I am not sure I fully understand the question, especially the 84% accurate reference. But, is it possible for the member to wait a few months until nFS is available in your area? At that time he could make all the corrections needed and link the individuals together. That would appear to be the easiest solution but it does require him to wait awhile. Miles Meyer On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM, JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS <grandmajk6@msn.com> wrote: > > I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently went to the FHC to put his mom through temple > > ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. > > The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents.  Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. > > So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full  & correct information.  At this point the family is left "hanging" so to speak. > > Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. > > Jackie

Thanks David, for your response. Yes, we won't wait the several months as the brother is feeling a big push to get it done asap. Thank you for your responses. Jackie > Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:27:19 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE > > wait few months?? > > Get a helper and take care of it. (she's in Idaho) > > Miles Meyer wrote: > > I am not sure I fully understand the question, especially the 84% > > accurate reference. But, is it possible for the member to wait a few > > months until nFS is available in your area? At that time he could make > > all the corrections needed and link the individuals together. That > > would appear to be the easiest solution but it does require him to > > wait awhile. > > > > Miles Meyer > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM, JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS > > <grandmajk6@msn.com> wrote: > >> I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently went to the FHC to put his mom through temple > >> > >> ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. > >> > >> The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. > >> > >> So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to speak. > >> > >> Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. > >> > >> Jackie > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Miles. That would be a plan B and it would work but this brother doesn't own a computer and therefore would have to go to a FC any way and I wanted to clear it up before if possible. I am in Boise, Idaho and I am sure we will have NFS soon but this brother is feeling a big push to get it done asap. I appreciate your response and I might add that I also have a great deal of respect for your knowledge of the work. Thank you, Jackie > Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:40:27 -0400 > From: milesmeyer@gmail.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE > > I am not sure I fully understand the question, especially the 84% > accurate reference. But, is it possible for the member to wait a few > months until nFS is available in your area? At that time he could make > all the corrections needed and link the individuals together. That > would appear to be the easiest solution but it does require him to > wait awhile. > > Miles Meyer > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM, JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS > <grandmajk6@msn.com> wrote: > > > > I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently went to the FHC to put his mom through temple > > > > ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. > > > > The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. > > > > So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to speak. > > > > Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. > > > > Jackie > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, John. I actually didn't phrase my explanation clear enough. I knew what I wanted to say but wasn't saying it correctly but you did it perfectly. It is the match column. My initial thoughts were same as yours that a 84 percent is close enough for "government work" as the saying goes but felt I didn't know enough to safely insist that it was ok. Thanks again, Jackie in Idaho > From: john@ohanasoftware.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:51:14 -1000 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE > > Perhaps the reference to 84% accurate is actually referring to the % Match > column in the IGI Search feature of PAF Insight or FamilyInsight. If so, > then the person who said that the sealing can't be done is misunderstanding > the % Match value. It is merely an evaluation of how closely the data in > your PAF file matches the data found in the IGI. It does not mean that the > person found in the IGI does or does not represent the same person you have > in your file. That is something that is left to human judgement. And an 84% > match is almost always representative of the same person. > > So, if indeed the 84% was the number that FamilyInsight or PAF Insight gave > to the match, then it is very likely the correct person. In that case, there > should be no hesitation in performing the sealing based on the information > you found. > > Aloha, > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS" <grandmajk6@msn.com> > To: "FAMILY HISTORY WARD CONSULTANT" <lds-ward-consultant-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:35 PM > Subject: [LDS-WC] HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE > > > > > > I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently > > went to the FHC to put his mom through temple > > > > ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get > > the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. > > > > The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in > > temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at > > this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. > > Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he > > can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. > > > > So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this > > brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information > > and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & > > correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to > > speak. > > > > Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. > > > > Jackie > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone know what we can do for people who are "not available" but were born more than 110 years ago? When I run into those it is usually because: 1. There is not enough data to clear them 2. Person isn't dead 3. Medieval (before 1600). I've been trying to clean up a bunch of royalty with no ordinance dates lately and when I look them up in NFS they show as "not available." I guess the temple department wants to coordinate that work themselves..wisely so...there are so many duplications and the system frequently can't handle combining them all. Michele **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115)

