PJS:  Thank you ... I will see if I can get enough information to get these changes made ... I suspect these incorrect sealing don't bother those on the other side as much as they bother me ... thank you again ... Phoebe ________________________________ From: DORIS BATEMAN <Jenealogist66@msn.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:38:27 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Incorrect sealings Pheobe, I had a grandson sealed to his grandmother, (as a duplication, both had already been sealed to the correct people) and the NFS support people fixed the records.  Took about a month and lots of explanations. Doris Bateman   ----- Original Message -----   From: Jill N. Crandell<mailto:jncrandell@broadweave.net>   To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com>   Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:23 PM   Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Incorrect sealings   Phoebe wrote:   PJS: I have been help to separate some people ... but when there has been a   temple sealing I have been unable to separate the people. And there have   been several cases of a son sealed to his mother as her spouse ... these   can't be changed ... I was hoping there would be some way for this to be   corrected ... probably can't be corrected this side of heaven ...   Phoebe,   I haven't done this in NFS, but I did contact Salt Lake about a situation   prior to NFS. My great uncle was sealed as a spouse to his mother. I   produced the marriage certificate of her to his father, him to his wife, and   his birth record. That sealing no longer exists in the current files. The   Church does not care to perpetuate these kinds of errors, but they need   proof that this is not just your word against someone else's. In this case,   I personally knew the people involved and had all the proof they needed to   delete that sealing from the IGI.   I would suggest sending feedback with proof of the accurate relationships   and see what the response is. It certainly can't hurt, and it could clean up   some of the messes. My other suggestion would be to dispute the relationship   with your sources listed. I was given the impression that at some point the   "powers that be" will be taking a look at the disputes and possibly fixing   these problems. Right now, they have their hands full with programming and   getting all of us on the system, but it wouldn't hurt to be sure that your   family knows about these errors and doesn't perpetuate them.   Best of luck,   Jill Crandell   Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM>   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pheobe, I had a grandson sealed to his grandmother, (as a duplication, both had already been sealed to the correct people) and the NFS support people fixed the records. Took about a month and lots of explanations. Doris Bateman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill N. Crandell<mailto:jncrandell@broadweave.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com<mailto:lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Incorrect sealings Phoebe wrote: PJS: I have been help to separate some people ... but when there has been a temple sealing I have been unable to separate the people. And there have been several cases of a son sealed to his mother as her spouse ... these can't be changed ... I was hoping there would be some way for this to be corrected ... probably can't be corrected this side of heaven ... Phoebe, I haven't done this in NFS, but I did contact Salt Lake about a situation prior to NFS. My great uncle was sealed as a spouse to his mother. I produced the marriage certificate of her to his father, him to his wife, and his birth record. That sealing no longer exists in the current files. The Church does not care to perpetuate these kinds of errors, but they need proof that this is not just your word against someone else's. In this case, I personally knew the people involved and had all the proof they needed to delete that sealing from the IGI. I would suggest sending feedback with proof of the accurate relationships and see what the response is. It certainly can't hurt, and it could clean up some of the messes. My other suggestion would be to dispute the relationship with your sources listed. I was given the impression that at some point the "powers that be" will be taking a look at the disputes and possibly fixing these problems. Right now, they have their hands full with programming and getting all of us on the system, but it wouldn't hurt to be sure that your family knows about these errors and doesn't perpetuate them. Best of luck, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the answer I received from family support on the question of incorrect sealings. I hope you find it as helpful as I did. Penny Holling We appreciate your diligence in maintaining accurate family history records. The sealing for Eric Olsen to Ole Byrnildson and Kirsti Olsdatter is valid because church policy states that sealings of children to parents performed after 1 July 1969 are valid even if a wrong mother's name is given. The word "mother" used in the temple ordinance takes precedence over any name that is given. Therefore, the relationship, at this time, will stay in new FamilySearch. You have put a dispute on his right mother, Marit Olsdatter, which you should remove, and put the dispute on the incorrect mother, Kirsti Olsdatter listing your sources. The sealing to spouse for Ole Byrnildson and Marit Olsdatter can be completed and a dispute put on the incorrect wife. New FamilySearch is consistently being improved to better assist patrons in resolving inaccuracies with their family pedigree. We believe that in the coming months that this sealing to parents will only show as an ordinance and not as a biological link. This may alleviate your concerns as to how this is displayed in new FamilySearch.

