I am greatful to learn things from this list.. I did Indexing while in Spain.. and now in Ogden UT. I did not know that some did not have access to FS Indexing. Then again.. as some of us (ahem) have been on nFS for at least a year.. how can we share names with other youth groups? Alan On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:52 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > > > Whitcomb wrote: > > Might I suggest that in exchange for tapping consultants for names.. the > > kids put in some time doing extraction work? > > Not all have access to FS Indexing. Eventually will find a way to > introduce the youths to the FS indexing. > > David Samuelsen > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Whitcomb wrote: > Might I suggest that in exchange for tapping consultants for names.. the > kids put in some time doing extraction work? Not all have access to FS Indexing. Eventually will find a way to introduce the youths to the FS indexing. David Samuelsen

Alan wrote: Might I suggest that in exchange for tapping consultants for names.. the kids put in some time doing extraction work? Actually, this was one of the creative things we did many years ago. (The kids who participated are married and have up to four and five kids now.) We were approved for a special extraction project where the A cards had been done through extraction. We were the B extraction. Our kids data entered all of the names into PAF, searched the IGI, and then cleared them through TempleReady. There were three youths that coordinated it for their Eagle project or a Personal Progress project. I was the adult advisor. I taught RS, Elders Quorum, High Priests Quorum, Young Men and Young Women classes on successive Sundays to explain what we were going to do. The only way we could be approved on this was if the parents performed ALL of the ordinances after the kids did the baptisms. We needed the support of the entire ward. The kids signed up for shifts on Sunday afternoons and really worked hard for months. Just as we were ready to start submitting, the special extraction concept was ended. We were allowed to perform the ordinances, but we had to do them very quickly. Our ward performed all of the ordinances in less than a year. I can't even remember how many it was, but it was huge. (The cards in my file drawer are almost 14" deep.) We had major family support to give these kids that blessing. Since that time, special extractions have not been available. Outside of approved special extraction projects (which are no longer approved), we are only allowed to submit names of related individuals--as you all know. The kids cannot do extraction work to provide opportunities for baptisms. Believe me, we (at least in our ward) have worked this in every way we can think of. If you are suggesting that they should do indexing as "payment" for the cards that ward members give them, our kids are actively involved in that as well. We have a number of youth who are indexing for personal progress and faith in God requirements. I do push teaching them what it takes to research and clear a name, but there is no way to produce the number of names we need on a regular basis in our ward. I appreciate all of the suggestions that have been made today, and I hope that you see the reality of our situation. It is unique, and it is difficult. As I said earlier, if anyone has people ready for baptisms beyond David's needs, I stand ready to help you and share them with our kids. :-) Jill Crandell

Stephen and Tom, I've had the same problem, I realize that it is great that there no duplicates this way but when I tried 2 hours later all the names were cleared so I can't help wondering what the clue is! Alie from the Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com Sent: maandag 1 juni 2009 19:45 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 237 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. printing FOR's (Stephen J. Kelsey) 2. Re: printing FOR's (Tom Kemp) 3. Re: this youth group has me in fits (W. David Samuelsen) 4. Re: this youth group has me in fits (W. David Samuelsen) 5. Re: this youth group has me in fits (W. David Samuelsen) 6. Re: this youth group has me in fits (Stephen J. Kelsey) 7. Re: this youth group has me in fits (Jill N. Crandell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:13:23 -0600 From: "Stephen J. Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> Subject: [LDS-WC] printing FOR's To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU133-DAV18C1D03E3B048A7B0C0F8D14C0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I attempted to print some FORs this morning. Some went through fine but Then after I had selected the maximum number of people and got to the Very end after the summary and going to the print request screen a Message came up that someone was editing one of the individuals and I Would have to try later. Have others had this experience? It is quite Cumbersome to select all of the individuals and then at the very end Have it stopped like that. Stephen J. Kelsey www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 www.woodyatt.bravehost.com www.geocities.com/herefpr ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:26:10 -0400 From: Tom Kemp <thomas.j.kemp@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] printing FOR's To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <45c595dc0906010826l71d4cbfan6adf1eb816271295@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fascinating that the system puts a hold on it - because at the precise time you were printing the FOR "someone was editing one of the individuals" in your submission. Terrific indicator that nFS is going to great lengths to eliminate duplication. Tom ............................................................................ ........... On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Stephen J. Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: > > I attempted to print some FORs this morning. Some went through fine but > Then after I had selected the maximum number of people and got to the > Very end after the summary and going to the print request screen a > Message came up that someone was editing one of the individuals and I > Would have to try later. ?Have others had this experience? ?It is quite > Cumbersome to select all of the individuals and then at the very end > Have it stopped like that. > > Stephen J. Kelsey > www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 > www.woodyatt.bravehost.com > www.geocities.com/herefpr > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:31:03 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4A240247.9010800@sampubco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed First question. Already working with them on that. The objective you stated was already met last year. The objective this year is to give them the experience the youths who live quite a distance from a temple to give them the idea how the members prepare, saving and travel at great expense, the distance ("Honeymoon Trail", etc) David Miles Meyer wrote: > Why not help the youth get their own names? Can you have the YM > presidency get them together for a few hours each week and have them > work up some names? It would have more meaning to them to do their own > ancestors. Maybe get with the RS or HP and have them spend a day in > the FHC working up names. When we had a goal of x names in a year we > managed to do it by having 5 people work through their lines and get > the cards printed. This would be easier with nFS but it still isn't > impossible. > > As you said "The prime reason is to give the youths the experience > of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long > time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, > Madrid, etc." What better way to give them the experience than to > actually do the research themselves. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:58 AM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> wrote: >> Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, >> ward must supply the cards. Believe me, the Young Men president checked >> with each Temple. Same instructions. >> >> I am NOT the one doing the coordinating the Temple expedition, the young >> men president is. The prime reason is to give the youths the experience >> of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long >> time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, >> Madrid, etc. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Tom Kemp wrote: >>> The temples have all the names you need. >>> >>> Since you are coordinating with the Temples - wouldn't that be >>> appropriate for this Temple Expedittion? With nFS the Temples can pull >>> names that were submitted by "patrons" (members). >>> >>> Tom >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:38:05 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4A2403ED.8000000@sampubco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Stephen J. Kelsey wrote: > I certainly must echo the sentiments here. The youth leaders seem to have > no > Idea what it takes to get names for the kids to do baptisms for the dead. True for many but not in my ward. They knew what was involved because they are also Temple workers, too! It is the math of the cards. I was asked to explain the logistics of getting that many in short notice next Sunday to the youths for 5 to 10 minutes. Jill Crandall is right on the mark, it's Utah temples with their requirements. Only Salt Lake Temple does not require the cards, can use Temple file to supply the names. Salt Lake Temple is my ward's primary Temple (requires 2 times per year per Temple President's assignments to the wards/stakes in the district to supply youths for baptisms) with additional Bountiful and Jordan River Temples occasionally. David Samuelsen ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:31:44 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4A240270.4060307@sampubco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed only my ward is involved. No Bishop Ludlow. David Stephen J. Kelsey wrote: > My I inquire if you have a Bishop Ludlow who is with this youth group? His > Father has asked me for help in getting baptismal names. If so, please let > Me know and I can assist you. > Stephen J. Kelsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:23 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits > > Why not help the youth get their own names? Can you have the YM > presidency get them together for a few hours each week and have them > work up some names? It would have more meaning to them to do their own > ancestors. Maybe get with the RS or HP and have them spend a day in > the FHC working up names. When we had a goal of x names in a year we > managed to do it by having 5 people work through their lines and get > the cards printed. This would be easier with nFS but it still isn't > impossible. > > As you said "The prime reason is to give the youths the experience > of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long > time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, > Madrid, etc." What better way to give them the experience than to > actually do the research themselves. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:58 AM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > wrote: >> Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, >> ward must supply the cards. Believe me, the Young Men president checked >> with each Temple. Same instructions. >> >> I am NOT the one doing the coordinating the Temple expedition, the young >> men president is. The prime reason is to give the youths the experience >> of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long >> time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, >> Madrid, etc. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Tom Kemp wrote: >>> The temples have all the names you need. >>> >>> Since you are coordinating with the Temples - wouldn't that be >>> appropriate for this Temple Expedittion? With nFS the Temples can pull >>> names that were submitted by "patrons" (members). >>> >>> Tom >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:15:09 -0600 From: "Stephen J. Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU133-DAV31545E2F7EE4EC0C8DE15D14C0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Then, you are not the only ward with this idea who wants to do it This year. There is a ward somewhere in Draper who has decided on the same thing and the Bishops father who is in my word asked me to give them somewhere around 500 baptisms. I told them I might Get half but I don't want to short change my own ward. If this is Getting to be a new youth deal then the youth or their parents or Their leaders need to get involved n getting the names to do the project. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:32 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits only my ward is involved. No Bishop Ludlow. David Stephen J. Kelsey wrote: > My I inquire if you have a Bishop Ludlow who is with this youth group? His > Father has asked me for help in getting baptismal names. If so, please let > Me know and I can assist you. > Stephen J. Kelsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:23 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits > > Why not help the youth get their own names? Can you have the YM > presidency get them together for a few hours each week and have them > work up some names? It would have more meaning to them to do their own > ancestors. Maybe get with the RS or HP and have them spend a day in > the FHC working up names. When we had a goal of x names in a year we > managed to do it by having 5 people work through their lines and get > the cards printed. This would be easier with nFS but it still isn't > impossible. > > As you said "The prime reason is to give the youths the experience > of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long > time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, > Madrid, etc." What better way to give them the experience than to > actually do the research themselves. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:58 AM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > wrote: >> Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, >> ward must supply the cards. Believe me, the Young Men president checked >> with each Temple. Same instructions. >> >> I am NOT the one doing the coordinating the Temple expedition, the young >> men president is. The prime reason is to give the youths the experience >> of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long >> time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, >> Madrid, etc. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Tom Kemp wrote: >>> The temples have all the names you need. >>> >>> Since you are coordinating with the Temples - wouldn't that be >>> appropriate for this Temple Expedittion? With nFS the Temples can pull >>> names that were submitted by "patrons" (members). >>> >>> Tom >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:45:00 -0600 From: "Jill N. Crandell" <jncrandell@broadweave.net> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <96AB31ED75F24509A23EDD995BDBD6C7@JILLS0033000064> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve wrote: If this is getting to be a new youth deal then the youth or their parents or their leaders need to get involved in getting the names to do the project. Actually, this isn't a new deal for our ward either. I totally agree with what you are saying (as you saw in my earlier post), but it isn't always that easy. Our young men frequently schedule temple trips to temples other than Provo. It keeps the kids motivated to stay worthy, and it gives them several temple experiences. The ability to do this is probably