Rather than call SLC, it might be more interesting to find someone here to do the beta with. I those of us beta testing the next release of FS Indexing are supposed to do it with someone.. All my friends in Spain, don't participate in beta testing, rather than call SLC, I am open to pairing with someone here who has been asked to beta the new version. Email me off list if interested. Alan W. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jill N. Crandell < jncrandell@broadweave.net> wrote: > Alan wrote: > This has brought up my petty reason for witholding names for nFS. > ANY name in nFS can be read by anyone.. and if the Temple work is not > reserved, can be done by anyone. > > Alan, > I can't say that a G.A. said this, but it's on the website that I'm sure > was > approved at some level of authority. It reflects what is being done, and > I'm > sure the process of temple submissions was approved at high levels. > > As for withholding information because "anyone" can submit it, I know how > you feel. If I put in the work and can't submit it because I'm not related, > why would I put it out there for someone else not related, who is not > following the rules, who didn't do the research, to submit it anyway. For > myself, I have decided that I can't think that way. I'm doing the work for > the Lord, and I want to be obedient to the authorities of the Church. If > someone else comes along and is disobedient, they will have to answer for > that. In the meantime, I have been a tool to allow someone in the Spirit > World to receive their ordinances. I prefer to think about a new convert > getting involved in the work and finding my accurate research just sitting > there waiting for them to stand as a proxy. What a blessing it would be to > them. I will give my free will offering and let the Lord take care of the > rest. > > Lest any of you think that I am neglecting my own family while I research > unrelated lines, know that I do a great deal of research professionally in > various settings that produces a good amount of detailed information on > unrelated lines. It's part of how I make my living. I would be making my > living anyway--I'm just lucky that my way of producing income also produces > eternal blessings for others. The information I submit is with the > permission of my clients. My own personal family research is done in my > "off-work" hours, just like everyone else. > > One last thought. The way NFS is set up, I would think it would be hard to > find names ready for temple work that are not connected to our own lines. > We > would have to be searching for someone specific or following lines that are > connected to us. It isn't like our personal databases where we can tell the > program to list everyone in the file whose work has not been done. Yes, the > information is out there for anyone to see, but it isn't easy to come up > with a list of names to submit who are not related--at least I wouldn't > know > how to do that! If there IS a way to do it, please DON'T put it out on this > list to tell everyone how!!!! :-) > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with Jill on this.  Don't put on the list what may cause someone else to not follow the rules.  As they say: Locks are for honest people.  Dis-honest people will figure they own way into whatever trouble they want to get into.   I have over 30,000 related people in my database.  I did professional research for 30 years, and believe it or not, many of my clients turned out to have some connecting link to me. I have done or had done a lot of my direct line family temple work. Some medievel work was submitted through the proper missionary departments. When --IF-- I ever need to do temple work for someone not in my direct lines, I have plenty 1600-1700 related ancestors that may still need their work done. At least it will keep me busy checking to see!    Annette Womack --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Whitcomb <hwhitcomb@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jill N. Crandell < jncrandell@broadweave.net> wrote: > > One last thought. The way NFS is set up, I would think it would be hard to > find names ready for temple work that are not connected to our own lines. > We would have to be searching for someone specific or following lines that are connected to us. It isn't like our personal databases where we can tell the program to list everyone in the file whose work has not been done. Yes, the information is out there for anyone to see, but it isn't easy to come up with a list of names to submit who are not related--at least I wouldn't know how to do that! If there IS a way to do it, please DON'T put it out on this list to tell everyone how!!!! :-) > > Jill Crandell > >

