is it > easy to transfer such a big file into Rootsmagic and does RM allow you to > colour the names that have had their Temple work done for them etc.Or does > one of the other programmes deal with transfers and name identification > better. > Thanks > Dave Whittall now in New Zealand >

Hey, I gave my first 2.5 minute talk in Sunday School too! :-) :-) I was so scared I thought my heart was going to leap out of my chest! Thanks for the memory! Those were indeed the "good ole days!" Joan in NC On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk>wrote: > I miss the sacrament twice every Sunday and singing and rehearsing songs > for > sacrament meeting. But most I miss the hours I spent with the other members > between the meetings in their homes eating a sandwich and just being > together - merely because it was too far to go home between meetings. > > But I know it was Sunday school because: > :-) At that time women were not to speak in sacrament meetings as far as I > remember. > > I was so new and so shaky about speaking - but the sun was shining. > > :-) Helle > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Harry > Laughman > Sendt: 2. maj 2009 22:53 > Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] No-one is "stupid" > > Helle, I didn't think anyone remembered giving talks in Sunday School any > more. That seemed so long ago. > > Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) > Databaseversion: 6.12300 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >