Ray wrote: . . . so other temples may be more closely matched on the number of endowments and baptisms being done. At least in Provo, the imbalance is very explainable. LDS people have larger than average families. Let's say we average 4-5 kids per 2 parents. Then, consider that baptisms take moments and endowments take almost 2 hours. Then, add in the single population of two universities--without parents here locally. Yes, we have the MTC and returned missionaries on campus, but I don't think it's enough to fully counteract the other factors. I believe the missionaries can only attend the temple once a week, and the students are extremely busy with their education. It's easy to drop in for a quick 5 baptisms, but endowments take much more time from their schedules. By way of comparison, when our ward did our special extraction several years ago, the kids finished the baptisms in a matter of weeks. Their parents then started working on the initiatories, endowments, and sealings, and it took most of the rest of the year at an increased level of temple attendance. When you are thinking of the baptism/endowment ratio, you need to realize that the adult "pool" is performing multiple other ordinances and staffing the entire temple in addition to the endowments. We have so many wonderful opportunities to serve! Jill Crandell

Michele wrote: So one youth baptism assignment per day with 20 youth (generous for some wards) participating would give 300 names ready for initiatory and endowment. I'm sure the Provo Temple easily does more than 300 endowments in a day. Even our small temple probably averages 250-300. The assignments are different from what you are thinking. Absolutely, the Provo Temple does more than 300 endowments a day. However, you are assuming one youth baptism assignment per day. When our 10 kids arrive to do their 50 names (they only get 5 per person), there is a group in the font area and one in the chapel area waiting. By the time they leave, there is another group in the chapel behind them and another arriving at the recommend desk. There are multiple group assignments every day, in addition to walk-ins for family file. I don't know at this point if Provo does more baptisms than endowments each day. I suspect it is more in balance because of the rules that are in place, but the font is open an average of about 13 hours per day. That's a lot of baptisms! Jill Crandell

Not to take away from or denigrate any temple district, but you may be allowed more in your temple district because the number of endowments being done are not lagging behind the number of baptisms. Remember, the membership in Utah and Salt Lake City is much more heavily populated by members than other areas of the country, so other temples may be more closely matched on the number of endowments and baptisms being done. Here, for some reason, the baptisms are done more often and by more members ... especially the youth ... then endowments being done by the adults. It's strange ... but appears to be true, even though we are getting two new temples here in the valley. > From: JCBrooks@aol.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:15:33 -0400 > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work > > I read this and that comment by Jill after I posted. Wow. Our temple > does about 15 names per youth. And our wards get 2-3 assignments a year. > > Bring your kids to California!! :-) > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/3/2009 4:02:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > rayfrijr@msn.com writes: > > At the Salt Lake Temple, those who are baptized for the dead are usually > limited to five or six names per person. > > **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d > oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And to complicate it, the months are abbreviated in various programs and transferrable to nFS, meaning you would have to go back into nFS just to clean it up. I put in a clear request to Ancestral Quest to include the provision to DE-abbreviate the months. Otherwise, I would have to use text editor to open the gedcom and hunt down every bloody month and de-abbreviate them. And no guarantee nFS will recognize GENT as a surname. It changed it to a suffix after a small gedcom. Learned something along the way the drawbacks of gedcoms converted to nFS. David Samuelsen > Clearly, then, adding a GEDCOM and thus introducing duplicates only for > the > sake of adding sources and notes is not the best thing to do. > > Right? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:01 PM > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom > >> The question was how do you add notes from your file without adding >> the whole gedcom. The easiest way is to sync the files with AQ or >> FamilyInsight. >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Jorge Todeschini >> <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Why add a GEDCOM with individuals already on nFS anyway? >>> >>> In any case, a GEDCOM can be created without LDS ordinances so the >>> overwriting mentioned below does not have to happen. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Stephen J. Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:39 PM >>> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom >>> >>>> You are much better off to not use a gedcom, particularly if you >>>> Have used temple ready and have the SUB in the ordinance dates as >>>> Nfs interprets them as COMPLETED and overwrites the actual dates or >>>> In progress statement, depending on how you combine the individuals. >>>> I use it only to transfer small groups into nfs on which I am certain >>>> There are no submitted nor ordinance dates in my gedcom. >>>> >>>> Steve Kelsey >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles >>>> Meyer >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:31 PM >>>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom >>>> >>>> Ancestral Quest transfers the notes well. I use it all the time to add >>>> notes. I haven't tried to do sources since I keep all my sources as >>>> notes. >>>> >>>> Miles Meyer >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Donna B. <angelchatter@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new >>>> FamilySearch without transferring whole file? Thought I heard from >>>> someone, >>>> that we could .... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Donna in Canada >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Clearly, then, adding a GEDCOM and thus introducing duplicates only for the sake of adding sources and notes is not the best thing to do. Right? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Miles Meyer" <milesmeyer@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:01 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom > The question was how do you add notes from your file without adding > the whole gedcom. The easiest way is to sync the files with AQ or > FamilyInsight. > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Jorge Todeschini > <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Why add a GEDCOM with individuals already on nFS anyway? >> >> In any case, a GEDCOM can be created without LDS ordinances so the >> overwriting mentioned below does not have to happen. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Stephen J. Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:39 PM >> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom >> >>> You are much better off to not use a gedcom, particularly if you >>> Have used temple ready and have the SUB in the ordinance dates as >>> Nfs interprets them as COMPLETED and overwrites the actual dates or >>> In progress statement, depending on how you combine the individuals. >>> I use it only to transfer small groups into nfs on which I am certain >>> There are no submitted nor ordinance dates in my gedcom. >>> >>> Steve Kelsey >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles >>> Meyer >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:31 PM >>> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom >>> >>> Ancestral Quest transfers the notes well. I use it all the time to add >>> notes. I haven't tried to do sources since I keep all my sources as >>> notes. >>> >>> Miles Meyer >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Donna B. <angelchatter@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new >>> FamilySearch without transferring whole file? Thought I heard from >>> someone, >>> that we could .... >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Donna in Canada >>>> >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Why add a GEDCOM with individuals already on nFS anyway? In any case, a GEDCOM can be created without LDS ordinances so the overwriting mentioned below does not have to happen. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephen J. Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:39 PM To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom > You are much better off to not use a gedcom, particularly if you > Have used temple ready and have the SUB in the ordinance dates as > Nfs interprets them as COMPLETED and overwrites the actual dates or > In progress statement, depending on how you combine the individuals. > I use it only to transfer small groups into nfs on which I am certain > There are no submitted nor ordinance dates in my gedcom. > > Steve Kelsey > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:31 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom > > Ancestral Quest transfers the notes well. I use it all the time to add > notes. I haven't tried to do sources since I keep all my sources as > notes. > > Miles Meyer > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Donna B. <angelchatter@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new > FamilySearch without transferring whole file? Thought I heard from > someone, > that we could .... >> >> Thanks >> >> Donna in Canada >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At the Salt Lake Temple, those who are baptized for the dead are usually limited to five or six names per person. That was instituted a long time ago, partly because, as I was told, the number of baptisms done were far outnumbering the number of endowments being done. So they cut back on the number of baptisms per person to try and get things evened out a bit, which they never have succeeded in doing. A lot of adults do feel guilty because they feel they are taking away from the youth if the adults do any baptisms, but I try to educate them that that is NOT the case. When an adult does the baptising, he can always be baptised himself by the next adult coming into the font to baptize. And the women usually have no more of a reason than they dont want to get their hair wet. To me, that's just a case of not understanding or having a testimony of the work. I can sympathize with you in the Provo area having a lot of unendowed youth and young adults for baptisms. While we dont have that problem in our stake to the same extent, I frequently get requests from the youth leaders in my own ward as well as in OTHER wards in the stake for family names. That's because the word has gotten out that my parents were the only ones in my line to joing the church. They are now on the other side of the veil, and since I took over researching my lines, I have found over 3 thousand ancestors that I have qualified for temple ordinances. So, knowing that, I often get calls asking for family names when the temple requires family names for certain sessions our youth go on for baptisms. For a long time I was supplying names, because there is no way I can do all this work myself. However, recently I started politely declining because I thought that the temple requiring family names MIGHT inspire more members in the stake to get going on their own research instead of easily relying on me for family names. It remains to be seen whether I am right or not. Personally, I love not only DOING the baptising, but also being baptised myself, especially if it is for my own ancestors. Before the 5 name limit was instituted and I was a veil worker in the Salt Lake Temple, I would often fill time by baptizing. On some occasions I would be in the font for over an hour baptising those who came and would officiate for a couple hundred names before getting out of the font. If adults are educated AND they are helped to get the Spirit of Elijah, they will realize that they can and should be baptized and they will WANT to as well. But, as long as we are at only about 5 percent of church members who even do ANY family history work, that isnt going to change much. > From: jncrandell@broadweave.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:30:32 -0600 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Youth temple work > > Michele wrote: > "It seems to me that some areas suffer who are not yet on NFS. When your > temple is on NFS, the REGULAR stake assignments have adequate names to pull > from as the temple downloads the expected need." > > The reality is that all temples are different, which is partly what I have > been trying to communicate in support of David's request for temple cards > for a youth temple trip. I live in Provo, and you have to realize that not > only do we have a large number of youth growing up here who want to attend > the temple, but we also have literally thousands (tens of thousands?) of > single BYU and Utah Valley University students who are taught to attend the > temple regularly. Until they are endowed, they are going to the baptistry. > This is not an nFS issue, and I don't believe nFS will solve the problem. It > seems to me that the Provo Temple downloads baptisms based on the number of > endowments that can be done, and that is far lower than the number of > baptisms that we have a demand for. > > A number of years ago the missionaries at the MTC were told that they could > no longer perform baptisms, in order to save the baptistry names for those > who are still unendowed. The baptisms were moving so rapidly that the names > were sitting for years before the endowments could be performed. It's just > the nature of the demographics in our temple district. The baptistry is now > open fewer hours than the rest of the temple, and our regular stake > assignments aren't even close to "enough" for our kids to attend the temple. > Our assignment is for 10 kids, once a year. Yes, there are five names per > proxy each year, but we have many more kids than this who want to attend the > temple, and they want to go more regularly than once a year. They definitely > want to go more than once in all of their six Mutual years. The youth > leaders are trying to meet that need and encourage this positive desire, but > it is very difficult to produce the number of names needed. If a group of > kids wants to attend the temple outside of their regular assignment, they > have to bring the cards. That's the rule. > > I was interested in the comment that it's hard to get adults to go to the > baptistry. Based on the problem we have, adults feel guilty if they go to > the baptistry! We feel like we need to give our kids that experience rather > than being "selfish" and wanting to do it ourselves. I joined into this > conversation, because I think we have a potential to help each other. If you > or your ward members are having trouble getting baptisms done, or if you are > sending them to the temple file rather than do them yourselves, please > consider sending them to someone in Utah to share with their local youth. > Personally, I would love to send my kids and their friends to the temple > each week throughout the summer. They could help anyone who would like to > give and receive that service. > > I also agree that we are not doing work for names but for people, but > changing the word "names" to "people who need their ordinances performed" or > something like that to avoid confusion with proxies and other "people" I'm > referring to, I find it easier to say "names." :-) > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The question was how do you add notes from your file without adding the whole gedcom. The easiest way is to sync the files with AQ or FamilyInsight. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Jorge Todeschini <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> wrote: > Why add a GEDCOM with individuals already on nFS anyway? > > In any case, a GEDCOM can be created without LDS ordinances so the > overwriting mentioned below does not have to happen. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stephen J. Kelsey" <sjkelsey@msn.