I'm with you, lets talk about something that's important and something we have control of. And cut out the unnecessary thread you are comminting to. it's filling up my space. It's a beautiful day. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACKSON SONNEBORN" <klompen@verizon.net> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done,inappropriately >I have been reading the enormous amount of words and time being spent on >this subject. All of you must have more important things to worry about. >You are preaching to the choir. > > Leave it alone. Do some home teaching or visiting teaching or help a > member who doesn't have a computer to get their Temple work done. > > Also, get off the discussion as to what program to use. Try them and see > which one fits your personal needs and you feel comfortable using. The FHC > havs them all installed for your use. > > Have a nice day! > >

I have been reading the enormous amount of words and time being spent on this subject.  All of you must have more important things to worry about. You are preaching to the choir. Leave it alone. Do some home teaching or visiting teaching or help a member who doesn't have a computer to get their Temple work done. Also, get off the discussion as to what program to use.  Try them and see which one fits your personal needs and you feel comfortable using.  The FHC havs them all installed for your use. Have a nice day! --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Sahara346@aol.com <Sahara346@aol.com> wrote: From: Sahara346@aol.com <Sahara346@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, inappropriately To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:38 PM I understand what you're saying Jill, because in my work for the Genealogy Society, I come up with a lot that I'd love to see on NFS, so that possibly someone could find them (I have a list that I've been building that I call "no known survivors", and there were no known immediate family for them at the time of their death. There may be extended family somewhere...) Would it be appropriate to put it into NFS so that possibly someone could find them that IS related? Or at least save time in the millenium when a lot of questions will be answered. Karen In a message dated 5/7/2009 4:29:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: Paula asked: But wouldn't nfs have prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it wasn't linked into their tree? No, I don't think so. I do a lot of research that is not related to me, and I hate to see it "wasted" when it comes to ordinance work. I go ahead and enter my research into NFS, not related to me, and it always asks if I want to submit the work. I have to tell the program no and hope that someone related finds it someday. I have contacted the Church about this, because if they don't want people submitting work for unrelated people, they should at least stop asking if we want to do it!!!! Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Big savings on Dell’s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > Just playing devil's advocate for a moment: > > By the way, both the paternal and maternal lines of the president have been made "not available" for multiple generations -- even for those individuals born more than 110 years ago. False. Check out Kennedy family. Also Richard Milhous Nixon, there for all to see Lyndon Baines Johnson Franklin Delano Roosevelt (done in 1947) Harry S Truman Calvin Coolidge William Howard Taft William McKinley Gerald Ford/Leslie Lynch King Ronald Reagan (in process, baptism in Monterrey, Mexico, confirmation in New Zealand), few other submissions with more accurate info - "not ready" but not (all entries even in nFS are marked not available, completed or ready) Dwight David Eisenhower (Ike) Warren Gamaliel Harding (I see a connection to him myself) Herbert Clark Hoover (anyone with direct ancestor Simon Bradstreet might have a chance) Guess it's either overzealous or family guidelines were followed, whereas their parents are done and visible. Joe Biden, the VP - that is completely different story, nothing first 4 generations! Dick Cheney, oogles on his wife Lynne Anne Vincent whose grandfather was LDS and plenty of Dick's due to Massachusetts connections Guess it's either overzealous or family guidelines were followed, whereas their parents are done and visible. W. David Samuelsen