Alan wrote: This has brought up my petty reason for witholding names for nFS. ANY name in nFS can be read by anyone.. and if the Temple work is not reserved, can be done by anyone. Alan, I can't say that a G.A. said this, but it's on the website that I'm sure was approved at some level of authority. It reflects what is being done, and I'm sure the process of temple submissions was approved at high levels. As for withholding information because "anyone" can submit it, I know how you feel. If I put in the work and can't submit it because I'm not related, why would I put it out there for someone else not related, who is not following the rules, who didn't do the research, to submit it anyway. For myself, I have decided that I can't think that way. I'm doing the work for the Lord, and I want to be obedient to the authorities of the Church. If someone else comes along and is disobedient, they will have to answer for that. In the meantime, I have been a tool to allow someone in the Spirit World to receive their ordinances. I prefer to think about a new convert getting involved in the work and finding my accurate research just sitting there waiting for them to stand as a proxy. What a blessing it would be to them. I will give my free will offering and let the Lord take care of the rest. Lest any of you think that I am neglecting my own family while I research unrelated lines, know that I do a great deal of research professionally in various settings that produces a good amount of detailed information on unrelated lines. It's part of how I make my living. I would be making my living anyway--I'm just lucky that my way of producing income also produces eternal blessings for others. The information I submit is with the permission of my clients. My own personal family research is done in my "off-work" hours, just like everyone else. One last thought. The way NFS is set up, I would think it would be hard to find names ready for temple work that are not connected to our own lines. We would have to be searching for someone specific or following lines that are connected to us. It isn't like our personal databases where we can tell the program to list everyone in the file whose work has not been done. Yes, the information is out there for anyone to see, but it isn't easy to come up with a list of names to submit who are not related--at least I wouldn't know how to do that! If there IS a way to do it, please DON'T put it out on this list to tell everyone how!!!! :-) Jill Crandell

Thank you, Alan, for the links! My internet connection checked out at 5.40 mbps for download; no problem with my version of Flash and I'll keep all three links for future tests. Especially the ping test for both nFS and familysearch. If it were just my pc that has the problem from time to time I would be more concerned. But when the local FHC and other co-workers have the same problems during the same time period, I feel safe in thinking "they" are working on the site or some such thing. But these links will be most helpful when the situation recurs, as I'm certain it will. Now we can check it out and go on to other things while we wait. Thanks, again. Beverly -- Mailto:fls1ldy@cableone.net Families are Forever!

This has brought up my petty reason for witholding names for nFS. ANY name in nFS can be read by anyone.. and if the Temple work is not reserved, can be done by anyone. But I believe we have discussed this before.. and I know that nFS is inspired. Jill wrote: " What I have learned is that there may be a time when the temples will "extract" information from NFS for individuals that has been entered but the temple work has not been done." In reality FamilySearchIndexing is part of nFS, because in time these documents WILL be linked to nFS(1). This was told to people at a F.S. Developers meeting that is still accessable via the net. And in time thousands of non-members will participate in this work (2). IMHO there will come a time when all those whose names we have extracted WILL have their opportunties, similar to the extraction process, but I was wondering if a G.A. had said this. Alan W. (1) FS Developers Conferene - listen to Gordon Clark https://devnet.familysearch.org/events/recorded-presentations/developers-conference-2009 (2) Questions and Ancestors - interview on " Digitizig the Granite Mountain Vault Records" http://www.byub.org/questionsandancestors/episodes.asp On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net > wrote: > Nancy wrote: > If you spoke to Support, you should be able to find a record in "My Cases" > in the New FamilySearch Help Center. > > Thank you, Nancy!!! I had no idea this existed. As much as I have explored > NFS, I didn't realize I could go back and look at the cases with Support. I > went to my question a few minutes ago, and the reason I couldn't find what > I > was looking for is that it was not in the help "documents." If you go to > "Learn How to Use FamilySearch" and select "Doing Temple Ordinances for > your > Ancestors," look at slide number 7 of 11. It says, "If you do not have > FamilySearch hold the ordinances for you, they will be available for anyone > who uses FamilySearch. Or the temple may give the name to someone who did > not bring a family name." > > In my email last night, I was summarizing a number of answer documents that > I had seen, but this point was not in any of them. My question to Support > was to clarify this last statement of the temple giving it to someone. The > answer was lengthy and involved details that I'd rather not put out on a > public forum, but it confirmed that the temple is using NFS to download > work > that is ready to be done. However, I don't believe they are downloading > anything that anyone has reserved or is currently working on. Those are > expected to be in the process of completion already. So, if you are waiting > for someone who is working on your ancestors, this situation will not solve > that particular problem. What this practice does is complete work that we > have submitted for unrelated persons so that it doesn't stay forever in > limbo. It makes it worth submitting information that we have when we can't > reserve and do the ordinances ourselves. > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy wrote: If you spoke to Support, you should be able to find a record in "My Cases" in the New FamilySearch Help Center. Thank you, Nancy!!! I had no idea this existed. As much as I have explored NFS, I didn't realize I could go back and look at the cases with Support. I went to my question a few minutes ago, and the reason I couldn't find what I was looking for is that it was not in the help "documents." If you go to "Learn How to Use FamilySearch" and select "Doing Temple Ordinances for your Ancestors," look at slide number 7 of 11. It says, "If you do not have FamilySearch hold the ordinances for you, they will be available for anyone who uses FamilySearch. Or the temple may give the name to someone who did not bring a family name." In my email last night, I was summarizing a number of answer documents that I had seen, but this point was not in any of them. My question to Support was to clarify this last statement of the temple giving it to someone. The answer was lengthy and involved details that I'd rather not put out on a public forum, but it confirmed that the temple is using NFS to download work that is ready to be done. However, I don't believe they are downloading anything that anyone has reserved or is currently working on. Those are expected to be in the process of completion already. So, if you are waiting for someone who is working on your ancestors, this situation will not solve that particular problem. What this practice does is complete work that we have submitted for unrelated persons so that it doesn't stay forever in limbo. It makes it worth submitting information that we have when we can't reserve and do the ordinances ourselves. Jill Crandell

