Hi Jill, No, I had not reserved them. I had wanted to find more info. on them before I took them to the temple myself. I have a lot of names and wanted to get them on nFS just in case anything happens to me but didn't want a lot of names in my reserved file for the same reason. It's ok. I misunderstood. Thanks for your answer. Joan ____________________________________________________________ Click to find the latest solutions to enhance your small business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97vB1Q1lXy9UoU8KKttl9ZdRiWwe9uD63hCCkG224DCFCWIk3vi/
The guidelines from the Help Center state: How much time do I have to do the ordinances? There is no time limit for doing temple ordinances. But if you cannot do ordinances in a reasonable time, you should make the names available for others to do. As soon as ordinances are completed, the ordinance information will be available to you in the new FamilySearch. To release names that you have reserved (but have not printed the Family Ordinance Request), follow these steps: On the Home page, click the Temple Ordinances link. Or click the Temple Ordinances tab. Click the Make Names Available for Others to Do link. For each ordinance that you would like to make available for others to do, click the drop-down list, and click the Temple option. (The new FamilySearch will make these ordinances available for other Church members to do. Either a FamilySearch user will select the ordinances, or a temple will give the names to temple patrons.) Click the Done button. You will also be asked to do the following: Save your changes. You will see a pop-up message. To save your changes, click the OK button. Get permissions. For individuals who may have close living relatives, you will see instructions to ask permission from the nearest relative. Click the OK button, and get permission if it is needed. Combine duplicates. If there are any possible duplicate records, you will be asked to compare and combine any duplicates. Follow the instructions on the combine duplicates pages. When you are finished, click the Done button. To release names after you have printed the Family Ordinance Request, follow these steps: Take the Family Ordinance Request to the temple, and have the staff print the ordinance cards. Give the ordinance cards to others who will be able to do the ordinances, such as family members, ward members, or temple patrons. I had not thought of this avenue. I generally only reserve the names that I can finish in a 3-6 month period. The thought here is that you could reserve many names and then give the ordinance cards to others that you select. I think that we all have preferences that are best for our situation. Feeling the connection with a person after making the effort to research their name and wanting to complete the temple work does not sound selfish to me. It sounds to me as if you feel close to them, Jill. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill N. Crandell Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 02:57 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question Joan wrote: No, I had not reserved them. I had wanted to find more info. on them before I took them to the temple myself. Joan, You can reserve a name long before it's ready to go to the temple. We hear a lot of complaints from people who are irritated with how long a name is reserved, but if the name is already in the file, I personally prefer to reserve the name while I continue working on my research, and then it is available to me when I'm ready to submit it. However, I will warn you that if others get impatient, they can add a duplicate, submit the name, do the work, and then merge it with your file and you will not be able to do the work. After watching how all of this works, I have decided not to submit my data until it is ready for ordinance work. It is not only the issue of someone else taking your research and doing the work, it is also a situation where the temples can download names. If I don't have my research sufficiently proven yet, I don't want to risk the work being done inaccurately. Yes, we can correct our data after the work is done, but somehow it's hard for me to see the point of doing the ordinance work when we haven't yet sufficiently identified the individual. Yes, the computer will say there is enough information, but when there is more available to be more precise, I prefer to finish the research and then do the work. My plan is to add names and clear them for ordinance work all at the same time. Until then, I put all my research together in my private database. Every time I write something like this, I worry about people thinking I'm being selfish. However, it is possible for me to do research my whole life and never have the opportunity to perform any ordinances for the people I research. I have had multiple experiences of family members "mining" the Ancestral File, IGI, etc. in order to do temple work without doing the research themselves. I could put my research out there while I work on it, and it would never be there for me when the data was ready to submit. I just want to do the work for those that I research, and others can work wherever they want in the family to do the work for people they research. I hope that doesn't sound unreasonable. I share everything I have after the ordinance work is done, and I invite others to help with the ordinances occasionally as well. I would like to see more family members working the research end instead of just depending on me to provide everything for them. Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joan wrote: No, I had not reserved them. I had wanted to find more info. on them before I took them to the temple myself. Joan, You can reserve a name long before it's ready to go to the temple. We hear a lot of complaints from people who are irritated with how long a name is reserved, but if the name is already in the file, I personally prefer to reserve the name while I continue working on my research, and then it is available to me when I'm ready to submit it. However, I will warn you that if others get impatient, they can add a duplicate, submit the name, do the work, and then merge it with your file and you will not be able to do the work. After watching how all of this works, I have decided not to submit my data until it is ready for ordinance work. It is not only the issue of someone else taking your research and doing the work, it is also a situation where the temples can download names. If I don't have my research sufficiently proven yet, I don't want to risk the work being done inaccurately. Yes, we can correct our data after the work is done, but somehow it's hard for me to see the point of doing the ordinance work when we haven't yet sufficiently identified the individual. Yes, the computer will say there is enough information, but when there is more available to be more precise, I prefer to finish the research and then do the work. My plan is to add names and clear them for ordinance work all at the same time. Until then, I put all my research together in my private database. Every time I write something like this, I worry about people thinking I'm being selfish. However, it is possible for me to do research my whole life and never have the opportunity to perform any ordinances for the people I research. I have had multiple experiences of family members "mining" the Ancestral File, IGI, etc. in order to do temple work without doing the research themselves. I could put my research out there while I work on it, and it would never be there for me when the data was ready to submit. I just want to do the work for those that I research, and others can work wherever they want in the family to do the work for people they research. I hope that doesn't sound unreasonable. I share everything I have after the ordinance work is done, and I invite others to help with the ordinances occasionally as well. I would like to see more family members working the research end instead of just depending on me to provide everything for them. Jill Crandell
No solutions, just commiseration. I have a similar situation. There is a "hole" while some of the temple districts wait to go "live" with nFS. Someone in the Ogden temple district is doing work for my family line using Temple Ready, which is fine, though I am a little disappointed at not being able to do it myself. The hole is I could reserve the work on nFS but apparently it is not effective on Temple Ready. I have seen her doing work which gets updated on nFS, but she cannot see work I have done on IGI. So I need to watch the progress of this family group to assure that I do not duplicate. There are several males whose work was done in 2006 except for the endowments. I can see them but I cannot do anything for them. This was some months ago and may have been ironed out by now. Or maybe the IGI is not being updated with nFS work at all in anticipation of everyone being on nFS. Eventually, these bugs will work out. Lloyd W. Goldrick, RA 4808 Jefferson NE 3312 Chelwood Park Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM 87111-5410 505-883-9100 505-883-9198 fax 505-228-7595 cell > From: lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 218 > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:00:56 -0600 > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Question (phlander2@juno.com) > 2. Re: Question (Jill N. Crandell) > 3. Re: Question (Barb Gruhl) > 4. Re: Question (Leslie Royce) > 5. Re: Question (JCBrooks@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:11:41 GMT > From: "phlander2@juno.com" <phlander2@juno.com> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Question > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20090518.211141.4646.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I have a question. I've entered info. into my 2nd great grandfather's family. The youth were baptized this weekend for my 2g grandfather and 2g grandmother. I just went into nFS to see if the ordinances were entered and they were. While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisims and confirmations have been completed. The baptisims were done in Santiago Chili the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. I felt somewhat disappointed as I was hoping to see that this was done myself. It's ok but I thought I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. I'm a little confused. ??? Could someone please clarify this as I don't want to advise someone else to do the wrong thing. Thanks, Joan > ____________________________________________________________ > Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTGfkWWiytVfWMXrn7J1gJ8DOKRL6WlTA2vOXZgMFXhtfNvhsY5cru/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:56:53 -0600 > From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <547CC4ECEF3B4BCA969930FE03478AD4@JILLS0033000064> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Joan wrote: > While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisms and > confirmations have been completed. The baptisms were done in Santiago Chili > the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. . . . I thought > I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. > > Any information in NFS could have the temple work done by any one or any > temple at any time unless you have reserved them. If you reserve the names, > nobody else can do the work (unless they submit duplicates and don't merge > them). If you request that the temples do the work, they will, but they can > also pull from anything in the file that is not reserved. Are you saying > that you had reserved the names and not requested help from the temples yet? > Or were the names in the file and not reserved? > > Jill Crandell > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:33:50 -0400 > From: Barb Gruhl <bhgruhl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <ec13e6d90905181933o7706e335l2ffb4ab849b12b23@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, from what I have gathered, if you sync you family tree with the New > Family Search you are then adding names to be completed. If you want to do > them your self you will need to reserve them as soon and you add them. > > Hope this Helps > Barb G. > Columbus, Ind 2nd Ward > > > "Search for Your Ancestors, Do not Leave Them in the Dust" > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net > > wrote: > > > Joan wrote: > > While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisms and > > confirmations have been completed. The baptisms were done in Santiago Chili > > the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. . . . I > > thought > > I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. > > > > Any information in NFS could have the temple work done by any one or any > > temple at any time unless you have reserved them. If you reserve the names, > > nobody else can do the work (unless they submit duplicates and don't merge > > them). If you request that the temples do the work, they will, but they can > > also pull from anything in the file that is not reserved. Are you saying > > that you had reserved the names and not requested help from the temples > > yet? > > Or were the names in the file and not reserved? > > > > Jill Crandell > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:35:36 -0500 > From: "Leslie Royce" <texasroseroyce@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3CBEF93797E54C188190C49589013BEA@royce> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb Gruhl" <bhgruhl@gmail.com> > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question > > > > Hi, from what I have gathered, if you sync you family tree with the New > > Family Search you are then adding names to be completed. If you want to do > > them your self you will need to reserve them as soon and you add them. > > > > Hope this Helps > > Barb G. > > Columbus, Ind 2nd Ward > > > > > > "Search for Your Ancestors, Do not Leave Them in the Dust" > > > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Jill N. Crandell > > <jncrandell@broadweave.net > >> wrote: > > > >> Joan wrote: > >> While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisms > >> and > >> confirmations have been completed. The baptisms were done in Santiago > >> Chili > >> the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. . . . I > >> thought > >> I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. > >> > >> Any information in NFS could have the temple work done by any one or any > >> temple at any time unless you have reserved them. If you reserve the > >> names, > >> nobody else can do the work (unless they submit duplicates and don't > >> merge > >> them). If you request that the temples do the work, they will, but they > >> can > >> also pull from anything in the file that is not reserved. Are you saying > >> that you had reserved the names and not requested help from the temples > >> yet? > >> Or were the names in the file and not reserved? > >> > >> Jill Crandell > >> > >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 00:25:56 EDT > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d52.4a8024a7.37438ed4@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Even if the baptisms were done elsewhere, you can still print out the cards > for the rest of the ordinances. If you intend to do them, I suggest you > print them out now. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 5/18/2009 6:14:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > phlander2@juno.com writes: > > I have a question. I've entered info. into my 2nd great grandfather's > family. The youth were baptized this weekend for my 2g grandfather and 2g > grandmother. I just went into nFS to see if the ordinances were entered and > they were. While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's > baptisims and confirmations have been completed. The baptisims were done in > Santiago Chili the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments > now. I felt somewhat disappointed as I was hoping to see that this was done > myself. It's ok but I thought I had to release the names to the temple > before they took them. I'm a little confused. ??? 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I have run across the following examples a few times recntly and thought I'd share them with the list. Example: I had a few male family cards from a while back. When they were submitted no other researchers were working on them. The baptism and confirmation ordinances were completed. Finally, after many months, the endowments were completed. As I prepared the cards for a sealing session, I went back into New FamilySearch and discovered duplicates for some individuals. I merged the duplicates and discovered that the endowment and sealing to parents ordinances had been done a few months previously. My family file's endowment date were no longer the earlier ordinance but the baptism and confirmation were still the earliest ones. The sealing to parents ordinances were done too. When looking at the page for lds ordinances for a person, there is a little printer icon. I printed out the page for the lds ordinances and then stapled my family file card to it. I then take the sheet to the temple and they delete my family file card out of my files. It can be a little frustrating to find duplications after receiving the family file card. The ordinances were done in NFS temples in late 2008 and early 2009. Whoever submitted the names should have been the ones to find the work was already submitted but they didn't do so. Another example: when I submitted one of my direct Dutch families from the early 1700s, they weren't in the system. I printed out the FOR and then received the family file cards from the temple. A month or so later the family showed up in