Not according to the rules I received this afternoon. Here's the section about this.... #4 rule Checks invalid name in any piece of a name. If any of the following names appear in any of the pieces of a name, the name is not valid: Living, unknown, unk, body, anan, anonym, anonymous, dead, data, deceased, died, entry, information, his, her, listed, married, misc, name, never, not, no issue, not known, not named, other, record, records, unnamed, yes, no, ancestor, ancester, woman, women, man, men, female, male, live, Mr., Mrs., Miss David Samuelsen amy griffin wrote: > I work at the Mesa, AZ Temple and we have been instructed to use Miss or Mr. when there is no given first name. I have seen this happen a few times. I haven't done it in nFS but some of the cards I have seen came from the Temple. As Carrie stated, as long ass the sex of the child, the parents and the dates are identified, it should go through. > > Amy >

We have always been instructed to never use 'son' or 'daughter'. As long as the sex of the child is entered it will be on a pink or blue card accordingly and should be addressed by 'Miss' or 'Mr.' As someone stated earlier, if son or daughter is used too often it will come up for combining for all of them with that as the name. Male and female should never be used as a first name, either. The sex will also determine that. However, I have had instances where a child was born but the sex was not enter, just that it was stillborn or died shortly after birth. Those are the ones that I have no idea what to do with. Amy > From: nascott@cinci.rr.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:04:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > For clarification, I only used Mrs. Mary Doe as a possible name. Not sure > why you state that NFS does not recognize "Mrs." > > If you have an individual to connect the name to who has sufficient data, > she will be unique because of the other information you have entered. > > > User's Guide to NFS on page 154 actually addresses when a first name is not > known. It says that if you do not know the mother's first name, enter Mrs. > plus her husband's last name or family name. For a child who died before > being named, enter Son or Daughter plus the father's last name or family > name. > > Son or Daughter sounds the same as what the Recorder said only not in > German. This is not a bug that needs any correction in my opinion. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > Samuelsen > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 02:13 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > Mrs. Mary Doe is frowned upon in no uncertain terms. Found out hard way > - the possibilities of more than one "Mrs. Mary Doe" multiple real fast > and nfs doesn't recognize "Mrs." > > nFS nearly classified one of my ancestors Elizabeth Gent as Elizabeth, > with "Gent" listed as a suffix! Gent stands for Gentleman. > > nFS DOES accept given names only if listed as spouses. > > David Samuelsen > > Nancy Scott wrote: > > David, > > > > If I found Mary as a name for a wife, I would put Mrs. Mary Doe. Seems to > > be the same to me for following the record as for the unnamed child. > > > > I think you are making it too difficult. > > > > Nancy Scott > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > > Samuelsen > > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:26 AM > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > > > no can do with Mr or Miss when it come to German records. It's son or > > daughter. Nothing else. And we have been advised, cautioned, warned, and > > adominished about following the record to ensure accuracy. > > > > Those programmers must have not been German enough to know the difference. > > > > David Samuelsen > > > > Megan Smith wrote: > >> Please don't put "unnamed child" in to get around the system - the system > > >> will accept "Mr." or "Miss". When we see "unnamed child" at our Temple, > > we > >> put a note on the cards for the patron the speak with the Recorder. Just > > >> last night I found the death certificate of a baby who lived 5 hours. > She > > > >> was unnamed, and the system took her as "Miss Cardstensen" just fine, so > > it > >> does work and is appropriate. > >> > >> Megan Smith > >> Las Vegas Nevada Temple District > >> > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And I do have a true story to support this naming anomoly, still being done today apparently. Back somewhere between 1991 (hs graduation) and 1996 (when she married) my 3rd daughter got a phone call from someone named Sargent Pike. Since she had also had a few military recruiters calling, trying to talk her into joining one branch of the service or another, I assumed this Sargent Pike was a military recruiter, and I told her that when I called her to the phone. She corrected me, saying that "Sargent" (however it's spelled) was his real name, and he was a member of the Singles ward. Alice Allen Oakhurst Ward Family History Consultant Vancouver WA Stake Portland OR Temple District *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/9/2009 at 5:10 PM Sahara346@aol.com wrote: >I have men in my family tree named Colonel & General (two different >families). They show up in the records with those names as children. >Normally, >of course, those are both military ranks. And I know of a good many >African Americans who give their kids various royal titles as given >names. So we >need to remember when we see a name that what we're most familiar with as >a title, is not always a title. These various names most comonly used as >military or social ranks are not just a recent phenomenon as with Queen >Latifa and Prince, but can be found in historic records as well. > >Karen >

Yes, I did. That's one of the reasons I was so surprised when the nickname came up on the sheet that printed. I went back in and tried again (I have gotten in the habit of not saying "yes it printed," until I look at what printed.) I don't know why it printed out that way, but it did. So we moved on. I figure it this way: I will try to use the most complete name that I can find. If it is only a nick name form of the name that will print out because she's in there several times, or if all I can find is "Mrs. John Doe", or whatever, we'll go with it. I am not one to grab the first thing that crosses the desk, but sometimes it becomes futile to keep looking for more sources that give a different opinion. Or like the sealer that kept pronouncing my Dad's middle name as a totally different name. It was right on the paper, he knows who he is. We do the best that we can within reasonable effort. That's one of the reasons I love the NFS. If after the work is done, we finally find who the person was in their own right, and they were done as Mrs. John Doe, we can put in the correct name. Additional hours don't need to be spent redoing the work. Karen In a message dated 6/9/2009 5:05:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nascott@cinci.rr.com writes: Karen, Did you go into the Summary Menu and select the more formal name to use? I'm not sure if this would affect the FOR but it could. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sahara346@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 05:15 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! Don't ask me why, but one of the ladies I recently did in my family went through NFS with her nickname on the FOR. I had changed it to the more formal given name that she used, but since she also went by a nickname form, that is also in the records. I couldn't get it to switch over to the more formal name to print out, so ended up doing it with the nickname form of the name. She appears both ways in various records and she appears on all my records as the more formal name with the nickname in the notes. But I couldn't get it to switch on the FOR. Sometimes, you just quit and spend the time finding more people than battle the system. I'm sure she knows who she is, even if the system wouldn't cooperate. Karen In a message dated 6/9/2009 2:27:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Don and Dona are titles of honor for those Spanish settlers and colonists in New Mexico. Don and Dona are Lord and Lady in English. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron > cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before > the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. > Somehow the system is clearing those names. > > Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62)

I work at the Mesa, AZ Temple and we have been instructed to use Miss or Mr. when there is no given first name. I have seen this happen a few times. I haven't done it in nFS but some of the cards I have seen came from the Temple. As Carrie stated, as long ass the sex of the child, the parents and the dates are identified, it should go through. Amy > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:24:15 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Unnamed Children > > fine in USA but not in Germany where they do not use that, they use son > or daughter on the record. > > I don't want anyone to think otherwise that the records have not been > discovered. These original records I have seen always mentioned son or > daughter, never "child". > > And all other identifying information are already on the record. > > This has not been a problem with old TempleReady. > > David Samuelsen > > Carrie Taylor wrote: > > > > When I know the sex of the child but not the first name it clears as Miss or > > Mr. Lastname. As long as the parents are named and there is a date and > > place the child is identified. Sincerely, Carrie Taylor in VA > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amy, I agree with you that it will go through and that it may have been instruction that was given in the past. Not sure if you saw the email I posted about an hour ago. The User's Guide to NFS, (May 2009), on page 154 addresses when a first name if not known. It says that if you do not know the mother's first name, enter Mrs. plus her husband's last name or family name. For a child who died before being named, enter Son or Daughter plus the father's last name or family name. Using Son or Daughter does make it more specific, in my opinion, than using Miss and Mr. It also tells the relationship in a simple way that is easy to see. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amy griffin Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 02:20 PM To: LDS Ward Consultants Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Unnamed Children I work at the Mesa, AZ Temple and we have been instructed to use Miss or Mr. when there is no given first name. I have seen this happen a few times. I haven't done it in nFS but some of the cards I have seen came from the Temple. As Carrie stated, as long ass the sex of the child, the parents and the dates are identified, it should go through. Amy > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:24:15 -0600 > From: dsam52@sampubco.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Unnamed Children > > fine in USA but not in Germany where they do not use that, they use son > or daughter on the record. > > I don't want anyone to think otherwise that the records have not been > discovered. These original records I have seen always mentioned son or > daughter, never "child". > > And all other identifying information are already on the record. > > This has not been a problem with old TempleReady. > > David Samuelsen > > Carrie Taylor wrote: > > > > When I know the sex of the child but not the first name it clears as Miss or > > Mr. Lastname. As long as the parents are named and there is a date and > > place the child is identified. Sincerely, Carrie Taylor in VA > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen, Did you go into the Summary Menu and select the more formal name to use? I'm not sure if this would affect the FOR but it could. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sahara346@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 05:15 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! Don't ask me why, but one of the ladies I recently did in my family went through NFS with her nickname on the FOR. I had changed it to the more formal given name that she used, but since she also went by a nickname form, that is also in the records. I couldn't get it to switch over to the more formal name to print out, so ended up doing it with the nickname form of the name. She appears both ways in various records and she appears on all my records as the more formal name with the nickname in the notes. But I couldn't get it to switch on the FOR. Sometimes, you just quit and spend the time finding more people than battle the system. I'm sure she knows who she is, even if the system wouldn't cooperate. Karen In a message dated 6/9/2009 2:27:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Don and Dona are titles of honor for those Spanish settlers and colonists in New Mexico. Don and Dona are Lord and Lady in English. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron > cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before > the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. > Somehow the system is clearing those names. > > Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't ask me why, but one of the ladies I recently did in my family went through NFS with her nickname on the FOR. I had changed it to the more formal given name that she used, but since she also went by a nickname form, that is also in the records. I couldn't get it to switch over to the more formal name to print out, so ended up doing it with the nickname form of the name. She appears both ways in various records and she appears on all my records as the more formal name with the nickname in the notes. But I couldn't get it to switch on the FOR. Sometimes, you just quit and spend the time finding more people than battle the system. I'm sure she knows who she is, even if the system wouldn't cooperate. Karen In a message dated 6/9/2009 2:27:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Don and Dona are titles of honor for those Spanish settlers and colonists in New Mexico. Don and Dona are Lord and Lady in English. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron > cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before > the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. > Somehow the system is clearing those names. > > Michele Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62)

