Question to all you knowledgeable  individuals out there. I have lost my list of free WEB  of sites to do research on. I was just at the store and had two non members and a member ask me for my list.  Will some one help me. Please   Thanks   Harry

Miles, You are too funny!!! Made my day. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:20 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found I think that should be 110 years after the person's birth, not death. > > If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work. > > Rebecca Christensen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rebecca Christensen wrote: > I was not trying to "paint various shades of gray." > > I guess the policy has changed?? I have copies of past policy documents that indicate you did not have to ask permission to do the work of parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents - your direct-line ancestors. I do not see that specifically spelled out in any of the knowledge documents on newFamilySearch, but that was the policy in the past. The rights of precedence rules have also been around for many years. They are spelled out in the same policy manual. I have been **teaching** the Rights of Precedence for about 20 years now as I have been involved in Family History callings. They are not new. It has not been changed at all. If stepmother is still married to deceased father - no luck without permission. Plain and simple. And the Knowledge Documents has not been corrected yet. David Samuelsen > As I was looking at the online Knowledge Documents this morning (after sending my e-mail), I did not find the exception for direct line ancestors spelled out. (Is it really a policy change, or did it get left out unintentially? I have never heard before that you couldn't do temple work for your father or mother.) But I did find Knowledge documents indicating we are "responsible to provide temple ordinances for immediate family members and direct line ancestors (parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. and their families.)" ("Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work" - no knowledge document number attached.) > > There is also a Knowledge Document that addresses the issue addressed recently on the list about a parent's work being cleared by someone else who had not asked for permission. The answer was to call Support. (Document ID: 106589) > > Rebecca Christensen

The "old?" policy can be found on the insert pages that came/come with a package of Family Group Record forms when ordered from Distribution.  I haven't ordered paper copies of the Family Group Record for a while, so do not know if the instruction sheet currently states the following: But here is what it said,  "Whose Names Do I Submit? Submit the names of your deceased relatives as follows: - Deceased persons born more than ninety-five years ago.  When you have identified these persons as fully as possible, submit the names of those for whom temple ordinances have not already been performed. - Deceased persons born within the past ninety-five years.  Rights of privacy and right of precedence give the immediate living family members (undivorced spouse, children, parents, and brothers and sisters) the right to submit such names or keep the from being submitted.  Unless you are a direct descendant, get permission from an immediate family member before submitting these names." Also, from "Instructions for Family History Leaders: Submitting Names for Temple Ordinances", 1987, pp. 2, 9. p. 2 "Unless you are a direct descendant of the person, you must have permission from the closest living relative before ordinances can be performed for an individual born during the past ninety-five years.  A person's closest living relative is (in the following order) an undivorced spouse, children, parents, brothers and sisters.  When you submit the name for ordinances, the Family History Department assumes you have obtained this permission." p. 9 "6. What are the rights of precedence? Rights of precedence are the rights of the living immediate family of a person born within the past 95 years to submit the person's name for temple ordinances and to serve as proxy, or to keep the ordinances from being done.   The rights of precedence belong to the closest living relative, in this order:  an undivorced spouse, a child, a father or mother, a brother or sister.  The rights of these persons precede the rights of all others. "A member may wish to submit the name of a deceased relative who was born within the past 95 years.  If the member is not a direct descendant or an immediate family member, he should obtain verbal approval from the person who has the first right of precedence before submitting the name. (Even if he is a direct descendant or immediate family member, it is strongly encouraged that he coordinate with other near relatives and ensure that his actions meet with the approval of the closest living relative.)" That was the "old??" policy.  If you were an immediate family member or direct descendant, it was not **required** to obtain permission, although it was recommended that the closest living relative's wishes be taken into account.   The rights of precedence applied "unless you are a direct descedant."     (I don't have access to the instructions that appeared in TempleReady, since it is no longer being used here.) So, when did the policy change? (And is there a document indicating the change of policy?)  I did note in my search of the Help documents on new FamilySearch this morning that the right of the immediate family or direct descendant to perform temple ordinances without asking for permission is not expressly stated in any of the documents I found. So for those who believe some of us are trying to bend the rules about immediate family and direct descendants, we are familiar with the previous published policies.     This really doesn't affect me personally - I'm an eighth generation member of the church.  All of my immediate family members and direct ancestors born during the past 95 years have done their own temple work.   (Although there are a couple of people who have submitted my living 102 year old grandmother for temple work in the 1990s.  Obviously, some rules were broken there by someone.) Rebecca Christensen --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:29 PM I was not trying to "paint various shades of gray." I guess the policy has changed??   I have copies of past policy documents that indicate you did not have to ask permission to do the work of parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents - your direct-line ancestors.   I do not see that specifically spelled out in any of the knowledge documents on newFamilySearch, but that was the policy in the past.  The rights of precedence rules have also been around for many years.  They are spelled out in the same policy manual.  I have been **teaching** the Rights of Precedence for about 20 years now as I have been involved in Family History callings.  They are not new. As I was looking at the online Knowledge Documents this morning  (after sending my e-mail), I did not find the exception for direct line ancestors spelled out.  (Is it really a policy change, or did it get left out unintentially?  I have never heard before that you couldn't do temple work for your father or mother.)  But I did find Knowledge documents indicating we are "responsible to provide temple ordinances for immediate family members and direct line ancestors (parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. and their families.)" ("Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work" - no knowledge document number attached.) There is also a Knowledge Document that addresses the issue addressed recently on the list about a parent's work being cleared by someone else who had not asked for permission.  The answer was to call Support. (Document ID: 106589)  Rebecca Christensen