Alan: AQ versions 3-11 would work with a PAF 4 database. Starting with version 12, AQ can convert a PAF 4 file into either a PAF 5 file or to a .aq file, but not work with it directly. AQ versions 12 and later work with a PAF 5 file. I think you are asking whether you can use AQ's latest features to sync with nFS on a PAF 4 file. No, you'd have to convert the PAF 4 file to a PAF 5 file for this. Gaylon Whitcomb wrote: > Gaylon, > > This feature (which I don't need, because I submitted all my stuff to the > PRF) is a neat feature.. I wish I knew about that feature in AQ when nFS > rolled out in Spain. > > I refrained from asking in your demonstration (I didn't want to distract > you) if AQ could be an add-in to PAF 4? I also neglected saying that AQ is > happy running under Ubuntu and WINE which I find really neat. > > Using the program today while preparing a demonstration on another floor of > the FHL, I found a family with a sister to one of my ancestors! > > Alan W. .. off to watch more demos on AQ. (I know I shouldn't use the > acronym RTFM here). > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com>wrote: > > >> Alan: >> >> Let me elaborate just a bit on this feature. You saw in the demo how to >> upload one family at a time. There is a way to upload larger groups of >> data in lieu of using GEDCOM. If you haven't watched it, go to >> http://www.ancquest.com/Ver12-1Tutorials.htm and watch the video >> entitled "Upload Data to NFS" -- about 7 minutes. This is a technique >> you can use in AQ to get your PAF or GEDCOM data into nFS without using >> the nFS GEDCOM upload. It compares all your local records with nFS >> before the upload, so you only upload the records that are not already >> in nFS. >> >> Gaylon >> >> >> Whitcomb wrote: >> >>> I just left another presentation on AQ here at the Family History >>> >> Library. >> >>> One feature I had not paid any attention to.. but would be very useful >>> >> (one >> >>> time) is the ability to upload all your data to nFS. I know people that >>> have uploaded their GEDCOMs through the nFS website only to get the data >>> >> all >> >>> screwed up. >>> >>> When uploading through the website.. it does not check for existing >>> >> records, >> >>> which caused a mess for several FHC Directors and others when nFS came >>> >> out >> >>> in Spain. >>> >>> I would like to hear if any other program does that. >>> >>> Alan W. >>> digging through the microfilms.. finding ancestors, problems, and making >>> >> new >> >>> friends. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Kathy is right! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the >>>> patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way >>>> >> around. >> >>>> >>>> One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. >>>> >> And >> >>>> what you do has to interest you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones >>>> mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They >>>> >> work >> >>>> ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our >>>> >> own >> >>>> as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it >>>> did >>>> not work after extensive trying – “-call the nearest 14-year-old and >>>> >> watch >> >>>> closely!”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge >>>> >> – >> >>>> swap. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Helle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>>> Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kathy >>>> >> Scott >> >>>> Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 >>>> Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>>> Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To all especially Harry, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it >>>> >>>> difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many >>>> >> of >> >>>> us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then >>>> >>>> teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not >>>> >> because >> >>>> the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has >>>> >> to >> >>>> be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to >>>> >> others. >> >>>> >>>> I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs >>>> >> but >> >>>> I >>>> >>>> >>>> know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those >>>> >> whom >> >>>> I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. >>>> >> I >> >>>> enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the >>>> 'friend' >>>> >>>> >>>> of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable >>>> >>>> with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they >>>> >> will >> >>>> get hooked into the work. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is >>>> >>>> concerned You can't be older than I am! >>>> >>>> Kathy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) >>>> Databaseversion: 6.12330 >>>> http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >>>> >>>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Karen asked: Would it be appropriate to put it into NFS so that possibly someone could find them that IS related? Yes, it's appropriate to share your research on anyone that you have research for, assuming that you have permission from a client if it is work done for someone else. There is no problem with submitting and sharing "research." What I have learned is that there may be a time when the temples will "extract" information from NFS for individuals that has been entered but the temple work has not been done. My hope is that if no family ever finds my unrelated research, that perhaps someday a temple might pull it into a temple file. Jill Crandell