the NFS with ordinances completed in 1955-1957. There were still some family members who needed to be sealed to their parents and a couple of daughters who had been missed altogether. I then worked with the temple to delete my unneeded cards and can now finish up the family. My feeling is that this Dutch family was not in NFS when I submitted the work. I kept searching for duplicates when I typed in the original entries but never found any. I think the family came from a "missing file" which was added to NFS later. The duplicates just popped up one day -- much to my surprise. I have come to the conclusion to check again if the work has been done before doing any endowments. The endowment takes the longest of any other temple ordinance. (This recommendation has been made previously on the list by others too.) Searching for duplicates again prevents us from feeling that our time or the time of another temple patron is wasted by duplicating the endowment. It does take time to search for duplicates but it is better than wasting precious temple time. We need to remind our ward members that they may NOT be the only descendants for an ancestor. They need to realize that NFS will ONLY achieve it's goal of preventing duplications IF we do our part and check for duplicates in our family files. We can check not just at the time of submission but later if necessary. We may be surprised that many ancestors have several descendants who have converted to the LDS Church. This is important because even one other researcher can bring a lot of duplications into the system. The fun thing is that these multiple researchers may all hold different pieces to the family tree puzzle. They may hold some record or know a story that will enrich the portrait of the people we are researching. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple
Theorectically we can choose the next ordinances but some of the entries in New FamilySearch have the other ordinances "reserved" or even "on hold". They can't be chosen or printed at all if they are "reserved". The "on hold" ordinances are not available until the previous ordinance is completed. If the ordinances are available, be sure to click on the little icon for the individual and/or family in NFS. Sometimes the little temple has a flashing green arrow and, by clicking on it, the entire family can be reviewed and chosen for family file -- or sent to temple file. Sometimes if I want to choose only an individual for family or temple file, I first choose "lds ordinances" for that person. I then click on the messages opposite the ordinance dates for the individual ordinances (B, C, I, E) or the sealing ordinances (sealing to parents and/or sealing to spouse). Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple ________________________________ From: "JCBrooks@aol.com" <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:25:56 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question Even if the baptisms were done elsewhere, you can still print out the cards for the rest of the ordinances. If you intend to do them, I suggest you print them out now. Michele In a message dated 5/18/2009 6:14:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, phlander2@juno.com writes: I have a question. I've entered info. into my 2nd great grandfather's family. The youth were baptized this weekend for my 2g grandfather and 2g grandmother. I just went into nFS to see if the ordinances were entered and they were. While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisims and confirmations have been completed. The baptisims were done in Santiago Chili the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. I felt somewhat disappointed as I was hoping to see that this was done myself. It's ok but I thought I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. I'm a little confused. ??? Could someone please clarify this as I don't want to advise someone else to do the wrong thing. Thanks, Joan ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTGfkWWiytVfWMXrn7J1gJ8DOKR L6WlTA2vOXZgMFXhtfNvhsY5cru/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have a question. I've entered info. into my 2nd great grandfather's family. The youth were baptized this weekend for my 2g grandfather and 2g grandmother. I just went into nFS to see if the ordinances were entered and they were. While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisims and confirmations have been completed. The baptisims were done in Santiago Chili the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. I felt somewhat disappointed as I was hoping to see that this was done myself. It's ok but I thought I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. I'm a little confused. ??? Could someone please clarify this as I don't want to advise someone else to do the wrong thing. Thanks, Joan ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTGfkWWiytVfWMXrn7J1gJ8DOKRL6WlTA2vOXZgMFXhtfNvhsY5cru/
Even if the baptisms were done elsewhere, you can still print out the cards for the rest of the ordinances. If you intend to do them, I suggest you print them out now. Michele In a message dated 5/18/2009 6:14:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, phlander2@juno.com writes: I have a question. I've entered info. into my 2nd great grandfather's family. The youth were baptized this weekend for my 2g grandfather and 2g grandmother. I just went into nFS to see if the ordinances were entered and they were. While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisims and confirmations have been completed. The baptisims were done in Santiago Chili the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. I felt somewhat disappointed as I was hoping to see that this was done myself. It's ok but I thought I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. I'm a little confused. ??? Could someone please clarify this as I don't want to advise someone else to do the wrong thing. Thanks, Joan ____________________________________________________________ Turn any room into a work of art. Click now for beautiful oriental rugs! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTGfkWWiytVfWMXrn7J1gJ8DOKR L6WlTA2vOXZgMFXhtfNvhsY5cru/ Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62)