I have men in my family tree named Colonel & General (two different families). They show up in the records with those names as children. Normally, of course, those are both military ranks. And I know of a good many African Americans who give their kids various royal titles as given names. So we need to remember when we see a name that what we're most familiar with as a title, is not always a title. These various names most comonly used as military or social ranks are not just a recent phenomenon as with Queen Latifa and Prince, but can be found in historic records as well. Karen In a message dated 6/9/2009 1:59:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: There are certain and proper ways to list prefixes and suffixes. I find them in nFS and corrected them as I find them. Reverend is not a given name except of a few rare cases. Squire may be a given name but most are not. in nFS, when editing the name, there is a way to correct and display properly the information. W. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron > cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before > the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. > Somehow the system is clearing those names. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/9/2009 11:19:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > Mrs. Mary Doe is frowned upon in no uncertain terms. Found out hard way > - the possibilities of more than one "Mrs. Mary Doe" multiple real fast > and nfs doesn't recognize "Mrs." > > nFS nearly classified one of my ancestors Elizabeth Gent as Elizabeth, > with "Gent" listed as a suffix! Gent stands for Gentleman. > > nFS DOES accept given names only if listed as spouses. > > David Samuelsen Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62)

For clarification, I only used Mrs. Mary Doe as a possible name. Not sure why you state that NFS does not recognize "Mrs." If you have an individual to connect the name to who has sufficient data, she will be unique because of the other information you have entered. User's Guide to NFS on page 154 actually addresses when a first name is not known. It says that if you do not know the mother's first name, enter Mrs. plus her husband's last name or family name. For a child who died before being named, enter Son or Daughter plus the father's last name or family name. Son or Daughter sounds the same as what the Recorder said only not in German. This is not a bug that needs any correction in my opinion. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David Samuelsen Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 02:13 PM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! Mrs. Mary Doe is frowned upon in no uncertain terms. Found out hard way - the possibilities of more than one "Mrs. Mary Doe" multiple real fast and nfs doesn't recognize "Mrs." nFS nearly classified one of my ancestors Elizabeth Gent as Elizabeth, with "Gent" listed as a suffix! Gent stands for Gentleman. nFS DOES accept given names only if listed as spouses. David Samuelsen Nancy Scott wrote: > David, > > If I found Mary as a name for a wife, I would put Mrs. Mary Doe. Seems to > be the same to me for following the record as for the unnamed child. > > I think you are making it too difficult. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > Samuelsen > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:26 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > no can do with Mr or Miss when it come to German records. It's son or > daughter. Nothing else. And we have been advised, cautioned, warned, and > adominished about following the record to ensure accuracy. > > Those programmers must have not been German enough to know the difference. > > David Samuelsen > > Megan Smith wrote: >> Please don't put "unnamed child" in to get around the system - the system >> will accept "Mr." or "Miss". When we see "unnamed child" at our Temple, > we >> put a note on the cards for the patron the speak with the Recorder. Just >> last night I found the death certificate of a baby who lived 5 hours. She > >> was unnamed, and the system took her as "Miss Cardstensen" just fine, so > it >> does work and is appropriate. >> >> Megan Smith >> Las Vegas Nevada Temple District >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This can be a real problem when someone has twins of the same sex who die unnamed Because someone always comes along and merges the two together. My grandmother Had 2 twin brothers who were never named and died right after birth. After so Many people merged them, I finally put twin 1 and twin 2 as titles and that helped Considerably. Steve Kelsey -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amy griffin Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:05 PM To: LDS Ward Consultants Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! We have always been instructed to never use 'son' or 'daughter'. As long as the sex of the child is entered it will be on a pink or blue card accordingly and should be addressed by 'Miss' or 'Mr.' As someone stated earlier, if son or daughter is used too often it will come up for combining for all of them with that as the name. Male and female should never be used as a first name, either. The sex will also determine that. However, I have had instances where a child was born but the sex was not enter, just that it was stillborn or died shortly after birth. Those are the ones that I have no idea what to do with. Amy > From: nascott@cinci.rr.com > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:04:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > For clarification, I only used Mrs. Mary Doe as a possible name. Not sure > why you state that NFS does not recognize "Mrs." > > If you have an individual to connect the name to who has sufficient data, > she will be unique because of the other information you have entered. > > > User's Guide to NFS on page 154 actually addresses when a first name is not > known. It says that if you do not know the mother's first name, enter Mrs. > plus her husband's last name or family name. For a child who died before > being named, enter Son or Daughter plus the father's last name or family > name. > > Son or Daughter sounds the same as what the Recorder said only not in > German. This is not a bug that needs any correction in my opinion. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > Samuelsen > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 02:13 PM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > Mrs. Mary Doe is frowned upon in no uncertain terms. Found out hard way > - the possibilities of more than one "Mrs. Mary Doe" multiple real fast > and nfs doesn't recognize "Mrs." > > nFS nearly classified one of my ancestors Elizabeth Gent as Elizabeth, > with "Gent" listed as a suffix! Gent stands for Gentleman. > > nFS DOES accept given names only if listed as spouses. > > David Samuelsen > > Nancy Scott wrote: > > David, > > > > If I found Mary as a name for a wife, I would put Mrs. Mary Doe. Seems to > > be the same to me for following the record as for the unnamed child. > > > > I think you are making it too difficult. > > > > Nancy Scott > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > > Samuelsen > > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:26 AM > > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > > > no can do with Mr or Miss when it come to German records. It's son or > > daughter. Nothing else. And we have been advised, cautioned, warned, and > > adominished about following the record to ensure accuracy. > > > > Those programmers must have not been German enough to know the difference. > > > > David Samuelsen > > > > Megan Smith wrote: > >> Please don't put "unnamed child" in to get around the system - the system > > >> will accept "Mr." or "Miss". When we see "unnamed child" at our Temple, > > we > >> put a note on the cards for the patron the speak with the Recorder. Just > > >> last night I found the death certificate of a baby who lived 5 hours. > She > > > >> was unnamed, and the system took her as "Miss Cardstensen" just fine, so > > it > >> does work and is appropriate. > >> > >> Megan Smith > >> Las Vegas Nevada Temple District > >> > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Search in the Help Center for Document 105243. It states: ordinance category. Close the window. Click Make names available for others to do. A window appears that allows you to select who will provide the proxy: the temple or you. For each ordinance you had selected for others to do, you will see the word "Temple." Click Next Page to see the following pages of names where you selected ordinances to be performed by others or by yourself. Click Done. (Note: If you want to change your mind and do the ordinances yourself, you may click the down arrow, and select Me. Now you can print a Family Ordinance Request and do the ordinances yourself). The names you selected for the temple to do are now in a database, and each week the Temple Department assigns names to specific temples, depending on their needs. The temples will perform the ordinances one at a time. The baptism could be performed in one temple, confirmation in another, initiatory in another, and endowment in another. When a temple pulls the name, the status in your reserved list and also on the LDS Ordinances tab will change to "In Progress," and the other ordinances for that individual will show "On Hold." The names in your reserved list that you assigned for others to do (that are showing as In Progress or On Hold) will not show on your Reprint Family Ordinance Request list. (Note: When you have chosen to do the work yourself, the names that are In Progress will show in the Reprint Family Ordinance Request list). When an ordinance has been performed, your reserved list will show "Completed," and the LDS Ordinances tab will show the date and name of the temple where the ordinance was performed. In the Family Tree Project (at http://labs.familysearch.org/), you will see your own name as the person who reserved the name until the ordinances are completed at the temple. Then you will see the date and name of the temple where the ordinance was performed. ----- Original Message ----- From: JCBrooks@aol.com To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 06:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and helps are not helpful. What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are sitting in my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. (This is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying to send them out to a temple to be completed. These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for duplications....... Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for others to do?? Michele In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to do. I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing FORs for them. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and > then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm the first > one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" on > the baptism. > > Very frustrating. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Sahara346@aol.com writes: > > I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we > don't > do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of see > the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the system. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > JCBrooks@aol.com writes: > > I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his > ancestors > and let the temple do the rest. > > When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do the > work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the ordinance > spots. I click Okay. > > Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show > "reserved" > on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I > can't > get them to go? > > What am I missing? Does "reserved" mean that the temple is working on > them, unless I intervene? > > > Michele > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > JunestepsfooterNO62) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. Somehow the system is clearing those names. Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 11:19:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: Mrs. Mary Doe is frowned upon in no uncertain terms. Found out hard way - the possibilities of more than one "Mrs. Mary Doe" multiple real fast and nfs doesn't recognize "Mrs." nFS nearly classified one of my ancestors Elizabeth Gent as Elizabeth, with "Gent" listed as a suffix! Gent stands for Gentleman. nFS DOES accept given names only if listed as spouses. David Samuelsen Nancy Scott wrote: > David, > > If I found Mary as a name for a wife, I would put Mrs. Mary Doe. Seems to > be the same to me for following the record as for the unnamed child. > > I think you are making it too difficult. > > Nancy Scott > Cincinnati, Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. David > Samuelsen > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:26 AM > To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > > no can do with Mr or Miss when it come to German records. It's son or > daughter. Nothing else. And we have been advised, cautioned, warned, and > adominished about following the record to ensure accuracy. > > Those programmers must have not been German enough to know the difference. > > David Samuelsen > > Megan Smith wrote: >> Please don't put "unnamed child" in to get around the system - the system >> will accept "Mr." or "Miss". When we see "unnamed child" at our Temple, > we >> put a note on the cards for the patron the speak with the Recorder. Just >> last night I found the death certificate of a baby who lived 5 hours. She > >> was unnamed, and the system took her as "Miss Cardstensen" just fine, so > it >> does work and is appropriate. >> >> Megan Smith >> Las Vegas Nevada Temple District >> > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62)