Lots of information going on about possibilities; one more may be the Beta Testing going on at Labs through today the 12th. David San Diego District

Jill, If you spoke to Support, you should be able to find a record in "My Cases" in the New FamilySearch Help Center. You open the Help Center, click on the third tab, "My Cases" and you can choose "View Closed Cases" or open a current case that you are dealing with. I have used this feature in the past to look up information that I emailed to Support but did not keep a record that I could find. It works very nicely. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill N. Crandell Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 01:38 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Contributing research on unrelated people to NFS Alan wrote: What information do you have about conditions for a future time when our submissions to nFS may be extracted? Hi Alan, I had a feeling when I wrote that that I might need to back it up! I just went looking in the Help Center to find the "answer" that I had been reading, and for the life of me, I can't find it tonight. All I can do is tell you the gist of what I read, and if someone else finds it, please give me the document number. I'm sorry I didn't mark it. I was searching about submissions to NFS of unrelated individuals and looking at information about performing ordinances. As you are all aware, we are not to submit names of unrelated persons for ordinance work. Whatever document I was reading in the Help Center that night said that we are not to submit unrelated persons for ordinance work. Related persons may find our work and submit it later, and the temples will also download information that was submitted but the ordinances were not requested. I found that very interesting. I wrote to Support to ask some questions, and I think I referenced the help document. Unfortunately, those questions do not go through our emails, and when Support answers, they don't have a copy of our original question included in the email. I wish they did. I could probably give you a more detailed response if they did. What I can tell you is that my question included the idea that the temples could extract my research and have the ordinances done, and the response confirmed that concept. I don't believe this is "future," I believe it's happening now--but I may be wrong. My reference to the future is that a temple needs to "find" my research before it will go through that process. As individuals, we are not to submit the unrelated names to do ourselves, and we are also not to submit them to the temple file. That would still tie our names to the submission. The only appropriate thing to do with unrelated names is to submit the research to NFS and "hope" that it gets found by someone with the right to do the work--a relative or the Church. Hope this helps, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, please!!! Maybe they could start with my 500 names "in progress" limbo :-) Or with those names where the baptism were done in 1996 and no progress has been made since!!! Michele In a message dated 5/12/2009 9:41:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hwhitcomb@gmail.com writes: What I have learned is that there may be a time when the > temples > will "extract" information from NFS for individuals that has been entered > but the temple work has not been done. **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi)

Alan wrote: What information do you have about conditions for a future time when our submissions to nFS may be extracted? Hi Alan, I had a feeling when I wrote that that I might need to back it up! I just went looking in the Help Center to find the "answer" that I had been reading, and for the life of me, I can't find it tonight. All I can do is tell you the gist of what I read, and if someone else finds it, please give me the document number. I'm sorry I didn't mark it. I was searching about submissions to NFS of unrelated individuals and looking at information about performing ordinances. As you are all aware, we are not to submit names of unrelated persons for ordinance work. Whatever document I was reading in the Help Center that night said that we are not to submit unrelated persons for ordinance work. Related persons may find our work and submit it later, and the temples will also download information that was submitted but the ordinances were not requested. I found that very interesting. I wrote to Support to ask some questions, and I think I referenced the help document. Unfortunately, those questions do not go through our emails, and when Support answers, they don't have a copy of our original question included in the email. I wish they did. I could probably give you a more detailed response if they did. What I can tell you is that my question included the idea that the temples could extract my research and have the ordinances done, and the response confirmed that concept. I don't believe this is "future," I believe it's happening now--but I may be wrong. My reference to the future is that a temple needs to "find" my research before it will go through that process. As individuals, we are not to submit the unrelated names to do ourselves, and we are also not to submit them to the temple file. That would still tie our names to the submission. The only appropriate thing to do with unrelated names is to submit the research to NFS and "hope" that it gets found by someone with the right to do the work--a relative or the Church. Hope this helps, Jill Crandell