reverse the dates 95 years from marriage date, 110 years from birth if there is no death date. This has been a long standing policy since at least 1975. If you look in the old manuals for consultants for that year, you will find it's 110 years from birth date if no death, or permission from closest living relative (in the order, undivorced wife, child, parents) The erroreous 95 years from birth was pointed out to the FS and they have not corrected the Knowledge Database for some time. Too many are living beyond 95 years of age nowadays. You said 110 years after death - good grief! David Samuelsen Rebecca Christensen wrote: > The number of years is 95 years not 110 years. For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. > > If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: > From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:22 AM > > > Sahara346@aol.com wrote: >> We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people >> have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may > have >> some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same > >> goes for other people's submissions. > > He does have LDS relatives. I know of one. Just that it is inappropriate > to try to submit more distant relatives that are less than 110 years > without permission. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is the correct information, 110 years after persons birth, according to familysearch.org. the sealing ordinance can be performed 95 years after the marriage without permission given from closest living relative. marian in iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found >I think that should be 110 years after the person's birth, not death. > > >> >> If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the >> person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing >> temple work. >> >> Rebecca Christensen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think that should be 110 years after the person's birth, not death. > > If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work. > > Rebecca Christensen

I was not trying to "paint various shades of gray." I guess the policy has changed??   I have copies of past policy documents that indicate you did not have to ask permission to do the work of parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents - your direct-line ancestors.   I do not see that specifically spelled out in any of the knowledge documents on newFamilySearch, but that was the policy in the past.  The rights of precedence rules have also been around for many years.  They are spelled out in the same policy manual.  I have been **teaching** the Rights of Precedence for about 20 years now as I have been involved in Family History callings.  They are not new. As I was looking at the online Knowledge Documents this morning  (after sending my e-mail), I did not find the exception for direct line ancestors spelled out.  (Is it really a policy change, or did it get left out unintentially?  I have never heard before that you couldn't do temple work for your father or mother.)  But I did find Knowledge documents indicating we are "responsible to provide temple ordinances for immediate family members and direct line ancestors (parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. and their families.)" ("Policies for Preparing Names for Temple Work" - no knowledge document number attached.) There is also a Knowledge Document that addresses the issue addressed recently on the list about a parent's work being cleared by someone else who had not asked for permission.  The answer was to call Support. (Document ID: 106589)  Rebecca Christensen --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <mscscott28@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mary S. Scott (Michigan) <mscscott28@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:48 AM Rebecca Christiansen wrote: "The number of years is 95 years not 110 years.   For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. ..." ******* This topic is one that we sometimes try painting various shades of grey but  clearing names for temple ordinances should include the rights of precedence as the main consideration.