Hooray! Thank you! Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 7:54:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jatwin@comcast.net writes: Search in the Help Center for Document 105243. It states: ordinance category. Close the window. Click Make names available for others to do. A window appears that allows you to select who will provide the proxy: the temple or you. For each ordinance you had selected for others to do, you will see the word "Temple." Click Next Page to see the following pages of names where you selected ordinances to be performed by others or by yourself. Click Done. (Note: If you want to change your mind and do the ordinances yourself, you may click the down arrow, and select Me. Now you can print a Family Ordinance Request and do the ordinances yourself). The names you selected for the temple to do are now in a database, and each week the Temple Department assigns names to specific temples, depending on their needs. The temples will perform the ordinances one at a time. The baptism could be performed in one temple, confirmation in another, initiatory in another, and endowment in another. When a temple pulls the name, the status in your reserved list and also on the LDS Ordinances tab will change to "In Progress," and the other ordinances for that individual will show "On Hold." The names in your reserved list that you assigned for others to do (that are showing as In Progress or On Hold) will not show on your Reprint Family Ordinance Request list. (Note: When you have chosen to do the work yourself, the names that are In Progress will show in the Reprint Family Ordinance Request list). When an ordinance has been performed, your reserved list will show "Completed," and the LDS Ordinances tab will show the date and name of the temple where the ordinance was performed. In the Family Tree Project (at http://labs.familysearch.org/), you will see your own name as the person who reserved the name until the ordinances are completed at the temple. Then you will see the date and name of the temple where the ordinance was performed. ----- Original Message ----- From: JCBrooks@aol.com To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 06:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and helps are not helpful. What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are sitting in my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. (This is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying to send them out to a temple to be completed. These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for duplications....... Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for others to do?? Michele In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to do. I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing FORs for them. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and > then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm the first > one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" on > the baptism. > > Very frustrating. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Sahara346@aol.com writes: > > I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we > don't > do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of see > the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the system. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > JCBrooks@aol.com writes: > > I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his > ancestors > and let the temple do the rest. > > When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do the > work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the ordinance > spots. I click Okay. > > Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show > "reserved" > on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I > can't > get them to go? > > What am I missing? 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Perfect! Thank you. I will try this out. Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 7:34:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mscscott28@yahoo.com writes: I have used the temple file submissions a lot -- especially since my family file is large enough already. I particularly like submitting male names for individual ordinances through temple file. I save the sealings sometimes for my family file. In the two years of using New FamilySearch, this is what I have learned. (I will write this as simply as I can and try to help those on the list who are not familiar with the ordinance process.) As I find a family or add/edit information for a family, I notice if anyone needs temple ordinances. If many family members have already had their ordinances done, I concentrate on the other family members who still need their ordinances completed. It is important to seek out duplications, etc. for these missing ordinances because they might actually be completed already. I then choose the flashing arrow temple icon for the family (sometimes the individual in the lds ordinance section) and have two choices: "Assign ordinances to others" or "I will do the ordinances". (Wording might not be exact.) If I choose "assign ordinances to others", I can choose which ordinances I will do and which I want the temple to do. Sometimes I can handle a certain ordinance better than another one. For instance, baptisms and confirmations if our ward is having a youth temple trip. Sometimes I choose to have the temple file responsible for all the ordinances. After I make those selections, I will choose the "temple ordinance" tab at the top of the screen. Then I pick the last selection which has a heading "Make Names Available for Others to Do". I then go through the list which includes my family file entries. As I go through the lists, I determine if I want to keep a name in family file ("Me") or add it to the temple file ("Temple"). The family file entries will be blank if I have already processed the information through an FOR. If they are still available, they will have "ME" in the field. The ones that I have already released for Temple File, will have "Temple" in the field. I make the changes as I go through the information. Later, I can go back and switch the "Temple" back to "Me" if I want to do so. It is important to note that I cannot see which names are in Temple File from the other submission section: "Select Individuals or Families from my Reserved List". If I choose a person whose ordinances are supposed to be done in temple file, it will cause problems at the final steps of the FOR process. For me, I have learned to go into the "Make Names Available for Others to Do" BEFORE I create an FOR for family file. This is just me, perhaps, but it is a lot easier to print off the page for a family as I get the information ready the way I want it. I can then know for certain that the ordinances I choose for family files will be available for family file. As for the temple file submissions, it doesn't always happen right away. Sometimes I check later in the day or the next day. The work is marked "in process" -- sometimes for all the available ordinances or perhaps only for the first missing ordinance. As a person's ordinances are completed, their name is dropped off of the reserve list. They will remain on the list as long as an ordinance is missing. (So a patron can change the field from "temple" back to "me" if the ordinance(s) remains available. NFS is more flexible in these steps than FamilyTree.) One day I found a child who needed to be sealed to their parents. I cleared the name for the temple file and later that day she was sealed to her parents. It made me happy that the missing sealing ordinance was completed within hours. I live in Michigan and the sealing was done in California. What a great blessing NFS is for all of us! One final thought: if we are submitting information to help other ward members or family members, we should sign on as their helper. This helps the information we add to be credited to the proper submitter. It will say that a fact's contact is "so-and_so" and list their email address. The helper is listed with the tag "submitted by:". Mary Scott Northville Ward Westland Michigan Stake Detroit Michigan Temple Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62)