Hi, from what I have gathered, if you sync you family tree with the New Family Search you are then adding names to be completed. If you want to do them your self you will need to reserve them as soon and you add them. Hope this Helps Barb G. Columbus, Ind 2nd Ward "Search for Your Ancestors, Do not Leave Them in the Dust" On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net > wrote: > Joan wrote: > While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisms and > confirmations have been completed. The baptisms were done in Santiago Chili > the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. . . . I > thought > I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. > > Any information in NFS could have the temple work done by any one or any > temple at any time unless you have reserved them. If you reserve the names, > nobody else can do the work (unless they submit duplicates and don't merge > them). If you request that the temples do the work, they will, but they can > also pull from anything in the file that is not reserved. Are you saying > that you had reserved the names and not requested help from the temples > yet? > Or were the names in the file and not reserved? > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Gruhl" <bhgruhl@gmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Question > Hi, from what I have gathered, if you sync you family tree with the New > Family Search you are then adding names to be completed. If you want to do > them your self you will need to reserve them as soon and you add them. > > Hope this Helps > Barb G. > Columbus, Ind 2nd Ward > > > "Search for Your Ancestors, Do not Leave Them in the Dust" > > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Jill N. Crandell > <jncrandell@broadweave.net >> wrote: > >> Joan wrote: >> While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisms >> and >> confirmations have been completed. The baptisms were done in Santiago >> Chili >> the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. . . . I >> thought >> I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. >> >> Any information in NFS could have the temple work done by any one or any >> temple at any time unless you have reserved them. If you reserve the >> names, >> nobody else can do the work (unless they submit duplicates and don't >> merge >> them). If you request that the temples do the work, they will, but they >> can >> also pull from anything in the file that is not reserved. Are you saying >> that you had reserved the names and not requested help from the temples >> yet? >> Or were the names in the file and not reserved? >> >> Jill Crandell >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joan wrote: While I was looking at this family I saw that their children's baptisms and confirmations have been completed. The baptisms were done in Santiago Chili the 27th of March. I am not able to do their endowments now. . . . I thought I had to release the names to the temple before they took them. Any information in NFS could have the temple work done by any one or any temple at any time unless you have reserved them. If you reserve the names, nobody else can do the work (unless they submit duplicates and don't merge them). If you request that the temples do the work, they will, but they can also pull from anything in the file that is not reserved. Are you saying that you had reserved the names and not requested help from the temples yet? Or were the names in the file and not reserved? Jill Crandell
-----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 15 May 2009 3:01 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 216 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Please update from IGI to NFS!! (JCBrooks@aol.com) 2. Re: Please update from IGI to NFS!! (W. David Samuelsen) 3. Re: Please update from IGI to NFS!! (JCBrooks@aol.com) 4. Re: Please update from IGI to NFS!! (DC & Alice Allen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:55:38 EDT From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: [LDS-WC] Please update from IGI to NFS!! To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bdb.44c8a321.373e41ba@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" While working through my personal families on NFS, I found that one family for whom I had a temple-completed group sheet did not even appear on NFS. I tried to find them in several different ways and finally went to the IGI where they appeared as "cleared." This is very difficult, and I hope it can be addressesd quickly, I agree with your concerns, My own experience even for the few years preceding our rollout was very good, work performed by us on temple ready showed up on the IGI within a couple of days to a week, and I am sure I don't have any that is not in NFS. Jan Western Australia