Oops.  Typo there. --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> wrote: From: Miles Meyer <milesmeyer@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:19 AM I think that should be 110 years after the person's birth, not death. > > If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work. > > Rebecca Christensen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rebecca Christiansen wrote: "The number of years is 95 years not 110 years.   For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. ..." ******* This topic is one that we sometimes try painting various shades of grey but  clearing names for temple ordinances should include the rights of precedence as the main consideration. Clearing names has to do with whether it is approved or not by the policies of the Church -- based on the rights of precedence. The rights of precedence are (1) undivorced spouse; (2) adult children; (3) parents; (4) brother or sister. The rights of precedence are not dismissed just because we are a direct descendant of the person we are trying to submit. The following paragraph is from the document "Temple Policies and the New FamilySearch" (dated 31 Oct 2008). To do ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 95 years, please obtain permission and honor the wishes of close relatives. Relatives may not want the ordinances performed or may want to do the ordinances themselves. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse, an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister.   Rights of precedence guidelines are something that we really need to be careful in following.   It doesn't matter if the undivorced spouse is not our biological mother or father.   If the undivorced spouse is a step-parent, that spouse STILL has the FIRST right to say yea or nay about the ordinances being completed in the temple. We may not agree but we should do it anyway.   This is difficult in our age of multiple marriages but following the policies is the right thing to do.   We don't change the policies to fit our own opinions. We follow the guidelines and policies as outlined by the Church because it is the right thing to do. It also keeps our integrity in order.   As the hymn states "Keep the commandments. In this is safety and peace."   It also has to do with loving our neighbor and respecting their feelings and opinions.   When we follow the rights of precedence, we will never have a feeling that we bent the rules so we could do what we wanted.   Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

I have a program that I present to the youth of different wards called "Ancestor Detective" I encourage them to become detectives in their families; finding the stories and photos of their ancestors. I tell stories of my family that make them real. we talk about their heritage and encourage them to find characteristics that they have in common with their parents, grandparent, aunts and uncles. We encourage them to write in a journal and read some cool journal entries from old journals. Each youth is given a folder with a family group sheet, pedigree chart, steps to interview a relatives, a photo pedigree. there are also sheets to start a journal, write their testimony, and tell about their frends and family. We have a follow up activity where we meet at the FHC and use the filled in pedigee to find their family in familysearch. It has been a very successful program. I have also done it on a stake basis for Youth Conference. > From: virgcazier@yahoo.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:25:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] How to get teens interested in FH? HELP! > > Excellent point, John! I just added this to my file called "Youth Family > History class and training." > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Vilburn > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:03 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] How to get teens interested in FH? HELP! > > Recently I attended a family history conference and talked with some of the > FamilySearch Indexing representatives from Salt Lake. They said that many > wards had more success with indexing when they approached the youth instead > of the adults. There is a time and season for everything. For the youth, > indexing may be a better fit for their lives than other genealogical > pursuits. > > Aloha, > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra E Harris" <sehharris@juno.com> > To: <LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:33 AM > Subject: [LDS-WC] How to get teens interested in FH? HELP! > > > >I have seen on this site what I thought were excellent suggestions for > > getting ward teenagers involved in family history. However, since that > > was many months ago and I didn't need that info at the time I didn't save > > it. I do recall a few suggestions but would appreciate hearing from any > > of you who have had success working with these busy, busy young people. > > My husband and I as ward consultants are excited to work with the youth > > but we want to start out right by impressing them with the importance of > > this work but also acknowledging how busy most of them are already. We > > do not want to say or do anything that will discourage them. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > Sandra Harris > > Tucson > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click now for prescreened plumbing contractors. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTRHI9FPywA0iVF3DhoX4LJ1btl > LC8f3ZTH3iWzN1Vn9fJ2gNuPbTy/ > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009

If she is his stepmother, then he can do the work. If she is his mother, then He cannot. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathe Taylor Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:44 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] A member wants father done Are you sure the regulations say that about a birth father? I understood that you can always do the work for your direct line ancestors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: "LDS Ward Consultant" <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] A member wants father done > Today I had to remind one member of my ward that she can't do anything > about her own birth father because his wife is still living and has to > wait until his wife is dead first, in accordance with the regulations. > > She can do her father's siblings as all are deceased and all spouses are > deceased with most of them having no children. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you sure the regulations say that about a birth father? I understood that you can always do the work for your direct line ancestors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: "LDS Ward Consultant" <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: [LDS-WC] A member wants father done > Today I had to remind one member of my ward that she can't do anything > about her own birth father because his wife is still living and has to > wait until his wife is dead first, in accordance with the regulations. > > She can do her father's siblings as all are deceased and all spouses are > deceased with most of them having no children. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1st Comment Today I had to remind one member of my ward that she can't do anything about her own birth father because his wife is still living and has to wait until his wife is dead first, in accordance with the regulations David Samuelsen 2nd Comment If she is his stepmother, then he can do the work. If she is his mother, then He cannot. Steve Kelsey Donna's Comment I agree with Bro. Samuelson. According to the Knowledge Document 238faq0431htm in the Help Center in new FamilySearch Title: What are Church policies about temple ordinances and the new FamilySearch "To do ordinances for a deceased person born in the last 95 years, please obtain permission and honor the wishes of close relatives. Relatives may not want the ordinances performed or may want to do the ordinances themselves. The closest living relatives are, in this order: an undivorced spouse, an adult child, a parent, or a brother or sister "