Jill, What information do you have about conditions for a future time when our submissions to nFS may be extracted? I mean.. I know it will happen, I have always thought that the times when the Temples are functioning 24 hours a day, etc. would not be in my lifetime (for me that is 10 years max). Alan W. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net > wrote: > Karen asked: > Would it be appropriate to put it into NFS so that possibly someone could > find them that IS related? > > Yes, it's appropriate to share your research on anyone that you have > research for, assuming that you have permission from a client if it is work > done for someone else. There is no problem with submitting and sharing > "research." What I have learned is that there may be a time when the > temples > will "extract" information from NFS for individuals that has been entered > but the temple work has not been done. My hope is that if no family ever > finds my unrelated research, that perhaps someday a temple might pull it > into a temple file. > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could you do me a favor.. and test two things. 1) Let's first test your internet connection go to http://www.speedtest.net/ Click the button that says "begin test" This will test two things.. Your internet speed and how your copy of Flash is working. You can also go to this site.. it will test your version of Flash, and upgrade or fix it if it not the "latest greatest". http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ And if you REALLY think the Church site is not working.. test it by going to: http://www.selfseo.com/ping_test.php and test pilot.familysearch.org and new.familysearch.org Alan W. > It's not just nFS that has been up and down. It appears to have started > some time over the weekend again. Along with nFS, Family Insight and > access to the Pilot Program at familysearch.org all have been really > quirky. One minute you can access them; the next minute you cannot. (And > for our Mister David Samuelson, no, I do not use AOL!) > > Beverly > > -- > Mailto:fls1ldy@cableone.net > Families are Forever! > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Might I suggest that if you have problems loading the Flash player to let the program load to three minutes? That will provide sufficent time for it to load, if there is not another problem somewhere. Next, reboot your computer, and then reload nFS. This is to make sure there is nothing in your computer memory that is causing it to crash. After that.. redownloading the Adobe Flash player might help, in case it is an error in your flash player. Alan On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:32 PM, <Sahara346@aol.com> wrote: > It finally came up, but I don't use AOL as my internet provider, just > email. Other web sites were coming up fine, but NFS had the little circle > going round 'n round 'n round in dizzying repetition. > > Karen > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/11/2009 10:25:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > Aol? > > I logged in just fine. > > David Samuelsen > > Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > > I don't know if it is my computer system acting quirky, or if they shut > > new.familysearch.org down this evening for whatever reason. I had a > list of > > folks to add, and home evening activity is over for us... > > > > Anybody have any ideas? Other web sites open, but > new.familysearch.org > > won't open. > > > > Karen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May > Excfooter51109NO62<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May%0AExcfooter51109NO62> > ) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's not just nFS that has been up and down. It appears to have started some time over the weekend again. Along with nFS, Family Insight and access to the Pilot Program at familysearch.org all have been really quirky. One minute you can access them; the next minute you cannot. (And for our Mister David Samuelson, no, I do not use AOL!) Beverly -- Mailto:fls1ldy@cableone.net Families are Forever!