Is there no way to do it or instructions to do it on NFS? Seems odd. Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 6:22:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nascott@cinci.rr.com writes: Michele, I believe that this is an instance where looking at the information in Family Tree instead of NFS is helpful. There is a drop down box so you can select yourself or the temple. I have an ancestor that is assigned to the temple but the work is not yet completed and so it still shows up in my Temple list in Family Tree. I like the idea that the individual remains on the list until the work is completed. That way you know whether progress is being made or not. In my opinion, this is not a bug but a feature. Nancy Scott Cincinnati, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JCBrooks@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 03:32 AM To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do I am doing this for a patron using his sign on. Can you help me find a tutorial? Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 12:18:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: you are saying you did for a patron?? Then you should use "Helping Other" feature when you log in yourself then log the patron's info in. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the > names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and > helps are not helpful. > > What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to > others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are sitting in > my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the > temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. (This > is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) > > I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying > to send them out to a temple to be completed. > > These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for > duplications....... > > Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for > others to do?? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to do. > > I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing > FORs for them. > > David Samuelsen > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and >> then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm > the first >> one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" > on >> the baptism. >> >> Very frustrating. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> Sahara346@aol.com writes: >> >> I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we >> don't >> do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of > see >> the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the > system. >> Karen >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> JCBrooks@aol.com writes: >> >> I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his >> ancestors >> and let the temple do the rest. >> >> When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do > the >> work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the > ordinance >> spots. I click Okay. >> >> Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show >> "reserved" >> on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I >> can't >> get them to go? >> >> What am I missing? Does "reserved" mean that the temple is working > on >> them, unless I intervene? >> >> >> Michele >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Agree. And this is helpful to temple workers/patrons who receive the printed name slips as well. Sometimes the name slips with just a last name are confusing to some patrons. They are instructed to use Miss/Mrs/Mr as appropriate. Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 6:17:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, msgen@earthlink.net writes: Please don't put "unnamed child" in to get around the system - the system will accept "Mr." or "Miss". When we see "unnamed child" at our Temple, we put a note on the cards for the patron the speak with the Recorder. Just last night I found the death certificate of a baby who lived 5 hours. She was unnamed, and the system took her as "Miss Cardstensen" just fine, so it does work and is appropriate. Megan Smith Las Vegas Nevada Temple District ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Todeschini" <jorgetodeschini@hotmail.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > This is very interesting. Once I found a _civil_ birth record, which > detailed the names of parents and grandparents with their origins... But > the > newborn was not named! I assume this happened because the boy would only > get > a name at baptism -- and he was baptized only a few days later. > > Brother Samuelsen, may I suggest you enter "unnamed child" as a name -- > only > to get around the system. > > Of course, if my suggestion becomes standard practice, the system may > start > suggesting that all the "unnamed children" be merged together. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:10 AM > To: "LDS Ward Consultant" <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [LDS-WC] Rejected un-named children! > >> What I sent to Feedback..... >> >> I am seeing a few rejects because of the program glitch NOT recognizing >> unnamed sons and daughters >> >> "Needs More Information" >> >> Good grief! The only reason they did not get any given name is because >> the families were CATHOLIC. >> >> When a child die BEFORE they get the Catholic baptisms, they do NOT get >> given names, period. >> >> Please fix the glitch so I can seal those "rejected" children in my >> large German Catholic family. >> >> W. David Samuelsen >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62)

Don and Dona are titles of honor for those Spanish settlers and colonists in New Mexico. Don and Dona are Lord and Lady in English. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron > cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before > the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. > Somehow the system is clearing those names. > > Michele