Phoebe wrote: PJS:  I have been help to separate some people ... but when there has been a temple sealing I have been unable to separate the people.  And there have been several cases of a son sealed to his mother as her spouse ... these can't be changed ... I was hoping there would be some way for this to be corrected ... probably can't be corrected this side of heaven ... Phoebe, I haven't done this in NFS, but I did contact Salt Lake about a situation prior to NFS. My great uncle was sealed as a spouse to his mother. I produced the marriage certificate of her to his father, him to his wife, and his birth record. That sealing no longer exists in the current files. The Church does not care to perpetuate these kinds of errors, but they need proof that this is not just your word against someone else's. In this case, I personally knew the people involved and had all the proof they needed to delete that sealing from the IGI. I would suggest sending feedback with proof of the accurate relationships and see what the response is. It certainly can't hurt, and it could clean up some of the messes. My other suggestion would be to dispute the relationship with your sources listed. I was given the impression that at some point the "powers that be" will be taking a look at the disputes and possibly fixing these problems. Right now, they have their hands full with programming and getting all of us on the system, but it wouldn't hurt to be sure that your family knows about these errors and doesn't perpetuate them. Best of luck, Jill Crandell

PJS:  Thank you ... I will try it that way. I am sure Salt Lake is overhelmed with things that are happening.  And I suspect it will get real exciting when all of Utah gets on.  I have written and suggested that each temple district has a Temple Data Adminstrator (I am not sure of the exact name right now) than can help solve some of the problems are out there. Thank you again, Phoebe ________________________________ From: Jill N. Crandell <jncrandell@broadweave.net> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 9:23:57 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Incorrect sealings Phoebe wrote: PJS:  I have been help to separate some people ... but when there has been a temple sealing I have been unable to separate the people.  And there have been several cases of a son sealed to his mother as her spouse ... these can't be changed ... I was hoping there would be some way for this to be corrected ... probably can't be corrected this side of heaven ... Phoebe, I haven't done this in NFS, but I did contact Salt Lake about a situation prior to NFS. My great uncle was sealed as a spouse to his mother. I produced the marriage certificate of her to his father, him to his wife, and his birth record. That sealing no longer exists in the current files. The Church does not care to perpetuate these kinds of errors, but they need proof that this is not just your word against someone else's. In this case, I personally knew the people involved and had all the proof they needed to delete that sealing from the IGI. I would suggest sending feedback with proof of the accurate relationships and see what the response is. It certainly can't hurt, and it could clean up some of the messes. My other suggestion would be to dispute the relationship with your sources listed. I was given the impression that at some point the "powers that be" will be taking a look at the disputes and possibly fixing these problems. Right now, they have their hands full with programming and getting all of us on the system, but it wouldn't hurt to be sure that your family knows about these errors and doesn't perpetuate them. Best of luck, Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

just a little. I found one such case just two days ago and resolved it with ease because the temple record didn't mention parents or anyone else so was able to fix it. But we need more information on your case before going any further. David Samuelsen Phoebe Stages wrote: > This subject may have already been discussed, but I missed it ... or flat forgot the discuss. > > I have found sons sealed as a spouse to their mother ... I was wondering if this will ever be corrected on this side of the veil ... it is very frustrating to me to find these incorrect sealings and there isn't anyway to separate the people they don't apply to ... I know an incorrect sealing isn't binding ... > > Thank you, > Phoebe Stages

PJS:  I have been help to separate some people ... but when there has been a temple sealing I have been unable to separate the people.  And there have been several cases of a son sealed to his mother as her spouse ... these can't be changed ... I was hoping there would be some way for this to be corrected ... probably can't be corrected this side of heaven ... Phoebe ________________________________ From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:43:30 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Incorrect sealings just a little. I found one such case just two days ago and resolved it with ease because the temple record didn't mention parents or anyone else so was able to fix it. But we need more information on your case before going any further. David Samuelsen Phoebe Stages wrote: > This subject may have already been discussed, but I missed it ... or flat forgot the discuss.  > > I have found sons sealed as a spouse to their mother ... I was wondering if this will ever be corrected on this side of the veil ... it is very frustrating to me to find these incorrect sealings and there isn't anyway to separate the people they don't apply to ... I know an incorrect sealing isn't binding ... > > Thank you, > Phoebe Stages Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This subject may have already been discussed, but I missed it ... or flat forgot the discuss.  I have found sons sealed as a spouse to their mother ... I was wondering if this will ever be corrected on this side of the veil ... it is very frustrating to me to find these incorrect sealings and there isn't anyway to separate the people they don't apply to ... I know an incorrect sealing isn't binding ... Thank you, Phoebe Stages