I wish we all were not surprised by this glitch in the transition.. but some of you are. It was announced in November, that there might be a patch to transform the IIGI ordinances to nFS, obviously that has not happened. It is frustrating I know, but we must be patient and realize that there will be some duplication during the transition stage, and that this stage may go on for sometime. Someone told me it might be as late as December before the last Temple in Utah is on nFS.. Even then for those with early Church members in their family history, there will be LOTS of problems managing and sifting through all those duplications. I give nFS about 3 years before it is out of it's beta stage. Give it time, and realize that we are better off than others in the Church. about half the Church still struggles with PAF 4! Alan W On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Nancy Scott <nascott@cinci.rr.com> wrote: > I believe Jill Crandell had written about this problem sometime ago. The > thought then was to program data to flow in both directions but apparently > that is not as easy to do as it sounds as I do not believe that it has > happened. > > More blessings of patience to be received by us. > > Nancy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > JCBrooks@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:56 PM > To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LDS-WC] Please update from IGI to NFS!! > > While working through my personal families on NFS, I found that one family > for whom I had a temple-completed group sheet did not even appear on NFS. > I tried to find them in several different ways and finally went to the IGI > where they appeared as "cleared." > > The temple work was completed in August and September of 2008 (originally > submitted through Temple Ready and completed AFTER we went to NFS), so I > took the stamped pink and blue cards to the temple recorder and asked him > why > they didn't show up on NFS at all. > > He worked on it, called SLC and reported this to me. > > 1. The names were originally cleared on Temple Ready before we went to > NFS. > 2. The temple data has not been included in either NFS or nor has it been > updated on the IGI. > 3. TempleReady data had not been updated to the IGI. > 4. NFS had not been updated with data from the IGI for some time. > > It appears that all the temple work being completed in not NFS temples is > not being currently added to NFS....and any work originally submitted > through Temple Ready is also not appearing. > > This is causing MORE duplication. Isn't this why we went to NFS in the > first place....to avoid duplication??? > > We all know that Temple Ready was (and continues to) creating monstrous > duplication because the comparative database was never updated from about > 1999 > IGI. > > This is probably even more problematic because during the last ten years > there has been an explosion of internet available research sources > (including > those of the church) which has caused an explosion in temple work. > > I do not understand why it is not a priority to keep NFS updated with the > completed temple work from all those very busy Wasatch Front temples still > on Temple Ready plus Cards like mine which were originally submitted > through > TempleReady to current NFS Temples. > > So, if SLC wants to avoid duplication PLEASE update NFS with Temple Ready > process names more frequently than once a year!!!! > > Michele Brooks > > **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after > instant savings! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=htt > p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I believe Jill Crandell had written about this problem sometime ago. The thought then was to program data to flow in both directions but apparently that is not as easy to do as it sounds as I do not believe that it has happened. More blessings of patience to be received by us. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JCBrooks@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:56 PM To: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] Please update from IGI to NFS!! While working through my personal families on NFS, I found that one family for whom I had a temple-completed group sheet did not even appear on NFS. I tried to find them in several different ways and finally went to the IGI where they appeared as "cleared." The temple work was completed in August and September of 2008 (originally submitted through Temple Ready and completed AFTER we went to NFS), so I took the stamped pink and blue cards to the temple recorder and asked him why they didn't show up on NFS at all. He worked on it, called SLC and reported this to me. 1. The names were originally cleared on Temple Ready before we went to NFS. 2. The temple data has not been included in either NFS or nor has it been updated on the IGI. 3. TempleReady data had not been updated to the IGI. 4. NFS had not been updated with data from the IGI for some time. It appears that all the temple work being completed in not NFS temples is not being currently added to NFS....and any work originally submitted through Temple Ready is also not appearing. This is causing MORE duplication. Isn't this why we went to NFS in the first place....to avoid duplication??? We all know that Temple Ready was (and continues to) creating monstrous duplication because the comparative database was never updated from about 1999 IGI. This is probably even more problematic because during the last ten years there has been an explosion of internet available research sources (including those of the church) which has caused an explosion in temple work. I do not understand why it is not a priority to keep NFS updated with the completed temple work from all those very busy Wasatch Front temples still on Temple Ready plus Cards like mine which were originally submitted through TempleReady to current NFS Temples. So, if SLC wants to avoid duplication PLEASE update NFS with Temple Ready process names more frequently than once a year!!!! Michele Brooks **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is wise advice... However, in our case, our temple rolled out last summer!!! They just are not updating from the IGI to NFS even relatively promptly. Michele In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:23:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: The transition between Temple Ready and nFS is bad in areas not in rollout yet. That is why I tell my group to finish all their TR cards and clear them out quickly and start using nFS with new entries if they can get helpers to do for them. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823239x1201398650/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51509NO62)