unique to Utah, but other situations we have are also unique. For example, our annual temple baptism assignment asks for five boys and five girls--10 kids. In six years of Mutual, that means we can get up to 60 kids to the temple once in their teenage years. Several years ago, we had the situation of more than 80 youth in our ward, so we had more than 20 kids who would never have that experience. Since the Provo temple baptism rotation includes all of the BYU wards in addition to the local wards, you can see what the issue is. I couldn't imagine kids living literally one block from the temple and never being able to participate in temple work. We have to get creative to meet these needs. At the same time, we have extensive pioneer ancestry in these kids' families, and it is extremely difficult to find family names for them to submit. My next statement is something I don't say much because sometimes it doesn't come across appropriately, so please understand that I'm trying to help others comprehend how different wards can be. Our ward literally has no non-members in our ward boundaries, and we have one less active couple. I don't know if there's any other ward in the Church this way. We also have something like 80 high priests, so we are extremely blessed with the need of BYU for priesthood leadership to be called out of our home ward to serve in bishoprics and stake presidencies on campus. Some kids around the world can't get to the temple because of distance or money. Our kids can't get to the temple because of the volume of people who have that desire in our temple district and a lack of temple file names for baptisms. With David and others in our circumstances, I would suggest that if any of you have names to share, please feel free to offer them on this list. We have a virtual "army of the Lord" capable, willing, and desirous of participating in this work. Jill Crandell ------------------------------ To contact the LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT list administrator, send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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I feel I should respond as until July of last year.. I was in the Madrid Temple District for eight years.. A Temple trip involves an eight hour ride (each way) plus a night in the Temple Hostal in a caravan... I doubt you will duplicate that experience.. Then.. the Temple Worker giving them instructions, etc. translated by me or another bilingual person. Of course it is neat the kids can goof off in Madrid for the afternoon as the rest of us were doing other ordinances. I still feel new here in Utah.. In Spain.. I saw a Temple only 2-4 times a year.. now I see more than one 2-4 times a week travelling from Ogden to the Family History Library. Might I suggest that in exchange for tapping consultants for names.. the kids put in some time doing extraction work? Alan Trampled by the bulls in Pamplona, Spain Recuperating somewhere in Ogden On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com>wrote: > Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, > ward must supply the cards. Believe me, the Young Men president checked > with each Temple. Same instructions. > > I am NOT the one doing the coordinating the Temple expedition, the young > men president is. The prime reason is to give the youths the experience > of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long > time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, > Madrid, etc. > > David Samuelsen > > Tom Kemp wrote: > > The temples have all the names you need. > > > > Since you are coordinating with the Temples - wouldn't that be > > appropriate for this Temple Expedittion? With nFS the Temples can pull > > names that were submitted by "patrons" (members). > > > > Tom >

Jill N. Crandell wrote: > I'll echo what Miles said. One problem with these temple trips is that the > youth get the idea that the names just appear and the ordinances are the > beginning and end of the work. With Utah families, it isn't so simple to > suddenly produce over a 1000 names that legitimately need the work done. I > have talked with our youth leaders numerous times to teach them that the > research and identifying names comes first, THEN the temple trips can be > planned. As you might expect, I haven't gotten very far with that. Amen to that. Those who constantly do throrough research often just find enough to merge incomplete duplicates, and generally focus on a family group at a time. I tend to think to assignements such as "1000 names by such date" come from people who never do any research. I wrote "tend to." If a leader wants that done, I do my part the best I can. However, Jill is right that is it "research, THEN temple trip." I do believe she has not gotten very far with that, too. She is also right about the time to perform the other ordinances. Recently a youth had five "names" for baptism and still had five from her previous trip. She then asked me if some adult could perform the missing ordinances for those previous five while she performed those five baptisms... All she could see was three empty boxes marked "initiatory," "endowment" and "sealing." Finally, I also dislike the usual reference to "names." We should talk about "people," not "names."