I like your train of thought. Frances Swendsen Calgary, Alberta -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shanna Jones Sent: June 6, 2009 10:54 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Waiting until the Millennium I have thought (and this is not doctrine that I have found) that if there is a first resurrection, then there must be a second, and a third, etc. So, if those who have had their temple work are completed can come in the first resurrection, then my ancestor Thomas Griffiths could tell those on earth what his wife's name was and who his parents were, even though I can't find them now. Then work could be done based on as much personal knowledge as all these end of the line guys could tell us. It seems that would be a millennium's worth of work right there. So we probably should get all the work done for all of the records on earth that do exist so we will be ready for the millennium, right? Shanna Jones Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have thought (and this is not doctrine that I have found) that if there is a first resurrection, then there must be a second, and a third, etc. So, if those who have had their temple work are completed can come in the first resurrection, then my ancestor Thomas Griffiths could tell those on earth what his wife's name was and who his parents were, even though I can't find them now. Then work could be done based on as much personal knowledge as all these end of the line guys could tell us. It seems that would be a millennium's worth of work right there. So we probably should get all the work done for all of the records on earth that do exist so we will be ready for the millennium, right? Shanna Jones

To those with trouble printing a list in nFS: I also have the blue error message when preparing a list to print for the temple in nFS. I've affectionately named it Sproink. I've noticed a few things. -If I can get partway through nFS, I save the list before it gets to 50. Usually 20 or so is a safe number. Every time I try for the max, it sproinks. But I can go into the "saved lists" area and print what I saved from there. Sometimes it sproinks just as I try to print, you see. -Go into Family Tree at familysearchlabs.org and bring up the temple list. They just done some more work on that area. Sort it a couple of times on the Ordinance column, etc. I've yet to figure out just how it re-orders ordinances as it sorts, but after I tried it, the names I wanted were closer to the front and I didn't have to go so far when I went back to nFS. They operate off the same data. -Notice the names as you go. If it sproinks on the same name, go back into nFS and see if something needs to be addressed like merging or even unmerging. Differences between how nFS and FT operate: -In nFS I can assign the names to the temple and still go back in and steal one if it doesn't get processed for awhile. Can't do that in FT; assign a name to the Temple there and it's all she wrote. -In FT I would like it to sort by particular ordinances, but it doesn't appear to yet. If I want a listing of available initiatories, I'd like to find it quickly. -In FT it appears that a couple have been selected twice. Don't know how that happened. Any way to de-select yet? Otherwise the duplicated names are submissions for different ordinances (baptism, endowment, sealing to parents, sealing to spouse) and no reason for panic. -In FT the submission date is listed, as is the code. That is useful. Not all functions are working completely in FT yet. I understand that they are working on lessons and helps for it. It's like it should bear the tee shirt message about "Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet." I personally will have a tough adjustment when it's required. It took me awhile to get used to nFS, but now I love the dear old thing, sproinks and all. Jerry in Boise

My first thought to Nancy's comment is how obedient are we going to be? Isn't that why were are here? We have been counseled by the Prophets for generations that we should be doing our family history. Just like having our years supply, 72 hour kit, etc. Are we going to be obedient and do those things that w have been counseled to do? By the way, I am a convert of almost six years, my husband has been a member all his life. Amy Griffin Paulden, AZ > From: jncrandell@broadweave.net > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:35:25 -0600 > Subject: [LDS-WC] Waiting until the Millennium > > Nancy wrote: > My husband who is not a member and I were talking this AM about the > Millennium and all the records being available. He wondered why we couldn't > just wait until then and have all the needed records to complete the > project. > > It's not just non-members who think that way! I've had members say to me > that they're just going to wait until the Millennium when it will be easier. > That philosophy is faulty, so I've developed some doctrinal responses. The > one that usually hits home is the fact that only mortals can perform the > ordinances in the temple. Unless we are present at the time of the Second > Coming and have some time before we are "twinkled," we would deny ourselves > the blessing of standing proxy in those ordinances. I'm not willing to take > that risk. I assume that I will die and be resurrected for the Millennium, > and therefore I want to participate in as many ordinances as I can now. > During the Millennium, I'll do whatever the assignment is for resurrected > beings--teaching, communicating information to temple workers, etc., but I > want to share in actually performing those ordinances for my family. That > work must be done