While working through my personal families on NFS, I found that one family for whom I had a temple-completed group sheet did not even appear on NFS. I tried to find them in several different ways and finally went to the IGI where they appeared as "cleared." The temple work was completed in August and September of 2008 (originally submitted through Temple Ready and completed AFTER we went to NFS), so I took the stamped pink and blue cards to the temple recorder and asked him why they didn't show up on NFS at all. He worked on it, called SLC and reported this to me. 1. The names were originally cleared on Temple Ready before we went to NFS. 2. The temple data has not been included in either NFS or nor has it been updated on the IGI. 3. TempleReady data had not been updated to the IGI. 4. NFS had not been updated with data from the IGI for some time. It appears that all the temple work being completed in not NFS temples is not being currently added to NFS....and any work originally submitted through Temple Ready is also not appearing. This is causing MORE duplication. Isn't this why we went to NFS in the first place....to avoid duplication??? We all know that Temple Ready was (and continues to) creating monstrous duplication because the comparative database was never updated from about 1999 IGI. This is probably even more problematic because during the last ten years there has been an explosion of internet available research sources (including those of the church) which has caused an explosion in temple work. I do not understand why it is not a priority to keep NFS updated with the completed temple work from all those very busy Wasatch Front temples still on Temple Ready plus Cards like mine which were originally submitted through TempleReady to current NFS Temples. So, if SLC wants to avoid duplication PLEASE update NFS with Temple Ready process names more frequently than once a year!!!! Michele Brooks **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi)
Michelle, The transition between Temple Ready and nFS is bad in areas not in rollout yet. That is why I tell my group to finish all their TR cards and clear them out quickly and start using nFS with new entries if they can get helpers to do for them. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > While working through my personal families on NFS, I found that one family > for whom I had a temple-completed group sheet did not even appear on NFS. > I tried to find them in several different ways and finally went to the IGI > where they appeared as "cleared." > > The temple work was completed in August and September of 2008 (originally > submitted through Temple Ready and completed AFTER we went to NFS), so I > took the stamped pink and blue cards to the temple recorder and asked him why > they didn't show up on NFS at all. > > He worked on it, called SLC and reported this to me. > > 1. The names were originally cleared on Temple Ready before we went to > NFS. > 2. The temple data has not been included in either NFS or nor has it been > updated on the IGI. > 3. TempleReady data had not been updated to the IGI. > 4. NFS had not been updated with data from the IGI for some time. > > It appears that all the temple work being completed in not NFS temples is > not being currently added to NFS....and any work originally submitted > through Temple Ready is also not appearing. > > This is causing MORE duplication. Isn't this why we went to NFS in the > first place....to avoid duplication??? > > We all know that Temple Ready was (and continues to) creating monstrous > duplication because the comparative database was never updated from about 1999 > IGI. > > This is probably even more problematic because during the last ten years > there has been an explosion of internet available research sources (including > those of the church) which has caused an explosion in temple work. > > I do not understand why it is not a priority to keep NFS updated with the > completed temple work from all those very busy Wasatch Front temples still > on Temple Ready plus Cards like mine which were originally submitted through > TempleReady to current NFS Temples. > > So, if SLC wants to avoid duplication PLEASE update NFS with Temple Ready > process names more frequently than once a year!!!! > > Michele Brooks > > **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after > instant savings! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
We didn't seem to have that experience in the Portland Temple district. Names that I had cleared through TR before we were rolled out last summer showed up in my nFS files once were were given access as FH Consultants in June, and as we completed the work, they were updated, although rather slowly. From a week to two weeks, if I remember right. We didn't go live until the Tuesday following October General Conference. Maybe because there were fewer Temple Districts on nFS it was easier to update last year. Hubby & I went to the Temple Tuesday night and did endowments for two of my family members. By the time we got home 45 minutes later, they were showing updated in my nFS Temple files. Quick work nowadays. But then these names we're doing now were processed through nFS. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/15/2009 at 12:47 AM JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >This is wise advice... > >However, in our case, our temple rolled out last summer!!! > >They just are not updating from the IGI to NFS even relatively promptly. > >Michele > > >In a message dated 5/14/2009 9:23:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > >The transition between Temple Ready and nFS is bad in areas not in >rollout yet. > >That is why I tell my group to finish all their TR cards and clear them >out quickly and start using nFS with new entries if they can get helpers >to do for them. >