There are certain and proper ways to list prefixes and suffixes. I find them in nFS and corrected them as I find them. Reverend is not a given name except of a few rare cases. Squire may be a given name but most are not. in nFS, when editing the name, there is a way to correct and display properly the information. W. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > Interestingly, at the temple we receive through temple files and patron > cards all the awful combinations that you all have described. Titles before > the given, titles behind the given name, twin, nicknames, you name it. > Somehow the system is clearing those names. > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/9/2009 11:19:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > Mrs. Mary Doe is frowned upon in no uncertain terms. Found out hard way > - the possibilities of more than one "Mrs. Mary Doe" multiple real fast > and nfs doesn't recognize "Mrs." > > nFS nearly classified one of my ancestors Elizabeth Gent as Elizabeth, > with "Gent" listed as a suffix! Gent stands for Gentleman. > > nFS DOES accept given names only if listed as spouses. > > David Samuelsen

-----Original Message----- From: lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lds-ward-consultant-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lds-ward-consultant-request@rootsweb.com Sent: dinsdag 9 juni 2009 11:46 To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Subject: LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 259 Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you prefer the digest version, use a D instead of the L in the request address. Please remember to restrict the size of your post. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Making temple work available for others to do (W. David Samuelsen) 2. Re: Making temple work available for others to do (JCBrooks@aol.com) 3. Re: Making temple work available for others to do (tove) 4. Re: Making temple work available for others to do (JCBrooks@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:01:24 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" <dsam52@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4A2E08C4.7020308@sampubco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed you are saying you did for a patron?? Then you should use "Helping Other" feature when you log in yourself then log the patron's info in. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the > names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and > helps are not helpful. > > What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to > others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are sitting in > my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the > temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. (This > is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) > > I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying > to send them out to a temple to be completed. > > These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for > duplications....... > > Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for > others to do?? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to do. > > I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing > FORs for them. > > David Samuelsen > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and >> then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm > the first >> one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" > on >> the baptism. >> >> Very frustrating. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> Sahara346@aol.com writes: >> >> I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we >> don't >> do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of > see >> the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the > system. >> Karen >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> JCBrooks@aol.com writes: >> >> I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his >> ancestors >> and let the temple do the rest. >> >> When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do > the >> work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the > ordinance >> spots. I click Okay. >> >> Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show >> "reserved" >> on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I >> can't >> get them to go? >> >> What am I missing? Does "reserved" mean that the temple is working > on >> them, unless I intervene? >> >> >> Michele >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 >> easy >> steps! >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir=htt >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >> JunestepsfooterNO62) >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Pacific Daylight Time, dsam52@sampubco.com writes: you are saying you did for a patron?? Then you should use "Helping Other" feature when you log in yourself then log the patron's info in. David Samuelsen JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: > I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the > names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and > helps are not helpful. > > What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to > others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are sitting in > my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the > temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. (This > is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) > > I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying > to send them out to a temple to be completed. > > These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for > duplications....... > > Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for > others to do?? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to do. > > I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing > FORs for them. > > David Samuelsen > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and >> then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm > the first >> one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" > on >> the baptism. >> >> Very frustrating. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> Sahara346@aol.com writes: >> >> I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we >> don't >> do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of > see >> the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the > system. >> Karen >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> JCBrooks@aol.com writes: >> >> I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his >> ancestors >> and let the temple do the rest. >> >> When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do > the >> work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the > ordinance >> spots. I click Okay. >> >> Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show >> "reserved" >> on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I >> can't >> get them to go? >> >> What am I missing? Does "reserved" mean that the temple is working > on >> them, unless I intervene? >> >> >> Michele >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 >> easy >> steps! >> > (http://p r.