now, and the research to support that work must be done > before the ordinances can be performed. > > Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 178 > "Will resurrected beings during the millennium actually take part in > the endowment work of the temple along with mortal beings? > "The answer to this question is no! That is, they will not assist in > performing the ordinances. Resurrected beings will assist in furnishing > information which is not otherwise available, but mortals will have to do > the ordinance work in the temples." > . . . > "If it were permissible for resurrected persons to come and do work > in the temples, then there would be no reason for us in this mortal life to > act vicariously for them, for they would do it for themselves." > > It's also interesting to note that Elder McConkie said that > resurrected beings would furnish information "which is not otherwise > available." That doesn't sound to me like the research will be easier. If it > is available, we have to work for it--whether it's now or in the Millennium. > This is a matter of not procrastinating and getting the job done. Waiting > only causes guilt now, and the effort later isn't going to change. Today is > the day to perform our labors. > > Jill Crandell > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And remember that during the millenium, we'll have the 10 tribes whose records are not currently available to take care of...and there will be plenty of "clean up" work for those who need help because the records weren't available to get people done now (like my 4 gr grandfather whose name only shows up on one record that I've found to date, & his parents aren't listed..he may have been beamed down by Scottie.) It's amazing how so many wild hare ideas get started about genealogy--most of them with the purpose of talking themselves out of having to do any--like only being responsible for work on the priesthood liineage line, or doing it all in the millenium. Karen In a message dated 6/5/2009 1:36:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jncrandell@broadweave.net writes: Nancy wrote: My husband who is not a member and I were talking this AM about the Millennium and all the records being available. He wondered why we couldn't just wait until then and have all the needed records to complete the project. It's not just non-members who think that way! I've had members say to me that they're just going to wait until the Millennium when it will be easier. That philosophy is faulty, so I've developed some doctrinal responses. The one that usually hits home is the fact that only mortals can perform the ordinances in the temple. Unless we are present at the time of the Second Coming and have some time before we are "twinkled," we would deny ourselves the blessing of standing proxy in those ordinances. I'm not willing to take that risk. I assume that I will die and be resurrected for the Millennium, and therefore I want to participate in as many ordinances as I can now. During the Millennium, I'll do whatever the assignment is for resurrected beings--teaching, communicating information to temple workers, etc., but I want to share in actually performing those ordinances for my family. That work must be done now, and the research to support that work must be done before the ordinances can be performed. Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 178 "Will resurrected beings during the millennium actually take part in the endowment work of the temple along with mortal beings? "The answer to this question is no! That is, they will not assist in performing the ordinances. Resurrected beings will assist in furnishing information which is not otherwise available, but mortals will have to do the ordinance work in the temples." . . . "If it were permissible for resurrected persons to come and do work in the temples, then there would be no reason for us in this mortal life to act vicariously for them, for they would do it for themselves." It's also interesting to note that Elder McConkie said that resurrected beings would furnish information "which is not otherwise available." That doesn't sound to me like the research will be easier. If it is available, we have to work for it--whether it's now or in the Millennium. This is a matter of not procrastinating and getting the job done. Waiting only causes guilt now, and the effort later isn't going to change. Today is the day to perform our labors. Jill Crandell Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Mortgage rates drop to record lows. $200,000 for $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree® (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222653866x1201461148/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffrom.as p%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3D28895 60%26esourceid%3D2889560%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2)

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Nancy wrote: My husband who is not a member and I were talking this AM about the Millennium and all the records being available. He wondered why we couldn't just wait until then and have all the needed records to complete the project. It's not just non-members who think that way! I've had members say to me that they're just going to wait until the Millennium when it will be easier. That philosophy is faulty, so I've developed some doctrinal responses. The one that usually hits home is the fact that only mortals can perform the ordinances in the temple. Unless we are present at the time of the Second Coming and have some time before we are "twinkled," we would deny ourselves the blessing of standing proxy in those ordinances. I'm not willing to take that risk. I assume that I will die and be resurrected for the Millennium, and therefore I want to participate in as many ordinances as I can now. During the Millennium, I'll do whatever the assignment is for resurrected beings--teaching, communicating information to temple workers, etc., but I want to share in actually performing those ordinances for my family. That work must be done now, and the research to support that work must be done before the ordinances can be performed. Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 178 "Will resurrected beings during the millennium actually take part in the endowment work of the temple along with mortal beings? "The answer to this question is no! That is, they will not assist in performing the ordinances. Resurrected beings will assist in furnishing information which is not otherwise available, but mortals will have to do the ordinance work in the temples." . . . "If it were permissible for resurrected persons to come and do work in the temples, then there would be no reason for us in this mortal life to act vicariously for them, for they would do it for themselves." It's also interesting to note that Elder McConkie said that resurrected beings would furnish information "which is not otherwise available." That doesn't sound to me like the research will be easier. If it is available, we have to work for it--whether it's now or in the Millennium. This is a matter of not procrastinating and getting the job done. Waiting only causes guilt now, and the effort later isn't going to change. Today is the day to perform our labors. Jill Crandell

Can you adjust the display size? (A larger screen works better with FT.) In the Tree folder of FT you can zoom in and out and make the font larger but I did not see a feature in the Temple folder to do that so you might just have to adjust the display pixels to be less so the font would be larger. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Kelsey Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:59 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Problem with Reserved List of Temple Ordinances I still have my problem with nfs and the FOR's and cannot clear ANY Names for temple work. I guess they are still working on it. They Told me they would call or email when I could work again. I have tried FT this a.m. and find it to be as cumbersome or more so Than nfs. Can you display more than one name at a time on the Ordinance section in FT--also the Window is so small for those of us olders with bad eyesight. It seems to me a simple spreadsheet, i.e. excel could easily put this in order. Just a list of people and you could color it up or fix it much easier Than the things we have in both of these programs. Steve Kelsey Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I guess that you are correct about not being able to choose only part of the ordinance work to be done in FS FamilyTree. It is not a problem for me because I just take the FOR with me to the Temple when I go to the office and have the B&C done for females. Then I do the Int & End myself. For the males, I just leave the card there for the work to be done and move it the days that I work in the office. The problem that the Sister was explaining was that of needing to select an individual without the whole family tagging along. That problem can be solved in FT. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:44 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Problem with Reserved List of Temple Ordinances To all who have concerns for and against nFS and FT "FOR" features. I find FT to be problemic in one aspect - requiring printing of cards for ENTIRE process while nFS allow you to select individually as needed for each ordinance. Like I can select a batch just for baptisms for the youths to do while select another batch of infant sealings (under 8 years old) and another batch for initiatories and NOT have to worry about lost cards. I don't see how it can be done in FT (there isn't!) W. David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen, When you reserve the names but do not ask for the FOR to be printed that day, all of them should print on the same FOR up to 50, I believe. You might try printing them out of FS FamilyTree instead of NFS. I really think that the Temple Reservations and FOR printouts go much more smoothly from FS FamilyTree. It might work to only print off the ones you want in FS FamilyTree instead of NFS also. I was able to print off my Dad's FOR without his brothers going along. Now trying to get his brothers back off the Reserved List is another matter. My understanding is that they are aware of this problem and plan to fix it in FS FamilyTree sometime before the Millennium. My husband who is not a member and I were talking this AM about the Millennium and all the records being available. He wondered why we couldn't just wait until then and have all the needed records to complete the project. I told him that I believed it has to do with the welding link between this world and the next or the earth would be wasted before his coming. I also believe that it is our privilege and responsibility to serve our ancestors by completing their work just because it is part of Heavenly Father's plan. I work in office at the Columbus Temple and when I first started printing off names in NFS, I could not seem to get them all to print on the same sheet either. We just to the best we can and I am sure the Lord understands. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sahara346@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:34 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Problem with Reserved List of Temple Ordinances Only real complaint I've had about the Temple ordinance section so far is that there's a family on the cusp of being open for relatives to do with & without permission (Part of the kids are old enough, part are not). Since the younger ones show up when I tried to print FORS, and I don't know about living relatives in all instances, I can't do them and won't right now until they get a "little older". But I can't print the rest of the family without them coming along. I got a canned answer from Tech support, but can't get the system to do anything else when I only want to take care of the ones who've been here (& gone) for over 110 years right now. Otherwise, the system has worked well for me to clear names and get things printed out. I do know that a frustration in the office at the Temple is that so far, if I clear names, but don't print them the same day, when I go in to print them, they won't all print on the same sheet all the time. On rare occasions, they do. I told the Sister at the Temple that I do try to get them to print on the same sheet, because I know that's easier for them, and less paperwork for me, but it doesn't always work for me to do it that way. But hey, it is much more efficient than having to send them off to Salt Lake and wait for them to come back. Most of the time I love it. And if anybody can figure out to do with the family above to clear the ones that are eligible without bringing the closer ones along, let me know. Karen In a message dated 6/5/2009 7:39:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: I have the same type of message all the time. It usually happens after all the family pages but BEFORE the list of individuals without their families. It is so frustrating to have a FOR in process and then have the entire task aborted. I actually like New FamilySearch better than FamilyTree -- perhaps because it is more familiar to me. The one thing I do not like about NFS is the temple ordinance section. I think that it would be easier if 1. the families showed up alphabetically by the father's surname. 2. patrons could skip to different surnames with a alphabetical tab. 3. patrons could choose to look at families or the individual list. 4. individuals and families with ordinances to be done by the temples should be highlighted differently somehow so that we don't mistakenly choose them (or one of their ordinances) in our family file. (Otherwise, if you choose one of those individuals, it aborts the family file process at the end of the selection session.) 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Only real complaint I've had about the Temple ordinance section so far is that there's a family on the cusp of being open for relatives to do with & without permission (Part of the kids are old enough, part are not). Since the younger ones show up when I tried to print FORS, and I don't know about living relatives in all instances, I can't do them and won't right now until they get a "little older". But I can't print the rest of the family without them coming along. I got a canned answer from Tech support, but can't get the system to do anything else when I only want to take care of the ones who've been here (& gone) for over 110 years right now. Otherwise, the system has worked well for me to clear names and get things printed out. I do know that a frustration in the office at the Temple is that so far, if I clear names, but don't print them the same day, when I go in to print them, they won't all print on the same sheet all the time. On rare occasions, they do. I told the Sister at the Temple that I do try to get them to print on the same sheet, because I know that's easier for them, and less paperwork for me, but it doesn't always work for me to do it that way. But hey, it is much more efficient than having to send them off to Salt Lake and wait for them to come back. Most of the time I love it. And if anybody can figure out to do with the family above to clear the ones that are eligible without bringing the closer ones along, let me know. Karen In a message dated 6/5/2009 7:39:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: I have the same type of message all the time. It usually happens after all the family pages but BEFORE the list of individuals without their families. It is so frustrating to have a FOR in process and then have the entire task aborted. I actually like New FamilySearch better than FamilyTree -- perhaps because it is more familiar to me. The one thing I do not like about NFS is the temple ordinance section. I think that it would be easier if 1. the families showed up alphabetically by the father's surname. 2. patrons could skip to different surnames with a alphabetical tab. 3. patrons could choose to look at families or the individual list. 4. individuals and families with ordinances to be done by the temples should be highlighted differently somehow so that we don't mistakenly choose them (or one of their ordinances) in our family file. (Otherwise, if you choose one of those individuals, it aborts the family file process at the end of the selection session.) I like what the software engineers did to the area showing the "combined" information for a person. Too bad they couldn't do something as wonderful with the temple ordinance section. Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Mortgage rates dropped. Record lows. $200,000 for $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree® (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627882x1201465404/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffrom.a sp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3D2889 570%26esourceid%3D2889570%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2)

I still have my problem with nfs and the FOR's and cannot clear ANY Names for temple work. I guess they are still working on it. They Told me they would call or email when I could work again. I have tried FT this a.m. and find it to be as cumbersome or more so Than nfs. Can you display more than one name at a time on the Ordinance section in FT--also the Window is so small for those of us olders with bad eyesight. It seems to me a simple spreadsheet, i.e. excel could easily put this in order. Just a list of people and you could color it up or fix it much easier Than the things we have in both of these programs. Steve Kelsey