I have had some very interesting experiences. My grandmother's sister-in-law - the only living relative of that generation - is a very sweet and gentle person. So I have started working on her lines to make a small book with her ancestors and their descendants. Much to my surprise I discovered that some of her lines go along other parts of my ancestry making it very interesting to see if her lines are connected to my ancestors. Her sister-in-law is my paternal grandmother and it turns out that Agnes lines run along my maternal grandmothers one grandmothers lines, they are witnesses to each others children so maybe next time I dig around in that parish I find a connection. And more over my fathers sister-in-law has lines running very close to my mothers lines. Granted this is not USA and distances are not the same but it is a very intriguing find. So who need medieval records? I dig where I stand :-) Str. Helle Hirschmann Denmark -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Annette Womack Sendt: 14. maj 2009 02:16 Til: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Emne: [LDS-WC] Watching what you put on the list I agree with Jill on this. Don't put on the list what may cause someone else to not follow the rules. As they say: Locks are for honest people.. Dis-honest people will figure they own way into whatever trouble they want to get into. I have over 30,000 related people in my database. I did professional research for 30 years, and believe it or not, many of my clients turned out to have some connecting link to me. I have done or had done a lot of my direct line family temple work. Some medievel work was submitted through the proper missionary departments. When --IF-- I ever need to do temple work for someone not in my direct lines, I have plenty 1600-1700 related ancestors that may still need their work done. At least it will keep me busy checking to see! Annette Womack E-mail checket af Spyware Doctor(6.0.1.441) Databaseversion: 6.12380 http://www.pctools.com/dk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Brooks<mailto:sarahsleuth1@hotmail.com> To: Nyla Whitehead<mailto:whiteheadfamily@insightbb.com> ; Pam Robbins<mailto:drphrobbins@gmail.com> ; Pauline Silva<mailto:qpauline@aol.com> ; Paul Sheldon<mailto:pshel28932@aol.com> ; Sherry Cookman<mailto:sherryslejardin@yahoo.com> ; Shirley Maxwell<mailto:shirl4max@yahoo.com> ; Stephen Law<mailto:ih529@hotmail.com> ; Susan Haines<mailto:flyinmit@aol.com> ; Sylvia Sonnoborn<mailto:slysyl@verizon.net> ; Tami Klamfoth<mailto:tamilee75@yahoo.com> ; Tracy Kitchen<mailto:tntkitchen@hotmail.com> ; Virginia Tyler<mailto:vtyler01@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: FW: Choose your ward How about this? Janet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Choose your ward- find your niche in specialty wards by Robert Kirby Tribune columnist - Salt Lake Tribune Most Sunday mornings, you'll find me on a pew in the Rosecrest 1st Ward chapel. It's where I'm supposed to go to church. Lucky for me, it's also where I want to go. Technically, Mormons don't have a choice. For church, we're bound by the geography of the ward boundary. We worship where we live. The only time Mormons can switch wards without also contacting a Realtor is when we attend specialty wards. For example, I went to a Spanish-speaking ward in West Jordan for a while. Specialty wards allow members with specific common needs to worship together and support each other in their exclusive part of the Lord's vineyard. There are (or have been) lots of LDS specialty wards, including singles wards, college wards, deaf wards, ethnic wards and nudist wards. OK, I made up that last one. There are even seasonal "snowbird wards" in places where Mormon RV owners congregate. I talked it over with my friend (despite a restraining order) Ken Wallentine. We think the specialty-ward idea needs to be improved on in our ever-changing and increasingly divided culture. For example, there needs to be a late ward, a ward Mormons who are perpetually late for church could attend and not feel bad about dragging their herd in 15 minutes late. The only problem with a late ward would be showing up late for a meeting that was supposed to start late in the first place. Eventually, you would end up with a ward that ran out of time before it started. "Welcome to the Tardy 3rd Ward, brothers and sisters. We will close now by singing hymn No.145." Given the high birthrate among Mormons, I thought about the need for maternity wards. Except that we already have those. They're called married student wards. A Star Trek ward might do well. The bishop would preside from "the bridge" instead of the stand. High-council Sunday would be referred to as a "Klingon Sunday." Harley riders congregate to the exclusion of just about everyone else. Why not an LDS biker ward? White shirts and neckties go well with black leather. Ken really wants to attend a concealed-weapons ward. He says church would be a lot more interesting if real personal risks were involved in disagreeing with a lesson. There could be a texting ward for teenagers. Bear your testimony with your thumb. In 25 years, they'll all belong to carpal-tunnel wards. At the less-active ward, maybe there'll be a meeting and maybe there won't. Testimony meeting in an anger-management ward might be interesting. Nobody's going to sleep through, "HEY! I KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE, STUPID!" A big hit would be the Multi Level Marketing ward, also known as a "Gadianton robber ward." With all the financial scamming that goes on in this culture, it would be nice to have them all in one place for a three-hour block weekly. I think a Democrat ward is a good idea, although in Utah the best we could probably hope for is a Democrat branch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail® goes with you. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone.<http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009>