all these e mails on the Presidents mother hung up my e mail for hours. This is really too much, and not a nice april fools or any other trick. Marain ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, inappropriately OT > This is well known April's fool but the one I dropped is REAL and wasn't > through Facebook or anything else. Just a phone call. > > David > > Naomi Martineau wrote: >> Ha, ha, a bombshell? >> Does anyone here use Facebook? They have a "you're related" service to >> help you find relatives. I haven't really used it, because I have plenty >> of relatives and ways to find them. But they sometimes send notices that >> so-and-so may be a relative. They sent me a note that said I'm related >> to President Obama. I didn't think so, but I looked, and it looked >> hokey. Anyway, I guess they sent that to just about everyone on >> Facebook. It was an April Fools joke. Some people were offended, some >> people thought it was a good trick. It looks like people kind of roll >> with the punches when it comes to Facebook, but the Church has to toe the >> line. >> Naomi in NM > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment:   Question: "How do we know that the work for Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't originally submitted by a friend of the family? Close friend submissions are permissible. In the article, I didn't notice that anyone said that the Obama family had been asked or not asked."   By the way, both the paternal and maternal lines of the president have been made "not available" for multiple generations -- even for those individuals born more than 110 years ago.   President Obama's mother is not the only example of submissions done in questionable circumstances. (So many submitters are anxiously engaged in a good work but do not always follow guidelines and policies.)   For example, Diana Spencer's ordinances were done in the Mesa Arizona temple and I suppose that her sons (Princes William and Harry) might not have known about it. The 95 year rule was most likely not followed.   Another time, I was trying to put together an American heritage display for a ward activity. I researched various presidential families and discovered that the work for a mother of a president had been done. The unfortunate thing was that this mother was over a 100 years old and STILL living. Yecks!! Now that is a bigger problem than doing ordinances for deceased people.   Although the work for Stanley Ann Dunham probably shouldn't have been done, she may be rejoicing in the spirit world that it was. Who knows? Perhaps some good results will come out of this newspaper article. Some individuals may read it and ask the missionaries to elaborate on the doctrine of temples and family history.   I believe that the guidelines should be followed but am wary of too much time being spent on the topic.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake   Detroit Michigan Temple

I understand what you're saying Jill, because in my work for the Genealogy Society, I come up with a lot that I'd love to see on NFS, so that possibly someone could find them (I have a list that I've been building that I call "no known survivors", and there were no known immediate family for them at the time of their death. There may be extended family somewhere...) Would it be appropriate to put it into NFS so that possibly someone could find them that IS related? Or at least save time in the millenium when a lot of questions will be answered. Karen In a message dated 5/7/2009 4:29:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: Paula asked: But wouldn't nfs have prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it wasn't linked into their tree? No, I don't think so. I do a lot of research that is not related to me, and I hate to see it "wasted" when it comes to ordinance work. I go ahead and enter my research into NFS, not related to me, and it always asks if I want to submit the work. I have to tell the program no and hope that someone related finds it someday. I have contacted the Church about this, because if they don't want people submitting work for unrelated people, they should at least stop asking if we want to do it!!!! Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Big savings on Dell’s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg)

Over the years, I have learned that many members believe that they are the "exception" when it comes to following the guidelines for temple ordinance submissions.   We need to remind ourselves that "our collateral relatives are someone else's direct ancestors. Carried too far, we begin to intrude on the rights of others." (Elder Theodore M. Burton, "The Greatest Gift", pp. 248-249).   Sometimes members comment to the effect that "no one else is a member in the family so it is up to me". (This is a misleading idea because the Lord's master plan may need multiple generations to be fulfilled. Family members from future generations can join and straighten out the family lines.)   We want to do good but we  intrude on the precedence of others -- when we presume to have permission that we don't really have. The closest family members have the right to proceed with the ordinances. At the same time they also have the right to keep the ordinances from being done in the first place.   Members need to follow the teachings and guidelines with exactness -- line upon line so to speak. The temple is indeed a house of order. The guidelines for temple submissions are part of keeping order in our temples.    We need to keep our integrity intact and not believe we are the "exception" to the guidelines.   Lastly, we need to remember that there are people who are out to make trouble for the Church. They have a goal to cause contention and upset members and non-members alike.   By following the guidelines we are helping the Church avoid that trouble.   The Church has so much to do and these negative experiences just waste time and energy that should be used for other concerns.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake   Detroit Michigan Temple

In this case, I simply entered the parents and their bits of info of spouse of my relatives and leave at that. The nFS is a way of not allowing spouse's sealing to his/her parents, which suited me just find. Less headaches. David Samuelsen Jill N. Crandell wrote: > I sent this one awhile ago as well, so I hope these aren't duplicated. > > Paula asked: > But wouldn't nfs have prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it > wasn't linked into their tree? > > No, I don't think so. I do a lot of research that is not related to me, and > I hate to see it "wasted" when it comes to ordinance work. I go ahead and > enter my research into NFS, not related to me, and it always asks if I want > to submit the work. I have to tell the program no and hope that someone > related finds it someday. I have contacted the Church about this, because if > they don't want people submitting work for unrelated people, they should at > least stop asking if we want to do it!!!! > > Jill Crandell