All the more reason to get the kids fired up about doing some family history and getting their own names to take to the Temple. You don't necessarily need to be on an assigned Temple Trip to do baptisms. If two or three of the kids got some names together, you could very likely get them in at other times. But I can't wait until everybody is on NFS. Less duplication, I hope. Karen In a message dated 6/1/2009 1:00:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: For example, our annual temple baptism assignment asks for five boys and five girls--10 kids. In six years of Mutual, that means we can get up to 60 kids to the temple once in their teenage years. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

Karen wrote: All the more reason to get the kids fired up about doing some family history and getting their own names to take to the Temple. You don't necessarily need to be on an assigned Temple Trip to do baptisms. Exactly! That is why I'm saying we have to be more creative with our kids. But anytime they go to the temple NOT on an assignment, they have to bring their own names, and that is VERY hard to do in our situation of families that have been in the Church for many generations. This is why people like David and I are always looking for names that people need help with. We just can't produce 1000 names consistently, every year. Jill Crandell

Yes, FORs are frequently a pain. He said it wouldn't be easy, remember. Barbi in Manahawkin NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen J. Kelsey To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: [LDS-WC] printing FOR's I attempted to print some FORs this morning. Some went through fine but Then after I had selected the maximum number of people and got to the Very end after the summary and going to the print request screen a Message came up that someone was editing one of the individuals and I Would have to try later. Have others had this experience? It is quite Cumbersome to select all of the individuals and then at the very end Have it stopped like that. Stephen J. Kelsey www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 www.woodyatt.bravehost.com www.geocities.com/herefpr Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is quite interesting...at Newport Beach, the youth (on the regularly scheduled stake/ward assignments) are not allowed to bring ward members names. This is the way we get our quota of names for endowments, etc. There is some magic formula about the number of sealings that be downloaded based on the number of endowments which is a percent of the baptisms, etc... Sometimes we sneak 15-20 ward members cards in and no one complains just as long as the temple gets their quota done. Kids don't care.... Michele In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:35:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: David wrote: Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, ward must supply the cards. Perhaps this is a Utah "rule," if others of you don't deal with this. David is correct. If a youth group plans a temple visit that is not their annual temple assignment, then they must provide their own names. I deal with this all the time. My understanding is that the purpose of this rule is to keep the baptisms in balance with the other ordinances of the temple. Family files can be worked on as submitted by patrons, but the temple file ordinances need to stay somewhat in balance. I'll echo what Miles said. One problem with these temple trips is that the youth get the idea that the names just appear and the ordinances are the beginning and end of the work. With Utah families, it isn't so simple to suddenly produce over a 1000 names that legitimately need the work done. I have talked with our youth leaders numerous times to teach them that the research and identifying names comes first, THEN the temple trips can be planned. As you might expect, I haven't gotten very far with that. David, I don't envy you the position you are in. It's hard to feel like you might disappoint the youth, but it's also difficult to assure that the names you are given on short notice are sufficiently researched and truly ready to be submitted. I hope you are able to get the names you need, but even if you do, I would use this as a teaching moment for the youth leaders and help them understand the FULL process of performing ordinances for our ancestors. Use the statements of the prophets that tell us the research is a crucial part of this work, and set up some classes for teaching the youth and their leaders how to do that research. Once they get involved in it, they will have an appreciation of what is needed to do quality work. Temple trips begin to have much greater meaning when these kids put in the effort and sacrifice to identify their ancestors and thus "know" them when they head to the temple. Best of luck, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)