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:39 PM > To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom > >> You are much better off to not use a gedcom, particularly if you >> Have used temple ready and have the SUB in the ordinance dates as >> Nfs interprets them as COMPLETED and overwrites the actual dates or >> In progress statement, depending on how you combine the individuals. >> I use it only to transfer small groups into nfs on which I am certain >> There are no submitted nor ordinance dates in my gedcom. >> >> Steve Kelsey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:31 PM >> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom >> >> Ancestral Quest transfers the notes well. I use it all the time to add >> notes. I haven't tried to do sources since I keep all my sources as >> notes. >> >> Miles Meyer >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Donna B. <angelchatter@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new >> FamilySearch without transferring whole file?  Thought I heard from >> someone, >> that we could .... >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Donna in Canada >>> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ancestral Quest transfers the notes well. I use it all the time to add notes. I haven't tried to do sources since I keep all my sources as notes. Miles Meyer On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Donna B. <angelchatter@shaw.ca> wrote: > Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new FamilySearch without transferring whole file?  Thought I heard from someone, that we could .... > > Thanks > > Donna in Canada >

Michele wrote: "It seems to me that some areas suffer who are not yet on NFS. When your temple is on NFS, the REGULAR stake assignments have adequate names to pull from as the temple downloads the expected need." The reality is that all temples are different, which is partly what I have been trying to communicate in support of David's request for temple cards for a youth temple trip. I live in Provo, and you have to realize that not only do we have a large number of youth growing up here who want to attend the temple, but we also have literally thousands (tens of thousands?) of single BYU and Utah Valley University students who are taught to attend the temple regularly. Until they are endowed, they are going to the baptistry. This is not an nFS issue, and I don't believe nFS will solve the problem. It seems to me that the Provo Temple downloads baptisms based on the number of endowments that can be done, and that is far lower than the number of baptisms that we have a demand for. A number of years ago the missionaries at the MTC were told that they could no longer perform baptisms, in order to save the baptistry names for those who are still unendowed. The baptisms were moving so rapidly that the names were sitting for years before the endowments could be performed. It's just the nature of the demographics in our temple district. The baptistry is now open fewer hours than the rest of the temple, and our regular stake assignments aren't even close to "enough" for our kids to attend the temple. Our assignment is for 10 kids, once a year. Yes, there are five names per proxy each year, but we have many more kids than this who want to attend the temple, and they want to go more regularly than once a year. They definitely want to go more than once in all of their six Mutual years. The youth leaders are trying to meet that need and encourage this positive desire, but it is very difficult to produce the number of names needed. If a group of kids wants to attend the temple outside of their regular assignment, they have to bring the cards. That's the rule. I was interested in the comment that it's hard to get adults to go to the baptistry. Based on the problem we have, adults feel guilty if they go to the baptistry! We feel like we need to give our kids that experience rather than being "selfish" and wanting to do it ourselves. I joined into this conversation, because I think we have a potential to help each other. If you or your ward members are having trouble getting baptisms done, or if you are sending them to the temple file rather than do them yourselves, please consider sending them to someone in Utah to share with their local youth. Personally, I would love to send my kids and their friends to the temple each week throughout the summer. They could help anyone who would like to give and receive that service. I also agree that we are not doing work for names but for people, but changing the word "names" to "people who need their ordinances performed" or something like that to avoid confusion with proxies and other "people" I'm referring to, I find it easier to say "names." :-) Jill Crandell

FamilyInsight from OhanaSoftware.com transfers the notes nicely, one at a time, as you synchronize with NFS. Shanna Jones St. George -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna B. Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:50 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new FamilySearch without transferring whole file? Thought I heard from someone, that we could .... Thanks Donna in Canada Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems to me that some areas suffer who are not yet on NFS. When your temple is on NFS, the REGULAR stake assignments have adequate names to pull from as the temple downloads the expected need. When special trips..like youth tours of temples (we see those a few times a year in Newport Beach..ie let's go to Disneyland, the beach and the temple :-) ) are planned, temples may require the names to be provided by the touring group. This is because the names we pull down from NFS have quota and expectation that a certain like percentage will receive endowments as well. There is a magic formula that I've heard our recorder refer to. When our temple first went to NFS, the recorder could pull down whatever amount of names he thought was realistic and could do so frequently if he miscalculated. My understanding is that now they pull down just so many. There are days when we have no male sealings to children in our sealing session because we've "run out" and cannot, according to the formula, pull down more until endowments are completed. I liked the original way better and it made more sense...but the real challenge is the number of male endowments being completed. Michele In a message dated 6/3/2009 10:54:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: How do youth receive a testimony if they can't attend the temple due to lack of names, etc.? **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd)

You are much better off to not use a gedcom, particularly if you Have used temple ready and have the SUB in the ordinance dates as Nfs interprets them as COMPLETED and overwrites the actual dates or In progress statement, depending on how you combine the individuals. I use it only to transfer small groups into nfs on which I am certain There are no submitted nor ordinance dates in my gedcom. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miles Meyer Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:31 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] transferring notes/sources into nFS as gedcom Ancestral Quest transfers the notes well. I use it all the time to add notes. I haven't tried to do sources since I keep all my sources as notes. Miles Meyer On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Donna B. <angelchatter@shaw.ca> wrote: > Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new FamilySearch without transferring whole file?  Thought I heard from someone, that we could .... > > Thanks > > Donna in Canada > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know of a program that will transfer notes into new FamilySearch without transferring whole file? Thought I heard from someone, that we could .... Thanks Donna in Canada

I appreciated everything that Jill wrote. Here are some of my thoughts on the topic -- as a convert and a member of the Church in an area of the USA which has less Latter-day Saints. Youth need to have temple experiences in order to gain testimonies of temple and family history work. How do youth receive a testimony if they can't attend the temple due to lack of names, etc.? How do we increase participation in temple ordinances for the young adults and new converts? How do we expect our missionaries and members to teach investigators around the world about family history and temple work unless there are experiences and testimonies to reinforce their lessons? Family History Consultants are called to work with any interested ward member -- no matter their age. As a family history consultant, I use the youth temple trips as a date to prepare family files for ward members and myself. I know if the temple trip is approaching and so I start talking to members who might have family files to submit. The youth then use these family files as part of their temple trip. Later their families can use these family files to complete the other ordinances. In the Detroit Temple district, we have many youth temple trips and very few family file baptism trips. If a member signs up to do family file baptisms, they are responsible for providing ALL the priesthood brethren (7 in total) as well. This is one reason that ward members avoid family file baptisms outside the youth temple trips -- it is difficult to have enough priesthood there. These are not temple workers but endowed priesthood brethren. (We are not like the Salt Lake Temple where the baptisms can be done without appointments and without bringing priesthood brethren.) Not every temple district has enough temple workers to fulfill all the staff requirements. There is always a unique challenge for every temple district. We just need to look for ways to serve and build up testimonies -- plus attend the temple as often as possible. According to many articles in the "New Era" magazine, youth are making great strides in FamilySearch Indexing, Extraction projects, and much more. They have been instrumental in helping ward members who do not know computers very well in entering and processing their family information in PAF, TempleReady, and now New FamilySearch. I love the youth and know that they will be instrumental in providing many ordinances in the years ahead for their own ancestors and other people as well. One day these same youth will be serving in callings that may bless my own family. We owe it to them to help them gain testimonies and build up the Church. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple

We work on getting our adult converts to the Temple for baptism shortly after their own baptism. It is proving at least moderately successful in translating into getting them to the Temple for their endowments. (It would take longer time than we've been specifically focusing on it to see if the success is only because we have some special people, or if it pretty much holds over all.) If we had someone that the Home Teachers were successfully reactivating, we'd also encourage this for them as well. Karen In a message dated 6/3/2009 7:41:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rayfrijr@msn.com writes: I agree. While it is sometimes difficult to get enough youth to do baptisms for the dead, it is even more difficult to get the adults to participate. For some reason, adults believe that they got wet once when they were baptised, and they dont like getting wet again doing baptisms for the dead. They also seem to believe that that ordinance is for the youth and youth alone. I've yet to find a way to get them to understand that they are not going to dissolve in the baptismal font if they go with the youth and get wet too. > From: bjackson41@comcast.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 04:27:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] new Family Search guides > > Enough of people having fits over youth participation! > They should be counseling with their stake leaders and their local youth leaders. > Barbi in Manahawkin NJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Miles Meyer > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] new Family Search guides > > > I produced a new set of manuals last month. You can find them at > http://milesmeyer.googlepages.com/lessonmanuals. There are three new > manuals there to look at. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. > > Miles Meyer > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:33 PM, elvin mullen <mullenmission@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I am looking for Sunday School Lessons for New FamilySearch - I checked Miles Meyer and he still has Temple Ready info at the end of his lessons. Perhaps I am missing a new site he has. Thanks > > > > Loretta > > Elk Grove Stake, CA > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd)

Barbi wrote: Enough of people having fits over youth participation! They should be counseling with their stake leaders and their local youth leaders. Aren't we all youth leaders when it comes to this work? We are called to assist in helping members research their families and perform ordinance work. We teach about ordinances, the plan of salvation, temple covenants, worthiness, getting the most out of temple worship, research, indexing, etc. We teach all of the members of the ward in all age groups. When it comes to temple work, we are Relief Society, Priesthood, Primary, and YM/YW leaders! Maybe it's just me, but my callings seem to alternate between FH consultant, YW leader, and Mom of kids doing temple work. I'm sorry if this was thought to be off-topic. Since I consider working with the youth temple trips to be part of my calling, I guess I thought others did, too. I have enjoyed the exchange of ideas and appreciated the input. Jill Crandell

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, RAY FRIESS <rayfrijr@msn.com> wrote: I've yet to find a way to get them to understand that they are not going to dissolve in the baptismal font if they go with the youth and get wet too. Very good point!  Annette

I agree. While it is sometimes difficult to get enough youth to do baptisms for the dead, it is even more difficult to get the adults to participate. For some reason, adults believe that they got wet once when they were baptised, and they dont like getting wet again doing baptisms for the dead. They also seem to believe that that ordinance is for the youth and youth alone. I've yet to find a way to get them to understand that they are not going to dissolve in the baptismal font if they go with the youth and get wet too. > From: bjackson41@comcast.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 04:27:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] new Family Search guides > > Enough of people having fits over youth participation! > They should be counseling with their stake leaders and their local youth leaders. > Barbi in Manahawkin NJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Miles Meyer > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] new Family Search guides > > > I produced a new set of manuals last month. You can find them at > http://milesmeyer.googlepages.com/lessonmanuals. There are three new > manuals there to look at. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. > > Miles Meyer > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:33 PM, elvin mullen <mullenmission@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I am looking for Sunday School Lessons for New FamilySearch - I checked Miles Meyer and he still has Temple Ready info at the end of his lessons. Perhaps I am missing a new site he has. Thanks > > > > Loretta > > Elk Grove Stake, CA > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Enough of people having fits over youth participation! They should be counseling with their stake leaders and their local youth leaders. Barbi in Manahawkin NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Miles Meyer To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] new Family Search guides I produced a new set of manuals last month. You can find them at http://milesmeyer.googlepages.com/lessonmanuals. There are three new manuals there to look at. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Miles Meyer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:33 PM, elvin mullen <mullenmission@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for Sunday School Lessons for New FamilySearch - I checked Miles Meyer and he still has Temple Ready info at the end of his lessons. Perhaps I am missing a new site he has. Thanks > > Loretta > Elk Grove Stake, CA Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message