This is well known April's fool but the one I dropped is REAL and wasn't through Facebook or anything else. Just a phone call. David Naomi Martineau wrote: > Ha, ha, a bombshell? > Does anyone here use Facebook? They have a "you're related" service to help you find relatives. I haven't really used it, because I have plenty of relatives and ways to find them. But they sometimes send notices that so-and-so may be a relative. They sent me a note that said I'm related to President Obama. I didn't think so, but I looked, and it looked hokey. Anyway, I guess they sent that to just about everyone on Facebook. It was an April Fools joke. Some people were offended, some people thought it was a good trick. It looks like people kind of roll with the punches when it comes to Facebook, but the Church has to toe the line. > Naomi in NM

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment:   Question: "How do we know that the work for Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't originally submitted by a friend of the family? Close friend submissions are permissible. In the article, I didn't notice that anyone said that the Obama family had been asked or not asked."   By the way, both the paternal and maternal lines of the president have been made "not available" for multiple generations -- even for those individuals born more than 110 years ago.   President Obama's mother is not the only example of submissions done in questionable circumstances. (So many submitters are anxiously engaged in a good work but do not always follow guidelines and policies.)   For example, Diana Spencer's ordinances were done in the Mesa Arizona temple and I suppose that her sons (Princes William and Harry) might not have known about it. The 95 year rule was most likely not followed.   Another time, I was trying to put together an American heritage display for a ward activity. I researched various presidential families and discovered that the work for a mother of a president had been done. The unfortunate thing was that this mother was over a 100 years old and STILL living. Yecks!! Now that is a bigger problem than doing ordinances for deceased people.   Although the work for Stanley Ann Dunham probably shouldn't have been done, she may be rejoicing in the spirit world that it was. Who knows? Perhaps some good results will come out of this newspaper article. Some individuals may read it and ask the missionaries to elaborate on the doctrine of temples and family history.   I believe that the guidelines should be followed but am wary of too much time being spent on the topic.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake   Detroit Michigan Temple

Now that we're done talking about Pres. Obama's mother, can we please, please change the subject line? Thanks!  Carol Everett  