Jill & others, I was going to ask if there was a way we could send our extra family file cards to those groups needing names. We have lots of names here in Florida but we would like them back to complete the rest of the work. Our temple is a couple hours away and the youth usually do temple file names along with a handful of family files each time they attend. We just had a youth trip this spring and they did 30 family file names and another 150 temple names during the trip. Miles Meyer On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net> wrote: > Steve wrote: > If this is getting to be a new youth deal then the youth or their parents or > their leaders need to get involved in getting the names to do the project. > > Actually, this isn't a new deal for our ward either. I totally agree with > what you are saying (as you saw in my earlier post), but it isn't always > that easy. Our young men frequently schedule temple trips to temples other > than Provo. It keeps the kids motivated to stay worthy, and it gives them > several temple experiences. The ability to do this is probably unique to > Utah, but other situations we have are also unique. For example, our annual > temple baptism assignment asks for five boys and five girls--10 kids. In six > years of Mutual, that means we can get up to 60 kids to the temple once in > their teenage years. Several years ago, we had the situation of more than 80 > youth in our ward, so we had more than 20 kids who would never have that > experience. Since the Provo temple baptism rotation includes all of the BYU > wards in addition to the local wards, you can see what the issue is. I > couldn't imagine kids living literally one block from the temple and never > being able to participate in temple work. > > We have to get creative to meet these needs. At the same time, we have > extensive pioneer ancestry in these kids' families, and it is extremely > difficult to find family names for them to submit. My next statement is > something I don't say much because sometimes it doesn't come across > appropriately, so please understand that I'm trying to help others > comprehend how different wards can be. Our ward literally has no non-members > in our ward boundaries, and we have one less active couple. I don't know if > there's any other ward in the Church this way. We also have something like > 80 high priests, so we are extremely blessed with the need of BYU for > priesthood leadership to be called out of our home ward to serve in > bishoprics and stake presidencies on campus. Some kids around the world > can't get to the temple because of distance or money. Our kids can't get to > the temple because of the volume of people who have that desire in our > temple district and a lack of temple file names for baptisms. > > With David and others in our circumstances, I would suggest that if any of > you have names to share, please feel free to offer them on this list. We > have a virtual "army of the Lord" capable, willing, and desirous of > participating in this work. > > Jill Crandell

That is why I like the NFS system. Now I can clear names just for baptism, have the youth do them and then submit the rest of the ordinances to the temple to get done. No more waiting a year to get the rest done or trying to find others in the ward or family to finish them up!!! Message: 6 the big problem is getting the rest of the work done after the baptisms and Confirmations are done. I usually end up taking most of the cards back to The Temple to get the endowments done. Steve Kelsey

Annaleise (I know who you are) I just coordinate the gathering of cards from several members of the ward and also get my cards in as well. It's just the logistics of getting that many cards in short time. Two youths already have their family cards because their father is a convert. The others need to be prodded to try to find theirs in their families (most are LDS already, making it harder for them to find.) I already have the backup in case the goal is not reach in time. David Samuelsen A wrote: >> Why not help the youth get their own >> names?... > > Sorry, I'm a little late checking my e-mail, but this was my sentiment exactly. As wonderful an experience as they're going to have traveling around to the temples, it will be even more meaningful to them if they took names that they helped find. > > Also, they could use the time and education they get to satisfy goals in their different programs. > > I don't think you should feel that it's your responsibility alone to find the names. Think of yourself as the coordinator and the expert consultant. Since I know the bishop I can say that I have no doubt he would give his 100% support to have you lead whatever you needed to for the ward to be involved. Change it to a ward goal instead of your own personal goal. You just need to be there to teach them how and to watch the progress to keep them on track. > > Annaleise > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Miles wrote: Jill & others, I was going to ask if there was a way we could send our extra family file cards to those groups needing names. Yes, just mail the cards. I recommend photocopying them before mailing to be sure they can be reprinted if anything happens in the mail, but I've been doing this for people for years. They let me know which ordinances they would like help with, and I distribute them to members for help. The cards are then returned to me, and I mail them back. Our ward has been helping with all ordinances, male and female. Feel free to contact me privately for an address if you would like help. As for any names that are ready for baptisms right now, I would suggest sending them to David. He has an immediate need. Beyond that, I would be happy to help anyone at anytime. Jill Crandell