I had an odd situtation, in reverse. I was helping a lady yesterday, can't do it in nFS because somebody in Membership Dept goofed and linked a very different Thomas Williams and Mary Davis (of Texas). Can't separate, sent request to headquarters. So had to resort to using old Temple Ready (still available in my area) to get around the problem and got the cards printed of correct Thomas Williams and Mary Davis of WALES. David Samuelsen Miles Meyer wrote: > I am not sure I fully understand the question, especially the 84% > accurate reference. But, is it possible for the member to wait a few > months until nFS is available in your area? At that time he could make > all the corrections needed and link the individuals together. That > would appear to be the easiest solution but it does require him to > wait awhile. >

wait few months?? Get a helper and take care of it. (she's in Idaho) Miles Meyer wrote: > I am not sure I fully understand the question, especially the 84% > accurate reference. But, is it possible for the member to wait a few > months until nFS is available in your area? At that time he could make > all the corrections needed and link the individuals together. That > would appear to be the easiest solution but it does require him to > wait awhile. > > Miles Meyer > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM, JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS > <grandmajk6@msn.com> wrote: >> I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently went to the FHC to put his mom through temple >> >> ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. >> >> The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. >> >> So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to speak. >> >> Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. >> >> Jackie > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

First 2 are self explanatory. Third: Anyone before 1500 (not 1600) is off limit. Must clear through Medieval Families Unit to ensure no duplicates under various spellings can be found. In case of 1560-1650, there are massive amount of duplications. Clean them up first. And as for "Not available" entries, use feedback and state your case. The admin will look into it. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Anyone know what we can do for people who are "not available" but were > born more than 110 years ago? > > > > When I run into those it is usually because: > > 1. There is not enough data to clear them > 2. Person isn't dead > 3. Medieval (before 1600)

WHAT! Someone did his work for old G.W.? Will the Church take non-member living people out of nFS? I didn't think that was possible (mine non-member family got submitted to the PRF by my wife). I did a search today of the IIGI and found that the world's first man to circle the earth has not had his work done yet.. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:59 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > To: Brother Samuelsen, > > Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support. The record for George > Herbert Walker Bush has been corrected to reflect his living status. > Thus, he will not be viewable to you in New FamilySearch. > > We appreciate you alerting us to this concern. Thank you for your > efforts in researching your family. > > Sincerely, > > FamilySearch Support > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently went to the FHC to put his mom through temple ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to speak. Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. Jackie

Karen raises some excellent points about ancestors having many descendants -- not just the famous descendants but the "regular" ones as well. However, as it stands now in New FamilySearch, many of the ancestors for Stanley Ann Dunham are not available for temple ordinances. Even though the birth dates are more than 95 years ago, the individuals are not available for temple work. So even if there is another descendant wanting to do temple ordinances for these ancestors, I am not sure how they could clear them. There are no ordinance dates -- simply the term "not available" is recorded. Anyone know what we can do for people who are "not available" but were born more than 110 years ago? All this discussion led to a very good result. Br. Samuelsen indicated to New FamilySearch that George Herbert Walker Bush is not deceased and should not be visible to every user. (I hope President Bush 41 lives a long, long time!) New FamilySearch benefits from such information being given to them. Br. Samuelsen's efforts certainly help New FamilySearch and prevent someone else thinking that President George Herbert Walker Bush was deceased. I remember when I was learning to use New FamilySearch and stumbled on the Laura Ingalls Wilder submissions. In the original story there was no brother Albert because he never existed. He was a fictitious character created for the television program "Little House on the Prairie". Support staff at New FamilySearch appreciated the documentation and notes about the fictitious characters. They left them on the system because they said as soon as they were deleted someone else would add them again. (I believe that the temple ordinances were done for this fictitious brother, Albert, too.) The guidelines say that we should follow them for temple submissions. Sometimes we can merely add more information to New FamilySearch and not have to clear anyone for temple ordinances. It seems that adding sources and documentation to other records may help other researchers today and tomorrow in knowing more about the people in the program. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