When that happens, just close the browser and wait 5 minutes. This happened to me before. David Samuelsen Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > It finally came up, but I don't use AOL as my internet provider, just > email. Other web sites were coming up fine, but NFS had the little circle > going round 'n round 'n round in dizzying repetition. > > Karen

It finally came up, but I don't use AOL as my internet provider, just email. Other web sites were coming up fine, but NFS had the little circle going round 'n round 'n round in dizzying repetition. Karen In a message dated 5/11/2009 10:25:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Aol? I logged in just fine. David Samuelsen Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if it is my computer system acting quirky, or if they shut > new.familysearch.org down this evening for whatever reason. I had a list of > folks to add, and home evening activity is over for us... > > Anybody have any ideas? Other web sites open, but new.familysearch.org > won't open. > > Karen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51109NO62)

I don't know if it is my computer system acting quirky, or if they shut new.familysearch.org down this evening for whatever reason. I had a list of folks to add, and home evening activity is over for us... Anybody have any ideas? Other web sites open, but new.familysearch.org won't open. Karen **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585010x1201462743/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51109NO62)

Aol? I logged in just fine. David Samuelsen Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if it is my computer system acting quirky, or if they shut > new.familysearch.org down this evening for whatever reason. I had a list of > folks to add, and home evening activity is over for us... > > Anybody have any ideas? Other web sites open, but new.familysearch.org > won't open. > > Karen

On the other hand, lower percentages of matches in the computer's eyes don't necessarily mean that the information IN the system is right. Under the 4 generation program, I submitted my paternal grandparents information as I was given it by family (who would've known, supposedly.) It's in the system, BUT as I got better with my research skills and got to BYU with ready access to films and things, I found out that the man that was thought by everybody in the family to be my great grandfather was really a STEP-great grandfather. Because information from Ancestral File was entered into NFS, my Grandmother shows up as the daughter of both her true father AND her step father. If we know things through documented data, fix them! The only One of Heavenly Father's children who will not occasionally make a mistake isn't walking among us here on earth right now on a regular basis. ALL the rest of us make mistakes, and SOME of them will show up in NFS. So fix them and move on, and try to not repeat the same mistakes. Karen In a message dated 5/8/2009 10:55:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, john@ohanasoftware.com writes: Perhaps the reference to 84% accurate is actually referring to the % Match column in the IGI Search feature of PAF Insight or FamilyInsight. If so, then the person who said that the sealing can't be done is misunderstanding the % Match value. It is merely an evaluation of how closely the data in your PAF file matches the data found in the IGI. It does not mean that the person found in the IGI does or does not represent the same person you have in your file. That is something that is left to human judgement. And an 84% match is almost always representative of the same person. So, if indeed the 84% was the number that FamilyInsight or PAF Insight gave to the match, then it is very likely the correct person. In that case, ther e should be no hesitation in performing the sealing based on the information you found. Aloha, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACQUELINE KALINAUSKAS" <grandmajk6@msn.com> To: "FAMILY HISTORY WARD CONSULTANT" <lds-ward-consultant-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE > > I have a member that did his fathers temple ordainces in 1991. He recently > went to the FHC to put his mom through temple > > ready (yes, we are not on nfs as yet) so he can get her work done and get > the parents sealed as well as have dad sealed to his parents. > > The problem is that the member was told that his deceased father shows in > temple ready only 84 percent accurate as the right person and therefore at > this point can not be sealed to his deceased wife or deceased parents. > Unfortunately the son (the member) doesn't have in his possession that he > can locate the proof that he did all the ordainces for his dad. > > So the question is , as the ward consultant, what and how do I direct this > brother ? Do I call family history support with the complete information > and see if they see something else or ask them to plug in the full & > correct information. At this point the family is left "hanging" so to > speak. > > Thanks in advance for some good answers from all of you experts. > > Jackie > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62)

In case of George HW Bush, it wasn't through PRF, it was right through Temple Ready or gedcom. Not Ancestral File at all. Yuri Gagarin (baptism and confirmation in 2005, waiting to move on to initiatory and endownment) first person to orbit Earth. John Glenn, first American to orbit, still living. and no the Church will not take out non-member living persons, just masked. Exception is the ones you entered and linked to your immediate family, at least up to 2nd cousin level. David Samuelsen Whitcomb wrote: > WHAT! Someone did his work for old G.W.? > > Will the Church take non-member living people out of nFS? I didn't think > that was possible (mine non-member family got submitted to the PRF by my > wife). > > I did a search today of the IIGI and found that the world's first man to > circle the earth has not had his work done yet.. > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:59 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > >> To: Brother Samuelsen, >> >> Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support. The record for George >> Herbert Walker Bush has been corrected to reflect his living status. >> Thus, he will not be viewable to you in New FamilySearch. >> >> We appreciate you alerting us to this concern. Thank you for your >> efforts in researching your family. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> FamilySearch Support