Where do I send the cards for Baptism & Confirmation? Thanks jack --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Carol Riner Everett <c_riner_everett@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Carol Riner Everett <c_riner_everett@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:59 PM << the big problem is getting the rest of the work done after the baptisms and Confirmations are done.  I usually end up taking most of the cards back to the Temple to get the endowments done. >> I understand what you mean.  I usually get a similar call to provide names for the youth in our ward, as well.  One of the beauties of NewFamilySearch is that I can request ONLY the baptisms and confirmations for the youth to do, then the rest of the ordinances are released into the general temple file.  They usually get done within a couple of months.  I am delighted the Church added that feature!  Carol Everett  Cary, NC       Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Steve wrote: If this is getting to be a new youth deal then the youth or their parents or their leaders need to get involved in getting the names to do the project. Actually, this isn't a new deal for our ward either. I totally agree with what you are saying (as you saw in my earlier post), but it isn't always that easy. Our young men frequently schedule temple trips to temples other than Provo. It keeps the kids motivated to stay worthy, and it gives them several temple experiences. The ability to do this is probably unique to Utah, but other situations we have are also unique. For example, our annual temple baptism assignment asks for five boys and five girls--10 kids. In six years of Mutual, that means we can get up to 60 kids to the temple once in their teenage years. Several years ago, we had the situation of more than 80 youth in our ward, so we had more than 20 kids who would never have that experience. Since the Provo temple baptism rotation includes all of the BYU wards in addition to the local wards, you can see what the issue is. I couldn't imagine kids living literally one block from the temple and never being able to participate in temple work. We have to get creative to meet these needs. At the same time, we have extensive pioneer ancestry in these kids' families, and it is extremely difficult to find family names for them to submit. My next statement is something I don't say much because sometimes it doesn't come across appropriately, so please understand that I'm trying to help others comprehend how different wards can be. Our ward literally has no non-members in our ward boundaries, and we have one less active couple. I don't know if there's any other ward in the Church this way. We also have something like 80 high priests, so we are extremely blessed with the need of BYU for priesthood leadership to be called out of our home ward to serve in bishoprics and stake presidencies on campus. Some kids around the world can't get to the temple because of distance or money. Our kids can't get to the temple because of the volume of people who have that desire in our temple district and a lack of temple file names for baptisms. With David and others in our circumstances, I would suggest that if any of you have names to share, please feel free to offer them on this list. We have a virtual "army of the Lord" capable, willing, and desirous of participating in this work. Jill Crandell

Fascinating that the system puts a hold on it - because at the precise time you were printing the FOR "someone was editing one of the individuals" in your submission. Terrific indicator that nFS is going to great lengths to eliminate duplication. Tom ....................................................................................... On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Stephen J. Kelsey <sjkelsey@msn.com> wrote: > > I attempted to print some FORs this morning. Some went through fine but > Then after I had selected the maximum number of people and got to the > Very end after the summary and going to the print request screen a > Message came up that someone was editing one of the individuals and I > Would have to try later.  Have others had this experience?  It is quite > Cumbersome to select all of the individuals and then at the very end > Have it stopped like that. > > Stephen J. Kelsey > www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 > www.woodyatt.bravehost.com > www.geocities.com/herefpr > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Then, you are not the only ward with this idea who wants to do it This year. There is a ward somewhere in Draper who has decided on the same thing and the Bishops father who is in my word asked me to give them somewhere around 500 baptisms. I told them I might Get half but I don't want to short change my own ward. If this is Getting to be a new youth deal then the youth or their parents or Their leaders need to get involved n getting the names to do the project. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:32 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits only my ward is involved. No Bishop Ludlow. David Stephen J. Kelsey wrote: > My I inquire if you have a Bishop Ludlow who is with this youth group? His > Father has asked me for help in getting baptismal names. If so, please let > Me know and I can assist you. > Stephen J. Kelsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:23 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] this youth group has me in fits > > Why not help the youth get their own names? Can you have the YM > presidency get them together for a few hours each week and have them > work up some names? It would have more meaning to them to do their own > ancestors. Maybe get with the RS or HP and have them spend a day in > the FHC working up names. When we had a goal of x names in a year we > managed to do it by having 5 people work through their lines and get > the cards printed. This would be easier with nFS but it still isn't > impossible. > > As you said "The prime reason is to give the youths the experience > of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long > time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, > Madrid, etc." What