People need to remember that other people may be descended from the same people he is. Just because he has an ancestor doesn't mean that someone else doesn't have the same ancestor. And if someone else is a member of the Church, they can do the ancestors. Yes, people should respect the rule for getting permission, but if there's someone just as closely related, who wants to argue which individual has the right to get temple work performed. Karen In a message dated 5/8/2009 4:00:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: look again. Visible in IGI These are all of his 2nd great grandparents on mother's side John William Dunham (1863-1936), 2008 Denver (7 records) Mary Ann Kearney (1869-1936), 2008 Provo (3 records) Harry E. Armour (1874-1953), in progress Gabriella Clark (1877-?), in progress Charles Payne (1861-1889) 1999 Mt Timpanogos Della Wolfley (1863-?) 2008, VeraCruz, Columbus, Los Angeles, Buenos Aires Thomas C. McMurry (1850-1939), 1953 Logan Margaret Belle Wright (1869-1935) 1951 Logan The only ones not shown are his father's side. Sensitive due to Islamic background. Church policy is all submissions from MidEast as well as Islamic are covered up. Even Lebanese Christians. David Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > You are certainly correct that the ancestors for Mr. Obama are in NFS but I think we are not talking about the same thing. I was talking about ordinances which could be "chosen" by someone. > > None of the ordinances for Mr. Obama's ancestors are available. The info is there but the ordinances can't be done. > > For many earlier generations the ordinances are marked "unavailable" -- even when the births are prior to 110 years. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115)

To: Brother Samuelsen, Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support. The record for George Herbert Walker Bush has been corrected to reflect his living status. Thus, he will not be viewable to you in New FamilySearch. We appreciate you alerting us to this concern. Thank you for your efforts in researching your family. Sincerely, FamilySearch Support

Perhaps the reference to 84% accurate is actually referring to the % Match column in the IGI Search feature of PAF Insight or FamilyInsight. If so, then the person who said that the sealing can't be done is misunderstanding the % Match value. It is merely an evaluation of how closely the data in your PAF file matches the data found in the IGI. It does not mean that the person found in the IGI does or does not represent the same person you have in your file. That is something that is left to human judgement. And an 84% match is almost always representative of the same person. So, if indeed the 84% was the number that FamilyInsight or PAF Insight gave to the match, then it is very likely the correct person. In that case, there should be no hesitation in performing the sealing based on the information you found. Aloha, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS" <grandmajk6@msn.com> To: "FAMILY HISTORY WARD CONSULTANT" <lds-ward-consultant-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE > > I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently > went to the FHC to put his mom through temple > > ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get > the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. > > The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in > temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at > this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. > Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he > can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. > > So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this > brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information > and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & > correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to > speak. > > Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. > > Jackie > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

look again. Visible in IGI These are all of his 2nd great grandparents on mother's side John William Dunham (1863-1936), 2008 Denver (7 records) Mary Ann Kearney (1869-1936), 2008 Provo (3 records) Harry E. Armour (1874-1953), in progress Gabriella Clark (1877-?), in progress Charles Payne (1861-1889) 1999 Mt Timpanogos Della Wolfley (1863-?) 2008, VeraCruz, Columbus, Los Angeles, Buenos Aires Thomas C. McMurry (1850-1939), 1953 Logan Margaret Belle Wright (1869-1935) 1951 Logan The only ones not shown are his father's side. Sensitive due to Islamic background. Church policy is all submissions from MidEast as well as Islamic are covered up. Even Lebanese Christians. David Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > You are certainly correct that the ancestors for Mr. Obama are in NFS but I think we are not talking about the same thing. I was talking about ordinances which could be "chosen" by someone. > > None of the ordinances for Mr. Obama's ancestors are available. The info is there but the ordinances can't be done. > > For many earlier generations the ordinances are marked "unavailable" -- even when the births are prior to 110 years. > > Mary Scott > Northville Ward > Westland Michigan Stake > > Detroit Michigan Temple > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

You are certainly correct that the ancestors for Mr. Obama are in NFS but I think we are not talking about the same thing. I was talking about ordinances which could be "chosen" by someone. None of the ordinances for Mr. Obama's ancestors are available. The info is there but the ordinances can't be done. For many earlier generations the ordinances are marked "unavailable" -- even when the births are prior to 110 years. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

they are very much there in nFS, all the way to his parents. Parents and grandparents not visible on IGI. Great-grandparents and beyond are hit and miss. Some dated before anyone knew who Obama was. David Samuelsen Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > I was not talking about the previous presidents and their families. I said "both the paternal and maternal lines of the president" (singular -- meaning the current president, Mr. Obama) are no longer available.