nope! it the PRF submitter would show up along with reference to PRF. IGI is in 2 parts, public side is one without any ordinances while members can see when registered and logged in. David Samuelsen > So presumably it was the person in PRF who submitted the name to the > temple and in newfamilysearch they were just people who cleaned up the > information? Her record has been removed from the online IGI now. Paula > > > On May 7, 2009, at 1:03 PM, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >> I checked, the submitter that showed up in nFS does not match at all >> to >> the ones that show up in Pedigree Resource File (PRF). Stanley Ann >> Durham is listed there. PRFs do not necessarily have dates listed. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Paula Goodfellow wrote: >>> I'm wondering about the submitter. I'm guessing that it went through >>> the Temple Ready since it was done in Provo. But wouldn't nfs have >>> prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it wasn't linked into >>> their tree? I suppose they could have created a fake connection >>> somewhere, but that seems pretty far-fetched. Paula >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ha, ha, a bombshell? Does anyone here use Facebook?  They have a "you're related" service to help you find relatives.  I haven't really used it, because I have plenty of relatives and ways to find them.  But they sometimes send notices that so-and-so may be a relative.  They sent me a note that said I'm related to President Obama.  I didn't think so, but I looked, and it looked hokey.  Anyway, I guess they sent that to just about everyone on Facebook.  It was an April Fools joke.  Some people were offended, some people thought it was a good trick.  It looks like people kind of roll with the punches when it comes to Facebook, but the Church has to toe the line. Naomi in NM --- On Thu, 5/7/09, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] FW: President Obama's mother's temple work done, inappropriately To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 2:14 PM Last night I dropped the bombshell on my friend that she is 9th cousin of Barack Obama because I recognized the name in Barack Obama's lines. It is through Barack's maternal grandfather to Pennsylvania. It is well within her rights and obligations to do Temple Work for Barack's parents and grandparents if she have permission from the immediate family since it is less than 95 years. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gaylon, This feature (which I don't need, because I submitted all my stuff to the PRF) is a neat feature.. I wish I knew about that feature in AQ when nFS rolled out in Spain. I refrained from asking in your demonstration (I didn't want to distract you) if AQ could be an add-in to PAF 4? I also neglected saying that AQ is happy running under Ubuntu and WINE which I find really neat. Using the program today while preparing a demonstration on another floor of the FHL, I found a family with a sister to one of my ancestors! Alan W. .. off to watch more demos on AQ. (I know I shouldn't use the acronym RTFM here). On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com>wrote: > Alan: > > Let me elaborate just a bit on this feature. You saw in the demo how to > upload one family at a time. There is a way to upload larger groups of > data in lieu of using GEDCOM. If you haven't watched it, go to > http://www.ancquest.com/Ver12-1Tutorials.htm and watch the video > entitled "Upload Data to NFS" -- about 7 minutes. This is a technique > you can use in AQ to get your PAF or GEDCOM data into nFS without using > the nFS GEDCOM upload. It compares all your local records with nFS > before the upload, so you only upload the records that are not already > in nFS. > > Gaylon > > > Whitcomb wrote: > > I just left another presentation on AQ here at the Family History > Library. > > One feature I had not paid any attention to.. but would be very useful > (one > > time) is the ability to upload all your data to nFS. I know people that > > have uploaded their GEDCOMs through the nFS website only to get the data > all > > screwed up. > > > > When uploading through the website.. it does not check for existing > records, > > which caused a mess for several FHC Directors and others when nFS came > out > > in Spain. > > > > I would like to hear if any other program does that. > > > > Alan W. > > digging through the microfilms.. finding ancestors, problems, and making > new > > friends. > > > > > > > > On 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: > > > >> Kathy is right! > >> > >> > >> > >> Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the > >> patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way > around. > >> > >> > >> > >> One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. > And > >> what you do has to interest you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones > >> mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They > work > >> ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. > >> > >> > >> > >> I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our > own > >> as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it > >> did > >> not work after extensive trying – “-call the nearest 14-year-old and > watch > >> closely!”. > >> > >> > >> > >> You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge > – > >> swap. > >> > >> > >> > >> Helle > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > >> Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kathy > Scott > >> Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 > >> Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > >> Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > >> > >> > >> > >> To all especially Harry, > >> > >> > >> > >> I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it > >> > >> difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many > of > >> > >> us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then > >> > >> teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not > because > >> > >> the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has > to > >> > >> be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to > others. > >> > >> > >> > >> I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs > but > >> I > >> > >> > >> know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those > whom > >> > >> I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. > I > >> > >> enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the > >> 'friend' > >> > >> > >> of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable > >> > >> with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they > will > >> > >> get hooked into the work. > >> > >> > >> > >> Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is > >> > >> concerned You can't be older than I am! > >> > >> Kathy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) > >> Databaseversion: 6.12330 > >> http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alan: Let me elaborate just a bit on this feature. You saw in the demo how to upload one family at a time. There is a way to upload larger groups of data in lieu of using GEDCOM. If you haven't watched it, go to http://www.ancquest.com/Ver12-1Tutorials.htm and watch the video entitled "Upload Data to NFS" -- about 7 minutes. This is a technique you can use in AQ to get your PAF or GEDCOM data into nFS without using the nFS GEDCOM upload. It compares all your local records with nFS before the upload, so you only upload the records that are not already in nFS. Gaylon Whitcomb wrote: > I just left another presentation on AQ here at the Family History Library. > One feature I had not paid any attention to.. but would be very useful (one > time) is the ability to upload all your data to nFS. I know people that > have uploaded their GEDCOMs through the nFS website only to get the data all > screwed up. > > When uploading through the website.. it does not check for existing records, > which caused a mess for several FHC Directors and others when nFS came out > in Spain. > > I would like to hear if any other program does that. > > Alan W. > digging through the microfilms.. finding ancestors, problems, and making new > friends. > > > > On 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: > >> Kathy is right! >> >> >> >> Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the >> patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way around. >> >> >> >> One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. And >> what you do has to interest you. >> >> >> >> Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones >> mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They work >> ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. >> >> >> >> I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our own >> as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it >> did >> not work after extensive trying – “-call the nearest 14-year-old and watch >> closely!”. >> >> >> >> You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge – >> swap. >> >> >> >> Helle >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kathy Scott >> Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 >> Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> >> >> >> To all especially Harry, >> >> >> >> I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it >> >> difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many of >> >> us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then >> >> teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because >> >> the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has to >> >> be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to others. >> >> >> >> I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs but >> I >> >> >> know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those whom >> >> I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. I >> >> enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the >> 'friend' >> >> >> of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable >> >> with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will >> >> get hooked into the work. >> >> >> >> Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is >> >> concerned You can't be older than I am! >> >> Kathy >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) >> Databaseversion: 6.12330 >> http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