better way to give them the experience than to > actually do the research themselves. > > Miles Meyer > Jacksonville, FL > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:58 AM, W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> > wrote: >> Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, >> ward must supply the cards. Believe me, the Young Men president checked >> with each Temple. Same instructions. >> >> I am NOT the one doing the coordinating the Temple expedition, the young >> men president is. The prime reason is to give the youths the experience >> of what the youths in far away countries face with planning for long >> time to go to Temples such as Frankfurt, Freiberg, Stockholm, Berne, >> Madrid, etc. >> >> David Samuelsen >> >> Tom Kemp wrote: >>> The temples have all the names you need. >>> >>> Since you are coordinating with the Temples - wouldn't that be >>> appropriate for this Temple Expedittion? With nFS the Temples can pull >>> names that were submitted by "patrons" (members). >>> >>> Tom >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<< the big problem is getting the rest of the work done after the baptisms and Confirmations are done.  I usually end up taking most of the cards back to the Temple to get the endowments done. >> I understand what you mean.  I usually get a similar call to provide names for the youth in our ward, as well.  One of the beauties of NewFamilySearch is that I can request ONLY the baptisms and confirmations for the youth to do, then the rest of the ordinances are released into the general temple file.  They usually get done within a couple of months.  I am delighted the Church added that feature!  Carol Everett  Cary, NC

Sometimes it is in the research that we learn to know and love our ancestors. Sometimes it is in the service being rendered at some point within the Temple walls. But it is a connecting process. While I've had some special experiences with people that I don't know and have just been handed at the temple, the most unique experiences that I've had were with family names. Why cheat ourselves by not trying to do our own family names? That said, I am grateful that there are Temple files available, because when I find a mother lode of names that I can't possibly get done in a reasonable time with the number of family I have as a convert that are Temple worthy, I am happy that there is a Temple file available to assist. If our ward doesn't have a Youth trip coming up for baptisms, I sometimes hand the baptisms in at the office for someone else to do, but take care of the rest myself. They've had to wait long enough for me to find them, without waiting for months for me to get it done personally or to find someone to do the work as well. I try to limit my personal "pending" somewhat...and sometimes it works, and sometimes, I have a big stack to work through. Our Temple allows us to give them two names for endowments when we take one of our names through. Usually we split evenly with my husband, but one week I was getting well caught up on the sisters in my file, but still had a huge stack of brothers, so I told my husband to hand in two extra men for my "extra two." One evening recently, all but two of the sisters on one of the sessions I was with had family file names. While I know that there are people waiting in the Temple Files, I like to see that many Family File names go through. It means that more of us are doing what we're supposed to be doing. Karen In a message dated 6/1/2009 8:35:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: David wrote: Unfortunately, no. The instructions came from the temple presidents, ward must supply the cards. Perhaps this is a Utah "rule," if others of you don't deal with this. David is correct. If a youth group plans a temple visit that is not their annual temple assignment, then they must provide their own names. I deal with this all the time. My understanding is that the purpose of this rule is to keep the baptisms in balance with the other ordinances of the temple. Family files can be worked on as submitted by patrons, but the temple file ordinances need to stay somewhat in balance. I'll echo what Miles said. One problem with these temple trips is that the youth get the idea that the names just appear and the ordinances are the beginning and end of the work. With Utah families, it isn't so simple to suddenly produce over a 1000 names that legitimately need the work done. I have talked with our youth leaders numerous times to teach them that the research and identifying names comes first, THEN the temple trips can be planned. As you might expect, I haven't gotten very far with that. David, I don't envy you the position you are in. It's hard to feel like you might disappoint the youth, but it's also difficult to assure that the names you are given on short notice are sufficiently researched and truly ready to be submitted. I hope you are able to get the names you need, but even if you do, I would use this as a teaching moment for the youth leaders and help them understand the FULL process of performing ordinances for our ancestors. Use the statements of the prophets that tell us the research is a crucial part of this work, and set up some classes for teaching the youth and their leaders how to do that research. Once they get involved in it, they will have an appreciation of what is needed to do quality work. Temple trips begin to have much greater meaning when these kids put in the effort and sacrifice to identify their ancestors and thus "know" them when they head to the temple. Best of luck, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)