Oh Mary, You always address our situations so succinctly and with such a beautiful spirit.? Thank you for your wisdom and guidance.? I am so pleased to "know" you from this list, Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <mscscott28@yahoo.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:26 am Subject: [LDS-WC] None of us are the "exceptions" to the guidelines Over the years, I have learned that many members believe that they are the "exception" when it comes to following the guidelines for temple ordinance submissions. ? We need to remind ourselves that "our collateral relatives are someone else's direct ancestors. Carried too far, we begin to intrude on the rights of others." (Elder Theodore M. Burton, "The Greatest Gift", pp. 248-249). ? Sometimes members?comment to the effect that "no one else is a member in the family so it is up to me". (This is a misleading idea because the Lord's?master plan?may need multiple generations to be fulfilled. Family members from future generations can join and straighten out the family lines.) ? We want to do good but?we? intrude on the precedence of others -- when we presume to have permission that we don't really have. The closest family members have the right to proceed with the ordinances.?At the same time they also have the right to keep the ordinances from being done in the first place. ? Members need to follow the teachings and guidelines with exactness -- line upon line so to speak. The temple is indeed a house of order. The guidelines for temple submissions are part of keeping?order in our temples.? ? We need to keep our integrity intact and not believe we are the "exception" to the guidelines. ? Lastly, we need to remember that there are people who are out to make trouble for the Church.?They have a goal to cause contention and upset members and non-members alike. ? By following the guidelines we are helping the Church avoid that trouble. ? The Church has so much to do and these negative experiences just waste time and energy that should be used for other concerns. ? Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake ? Detroit Michigan Temple Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubs cribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was not talking about the previous presidents and their families. I said "both the paternal and maternal lines of the president" (singular -- meaning the current president, Mr. Obama) are no longer available. I am not worrying about the other presidents but was trying to relate that the information for the ancestors of Mr. Obama have been designated as "not available". Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 2:19:30 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Overzealous or Family Guideline? Mary S. Scott (Michigan) wrote: > Just playing devil's advocate for a moment: >  > By the way, both the paternal and maternal lines of the president have been made "not available" for multiple generations -- even for those individuals born more than 110 years ago. False. Check out Kennedy family. Also Richard Milhous Nixon, there for all to see Lyndon Baines Johnson Franklin Delano Roosevelt (done in 1947) Harry S Truman Calvin Coolidge William Howard Taft William McKinley Gerald Ford/Leslie Lynch King Ronald Reagan (in process, baptism in Monterrey, Mexico, confirmation in New Zealand), few other submissions with more accurate info - "not ready" but not (all entries even in nFS are marked not available, completed or ready) Dwight David Eisenhower (Ike) Warren Gamaliel Harding (I see a connection to him myself) Herbert Clark Hoover (anyone with direct ancestor Simon Bradstreet might have a chance) Guess it's either overzealous or family guidelines were followed, whereas their parents are done and visible. Joe Biden, the VP - that is completely different story, nothing first 4 generations! Dick Cheney, oogles on his wife Lynne Anne Vincent whose grandfather was LDS and plenty of Dick's due to Massachusetts connections Guess it's either overzealous or family guidelines were followed, whereas their parents are done and visible. W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The submitters names sound foreign to me. Could it be that they are related? ----- Original Message ----- From: <lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 203 > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest > version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember > to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately (Jill N. Crandell) > 2. Re: Using Ancestry at FHC (Kathy Scott) > 3. Re: President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately (Nancy Scott) > 4. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Whitcomb) > 5. Re: President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately (W. David Samuelsen) > 6. Re: What genealogy program do I select? (Gaylon Findlay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:10:58 -0600 > From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <66AA0B794D21412884629850C9AAC90F@JILLS0033000064> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Paula asked: > But wouldn't nfs have prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it > wasn't linked into their tree? > > No, I don't think so. I do a lot of research that is not related to me, > and > I hate to see it "wasted" when it comes to ordinance work. I go ahead and > enter my research into NFS, not related to me, and it always asks if I > want > to submit the work. I have to tell the program no and hope that someone > related finds it someday. I have contacted the Church about this, because > if > they don't want people submitting work for unrelated people, they should > at > least stop asking if we want to do it!!!! > > Jill Crandell > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:19:07 +0100 > From: "Kathy Scott" <kathyscott1@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Using Ancestry at FHC > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F49F768F328345F98554EF83934B7CB8@KathyDell> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sylvia, I do not know if you use Ancestry. com or like me ancestry.co.uk. > I > find that when I log out of co.uk at the Centre I need to log out of .com > as > well even though I did not log in there!! Weird. But it seems to work. > Kathy > p.s. I have just thought of a possible cause. I leave my Ancestry logged > on > at home do you think that makes a difference? Weird again! Kathy again! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia H. Sonneborn" <slysyl@verizon.net> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:09 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Using Ancestry at FHC > > >>I don't have problems using my subscription to Ancestry at the FHC, but I >> have a terrible time logging off as do others who use their subscription >> there. We have 4 computers, and the problem occurs on all the computers. >> Last Thursday I logged on, and there was the director's subscription. I >> know that she carefully logs out. I finally got her logged out after 3 >> attempts. Then I set up my own subscription, but I could not get it to >> log >> off nor could my husband. The consultant who works on Saturday finally >> got >> my subscription from Thurs. morning to log off Saturday. I don't know >> why >> we have this problem. Any ideas? >> Sylvia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Raney >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:37 PM >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Using Ancestry at FHC >> >> I haven't gotten the error on page message, but I have to log off and >> click >> refresh 3 times before it will log me off. I don't understand that. I >> can >> logoff just fine at home. >> >> Joan in NC >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Nancy Gibert <nlgibert@ameritech.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Does anyone have problems using their own subscription to ancestry at >>> the >>> FHC? I am forever getting error on page message. Some things work but >>> it >>> is very frustrating. >>> Thanks >>> Nancy >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:28:50 -0400 > From: "Nancy Scott" <nascott@cinci.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000401c9cf52$6eefd890$4ccf89b0$@rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > You can just go into NFS and search on her name born in Kansas and come up > with the submitter, submitter's email, and a phone number as well. I did > that about an hour ago and the temple ordinances just say, "Not > Available". > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula > Goodfellow > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 03:58 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately > > I'm wondering about the submitter. I'm guessing that it went through > the Temple Ready since it was done in Provo. But wouldn't nfs have > prevented them from submitting the ordinance if it wasn't linked into > their tree? I suppose they could have created a fake connection > somewhere, but that seems pretty far-fetched. Paula > On May 7, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Jill N. Crandell wrote: > >> I'd like to make a point that some may not have thought of with this >> situation. We don't know whether it was done appropriately or >> inappropriately, but we all suspect that the rules of contacting the >> nearest >> living relative were probably not followed. >> >> However, there is another disobedience that has also occurred. Helen >> Radkey >> gives the Church a lot of grief over these ordinances, and her >> ability to do >> that is because she has access to the ordinance information in the >> IGI. >> Notice that she knew the dates the work was done for Obama's mother. >> There >> is a member of the Church somewhere who is giving her access, which >> gives >> her the ability to create these news reports. Either someone has >> given her >> their sign-in and password to use as she pleases, or she is able to >> get >> someone at an FHC or the FHL to "help" her by signing in for her-- >> possibly >> not knowing who she is. As consultants, we all need to remember that >> the >> rules are in place for a reason, and if someone is unable to sign >> in, we >> should "help" them contact their ward clerk--not sign in for them. >> >> Jill Crandell >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:33:46 -0600 > From: Whitcomb <hwhitcomb@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <b14578d60905071333j47a87e7audfc18acec9ce493a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I just left another presentation on AQ here at the Family History Library. > One feature I had not paid any attention to.. but would be very useful > (one > time) is the ability to upload all your data to nFS. I know people that > have uploaded their GEDCOMs through the nFS website only to get the data > all > screwed up. > > When uploading through the website.. it does not check for existing > records, > which caused a mess for several FHC Directors and others when nFS came out > in Spain. > > I would like to hear if any other program does that. > > Alan W. > digging through the microfilms.. finding ancestors, problems, and making > new > friends. > > > > On 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: >> >> Kathy is right! >> >> >> >> Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the >> patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way around. >> >> >> >> One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. >> And >> what you do has to interest you. >> >> >> >> Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones >> mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They work >> ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. >> >> >> >> I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our >> own >> as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it >> did >> not work after extensive trying ? ?