The number of years is 95 years not 110 years.   For anyone born within the past 95 years you need permission of the closest living family member to do temple work, unless you are a direct descendant and the person is your father, mother, grandparent, great-grandparent. If you do not have a death date, you need to wait 110 years after the person's death to be sure that the person is deceased before performing temple work.   Rebecca Christensen --- On Wed, 5/20/09, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Inappropriate entries found To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:22 AM Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people > have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may have > some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same > goes for other people's submissions. He does have LDS relatives. I know of one. Just that it is inappropriate to try to submit more distant relatives that are less than 110 years without permission. David Samuelsen

We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may have some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same goes for other people's submissions. I only would like to see people work progressively on the names they clear rather than have them sit for months with no progress. It keeps other relatives (who may even be closer related to the deceased, but not acquainted with the one who submitted the names) from doing the work. It can be highly frustrating for close relatives who are new to the Church not be able to do the work for grandparents, because someone has already gotten them cleared, and months go by without any work being done on the cleared names. Once it's underway, they feel much better, but to know they're just sitting in limbo somewhere that they can't do them, and they don't know the person who did based on what's in NFS--put yourself in their shoes, and don't clear massive amounts of names that you can't get too very soon, especially names that are relatively recent, even if you can legitimately claim a relationship with them. There may be someone new to the Church that is even closer related, that would LOVE to do the name, and can't find a way to contact you. Does anybody have any ideas on ways to set up a working contact system with submitters? So far the system doesn't seem to be working, or else people are ignoring contact attempts. Karen In a message dated 5/19/2009 11:49:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: This is today's reply from them concerning Obama's maternal grandparents since they were less than 110 years. David Samuelsen Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support and alerting us to these names found in New FamilySearch. We are leaving the genealogical data available on New FamilySearch for genealogy purposes. However, the LDS ordinances tab shows "Not Available.” This prevents patrons from submitting inappropriate and/or unrelated names for temple work. We appreciate your interest and accuracy in this sacred work. Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell’s full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf)

Today I had to remind one member of my ward that she can't do anything about her own birth father because his wife is still living and has to wait until his wife is dead first, in accordance with the regulations. She can do her father's siblings as all are deceased and all spouses are deceased with most of them having no children. David Samuelsen

Sahara346@aol.com wrote: > We also need to remember that there are many relatives that most people > have. While it is very possible that Obama has no LDS relatives, he may have > some somewhere that ARE entitled to submit some of these names. The same > goes for other people's submissions. He does have LDS relatives. I know of one. Just that it is inappropriate to try to submit more distant relatives that are less than 110 years without permission. David Samuelsen

This is today's reply from them concerning Obama's maternal grandparents since they were less than 110 years. David Samuelsen Thank you for contacting FamilySearch Support and alerting us to these names found in New FamilySearch. We are leaving the genealogical data available on New FamilySearch for genealogy purposes. However, the LDS ordinances tab shows "Not Available.” This prevents patrons from submitting inappropriate and/or unrelated names for temple work. We appreciate your interest and accuracy in this sacred work.

Hi Jill, Now I understand more of what I might expect and what to be careful of. I'm so glad that I reserved my 2nd g. grandparents names or would have lost the blessing of being able to do the ordinances for them. Thanks for sharing your feelings on this. Joan ____________________________________________________________ Tired of your day job? Love design & style? Train to be an interior decorator. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIfrZXwjCzBFZkH6Xfun9g0zAfeTBYaqlkWZacJA6tsVvJnJfCYK0/