You can just go into NFS and search on her name born in Kansas and come up with the submitter, submitter's email, and a phone number as well. I did that about an hour ago and the temple ordinances just say, "Not Available". Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Goodfellow Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 03:58 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, inappropriately I'm wondering about the submitter. I'm guessing that it went through the Temple Ready since it was done in Provo. But wouldn't nfs have prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it wasn't linked into their tree? I suppose they could have created a fake connection somewhere, but that seems pretty far-fetched. Paula On May 7, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Jill N. Crandell wrote: > I'd like to make a point that some may not have thought of with this > situation. We don't know whether it was done appropriately or > inappropriately, but we all suspect that the rules of contacting the > nearest > living relative were probably not followed. > > However, there is another disobedience that has also occurred. Helen > Radkey > gives the Church a lot of grief over these ordinances, and her > ability to do > that is because she has access to the ordinance information in the > IGI. > Notice that she knew the dates the work was done for Obama's mother. > There > is a member of the Church somewhere who is giving her access, which > gives > her the ability to create these news reports. Either someone has > given her > their sign-in and password to use as she pleases, or she is able to > get > someone at an FHC or the FHL to "help" her by signing in for her-- > possibly > not knowing who she is. As consultants, we all need to remember that > the > rules are in place for a reason, and if someone is unable to sign > in, we > should "help" them contact their ward clerk--not sign in for them. > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Harry Oh, you're just a pain in the butt eh? is that what you are saying? We do need a few of those it makes us look good! Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Laughman" <h85730@yahoo.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > Kathy, compared to you I most likely not even born yet. Harry > > WE should all be thankful for what we have. We can only truly know who we > are when we learn our past > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: > > > From: Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 12:28 PM > > > Kathy is right! > > > > Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the > patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way around. > > > > One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. > And > what you do has to interest you. > > > > Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones > mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They work > ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. > > > > I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our own > as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it > did > not work after extensive trying – “-call the nearest 14-year-old and watch > closely!”. > > > > You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge – > swap. > > > > Helle > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kathy Scott > Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 > Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > > > > To all especially Harry, > > > > I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it > > difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many of > > us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then > > teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because > > the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has to > > be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to others. > > > > I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs but > I > > > know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those > whom > > I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. I > > enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the > 'friend' > > > of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable > > with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will > > get hooked into the work. > > > > Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is > > concerned You can't be older than I am! > > Kathy > > > > > > E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) > Databaseversion: 6.12330 > http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paula wrote: So presumably it was the person in PRF who submitted the name to the temple and in newfamilysearch they were just people who cleaned up the information? Her record has been removed from the online IGI now. No, the PRF has nothing to do with temple submissions. The online IGI only had an indication that it was submitted by a member of the Church after 1991. It is NFS where you see the names of those who submit for temple work. Family Tree actually indicates the name next to the ordinance (when it hasn't been removed), but unfortunately there is an individual listed in NFS with the indication of the LDS Temple Records. It is my experience that that indicator is the person who is tied to the submission to the temple. At this point, I feel sorry for that person. There is an email address given, and they may be getting a lot of grief right now. I hope not, because I suspect this unfortunate lesson has been learned the hard way. Jill Crandell By the way, I'm sorry for the duplicate emails earlier. It had been over an hour since I had sent them, and I thought they had gone into cyberspace.