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir=htt >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >> JunestepsfooterNO62) >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:49:15 -0600 From: "tove" <tovel@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A672D7BB07C74C1AADFF8BC1F8DBEB99@TSEA30X> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have had exactly the same problem you describe. I am sure I assigned the ordinances to the temple but they appeared in my reserve list and then I could not change the designation. When I phoned Support about it, they had me print out the FOR. I then had to take the form to the temple to have them cancel the ordinances and then start all over again. There must be some kind of glitch that makes this happen. There is no need to have them deleted in the temple you can ask the recorder to have the names released (to the temples) so you don't have to do the work all over again! Especially when you tell them there was a problem they are always willing to help! (well we are in the The Hague temple office) Alie from the Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do >I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the > names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and > helps are not helpful. > > What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to > others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are > sitting in > my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the > temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. > (This > is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) > > I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying > to send them out to a temple to be completed. > > These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for > duplications....... > > Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for > others to do?? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to > do. > > I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing > FORs for them. > > David Samuelsen > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and >> then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm > the first >> one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" > on >> the baptism. >> >> Very frustrating. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> Sahara346@aol.com writes: >> >> I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we >> don't >> do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of > see >> the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the > system. >> >> Karen >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> JCBrooks@aol.com writes: >> >> I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his >> ancestors >> and let the temple do the rest. >> >> When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do > the >> work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the > ordinance >> spots. I click Okay. >> >> Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show >> "reserved" >> on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I >> can't >> get them to go? >> >> What am I missing? Does "reserved" mean that the temple is working > on >> them, unless I intervene? >> >> >> Michele >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 >> easy >> steps! >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir=htt >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >> JunestepsfooterNO62) >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322977x1201367197/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > JunestepsfooterNO62) > > Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 05:39:49 EDT From: JCBrooks@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do To: lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c79.5a08ef7a.375f87e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" And when you started all over again......what did you do so they didn't go to the reserved list??? Michele In a message dated 6/9/2009 1:27:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tovel@shaw.ca writes: I have had exactly the same problem you describe. I am sure I assigned the ordinances to the temple but they appeared in my reserve list and then I could not change the designation. When I phoned Support about it, they had me print out the FOR. I then had to take the form to the temple to have them cancel the ordinances and then start all over again. There must be some kind of glitch that makes this happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCBrooks@aol.com> To: <lds-ward-consultant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-WC] Making temple work available for others to do >I don't want to print FORS. I know how to do that. I want to assign the > names to others and I'm having trouble doing it. The online feedback and > helps are not helpful. > > What appears to happen during the submission when I click on "assign to > others" is that after "temple" appears, they are "reserved" and are > sitting in > my file. I don't want them in my file, I want to submit them to the > temple for others to do. Gone, goodbye, go get done, not by me, ever. > (This > is actually for a patron I'm helping who requests this) > > I can't figure out why they wind up in the reserved file when I'm trying > to send them out to a temple to be completed. > > These are new names, introduced by me, double-checked for > duplications....... > > Is there a tutorial on how to submit to the temple assigning the work for > others to do?? > > Michele > > > In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsam52@sampubco.com writes: > > You have to go into "Temple Ordinances" and select the ones you want to > do. > > I send families to there to accumulate up to 50 records before printing > FORs for them. > > David Samuelsen > > JCBrooks@aol.com wrote: >> Not in this case. I search and combine and clear the names in NFS and >> then to submission. They have no other dates or holds on them. I'm > the first >> one. They go to my reserved list instead of just showing "in progress" > on >> the baptism. >> >> Very frustrating. >> >> Michele >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 4:47:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> Sahara346@aol.com writes: >> >> I think it's a signal that "this name has been submitted", so that we >> don't >> do it again, or have a distant relative that we aren't even aware of > see >> the name and thing it needs to be done when actually it IS in the > system. >> >> Karen >> >> >> In a message dated 6/8/2009 12:46:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> JCBrooks@aol.com writes: >> >> I am helping a brother who only wants to do work for a few of his >> ancestors >> and let the temple do the rest. >> >> When I get to the page on submission where I choose to let others do > the >> work, I click that. A page comes up with "Temple" in all the > ordinance >> spots. I click Okay. >> >> Why are these names on the reserved list? And why do they show >> "reserved" >> on the family page? And when I try to send them to the temple, I >> can't >> get them to go? >> >> What am I missing? Does "reserved" mean that the temple is working > on >> them, unless I intervene? >> >> >> Michele >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 >> easy >> steps! >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585043x1201462775/aol?redir=htt >> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >> JunestepsfooterNO62) >> >> Please send the one word message SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LDS-WARD-CONSULTANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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