-call the nearest 14-year-old and >> watch >> closely!?. >> >> >> >> You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge >> ? >> swap. >> >> >> >> Helle >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] P? vegne af Kathy Scott >> Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 >> Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >> >> >> >> To all especially Harry, >> >> >> >> I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it >> >> difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many >> of >> >> us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then >> >> teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not because >> >> the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has >> to >> >> be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to >> others. >> >> >> >> I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs >> but >> I >> >> >> know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those >> whom >> >> I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. >> I >> >> enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the >> 'friend' >> >> >> of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable >> >> with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they will >> >> get hooked into the work. >> >> >> >> Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is >> >> concerned You can't be older than I am! >> >> Kathy >> >> >> >> >> >> E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) >> Databaseversion: 6.12330 >> http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:48:09 -0600 > From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] President Obama's mother's temple work done, > inappropriately > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4A033AF9.3030901@sampubco.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On second thought, any name that show up in IGI, it is already done in > Temples. > > His grandparents are still shown in IGI. (a chck in nFS shows same > submitter for Stanley Ann Dunham) > > David Samuelsen > > W. David Samuelsen wrote: >> That's a possibility! >> >> I know who to contact to let them know about this possibility. >> >> David >> >> Jill N. Crandell wrote: >>> I'd like to make a point that some may not have thought of with this >>> situation. We don't know whether it was done appropriately or >>> inappropriately, but we all suspect that the rules of contacting the >>> nearest >>> living relative were probably not followed. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:50:13 -0600 > From: Gaylon Findlay <gfindlay@ancquest.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4A0365A5.60506@ancquest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Alan: > > Let me elaborate just a bit on this feature. You saw in the demo how to > upload one family at a time. There is a way to upload larger groups of > data in lieu of using GEDCOM. If you haven't watched it, go to > http://www.ancquest.com/Ver12-1Tutorials.htm and watch the video > entitled "Upload Data to NFS" -- about 7 minutes. This is a technique > you can use in AQ to get your PAF or GEDCOM data into nFS without using > the nFS GEDCOM upload. It compares all your local records with nFS > before the upload, so you only upload the records that are not already > in nFS. > > Gaylon > > > Whitcomb wrote: >> I just left another presentation on AQ here at the Family History >> Library. >> One feature I had not paid any attention to.. but would be very useful >> (one >> time) is the ability to upload all your data to nFS. I know people that >> have uploaded their GEDCOMs through the nFS website only to get the data >> all >> screwed up. >> >> When uploading through the website.. it does not check for existing >> records, >> which caused a mess for several FHC Directors and others when nFS came >> out >> in Spain. >> >> I would like to hear if any other program does that. >> >> Alan W. >> digging through the microfilms.. finding ancestors, problems, and making >> new >> friends. >> >> >> >> On 5/6/09, Helle Thor Hirschmann <helle@hirschmann.dk> wrote: >> >>> Kathy is right! >>> >>> >>> >>> Find someone in the ward/your family who knows computers and has the >>> patience to let YOU sit at the computer and let you work your way >>> around. >>> >>> >>> >>> One learns absolutely nothing from seeing someone work at the computer. >>> And >>> what you do has to interest you. >>> >>> >>> >>> Which ever program you choose has to work properly. So from the ones >>> mentioned here there is actually no difference in that respect. They >>> work >>> ok. And which to choose is a matter of preference. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was at a computer course once; the teacher suggested we tried on our >>> own >>> as far as we could go, when a problem surfaced consult the manual. If it >>> did >>> not work after extensive trying ? ?-call the nearest 14-year-old and >>> watch >>> closely!?. >>> >>> >>> >>> You may have genealogy knowledge and the other person computer knowledge >>> ? >>> swap. >>> >>> >>> >>> Helle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>> Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] P? vegne af Kathy >>> Scott >>> Sendt: 6. maj 2009 22:55 >>> Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>> Emne: Re: [LDS-WC] What genealogy program do I select? >>> >>> >>> >>> To all especially Harry, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am learning so much from what is being said, but I am also finding it >>> >>> difficult. Some of you guys are in a different place than I am and many >>> of >>> >>> us, who are just getting our teeth into learning for ourselves and then >>> >>> teaching others. I so understand where Harry is coming from, not >>> because >>> >>> the learning curve I am on is too difficult for me but it certainly has >>> to >>> >>> be approached carefully when introducing and teaching nFS etc. to >>> others. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am personally very interested in looking at other genealogy programs >>> but >>> I >>> >>> >>> know, as a professional teacher, that it would blow the minds of those >>> whom >>> >>> I teach at this point of time and I would never get them off the ground. >>> I >>> >>> enjoy my PAF; it is my 'friend' and most important of all it is the >>> 'friend' >>> >>> >>> of most members over in England; those not using it or not comfortable >>> >>> with the computer I go along with what best suits them so that they >>> will >>> >>> get hooked into the work. >>> >>> >>> >>> Harry you need a good teacher! Don't give up.And as far as 'age' is >>> >>> concerned You can't be older than I am! >>> >>> Kathy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) >>> Databaseversion: 6.12330 >>> http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT mailing list, send an email > to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 203 > *************************************************** >